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The Droid Charge is coming up on its first birthday, and having been a day 1 adopter I've seen the phone through some downs and ups. Like many committed to this phone, I was very tempted by next generation 4G devices like the RARZ, Rezound, or Nexus. I've been disappointed with Samsung's lack of cooperation on code critical to ROM development. I've watched new phones quickly released pushing the Charge further into history.
However, i'm writing this to acknowledge what is great about this device and why you should be happy to get or have one.
Firstly, the hardware. While the Charge has only a single core and 512 memory, the shortcomings really end there. It's Super AMOLED+ screen is by far one of - if not THE most perfect display on a mobile device that i've seen and I believe it equal or superior to any of the Verizon 4G devices. It's form factor and physical buttons are pleasant to use, and it's weight feels good in a hand or pocket. Its connectivity options and accessories are top notch with full MicroSD, HDMI, and horizontal docking stations with backup battery chargers. It packs the superior Audio chips that have drawn audiophiles to the phone. It's battery life has with recent software updates become perfectly adequate: I regularly get 12-15 hours of genuinely moderate use including 45-60 minutes of calls, 2-3 hours of web browsing, and 1 hour of bluetooth music streaming on a single charge. (Caveat: frequently on WiFi, while on 4G only battery lasts more like 8 hours). However with a cheap, replaceable battery which fits in my slim wallet as easily as 4 folded $20 bills, I easily do whatever I want as long as I want so long as I can charge while sleeping.
Secondly, the software: yes, it's come a long way. Those of us who remember rooting ED1 and hoping for a voodoo lagfix back in June know how bad it was - the color scheme, the RFS file system, the terrible browsing. However, as of today on Eclipse ROM 2.0 (FP1 based) the phone performs beautifully with no lag on home screens, snappy browsing, and an attractive, feature rich interface.
Lastly, and probably most importantly, is the Value. The Charge is the best phone dollar for dollar that you can buy today. Commonly available on craigslist for $120 used with a $20 docking station from Ebay you can have a great setup for less than the cost of buying other phones with contract. I was recently in a position to upgrade to a Galaxy nexus for $350 (from ebay, selling charge for $120 for a net cost around $200) and thought to myself, why? are small advances in CPU and memory that affect me little on a daily worth $200? and the answer was clearly: no. Can i get a better gingerbread experience with longer battery life on the Razr Maxx? For $400 net cost maybe, but only slightly, and with nearly equivalent battery life so long as you plan ahead. And what if you drop the phone on the ground and shatter it? You could have a new Droid Charge for less than the deductible if you carried insurance, which could save you $10/mo - or $400ish if you had a shiny nexus or Maxx with no policy.
And so, that's my opinion as a Droid Charge early adopter. If you're thinking of getting one today you'll luck out and have a great experience - head over to the forums and read the stickies on ODIN, CWM, and then get a FP1 based ROM right away. If you're thinking of jumping ship, and $200 is at all consequential to your life, consider what you get from another phone in your overall value decision.
Good luck!
I agree with this. Using the phone can get frustrating at times, especially for those who have the static problems (get a replacement!!!), but in the end it's the price we pay for getting the first gen 4g and locking in unlimited data.
Amen!
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first gen 4g and locking in unlimited data.
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I forgot to mention that's why I went with the Charge in the first place - in May 2011 we didnt know if there would be any new phones like the Nexus or Razr before unlimited data would go away.
Great post.
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Great post.
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+1! Actually agree with this 100%.
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first gen 4g and locking in unlimited data.
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Yeah but when you go to upgrade you have to sign a new 2 year contract and unlimited will not be an option. Only way to stay locked in to unlimited data is by buying phone @ retail price
But I agree with this post and will wait till a new nexus comes out..Which prob wont come out till end of this year or begging of next year...
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Yeah but when you go to upgrade you have to sign a new 2 year contract and unlimited will not be an option. Only way to stay locked in to unlimited data is by buying phone @ retail price
But I agree with this post and will wait till a new nexus comes out..Which prob wont come out till end of this year or begging of next year...
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Not true. I upgraded in September from my old Blackberry w/ unlimited data. I got to keep my unlimited data, and my brother (new line) got tiered. I hear Verizon has a good reputation of honoring contract extensions by keeping past low prices on existing contracts and from people whose cheap carriers were bought by Verizon.
Wrong. I will be renewing my contract therefore locking in unlimited.
I upgraded my wife's incredible to the rezound and still have unlimited data. During the upgrade we got the upgrade price of 199 at the time before 49 came around. Not worried about the cost since teh wife is happy.
Not one customer service rep has said I will lose my unlimited data for upgrading my phone when the time comes around. My data will even carry over to a new plan if I want a new plan. Whoever is telling you all that you are going to lose your unlimited data plan is hog wash.
Funny thing was, my wife was 9 months out from upgrading to a new phone, but the incredible turned to garbage after a year of good use. They gave us the deal without hesitating. So, if your phone is going belly up and you need something reliable and new big red may help you out as well.
Never hurts to ask.
Need help? http://www.toms-world.org/android/ flash to EP4D, make ClockworkMod Recovery stick, step by step root. Best step by step instructions for the Droid Charge.
Yea, I've already verified with Verizon that the data plan is tied to the individual customer and as long as you don't change your data plan, you can carry it with you and not change anything. I just combined my line onto a new family plan, under someone else's name, and my data didn't change. They still have their 4GB double data, and I still have my unlimited data.
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Yea, I've already verified with Verizon that the data plan is tied to the individual customer and as long as you don't change your data plan, you can carry it with you and not change anything. I just combined my line onto a new family plan, under someone else's name, and my data didn't change. They still have their 4GB double data, and I still have my unlimited data.
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So if i split my line off my family plan i should be able to keep the data?
I am a perfect example of this scenario. I had the Fascinate for about a year, and just couldn't stop thinking about how much I wanted a 4G phone and bigger screen. A little over a month ago, I decided to upgrade. All of the BIG 3 phones (razr, rezound, nexus) were available on ebay or craigslist, but I went with The Droid Charge. Got mine for $125 on ebay, bought a car dock for $20, flashed Eclipse and FP1 radio (haven't gotten around to Eclipse 2.0 yet and FP1 kernel), and I could not be happier. I have not even thought about another device, and the phone is stable, quick and of course the screen is fantastic. I agree, the Charge is a great value on the phone market right now.
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So if i split my line off my family plan i should be able to keep the data?
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From my understanding, yes, as long as the service is uninterrupted.
I kind of hate these owner-justification threads, because this phone is undeniably dated at this point... yet there's nothing wrong with that. Technology moves quickly. That's just how it is.
The Galaxy Nexus is noticeably much faster in daily use, and you're deluding yourself (and/or haven't used one) if you insist otherwise.... but it should be faster! It's newer. Yet in a year, you can be sure it too will start looking outdated. Once again, technology moves fast.
Finally: if you're buying a phone off-contract and need to save money, sure, consider the Charge, because yeah, you can get it pretty cheap. But the reality is that the overwhelming majority of people buy phones on-contract, and getting this in that scenario -- when you can get a much newer and all-around better phone like the Lucid (now *that* is a good value) for less money -- would be a definite mistake.
Just rooted and loaded Eclipse 2.0. Phone is better than ever.
I had been considering picking up a new phone but I am glad that I gave the Charge another shot.
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Yeah but when you go to upgrade you have to sign a new 2 year contract and unlimited will not be an option. Only way to stay locked in to unlimited data is by buying phone @ retail price
But I agree with this post and will wait till a new nexus comes out..Which prob wont come out till end of this year or begging of next year...
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This is wrong. When you upgrade you still can keep your unlimited data. I verified this with Verizon.
As for the main post by cmdrfrog. I agree 100% with what he wrote. My contact is up in September and I was thinking of upgrading to the Galaxy Nexus but after flashing my Charge with the Tweaked v2.0 rom by dwitherell. I really don't see any reason to upgrade currently with the exception of having the latest and greatest and better rom support.
I gotta say that the Charge more or less forced me into the geeky root, rom, mod, script, theme, radio, etc flashing thing. If the Charge didn't suck so much stock, I likely wouldn't have much of an Android skillset today.
Once tricked out properly, the Charge is a great phone. The VIA baseband is sub-par IMO, but for some people it seems fine.
I remember when there were rumors of Verizon dropping unlimited. The Charge was my first smartphone. I was compelled to get a 4G phone just in case Verizon wouldn't let you upgrade a 3G device and still let you keep unlimited in the future, and just 5 weeks later, Verizon dropped unlimited. At the time it was the Charge or the Thunderbolt, and I am glad I didn't get the Thunderbolt...
I remember when I first had an Odin flash fail, I think my heart skipped a couple beats.
The Charge has drawbacks, no doubt about it, but it is still an awesome phone. I think most people would be happy with it waiting for something like the GS3.
Newb here, but thought I'd chime in. Before rooting, my Charge was slow, and laggy (is that a word?). After taking the plunge, and rooting with Tweakstock, the phone runs great! I agree that is a little dated now, but my rooted Charge will keep me happy til my next upgrade.
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I gotta say that the Charge more or less forced me into the geeky root, rom, mod, script, theme, radio, etc flashing thing. If the Charge didn't suck so much stock, I likely wouldn't have much of an Android skillset today.
Once tricked out properly, the Charge is a great phone. The VIA baseband is sub-par IMO, but for some people it seems fine.
I remember when there were rumors of Verizon dropping unlimited. The Charge was my first smartphone. I was compelled to get a 4G phone just in case Verizon wouldn't let you upgrade a 3G device and still let you keep unlimited in the future, and just 5 weeks later, Verizon dropped unlimited. At the time it was the Charge or the Thunderbolt, and I am glad I didn't get the Thunderbolt...
I remember when I first had an Odin flash fail, I think my heart skipped a couple beats.
The Charge has drawbacks, no doubt about it, but it is still an awesome phone. I think most people would be happy with it waiting for something like the GS3.
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Way to think positive! That is really a good point though. The phone was so terrible when it came out I thought I had faulty hardware and went back to the store for a replacement. When I realized I was just stuck with the phone the way it was, I joined XDA and started tweaking. I never would have learned so much about rooting, scripts, themes, even the Linux shell. Now, the phone works beautifully (though finally getting a device that came out a year ago into working order is unacceptably late). I will be holding on to this one for a while.
I specifically asked the salesman at TMobile about the GS3 because if it was to come out soon, I would wait for it. he said it would not be until fall or winter. I believed him and opted to not wait and got the One-S for my upgrade/2 yr renewal. That was 2 weeks ago. I had an issue with the phone (lock screen would not unlock, Maps was all pixelated, random apps not working..) and got a replacement. I am still not completely satisfied with the phone (maybe I was just used to my previous phone, GalaxyS, but some apps I use on a regular basis do not work the same on the One-S) and now I hear that the GS3 is hitting TMobile in a few weeks. Is there any chance I can call and complain about the issues with my One-S and get the GS3 to replace it when it comes out? I loved my Galaxy S and opted for the One-S instead of the GS2 due to it having ICS, but really want to go o the GS3 if it will be available in a few weeks. Is TMobile going to tell me to screw myself?
the S3 is in stores everywhere from tomorrow here in Italy and Austria. (29.05.12).
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If like phone, keep phone.
If not like phone, don't.
Same here I would love to know this.
Return in the first 14 days, and can't remember if that charges a restocking fee. 30 days for exchange and whatnots. Gs3 coming on June 20 and the day you bought the phone counts as day 1.
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When you exchange for a different phone its 50 bucks restocking fee
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I have not seen anything that proves the SG3 will come to the U.S. before the fall. There are only rumors that it will come in the next few weeks. It still has yet to be approved by the feds... so I'll say the Aug/Sept time frame is reasonable.
As the other members have stated you do have a 14 day return policy (if purchased at a corp T-Mobile location) with a $50 restocking fee. It is highly unlikely that if you are out of your return period that they will replace it with a SG3. I would sell the One if you really want the SG3 after I get an unlock code for it, and pay full retail for the SG3, or I'd add a line and get the SG3 at a discount, toss the line to a family member make a lil profit off of it, or simply pay the 200 etf and say 199.99 off the cost of full retail for the device.
Just my 2 cents.
Noone's mentioned this yet, but I'd be wondering why anyone with a One S would be wanting to switch to the behemoth that is the SGS3.
One of the greatest selling points of this phone besides its speed is its size. It's 4.3 inches, and is PERFECT at this smaller size. OP -- if you get an SGS3, remember that youre getting yourself into a device that has a 4.8 inch screen, and STILL has capacitive buttons. It'll be an absolute giant. One-handed operation will not be possible for most.
Just food for thought....
After having this phoen for a while there is no other phone I would trade this for I had the gs2 and the 4.65 in screen was to big for me and I have big hands. And development for this phone is really starting to boom
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I had the same concern and asked but like mentioned above they will charge you for the restocking fee if your over the standard trial period, new customers is 14 days and customers over 5 years get 20 day which is cheap if you ask me if you've been there over that you should get 30 at least.
I'm torn myself and long story short a friend got the One S and now he's looking at ATT for the Note the only way this was going to work was buying in with the Buy-1-Get-1 free deal and selling one to get the money to get the SGS3 when it gets here.
I also put a few (the wife has no clue) bucks aside just in case because that's going to be one hell of a rainy day in the US when it does arrive.
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After having this phoen for a while there is no other phone I would trade this for I had the gs2 and the 4.65 in screen was to big for me and I have big hands. And development for this phone is really starting to boom
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Im pushing for the S3... I love the One S but........
With my provider, Vodafone UK, I cannot get a strong signal in any HTC phone, I had this exact issue with my last phone, The Sensation, I sent it for repair but they couldnt find a fault, I kicked up a fuss and they offered to give me the One S free of charge.
However i have the same issue with this phone, Ive sent that for repair too, Its due back tomorrow so i will see what they say in the notes.
If they find no fault im left with this device that has weak signal, some places it has 0 signal... I refuse to keep it for the next 13.5 months so im gonna push for an S3, Ive never had signal issues with any other phone other than HTC, I know its not HTC at fault either as this is a common issue with Vodafone & HTC devices, I dont know how this is possible but it is..
So it looks like the only other phone, Thats equal / better than the One S is the S3.. So lets see how things go.
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Im pushing for the S3... I love the One S but........
With my provider, Vodafone UK, I cannot get a strong signal in any HTC phone, I had this exact issue with my last phone, The Sensation, I sent it for repair but they couldnt find a fault, I kicked up a fuss and they offered to give me the One S free of charge.
However i have the same issue with this phone, Ive sent that for repair too, Its due back tomorrow so i will see what they say in the notes.
If they find no fault im left with this device that has weak signal, some places it has 0 signal... I refuse to keep it for the next 13.5 months so im gonna push for an S3, Ive never had signal issues with any other phone other than HTC, I know its not HTC at fault either as this is a common issue with Vodafone & HTC devices, I dont know how this is possible but it is..
So it looks like the only other phone, Thats equal / better than the One S is the S3.. So lets see how things go.
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Totally hear you. I had this issue on my Galaxy S 2. I actually barely got a discount on my One S because the 3 months I owned the GS2 it simply could not get a decent signal, even compared to my Vibrant. I almost paid the $200 fee and switched carries as it was simply unbareable. Of course my wife's GS2 not as bad as my GS2 but wasn't close to the One S but it just sucks when a phone has awesome specs but fails to do the most important thing well.
If the GS3 build design is anything like the cheap feeling GS2 and GS1 for that matter... count me out.
Yes ! Samsung's biggest failure is Build quality other than that i cannot complain, Except TW, but that would be gone in a flash (pun intended!)
Saying that, Every phone ive had has always had a case on, to add that extra protection, even on the HTC's ive had cases, even tho they are not needed. So i guess a case would hide the cheap plasticky feel...... If it has it of course !
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/atandt-atrix-hd-priced-at-99-coming-july-15/
So not only is our phone being pushed aside by a new phone that does not completely reign above it in tech specs, but it's coming out this Sunday for $99.....
I'm hitting them by never giving them my business or recommending them to any of my clients. I own a small delivery company and have a PC sales and repair business on the side.so I talk to alot of people during the day and get asked for my opinion on phones often.
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Just go buy the SGS 3 I promise you will be so much happier... go sell your A2 on Ebay for 200 while you still can (before the next atrix HD is out), and put that toward an SGS 3 off contract....
It will stick to moto, by not buying another phone from them, and make you much happier... I promise the SGS 3 is not like anyother Galaxy yet. It it sturdy and does not feel cheap, and I am getting about 20 hours of heavy use on the battery before a charge. I am putting it on the charger every night at bedtime, and it still has about 35-40% left on it... so...
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Just go buy the SGS 3 I promise you will be so much happier... go sell your A2 on Ebay for 200 while you still can (before the next atrix HD is out), and put that toward an SGS 3 off contract....
It will stick to moto, by not buying another phone from them, and make you much happier... I promise the SGS 3 is not like anyother Galaxy yet. It it sturdy and does not feel cheap, and I am getting about 20 hours of heavy use on the battery before a charge. I am putting on the charger every night at bedtime, and it still has about 35-40% left on it... so...
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I have always gotten a feeling of cheaply made hardware from Samsung, though (including the Galaxy S3 as I played with one in-depth at an AT&T store recently). Also, my full upgrade eligibility date is around the end of September which isn't all that far off...plus if I upgrade through Best Buy Mobile before the end of the year they'll give me a $50 gift card on the spot for doing so (they had a promo earlier in the year that you could sign up for).
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I have always gotten a feeling of cheaply made hardware from Samsung, though (including the Galaxy S3 as I played with one in-depth at an AT&T store recently). Also, my full upgrade eligibility date is around the end of September which isn't all that far off...plus if I upgrade through Best Buy Mobile before the end of the year they'll give me a $50 gift card on the spot for doing so (they had a promo earlier in the year that you could sign up for).
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I have always thought the same thing about Samsung Galaxy hardware, but this is the first one that I have not thought that about, and it is really a HUGE step forward for hardware in a phone. It has LTE, NFC, HD display a dual core 1.5 GHZ CPU that can overclock stable to 1.9 GHZ, and it is butter smooth even with out JB on it... so when JB comes with CM 10, it will be just crazy!!! And the Dev support is nothing short of amazing, and it has only been in peoples hands a little less than a month.
Just like with the A2 I can't say enough good things about it. Don't discount it, I promise it will not disappoint, and it does not have ANYTHING locked down.
When you come up for your upgrade in sept. think about it, and give it a shot.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/atandt-atrix-hd-priced-at-99-coming-july-15/
So not only is our phone being pushed aside by a new phone that does not completely reign above it in tech specs, but it's coming out this Sunday for $99.....
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it actually reminds me of the crap M$ pulled with the Zune...
Yes, I bought a Gen2 Zune back then because I am anti-Apple...before Android was a thing... and M$ pushed it aside and made the Zune HD, with little to no support or upgrades on the original two generations and their loyal buyers.
OOPS, WE SCREWED THAT ONE UP, LETS START OVER. You just know behind the scenes there are ****ty programmers and even ****tier managers making poor decisions.
If I had the money, the Nexus would be my choice, but I have kids to feed.
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I have always thought the same thing about Samsung Galaxy hardware, but this is the first one that I have not thought that about, and it is really a HUGE step forward for hardware in a phone. It has LTE, NFC, HD display a dual core 1.5 GHZ CPU that can overclock stable to 1.9 GHZ, and it is butter smooth even with out JB on it... so when JB comes with CM 10, it will be just crazy!!! And the Dev support is nothing short of amazing, and it has only been in peoples hands a little less than a month.
Just like with the A2 I can't say enough good things about it. Don't discount it, I promise it will not disappoint, and it does not have ANYTHING locked down.
When you come up for your upgrade in sept. think about it, and give it a shot.
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Hmm...we'll see. At $199 though, I can't pull the trigger.
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Hmm...we'll see. At $199 though, I can't pull the trigger.
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GO to best buy, and trade the A2 in toward the SGS 3, and use the $50 credit, and you might have to pay 50 bucks... heck I traded my inspire in at BB and I only payed 99 for it, and they gave me 100 for it, and gave me a $50 gift card, so I got the phone for free plus a case and a 32GB SDcard all with out having to pay 1 dollar for the A2....
Just something to think about.
If this phone is locked down to AT&T like our A2 was it will be another epic fail for MOTO!!! Funny how Samsung doesn't bow down to AT&T but MOTO caters to their every whelm. Which goes back to the finger pointing, MOTO says it's up to the carriers and the carriers say it's up to the manufacturer.
I want the SG3... something fierce. I've tried to sell my girlfriend's A2 on eBay and Craig's List -to no avail. She upgraded to it from the first A4G, but doesn't care either way about it. To her, its a phone, and just a phone! Listed at about the sane price as would be the $199.00 new two year contract price.
Question: I see this "feedback" deal here on XDA on my profile and others. So, is that for 1) people selling old or unused devices, and 2) would there be audience here that would prove to have more interested parties to buy other than eBay or Craigslist?
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I want the SG3... something fierce. I've tried to sell my girlfriend's A2 on eBay and Craig's List -to no avail. She upgraded to it from the first A4G, but doesn't care either way about it. To her, its a phone, and just a phone! Listed at about the sane price as would be the $199.00 new two year contract price.
Question: I see this "feedback" deal here on XDA on my profile and others. So, is that for 1) people selling old or unused devices, and 2) would there be audience here that would prove to have more interested parties to buy other than eBay or Craigslist?
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Go to Best buy and get the $50, gift certificate, and do the phone buy back, they should give you 100-150 as a buy back for the A2 even if Craigslist and ebay don't get you a sale.
Just something to go try!
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If this phone is locked down to AT&T like our A2 was it will be another epic fail for MOTO!!! Funny how Samsung doesn't bow down to AT&T but MOTO caters to their every whelm. Which goes back to the finger pointing, MOTO says it's up to the carriers and the carriers say it's up to the manufacturer.
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It will be business as usual for moto... heck, they just re-locked the bootloader on the OG Atrix with the last updated... so...
I would assume the worst here.
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I want the SG3... something fierce. I've tried to sell my girlfriend's A2 on eBay and Craig's List -to no avail. She upgraded to it from the first A4G, but doesn't care either way about it. To her, its a phone, and just a phone! Listed at about the sane price as would be the $199.00 new two year contract price.
Question: I see this "feedback" deal here on XDA on my profile and others. So, is that for 1) people selling old or unused devices, and 2) would there be audience here that would prove to have more interested parties to buy other than eBay or Craigslist?
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You can trade in mobile phones for gift cards at Best Buy...you could trade in the Atrix 2 for $150 in good condition - I just checked.
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You can trade in mobile phones for gift cards at Best Buy...you could trade in the Atrix 2 for $150 in good condition - I just checked.
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That's $150 for basically a mint-condition Atrix 2 without a single blemish or nick on the surface/body of the phone anywhere, with the original box, original paperwork, USB charger and cable, etc... now, while a lot of folks keep all that stuff around, not everyone does. I got my Atrix 2 from a pawn shop and while it's in great shape (just a tiny nick on the back side where the plastic surrounding the camera lens is), I don't have any of the other contents so I'd be looking at $50-90 tops, sadly.
Can sell it on craigslist for $125 cash in a few hours more than likely... been considering it based on a) the infamous locked bootloader fiasco and b) AT&T taking their sweet freakin' time with ICS even if Motorola has it ready to go (they probably do at this point, who knows).
I hate companies that make great products then do something stupid with them like the bootloader crap. Sony, ruined years ago. Motorola, getting worse by the day. And don't even get me started on Apple.
I sense that the battery is going to really suck on that new atrix hd.... think about it, the battery is approximately 1700 Mah (like our atrix 2) with a bigger screen, higher resolution and Lte , hopefully the snapdragon wont be a drainer but its still clocked higher than the current atrix 2....
its gonna be problematic like the droid razr...
Go for the Razr Maxx or the upcoming Razr Hd that's the one I'm gonna go for, switching to Verizon when that comes out!
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That's $150 for basically a mint-condition Atrix 2 without a single blemish or nick on the surface/body of the phone anywhere, with the original box, original paperwork, USB charger and cable, etc... now, while a lot of folks keep all that stuff around, not everyone does. I got my Atrix 2 from a pawn shop and while it's in great shape (just a tiny nick on the back side where the plastic surrounding the camera lens is), I don't have any of the other contents so I'd be looking at $50-90 tops, sadly.
Can sell it on craigslist for $125 cash in a few hours more than likely... been considering it based on a) the infamous locked bootloader fiasco and b) AT&T taking their sweet freakin' time with ICS even if Motorola has it ready to go (they probably do at this point, who knows).
I hate companies that make great products then do something stupid with them like the bootloader crap. Sony, ruined years ago. Motorola, getting worse by the day. And don't even get me started on Apple.
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Luckily all of my phones are kept in mint condition with the box and stuff.
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That's $150 for basically a mint-condition Atrix 2 without a single blemish or nick on the surface/body of the phone anywhere, with the original box, original paperwork, USB charger and cable, etc... now, while a lot of folks keep all that stuff around, not everyone does. I got my Atrix 2 from a pawn shop and while it's in great shape (just a tiny nick on the back side where the plastic surrounding the camera lens is), I don't have any of the other contents so I'd be looking at $50-90 tops, sadly.
Can sell it on craigslist for $125 cash in a few hours more than likely... been considering it based on a) the infamous locked bootloader fiasco and b) AT&T taking their sweet freakin' time with ICS even if Motorola has it ready to go (they probably do at this point, who knows).
I hate companies that make great products then do something stupid with them like the bootloader crap. Sony, ruined years ago. Motorola, getting worse by the day. And don't even get me started on Apple.
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That is not totally true... I sold back my inspire 4G to BB when I got the A2, and they gave me 100 gift car for it, and I only paid 99 for it new... and I did not have the box the usb cable or the charger... it was just the phone, heck I even had CM9 rooted and running on it... they told me they did not care, and they even waited while I wiped my data off the phone. They are just going to recycle it, and re-sell it to you as a refurb, or use it as a replacement for thier BB "geak squad" protection.
Might have to look into that with my own Atrix 2 then, but I think in the long run I'd still rather have cold hard cash in the hand than some damned gift certificate/card, especially at Worst Buy. Sorry, had to say it as I've dealt with their crap over the years and still do whenever someone brings me a laptop to fix/optimize/repair and the first words from the client are "I took it to Geek Squad and..." or I spot the stupid little pink sticker on the bottom that confirms yes they did get it hosed/looked over at some Best Buy location.
I'm really disappointed in Motorola at this point. The Atrix 2 is one very nice piece of hardware start to finish, but it's hamstrung by these stupid restrictions. It's more than capable of running Jelly Bean even in spite of missing a few features (no NFC, no "recommended" quad core CPU, etc) but we'll never ever see it and the phone is barely 9 months old.
Seems like the "cycle of obsolescence" is just increased, like Moore's Law I suppose. A few years ago you could count on a solid up within a given period of time (and 9 months to get ICS is ridiculous, period, it just is any way you slice it) and now it looks like companies are literally taking the track of producing somewhat high-end smartphone hardware and 6 months later it's effectively given the heave ho and dismissed for the next big thing.
This is a really sad way of doing things and making the "disposable society" that much worse, every minute that passes.
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Might have to look into that with my own Atrix 2 then, but I think in the long run I'd still rather have cold hard cash in the hand than some damned gift certificate/card, especially at Worst Buy. Sorry, had to say it as I've dealt with their crap over the years and still do whenever someone brings me a laptop to fix/optimize/repair and the first words from the client are "I took it to Geek Squad and..." or I spot the stupid little pink sticker on the bottom that confirms yes they did get it hosed/looked over at some Best Buy location.
I'm really disappointed in Motorola at this point. The Atrix 2 is one very nice piece of hardware start to finish, but it's hamstrung by these stupid restrictions. It's more than capable of running Jelly Bean even in spite of missing a few features (no NFC, no "recommended" quad core CPU, etc) but we'll never ever see it and the phone is barely 9 months old.
Seems like the "cycle of obsolescence" is just increased, like Moore's Law I suppose. A few years ago you could count on a solid up within a given period of time (and 9 months to get ICS is ridiculous, period, it just is any way you slice it) and now it looks like companies are literally taking the track of producing somewhat high-end smartphone hardware and 6 months later it's effectively given the heave ho and dismissed for the next big thing.
This is a really sad way of doing things and making the "disposable society" that much worse, every minute that passes.
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Yeah I gotta say BB is worst buy... they really do suck... The only reason I got my A2 from them was the trade in, I hated the Inspire and had to get rid of it and I could not give it away and AT&T does not buy back, so... they really are the only game if you intend to trade your old phone back in for a new one.
And the customer service at BB is absolute crap. I fried my A2s bootloader 31 days of owning it, and BB threw the 30 day policy at me... I went literally across the street to the AT&T corp store and walked out with a replacement phone.
But again if you want to trade the A2 for any other phone go to BB and get the 100-150 bucks for it, before it drops lower.
If I had the money (and the good credit) I'd be all over a Galaxy Note right now but, that's a wish that'll never come true so...
Ain't nothing at Best Buy I want to be honest, the Wife still wants a Nook Color/Tablet but, it's just slightly out of our price range for the present/foreseeable future, still on the wish list (but that might actually be doable).
But I can honestly say I'll never directly purchased another Motorola phone unless it's a) branded as a Google Nexus product and b) it has an unlocked bootloader or can be unlocked as easily as "fastboot oem unlock" - I'm just not going to compromise from now on.
Honestly I think a lot of people are moving towards only Nexus-branded hardware. I had a Nexus S recently for a short period of time and it was a blast to own, great piece of hardware and now I find myself wishing I still had it in some respects more than this Atrix 2.
Atrix 2 with Jelly Bean native... that would be a great piece of hardware to own, wouldn't it? It's a crying shame, really.
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If I had the money, the Nexus would be my choice, but I have kids to feed.
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This is the truth. These are my sentiments exactly. I really hope Google lets Moto do the next Nexus...
I was offered a razr in exchange for my charge. How does the razr stack up against the charge. Particularly the camera but everything in general. I understand it has a locked bootloader. Still learning about all that stuff because ive always had a sammy phone and could flash things very easily.
Razr. I don't know about the camera but everything else is better. They got around the locked bootloader with dual booting.
Razr. It works and it has a future. Our devs have done a fantastic job but Samsung & Verizon have ensured that this phone will hit EOL in the not too distant future.
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Razr. It works and it has a future. Our devs have done a fantastic job but Samsung & Verizon have ensured that this phone will hit EOL in the not too distant future.
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Yeah I kinda think it's an embarrassment for them. I knew I was buying a sub-standard phone before I bought it. The reviews said it had garbage for software and nowhere near enough ram. But they also said that it showed some promise with better software. I thought about waiting for a better one to come along but there was also the talk of Verizon ending unlimited data for new users. It was truly a case now or never. Sure enough just a few weeks after I got it they ended unlimited data.
All it had going for it was it was better than the Thunderbolt and that other phone that came out just after it did. I think it was HTC but I forgot the model. Anyway the T-bolt ate it's battery too fast and wouldn't stay running. I got to compare the HTC phone side by side with my charge and the display looked washed out. The good thing that came from my decision is that I have unlimited data.
Sure enough our developers have turned it into a good phone. Now it's hard to decide whether to keep it or get a better phone. The battery life of the Razr Maxx looks mighty good. Getting around the locked boot loader by dual booting looks good too. They say Motorola has better radios than Samsung.
The big deal is a phone with this little ram really looks bad compared to the new phones. I think that's why they are trying to sweep it under the rug.
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Yeah I kinda think it's an embarrassment for them. I knew I was buying a sub-standard phone before I bought it. The reviews said it had garbage for software and nowhere near enough ram. But they also said that it showed some promise with better software. I thought about waiting for a better one to come along but there was also the talk of Verizon ending unlimited data for new users. It was truly a case now or never. Sure enough just a few weeks after I got it they ended unlimited data.
All it had going for it was it was better than the Thunderbolt and that other phone that came out just after it did. I think it was HTC but I forgot the model. Anyway the T-bolt ate it's battery too fast and wouldn't stay running. I got to compare the HTC phone side by side with my charge and the display looked washed out. The good thing that came from my decision is that I have unlimited data.
Sure enough our developers have turned it into a good phone. Now it's hard to decide whether to keep it or get a better phone. The battery life of the Razr Maxx looks mighty good. Getting around the locked boot loader by dual booting looks good too. They say Motorola has better radios than Samsung.
The big deal is a phone with this little ram really looks bad compared to the new phones. I think that's why they are trying to sweep it under the rug.
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I went to a Verizon store the other day and they still had an ad playing on the tv for this phone.
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I went to a Verizon store the other day and they still had an ad playing on the tv for this phone.
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They still have a bunch of them in stock cause nobody wants them.
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I was offered a razr in exchange for my charge. How does the razr stack up against the charge. Particularly the camera but everything in general. I understand it has a locked bootloader. Still learning about all that stuff because ive always had a sammy phone and could flash things very easily.
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how did you get offered a Razr, and which one is it (the regular, new M, or Maxx)?
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how did you get offered a Razr, and which one is it (the regular, new M, or Maxx)?
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it was the reg razr.
First they sent out new sim cards to see if that would fix the issue. it didn't so they did put in a trouble shooting ticket to see if it was the network since both my phones had the same issue. the trouble shooting ticket came back fine and that it must be my phones.
Ive been sent 8 different charges in the last yr. Ive gotten clnr that had everything from blown speakers, constant fc that wasn't solved by factory rest, to different screen issues. I calmly and politely argued my point that somebody clearly isn't doing their job. I told them that i wouldn't except another clnr charge. I have no faith in the device that was gonna be sent to me would be in good working order. They keep telling me that it was policy to replace it with the same model. I told them that they could offer a different device if they really wanted to and in fact i was offered other devices in the past since i had gone through so many clnr charges that were sent out to me defective. I just refused to take any of the other devices (at the time the other devices offered wasn't as good imo). It would be up to their manager to authorize it. The tier 2 tech keep insisting that he could only give me the same device. So i asked to speak to his manager.
The manager repeated the same spill. So i keep telling her that after 8 charges i wont take another. she suggested that i use my upgrade. i told her that i shouldn't have to buy a new phone when im under warranty to get a fully working phone and use the service i pay for. I also noted that if i did use my upgrade. I would have to spend more money on 2 new phones (since mine and my wifes phone was having issues). I would lose my unlimited data, which would cause my monthly bill to go up and would open up the possibility for data overage charges. Lastly i would have to pay 30x2 to use my upgrade. This was asking way to much of me just to get a working phone. As a new customer i wouldn't have to pay out so much. The manager replied that even new customers would have to pay the $30 activation fee. I told her that with all due respect Its very easy to get the new $30 activation fee waved. If verizon didn't want to do. then you could easy go to best buy or some other 3rd party retailer and they will do it and offten times can get a better deal on the phone or combo pack that you wouldnt get through verizon.
She kept insisting that she could only send out the same device. So i told her i understand her view point but please understand mine. I added That I feel as if im being treated differently because now im off contract and i either upgrade to put me back on contract or go through the nightmare of clnr charges that i had already experienced.. Where as before, when i was going through all the bad clnr charges i was offered different devices multiple times but i declined to take them. But at the time i was still on contract. I also told her that it was disheartening to feel this way since im still a paying customer and have been loyal to verizon for yrs now regardless of contract or not. Afterwards I told her that ill let her go since we cant seem to find a solution and i don't want to waste anymore of her time. Ill call back later after i figure out what to want do next.
Thats when she asked me to hold for one min. After maybe 30-60 secs she came back and said that she could replace it with a reg razr only and that it was the best she could do. I told her that i really didn't know that much about the razr but if its at least as good as the charge then that would be fine. she told me that it was actually better because and it used newer hardware. I told her that it would be fine and that i really appreciate her help and was glad that we could come up with a solution. Then she went through the clnr process but for razrs instead of charges.
i called around lunch time. But i noticed that late night they seam to be more willing to work with you. Just food for thought though. i hope this helps ya. sry for any typos im trying to watch my kids, help with homework and type at the same time.
So, who's still stuck in a contract and when does it end? What are your plans when it does end? Upgrade or leave and go to a prepaid plan?
My contract ends on 12/14/13 and am counting down the days when I can leave Verizon and never look back. It makes me sick to pay $180/month service for two smart phones when I can go with a prepaid service and save $80-$90. So I plan on waiting it out and not even toying with the idea of upgrading and locking myself into a phone that will become obsolete in 6 months and a plan that is overpriced and includes ridiculous fees and charges.
I will be looking to spend around $200-$250 on a phone. I know that I can get a SGS2 or Gnex right now for that but in 9 months I'm thinking that the price of a S3 will come down to where I can afford it. I'm also looking at a RAZR or RAZR Maxx. Used of course. I originally started looking on Craigslist, but am thinking Amazon is the way to go.
I obviously want the most for my money and something unlocked or unlockable and plenty of support available for the phone.
What other options will I have in that price range?
HTC?
Samsung?
Motorola?
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I did the same thing last November. I saw how much Sprint wanted monthly for a smartphone and now I have a smartphone for less than I was paying them for just minutes and texting with no data.
I was looking around to buy a phone and I personally felt it was better to spend a bit more money and get the GS3 (which was about $400 when I got it) so that it would last me longer and not already feel very dated. I put it on a card and I've already paid it off - very minimal interest accrued.
If I were you, I'd get the S4 or something if you're looking to buy at the very end of this year - that way they'll be on the market for a while and you can likely find one used at a decent-enough discount over buying new. I feel like it pays to spend more on something better.
Or you could buy an N4 new if you don't care about removable battery and sd card.
You could also just buy a really cheap phone or flash whatever you have now to a pre-paid service - and save the money you were paying to Verizon and put it aside to buy a better phone.
You have a long time. Ultimately, I wouldn't worry about it yet. See what you can save up between now and then, just wait and see where prices will go by then (The Nexus phones aren't much more to save up for you and I'd bet a new one will be released between now and then - a great value if the hardware is right).
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I did the same thing last November. I saw how much Sprint wanted monthly for a smartphone and now I have a smartphone for less than I was paying them for just minutes and texting with no data.
I was looking around to buy a phone and I personally felt it was better to spend a bit more money and get the GS3 (which was about $400 when I got it) so that it would last me longer and not already feel very dated. I put it on a card and I've already paid it off - very minimal interest accrued.
If I were you, I'd get the S4 or something if you're looking to buy at the very end of this year - that way they'll be on the market for a while and you can likely find one used at a decent-enough discount over buying new. I feel like it pays to spend more on something better.
Or you could buy an N4 new if you don't care about removable battery and sd card.
You could also just buy a really cheap phone or flash whatever you have now to a pre-paid service - and save the money you were paying to Verizon and put it aside to buy a better phone.
You have a long time. Ultimately, I wouldn't worry about it yet. See what you can save up between now and then, just wait and see where prices will go by then (The Nexus phones aren't much more to save up for you and I'd bet a new one will be released between now and then - a great value if the hardware is right).
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If you're looking for a phone, you're not going to find much for around $200-250 besides well used S2s right now, and S3s aren't going to come down as dramatically as the GNex did when the N4 was announced. The S3 is still a solid powerhouse that will command at least $300 at minimum for a well used one when all is said and done after the S4 drops. If you're just looking to expand your functionality of your phone, but not have to pay the insane carrier prices/payment schemes for equipment, or worse, MSRP, then you may be in the market for a cheap N7 like myself. I was originally looking for a Note or N7, if I could get the Note, that would be the end of it, but since I found a brand spanking new N7 I've been very happy overall with my pair of Androids. I can still upgrade my phone later, but because I'm not relying on my phone to do anything other than handle my data connection and provide me with a physical handheld to use for calls, I'm not quite as concerned about upgrading it anytime soon. I had already anticipated when I upgraded from a beat up Optimus 3D to the S2 that I would have to stick with whatever I got at $250 (I got super lucky, it was only 2 weeks old) for the better part of at least a year before I could even think about upgrading my phone again. I got that itch shortly after when I found myself semi-limited by the phone as far as certain gaming capability. I then eyed a Note or N7 in order to get my gaming fix. The N7 I ended up getting has since been a VERY handy tool for not just getting my mobile gaming fix, but for remote troubleshooting, home network/pc management when I get calls from my roommates for broken services.
Before you make ANY purchase, ask yourself a couple questions about what you really want. Do you want a device to game on? An accessory/toy? An internet connected tool? A better communications platform? I found that I was already satisfied with my phone and only wanted to get a bigger screen, longer battery life, and better gaming support, which made the Note and N7 perfect options. Note if I chose to drop $400 on a used one and have a phablet, or an N7 for $200 and just never take my phone out of my pocket.
Either way, I would recommend looking into Swappa.com, the Marketplace replacement as this is where I found my N7, and Craigslist (though be VERY CAREFUL here) for the S2.
What I mean by be VERY CAREFUL with transactions on Craigslist is that I've heard of people buying a lightly used phone from somebody for decent money on there, only to find the phone doesn't work anymore and rejects the carrier a month or two down the road. This is typically because the original seller bought the phone on a payment plan and have since either stopped making payments, or have dropped the carrier altogether, and the carrier has responded well within the contract and blacklisted the device on the network. Swappa is a lot more reliable for not dealing in possibly abused/misrepresented items, but you'll pay a premium for this peace of mind. Good luck!
I use my phone now primarily for streaming spotify while at work, email, texting and browsing the web. My WiFi connection at work is sometimes unreliable so I rely heavily on my 3g connection. I'm not as concerned about having the latest tech either. I would probably be fine for a couple of years using a gnex or s3. Although I probably would go for the s3 simply because of the removable battery and SD card slot.
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Cynagen makes some very good points. I am mainly interested in changing carriers and lowering my contract price, and was looking at buying something new and unlocked. Tethering to a full-featured, higher spec tablet makes a lot of sense if the main use case is data. I rarely use my phone for voice, and most times am within wi-fi coverage.
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Cynagen makes some very good points. I am mainly interested in changing carriers and lowering my contract price, and was looking at buying something new and unlocked. Tethering to a full-featured, higher spec tablet makes a lot of sense if the main use case is data. I rarely use my phone for voice, and most times am within wi-fi coverage.
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It's an okay idea, but the phone's battery is going to drain FAST if it's constantly tethering. And unless you're paying for tethering, there might not always be a reliable work-around to get it to work anyway.
My S3 lasted about 4 hours of continuous tethering and it was pretty warm. Instead of it being able to manage going to "sleep", you'd have to do that manually - turn your tethering on whenever you want to use your tablet. Which may work depending on patience and usage.
Another idea might be a data-only SIM in a tablet and make calls over VOIP or just keep a spare phone for the minutes if that's what you want.
I have a phone and a tablet and I use my phone more often on a daily basis - it would not be practical to bring my tablet where I most often use my phone - the size difference is big enough to go from "kind of bulky" to "full on leg shield if you can even get it in your pocket".
I'm not knocking the idea, just saying you need to consider the downsides, too. I almost went for it, myself, but with the $30/mo T-Mobile plan I decided just to get the S3. It's a good size for carrying in a pocket, and I have a 10" tablet that's a great size for watching movies, too (bought it from a friend). I'd recommend going to a store and comparing sizes. For me, 7" just didn't fit in - it was too small for what I wanted to use a tablet for and too big to carry around all day - but if you have to carry a bag or something, it might be a better fit.
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It's an okay idea, but the phone's battery is going to drain FAST if it's constantly tethering. And unless you're paying for tethering, there might not always be a reliable work-around to get it to work anyway.
My S3 lasted about 4 hours of continuous tethering and it was pretty warm. Instead of it being able to manage going to "sleep", you'd have to do that manually - turn your tethering on whenever you want to use your tablet. Which may work depending on patience and usage.
Another idea might be a data-only SIM in a tablet and make calls over VOIP or just keep a spare phone for the minutes if that's what you want.
I have a phone and a tablet and I use my phone more often on a daily basis - it would not be practical to bring my tablet where I most often use my phone - the size difference is big enough to go from "kind of bulky" to "full on leg shield if you can even get it in your pocket".
I'm not knocking the idea, just saying you need to consider the downsides, too. I almost went for it, myself, but with the $30/mo T-Mobile plan I decided just to get the S3. It's a good size for carrying in a pocket, and I have a 10" tablet that's a great size for watching movies, too (bought it from a friend). I'd recommend going to a store and comparing sizes. For me, 7" just didn't fit in - it was too small for what I wanted to use a tablet for and too big to carry around all day - but if you have to carry a bag or something, it might be a better fit.
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I can confirm that it does drain the battery fast! To address this issue I bought a USB-OTG adapter, and just carry one of my 3 microUSB cables with me at all times. When my phone runs low while I'm on the train or bus or something, I use the USB-OTG cable from the tablet to my phone to keep my phone alive, and while it'll drain the tablet faster, I actually get about a 1.25% charge per 1% drained on the tablet (idle), so it's actually pretty efficient (this surprised me). When I'm in the office, I'll let the phone drain down to warning levels <15% and then use the USB cable to connect it to my desk computer in order to charge up, usually towards the end of the day. The tablet I only really charge at home each night when it's practically dead itself. (I practice stretching the batteries out as far as you can stomach (normally <5%) as you're supposed to with Li-Ion.)
I thought about getting a GSM N7, but when I saw it was an extra $100, plus another $30/mo for a data-only SIM card with unlimited service, when I could tether to my cellphone for free, I chose the $200 one-time & free/mo because T-Mobile just sees Android devices and doesn't care.
Evaluate your end goal, and review all possible avenues towards that goal, I chose the cheapest easiest way for myself, and while you may not have these same avenues available, make sure you do all your research to see if you can get anywhere close.
@Pennycake: I don't know how you only got 4 hours of continuous tethering, I get at least 6 straight on my S2. Check what OTHER processes you have running and see about getting a kernel you can undervolt as well as drop to a super bare minimum speed. (My S2 when WiFi tethering to my N7 sits active @ 192Mhz as that's all that's needed to maintain connection, otherwise it hits deep sleep.)
I don't tether all that often, so it's not a big issue to me (it was on a train ride and I probably won't be travelling again for another year).
Another idea is to use the $30/mo data only and use Google Voice + a VOIP service (like Groove IP) - turning the tablet itself into a phone that way. I read an article about someone who did it and really considered it for a while (in my case, I'm glad I didn't because I don't have the data coverage to make calls everywhere I normally am - sometimes I'm getting only GPRS where I can easily make a call, but not so much over data).
After reading a comparison on S3 compared to One X, it seems as though overall the S3 looks better. Has better battery life, SD card slot, better camera. Now that HTC is out of the picture, I will look into comparing the RAZR phones to the S3. I have heard that Motorola phones have better reception than Samsung. Is this true or just a few people's experience?
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To op. You can talk about early cancelation. Sometimes it doesn't cost as much as you'd think. I did that with at&t thank god for it. That was the worst and so over priced. I'm with Verizon and love it but you sound like you're paying way to much. I pay 99 a month unlimited text and data (my plan started before this family shared data thing) and 500 anytime min but I use Skype anyway.
I think I might switch depending on the shared data thing since there are 2 users on my plan.
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To op. You can talk about early cancelation. Sometimes it doesn't cost as much as you'd think. I did that with at&t thank god for it. That was the worst and so over priced. I'm with Verizon and love it but you sound like you're paying way to much. I pay 99 a month unlimited text and data (my plan started before this family shared data thing) and 500 anytime min but I use Skype anyway.
I think I might switch depending on the shared data thing since there are 2 users on my plan.
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Early termination would be too much for us. We currently have three lines, two of which have data plans, the third just an extra line that we added almost two years ago to use it for an upgrade. Our two main lines would cost about 200 each and we would then have to buy two phones.
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