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---"if this thing holds, and it's determined that the aforesaid products may well indeed be infringing on Apple's rights, Sammy could be forced to yank those products from US shelves within a couple of months."---
Wanted to give a heads up for those thinking about getting the infuse that you might have to get it soon. Damn I hate patent wars like this. I hope apple loses... hard
if apple wants to sue samsung over the look and function of the tw launcher app drawer as it is similar to the ios home screen they may as well sue lg for stealing samsungs look as well. apple has been stealing form and function from other companies from day one, the only reason it is an issue for apple is that samsung makes popular devices.
Apple's ripping off Android's swipe down notifications too. Then they have the nerve to say that Samsung is ripping them off. Funny how hypocrisy works...
Man, I was just about to post this. Its completely ridiculous. I hope apple loses hard as well.
has anyone seen apple's keynote for ios5? nearly 8 of their 10 "new" features are ripped from android. features that google has had for a few years now..
samsung is a much bigger company than apple. apple only has there marketing and public image. this wont hurt samsung one bit. on the other hand if google gets involved and if samsung wins the 20 some odd pattent infringments in cell technology that they are suing apple over then apple could be crushed pretty hard.
this is apples business strategy. steal all the great i deas they can and portray an image that the opposite is happening. they have been doing this as long as they have been in business. everything from there aesthetics to the technology in there products to there os's take advantage of the better ideas out there that already existed while they put a stupid half eaten apple on it and tell the world they are inovators.
I understand there a few topics about the court cases including Apple and Samsung, but I wanted to point something out that I thought funny/satisfying.
Edit: I realize this is more of a rant. Sorry!
Ever since the first court case when Apple sued, I had an anger in me. Solely because Apple has been claiming that Samsung couldn't have progressed to where the company has today if it weren't for the fact that they "stole" the iPhone design. I have a couple of things to say to that.
1) As for the design, I can't possibly see how another phone can get in trouble for "copying" the iPhone. Something as simple as a black, rectangular phone with a single button could not be copied unless the company specifically AIMED to replicate the iPhone, and I doubt that is the case with Samsung.
2) About 25% of the components in the iPhone are supplied by Samsung... Lol
3, The satisfying piece of news) Somewhat old news, but for those of you who missed it, Samsung wanted to submit a document as court evidence to battle the accusation of "copying the iPhone", but for an unknown reason, it was declined. Despite being declined, Samsungs legal team went against the order of the judge, and ended up publishing the document publicly. What was the document? A document showing the design for a PRE-iPHONE device, that actually, does look very, very similar to the iPhone. In fact, SEVERAL devices resembling an iPhone, all of them designed in 2006, before the iPhone release.
I love this. Not so much because I'm an android fanboy, but more so because I DESPISE Apple (That's another discussion in itself). These documents are like saying F you to Apple...
I wish I can link you guys to the articles and pictures, but my account is relatively new. Please do the research (if you'd like) and look at the pictures yourselves if you haven't! Search "allthingsd samsung goes public" on Google and click the first link.
TL;DR - Samsung f**ks over Apple
Samsung cant makes phones to save themselves
Motorola ftw!
Tl,dr samsung may have won but its not over
PepperGardener said:
Samsung cant makes phones to save themselves
Motorola ftw!
Tl,dr samsung may have won but its not over
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Lol. Well although I do like Samsung, and not so much Motorola, although they do make good phones. Just wanted to exemplify the fact
that the satisfaction came from my hatred towards Apple, not the love towards Samsung.
TL;DR - I hate Apple.
PepperGardener said:
Samsung cant makes phones to save themselves
Motorola ftw!
Tl,dr samsung may have won but its not over
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Did you really think?
PepperGardener said:
Samsung cant makes phones to save themselves
Motorola ftw!
Tl,dr samsung may have won but its not over
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Psch, motorola makes good hardware maybe. Their software is crap. Ever heard of anyone actually saying 'Yeah I think I'd like motoblur on my phone!' Yeah me neither. Samsung has got software down and their CPU/GPU is always ahead of the game. Both are better than apple though, lets agree on that.
PepperGardener said:
Samsung cant makes phones to save themselves
Motorola ftw!
Tl,dr samsung may have won but its not over
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LOL. yeah rite xD
Thank God it's not just me
I was thinking about commenting on Motoblur, but I decided to not stray away from the topic... even though we apparently have. (But that's okay)
I'm glad I'm not alone, never really thought I was though, and yes I agree totally. Apple can suck it
Personally i think samsungs ui does look too much like the apple ui. Look at the uk case where the judge ruled that on first impression they do look similar but that after using both he decided overall the experience was different. Apples main argument is that the first impression people have is that they look the same. To be honest I actually agree this point. Samsung haven't done enough to look unique.
This is the only point I agree apple have a case with, i think most of their cases are stupidly overblown to the pont of appearing petty. The actual patents that apple are trying to claim are to me not generally what i would term innovative enough to warrant being patentable inventions. I think this should be handled as a copyright case not a patent case.
One of the things people fail to mention is samsungs allegations that apple are infringing their patents. The samsung patents to me seem much more valid than the fluff apple are claiming as patents. If apple expect companies to accept their patents they should respect the patents of others.
Theres no mystery as to why the evidence was rejected. The judge had given a time that evidence should be submitted by, samsung tried to submit it too late. Theres nothing sinister the judge had set rules that had to be followed.
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What annoys me is the fact its a mobile phone, there isnt a lot that you can change to make a touch screen phone look loads different from another. They are basically all the same shape, they all have an ear piece which has to be at the top and buttons have to be at the bottom. As for the look of the ui same goes, a desktop on a computer is basically the same, most used apps at the bottom just like quick launch on PC then other apps spaced evenly on the rest of the screen. With apps been available on iOS and android then that makes them look more alike. Its all bs and apple piss me off.
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How can anyone love or hate pieces of black plastic or companies producing them, it always amazed me. Use your feelings towards some things worthy of it. Anyway, Nokia was the first in the late 90s with some proto smartphones with touch screens. They completely screwed it and that's a shame.
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What do you think will happen cause apple won the patent thing
The infuse is no longer for sale. They can't retroactively confiscate the devices people have already purchased, so the ruling will have no effect on the Infuse at all.
They'll go after future sales next. Then they'll go after the Android OS itself. I have always hated Apple products, too proprietary for me. One the bright side, it's not over. Samsung will appeal that Apple has abused the patent laws in order to monopolize the market, which is true.
I don't see flat screen TV or monitor law suits out there for "copying". Job's biggest feat was convincing brainless zombies that they needed what he was selling...which is junk.
I will go back to Balckberry or a Motorola flip phone before I ever buy Apple crap!
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They'll go after future sales next. Then they'll go after the Android OS itself. I have always hated Apple products, too proprietary for me. One the bright side, it's not over. Samsung will appeal that Apple has abused the patent laws in order to monopolize the market, which is true.
I don't see flat screen TV or monitor law suits out there for "copying". Job's biggest feat was convincing brainless zombies that they needed what he was selling...which is junk.
I will go back to Balckberry or a Motorola flip phone before I ever buy Apple crap!
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... and all the people said Amen.
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What do you think will happen cause apple won the patent thing
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It will be dragged out in court with appeals for awhile. Then one of the manufacturers will pay for patents so they can use whatever it is they have copied. I don't think much will change but i could be wrong.
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nothing will change on the consumer end, maybe prices will go up to cover royalties or whatnot, but in the end google will still make android available and companies will use it. on the plus side google owns motorolas patents.. and they are suing apple.!
Jep56 said:
They'll go after future sales next. Then they'll go after the Android OS itself. I have always hated Apple products, too proprietary for me. One the bright side, it's not over. Samsung will appeal that Apple has abused the patent laws in order to monopolize the market, which is true.
I don't see flat screen TV or monitor law suits out there for "copying". Job's biggest feat was convincing brainless zombies that they needed what he was selling...which is junk.
I will go back to Balckberry or a Motorola flip phone before I ever buy Apple crap!
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Yeah apple is crap
I'm so lost on this topic
*becoming a flashaholic*
Yeah Google get crapple....
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Ruling doesn't mean anything for the infuse except they can no longer sale a phone in the US that is already not being sold.
Apple will probably never licence their technology to any android device purely because it is running android. They offered to licence their tech to samsung but at the price they wanted Samsung would make no money at all on the devices.
Apple's main enemy isn't the phone makes, it is Google. Google is just the boss fight while the phone manufacturers are the mini bosses that are blocking the way.
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I will go back to Balckberry or a Motorola flip phone before I ever buy Apple crap!
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You and me both brotha!!! Hell I'll rock my old HTC Tilt!!!!
http://www.aforadio.com/index.php/s...30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-aforadio-com/
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http://www.aforadio.com/index.php/s...30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-aforadio-com/
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http://en.paperblog.com/samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-294795/
it's a fake story. too bad though.
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http://www.aforadio.com/index.php/s...30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-aforadio-com/
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That literally made me laugh!!!!
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Figured it was fake. Was funny though.
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Figured it was fake. Was funny though.
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yeah i wanted to believe it but 30 trucks would barely be a down payment not to mention somebody would have noticed if they were to organized getting 20 billion coins together at the same time. people sometimes fail to realized how big a number that is.
i did a little math figuring the payload of a trailer would be exceeded long before the volume of the trailer in copper and found the mass of a nickel is 5 grams. makes the math pretty easy, the maximum legal load of a road going vehicle is 80,000 lbs which is roughly 36,000kg as you can see 100,000,000 is way more than 30 times the weight capacity of a truck and trailer. it would take well over 3000 loads of nickels after you subtract the weight of the truck and trailer from the total allowable weight. actually for a truck and trailer it's probably more like 4500 loads.
but if it were me and i could come up with a way to get a bunch of physical money together at once i would totally pay the first few million that way. but not in nickels or pennies. nickels contain a lot of copper and more importantly they contain a reasonable amount of nickel and are likely worth more than the face value. it would be a gold mine of scrap metal however illegal. pennies can be worth triple the face value if they are older from when they were made from copper and many of these pennies are still in regular circulation.
if i really wanted to pull a good prank i'd go for money that was likely to depreciate rapidly in relation to the american dollar and pay in papper bills, easier to ship than coins and has no value other than the face value, then see how long it takes them to deposit it all.
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Ruling doesn't mean anything for the infuse except they can no longer sale a phone in the US that is already not being sold.
Apple will probably never licence their technology to any android device purely because it is running android. They offered to licence their tech to samsung but at the price they wanted Samsung would make no money at all on the devices.
Apple's main enemy isn't the phone makes, it is Google. Google is just the boss fight while the phone manufacturers are the mini bosses that are blocking the way.
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Hahaha good analogy.
I did find out that car toys (local electronic store in wa) still offers the infuse for sale for free on contract. I was surprised.
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Dani897 said:
yeah i wanted to believe it but 30 trucks would barely be a down payment not to mention somebody would have noticed if they were to organized getting 20 billion coins together at the same time. people sometimes fail to realized how big a number that is.
i did a little math figuring the payload of a trailer would be exceeded long before the volume of the trailer in copper and found the mass of a nickel is 5 grams. makes the math pretty easy, the maximum legal load of a road going vehicle is 80,000 lbs which is roughly 36,000kg as you can see 100,000,000 is way more than 30 times the weight capacity of a truck and trailer. it would take well over 3000 loads of nickels after you subtract the weight of the truck and trailer from the total allowable weight. actually for a truck and trailer it's probably more like 4500 loads.
but if it were me and i could come up with a way to get a bunch of physical money together at once i would totally pay the first few million that way. but not in nickels or pennies. nickels contain a lot of copper and more importantly they contain a reasonable amount of nickel and are likely worth more than the face value. it would be a gold mine of scrap metal however illegal. pennies can be worth triple the face value if they are older from when they were made from copper and many of these pennies are still in regular circulation.
if i really wanted to pull a good prank i'd go for money that was likely to depreciate rapidly in relation to the american dollar and pay in papper bills, easier to ship than coins and has no value other than the face value, then see how long it takes them to deposit it all.
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WOW!!!!
Apple... :banghead:
Do you think Apple should be able to patent a natural gesture, such as pinch to zoom and swiping across a home screen? That's ridiculous. And what the hell is with the millions owed over using similar icons? YOU CAN'T PATENT AN ICON WITH A MUSIC NOTE, APPLE.
Rage is over
the thing that gets me is that apple and ms stole the gui with pointer navigation and mouse control from xerox. not to mention all the prior existing art in sci-fi movies of touch interfaces and two point navigation of images (though in movies it's often 3d holograms that use two point manipulation). every artist and engineer with an imagination knew we would get to a point with touch integration and intuitive controls for 30+ years, tablets were in 2001 Space Odyssey in the 1960's, they were in star trek tng with a remarkable resemblance to a nook or ipad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVqHoGKQXLI tablets with stylus navigation looking similar to a very large palm pilot were used in the original series for the captains log, they were called electronic clipboards. and in tng were called a personal acess display device aka a "PADD" (coincidence?) and countless other examples in b movies not to mention microsoft introduced a tablet prototype in the year 2001 that aside from performance had just about all the ideas we see today. it's only natural for people to want to interact with computers like they interact with the world and for developers to want to create these things, the ideas are actually pretty old but the processing power wasn't afordable and battery friendly for a long time. i can remember having conversations with my brother as teenagers about the ideas of two point scaling and touch screens which is all the "pinch" is but touch screens were super expensive back then and i have no idea if they even supported multi touch. anyone who's ever thought about geometry or perspective could conceptualize it, how can someone patent that? samsung just had a week defense team because apple and microsoft beat cases like this pretty regularly, only they usually buy the other company to posses the patents, it's much easier (also google likely bought motorola for this reason, to not only posses patents to licence with the os but to sue apple for infringement resulting in licenses being issued to level the playing field). apple brought ideas to the mass market in the iphone sure but they didn't conceptualize it first and i'm certain they weren't the first to program it successfully either, it's not exactly theoretical physics we're talking about. apple is defending against it's own tactics which are taking good ideas that are already out there in the technology world and bringing them to the public. meanwhile they refuse to pay royalties for all the technologies they use. they think they should be able to pay less or nothing at all for using others patents based on their popularity.
i think it was quoted that apple was asking samsung for $40 per device to pay for licensing and samsung was ask $16 for the patents they hold. apple said they don't pay $16 to any company like it's an entitlement for them to pay less even though it is considered a fair price in the market. then they ask the unfair price of $40 based on the idea that the masses of ill informed consumers could mistake anything with a touch screen for an apple product? wtf apple! and in all of this they still rely on samsung hardware to keep up with the market. rumor is the i5 will have an exynos processor or an apple branded processor based on exynos 32 nm dies. so obviously they know samsung makes superior arm based processors.
edit: as far as the interface similarities go, well i dont see a problem with side by side pages, it's the same gesture you use when you read a book. the icon style and mms do look kinda iphone like but the idea that consumers saw that and bought the samsung is stupid. apple claims they lost $2.4 billion or something to galaxy s sales because of the alegidely infringed artwork is absurd. they lost sale to android because android is awesome. so many sales went to the sgs series becasue it had a good feel and it was the fastest device on the market, it was far from perfect but the touch screen was responsive and the glass was hard and smooth. if anything the of software changes samsung implimented to android the things that sold weren't the art it was the convieniences, the mms application is better integrate with contacts, you select contacts not type them, you slide for call/mms rather than go through another layer of menu. i know for me i bought an iphone 3g knowing about the g1 already only because i didn't have cash to buy a phone off contract, i wanted a smart phone that wasn't an iphone specifically an android but no suitable alternative was available on att! how can you put a figure on lost revenue when you can't know why people made x or y decision? it's not like the galaxy s was a cheaper alternative to where people said i want an iphone but this makes more sense. the captivate launched at $300 on contract though it quickly dropped to $200. how many galaxy s sale were because using the phone insired them to move up from a feature phone? how many people legitimately wanted an iphone but couldn't get one because apple refused to cater to t-mobile and sprint for so long? how many peowould actually say the sgs woudn't have been atractive if it weren't for the icons? how many people had iphones and got fed up with the control of the market, tethering, lack of bluetooth other than audio (what was with that? feature phones had better bt integration than ios2) slow network speeds, no mms, and countless other gripes of ios compared to the lesser known competition? the truth is apple in there hubris made the iphone too elite and too limited in features for most of the market and they have poluted their own minds to think they deserve the sales of the competition. it's actually insane to put a dollar value on sales they lost mostly based on what they failed to provide to people.
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-player-5-8-announced-and-its-massive-20120827/
I know the first thing i said was LOOK AT THAT SCREEN XD!!!!!!!! I hope this isn't on contract...... lol
so... this is what happens when a S3, Note, and galaxy player have a three-some
Lmao. Samsung, wtf. This is hilarious. I can't imagine a market big enough to support this kind of device. Then again, this could end up being the norm.
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Samsung could really go after the mobile gaming industry with their screen and processor tech. I mean does anyone really want to lug around a 5.8" "media player"?
Tablets I understand...more so 7" than 10". The Galaxy Note I understood...that do everything under the sun device and still fits in your pocket.
This 5.8 Galaxy Player....not sure. Which leads me to my first statement.
They have the screen tech, they have the processor tech (hello Exynos). If they could implement hardware controls, this could be another industry Samsung could pad their pockets with.
Just because you don't like spaghetti, doesn't mean everyone else in the world don't like it too.
Ok, don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan, at all of any Apple device. I had Apple when they were actually Cool, the original 2G, 3G 3GS and 4. Then, its a mix of rehashes and more and more catching up. Bit damn Samsung, WHY??????
2 quick example. Gear S2. Fantastic watch, after all after like what 6 or 7 tries, they finally got an amazing device. And yet, S-Voice will recognize the command "remind me to call Fred at 2pm" but will deny you any freaking reminder. Why is it so hard for Samsung to put some finishing touches where little things count.
Also, why don't we have a darn stock sleep monitor? Why would I pay a 3rd party dev to do this, and worst part, it doesn't even integrate with S-Health.
Samsung, you need to start working of the finer things in life. The S7 edge is an other frustrating example. Such a gorgeous phone, I have one, i hated the s6 edge, but this one, its a piece of art. And im sure it will be one of the best selling phone in the past few years. But everything that makes the S7 edge special, is basically the edge right? well then look in the edge apps, and find the same dev selling like 60% of the edge panels, in the entire store, for 2$, that basically emulates functions Samsung should have already had. Edge feeds, there are 2. 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If apple did this, there would probably already have at least 1000. Don't believe me? The Apple watch is a piece of garbage, and yet it has 50x more apps then the 7th edition of the Samsung watch.
Within 2 years, if they wanted, they could rule the entire planet and upsell any other oem 5 to 1. But, i feel like they don't want that, they just want to get by, just enough to stay above the rest of Android, and let apple keep selling boring phones that keep taking market share from them.
Sorry about my rant. I love you Samsung, i'm loyal, but **** has to change.
P.S. Its time for you to take carriers by the neck and IMPOSE UPDATES. There is no reason the same exact device half way around the world in Poland or something gets the new android half a year before the most important market in the world.
And what is, in your mind, the most important market in the World?
The north american one. And please don,t tell me china
Trouble is In my opinion and I'm probably wrong but Samsung is a massive company compared to apple. Not only do Samsung make phones but Tv's, washing machines, fridges, cookers, they make military equipment like satellite radar systems and they even have built the worlds largest skyscrapers just to name a few of there products. Apple on the other hand just make iphones, ipads, ipods, apple watch and a little box they call the apple tv oh and the Ipencil thing. So a smart watch from Samsung is a small percentage of there income.
That said I too wish they'd up there game with smart phones and watches sure it's one product out of loads of others but would be different parts of the company so they can easily work more on S voice. I do wish Google now was an option on the S2 much prefer that over S-voice as it's faster for one thing.
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The north american one. And please don,t tell me china
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Ok. I wont. Somebody must have messed up the stats.. I'm sure North America buys alot more Samsungs than the rest of the world...
Let me guess... U'r from North America?