I know this has been discussed before, but I am looking for new ideas. My problem is that due to $!#&@ TMO (I doubt this is HTC 's doing) I cannot change my voicemail from "My Carrier" to Google Voice!!
I have tried everything. In fact supposedly everything should work correctly right now. When I look at Settings>>Call>>Forwarding, all of the forwarding numbers (I.e., when busy, or no answer, etc) all forward to my GV number...and this is what T-Mobile tells me too (as if throwing their hands up in the air in exasperation). BUT, my voicemail number still says "My Carrier"
I keep racking my brain trying to figure out why this doesn't take when I enter *004*xxxxxxxxxx#. It attempts to change it, but then less than a second later I get an error. The only thing I can think of is that the TMO voicemail number still shows on my SIM card.
I don't have a SIM card reader other than this phone. So I was wondering if anyone knows how I could change this info via ADB somehow.
My only other option is to go through hours of phone tech support with TMO since regular customer service gave up. I would like to avoid wasting a half day. I would rather spend the time trying to figure it out myself instead of telling a TMO tech-support person "I can't take the God-damn battery out of the phone...do you know anything about your own branded devices??!!"
Thanks...
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syntropic said:
I know this has been discussed before, but I am looking for new ideas. My problem is that due to $!#&@ TMO (I doubt this is HTC 's doing) I cannot change my voicemail from "My Carrier" to Google Voice!!
I have tried everything. In fact supposedly everything should work correctly right now. When I look at Settings>>Call>>Forwarding, all of the forwarding numbers (I.e., when busy, or no answer, etc) all forward to my GV number...and this is what T-Mobile tells me too (as if throwing their hands up in the air in exasperation). BUT, my voicemail number still says "My Carrier"
I keep racking my brain trying to figure out why this doesn't take when I enter *004*xxxxxxxxxx#. It attempts to change it, but then less than a second later I get an error. The only thing I can think of is that the TMO voicemail number still shows on my SIM card.
I don't have a SIM card reader other than this phone. So I was wondering if anyone knows how I could change this info via ADB somehow.
My only other option is to go through hours of phone tech support with TMO since regular customer service gave up. I would like to avoid wasting a half day. I would rather spend the time trying to figure it out myself instead of telling a TMO tech-support person "I can't take the God-damn battery out of the phone...do you know anything about your own branded devices??!!"
Thanks...
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Service related issues like no data or the inability to make calls is their specialty. Software issues like freezing, crashing and touchscreen issues they can assist, but when it comes to an OS that doesn't allow you to change the Voicemail number natively, thats not something that t-mobile can override let alone be at fault.
It's crazy how many people believe that the carrier is at fault for not being able to integrate a third party service or feature into their phones. Remember T-mobile is a carrier not a manufacturer. They didn't develop the OS or manufacture the device. [I just want to help put this in perspective.]
The only way this is going to be resolved is if Google develops an app that will override the default vm number. Aside from this, the only thing left is rooting your phone and finding a hack to change the number.
Im not trying to troll your post or anything. Just trying to lead you in the right direction.
It doesn't really matter if your phone says "My Carrier" or "Google Voice"...if you have GV installed, it should still handle your voicemail. You can call T-Mobile and have your conditional forwarding number manually changed on their end to your GV number but the phone will still say "My Carrier". There is a trick though...if you select Google Voice, wait a sec, then hit Home before you get the Failed message, when you go back in the call settings it will say Google Voice...Mine does!
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Service related issues like no data or the inability to make calls is their specialty. Software issues like freezing, crashing and touchscreen issues they can assist, but when it comes to an OS that doesn't allow you to change the Voicemail number natively, thats not something that t-mobile can override let alone be at fault.
It's crazy how many people believe that the carrier is at fault for not being able to integrate a third party service or feature into their phones. Remember T-mobile is a carrier not a manufacturer. They didn't develop the OS or manufacture the device. [I just want to help put this in perspective.]
The only way this is going to be resolved is if Google develops an app that will override the default vm number. Aside from this, the only thing left is rooting your phone and finding a hack to change the number.
Im not trying to troll your post or anything. Just trying to lead you in the right direction.
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I don't think you are trolling, I just don't think you have your eyes wide open. Ask yourself... If the galaxy nexus from Sprint (also a carrier btw) can switch to Google Voice without a problem... Or even my TMO Androids in the past could switch from "My Carrier" (<<--hint hint, there is a test on this!) to Google Voice, but now suddenly on this new flagship TMO Android, I can't seem to switch it over... we have to ask ourselves the obvious question: if this could be done before, but now it can no longer be done, who stands to benefit from preventing Google Voice from being used instead of "My Carrier"? Ummmm.... Could it be MY CARRIER????
And please, I am not aware of the motivation which allowed your common sense to get off 3 bus stops ago but although TMO is not a manufacturer, do you think that HTC, out of some altruistic code of capitalistic benevolence, decided to generously install onto the One-S: Access My T-Mobile, T-Mobile Mall, MobileLife Contacts, Visual Voicemail, Bonus Apps, CarrierIQ, T-Mobile TV, Zinio, and Where's my Water? Each with their own HTC-designed garish magenta icons (where appropriate)? Or that HTC chose to make a many of these system apps and not regular uninstallable apps so that you needed to resort to ICS's "disable" feature (thank you Google), or, in the extreme case use Titanium Backup's 'Bloatware Melter' to rid your system of them?
Sure Google wrote the OS, and HTC was a little selfish in creating a mandatory integration of Sense into all Android phones (without having to root and flash another ROM which is not in everyone's ken), but I don't think Sense 4 is all that bad, so I commend them from removing their heavy hand at least compared to v. 3....
But without a doubt, the most greed-centric of this triad, T-Mobile, (while not a manufacturer, certainly has a few employees who can code I am sure), unilaterally directs, controls, or otherwise ordains that either HTC or another third party to integrate the above described software which has the sole purpose to create an unremoveable advertisement on your phone. This software therefore restricts, limits, egregiously impedes and restrains you from removing ~750MB from a phone which they marketed as having almost 30% more internal RAM then reality thereby duping the unenlightened masses from having full functionality of the phone they just spent $600 on.
Yeah.... You are right good sir!! T-Mobile is only a carrier... They would never try to make it difficult for a user to remove a component from the phone that only brings them value...you know such as their voicemail and visual voicemail.
I just must be a conspiracy nut.
P.S. My phone is rooted.
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It doesn't really matter if your phone says "My Carrier" or "Google Voice"...if you have GV installed, it should still handle your voicemail. You can call T-Mobile and have your conditional forwarding number manually changed on their end to your GV number but the phone will still say "My Carrier". There is a trick though...if you select Google Voice, wait a sec, then hit Home before you get the Failed message, when you go back in the call settings it will say Google Voice...Mine does!
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Wow that worked....Incredible.
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I don't think you are trolling, I just don't think you have your eyes wide open. Ask yourself... If the galaxy nexus from Sprint (also a carrier btw) can switch to Google Voice without a problem... Or even my TMO Androids in the past could switch from "My Carrier" (<<--hint hint, there is a test on this!) to Google Voice, but now suddenly on this new flagship TMO Android, I can't seem to switch it over... we have to ask ourselves the obvious question: if this could be done before, but now it can no longer be done, who stands to benefit from preventing Google Voice from being used instead of "My Carrier"? Ummmm.... Could it be MY CARRIER????
And please, I am not aware of the motivation which allowed your common sense to get off 3 bus stops ago but although TMO is not a manufacturer, do you think that HTC, out of some altruistic code of capitalistic benevolence, decided to generously install onto the One-S: Access My T-Mobile, T-Mobile Mall, MobileLife Contacts, Visual Voicemail, Bonus Apps, CarrierIQ, T-Mobile TV, Zinio, and Where's my Water? Each with their own HTC-designed garish magenta icons (where appropriate)? Or that HTC chose to make a many of these system apps and not regular uninstallable apps so that you needed to resort to ICS's "disable" feature (thank you Google), or, in the extreme case use Titanium Backup's 'Bloatware Melter' to rid your system of them?
Sure Google wrote the OS, and HTC was a little selfish in creating a mandatory integration of Sense into all Android phones (without having to root and flash another ROM which is not in everyone's ken), but I don't think Sense 4 is all that bad, so I commend them from removing their heavy hand at least compared to v. 3....
But without a doubt, the most greed-centric of this triad, T-Mobile, (while not a manufacturer, certainly has a few employees who can code I am sure), unilaterally directs, controls, or otherwise ordains that either HTC or another third party to integrate the above described software which has the sole purpose to create an unremoveable advertisement on your phone. This software therefore restricts, limits, egregiously impedes and restrains you from removing ~750MB from a phone which they marketed as having almost 30% more internal RAM then reality thereby duping the unenlightened masses from having full functionality of the phone they just spent $600 on.
Yeah.... You are right good sir!! T-Mobile is only a carrier... They would never try to make it difficult for a user to remove a component from the phone that only brings them value...you know such as their voicemail and visual voicemail.
I just must be a conspiracy nut.
P.S. My phone is rooted.
Sent from my HTC One-S (rooted), stock ROM
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Nice rant...not useful, but I hope you feel better...meanwhile the OP has solved his problem..
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Nice rant...not useful, but I hope you feel better...meanwhile the OP has solved his problem..
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Well the rant has its foundations in a valid customer complaint...you just happen to trigger it. I like TMO, as they by and large area more hacker friendly and usually their plan prices + things like Wi-Fi calling raise them far above their competitors. But it is with 100% certainty that they read these boards and know we are above average customers... Who love the hardware but appreciate them just the same. Would it be unreasonable (I am serious... Is this just too honest for a carrier to do?) To have them offer a clean Sense only version for $60 more? I didn't run the math, but it would allow them to (i) expose a practice their customers hate but that all carriers take part in for purposes of revenue generation, (II) give customers the option of getting a "better" phone without these space-stealing, CPU-hogging apps or services and still make the money up on the front end?
I know why they might be disinclined... Because it would draw focus to the fact that--just like IE in Windows NT, they would be sharing on thin ice by forcing users to use it even tolerate these apps. This in turn would expose all carriers to the scrutiny of the public (and maybe even draw official inquiries) on these issues forcing them to probably remove them, however, they would have little justification for raising the price (if they were forced to stop this practice I mean).
They all got into a little hot water over CarrierIQ, and overall, they are pushing it again with these flagrant "value-added" non-removable (and possibly illegal) pieces of software..simply for revenue at the expense of the customer; it's really a bad business practice. If they had any integrity, they would continue to act pro-customer as they have been (comparatively) thus far and try to make the word "carrier" not such an offensive one.. in other words, be different. Stop doing it, and advertise that they have stopped. Tell the truth.
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syntropic said:
Well the rant has its foundations in a valid customer complaint...you just happen to trigger it. I like TMO, as they by and large area more hacker friendly and usually their plan prices + things like Wi-Fi calling raise them far above their competitors. But it is with 100% certainty that they read these boards and know we are above average customers... Who love the hardware but appreciate them just the same. Would it be unreasonable (I am serious... Is this just too honest for a carrier to do?) To have them offer a clean Sense only version for $60 more? I didn't run the math, but it would allow them to (i) expose a practice their customers hate but that all carriers take part in for purposes of revenue generation, (II) give customers the option of getting a "better" phone without these space-stealing, CPU-hogging apps or services and still make the money up on the front end?
I know why they might be disinclined... Because it would draw focus to the fact that--just like IE in Windows NT, they would be sharing on thin ice by forcing users to use it even tolerate these apps. This in turn would expose all carriers to the scrutiny of the public (and maybe even draw official inquiries) on these issues forcing them to probably remove them, however, they would have little justification for raising the price (if they were forced to stop this practice I mean).
They all got into a little hot water over CarrierIQ, and overall, they are pushing it again with these flagrant "value-added" non-removable (and possibly illegal) pieces of software..simply for revenue at the expense of the customer; it's really a bad business practice. If they had any integrity, they would continue to act pro-customer as they have been (comparatively) thus far and try to make the word "carrier" not such an offensive one.. in other words, be different. Stop doing it, and advertise that they have stopped. Tell the truth.
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Well, the did allow HTC to retain the "disable" on most of the bloat, so all we're really talking about here is Carrier IQ, pushing their own voicemail service and a few other little items...I'd say pretty good compared to the red themed monstrosities I used to get from Verizon.
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OK, so I've been using a Kaiser/Tilt with Eclair on it for awhile. I've spent countless hours drooling after the Nexus One. When AT&T finally got the "Backflip" from Motorola, I just couldn't resist. I took the plunge.
I should've known better. I have plenty of AT&T horror stories, and this is the same carrier that wont allow you to tell your Java apps NOT to ask for permission more than once (making Opera mini a PITA but the only usable browser for non-smart-phones).
There is NO option to install applications from untrusted sources. This means anything on your SD card, downloaded from the web or over your wifi at home WILL NOT WORK. Naturally, you also cannot use the "su" command in terminal.
Motoblur is nice I guess, but the uninstallable AT&T paid apps, the limitations of 1.5 firmware (ie: no google navigator, no voice search) and the locked-to-yahoo-search-bar are enough to get me to say NO to any further AT&T abuse.
With the Kaiser's bloatware, they removed/hid apps from you so you wouldn't try to use them and replaced them with their crapware.
AT&T does not know the meaning of "open" and they do not understand Android. You are not buying an Android phone when you buy from AT&T.
You are buying a device LOCKED to a market with a smaller number of applications than the iPhone (I don't use Apple products either ) forced to use a lesser search engine for your most convenient option and subject to losing any application that was once on the market but then removed. You can't install your own apps or even test them on your device. Period.
Also on my first day of using it I got a number of "Force Close" messages including on the built-in applications (ie: Motorola's flavor of the desk clock).
It's decent hardware, it feels pretty zippy to me, but this is exactly why I WONT buy an iPhone.
Screw you, AT&T. I will make sure that everyone I know is properly informed about this crippled device that is nothing like the Android experience is supposed to (expected to!) be.
/endrant phew, going to go breathe for awhile.
EDIT: I will add:
- Set "orientation" on this phone when you tilt it and somehow it gets stuck in one orientation or the other (who knows maybe this one is just me, not seen any other backflips) if you set it back to just when you open/close it it's fine again though
- The desk clock can't be launched manually and is tricky to get to appear trying to get the phone in that perfect angle to display it
- I don't have a separate camera on me right now to show you the menu but to back up with sources:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1910...n_atandt_not_the_full_android_experience.html
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/121849
Don't buy this phone. Stay away from AT&T, stay away from Motorola (IMO or at least the motorola backflip).
This is pretty horrible.
I have two questions, though.
1) Can you take a screen cap of the Settings > Applications screen so we can see the lack of Unknown Sources option? That'd really help people see the validity of this issue.
2) I hope you have some kind of 30-day money-back guarantee when buying a handset from AT&T like Sprint offers. Otherwise, ouch =/
I haven't tried to install an apk from astro or anything, but i have pushed a few with ADB which seems to work fine. It kinda sucks, but I really hope that we can figure out root access soon! I don't care for blur, but I like android. Hopefully we don't have to wait to long. Here is an ADB guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=643866
I wonder if Apple suddenly took over AT&T because this kind of behaviour is more common to them
... It's not only AT&T who manages to confuse their customers about an OSS... Don't forget who decided to lock down an open software system boot-loader for everyone *cough*Motorola*cough*
Apple made them an offer they could not refuse!
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I spent some time with one yesterday.
Ouch, even my Fuze running eclair is faster.
They really broke this machine.
I am worried about other att phones!
My hope for an even somewhat open x10 on AT&T is starting to dwindle.
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My hope for an even somewhat open x10 on AT&T is starting to dwindle.
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mines as well. i hope they dont. i know its off topic but is there an officail release date for the x10 on att? i hear it may be april/may
Someone more familiar than I needs to figure out the proper java system call to enable unknown/untrusted sources and then post on this thread the proper at command to execute it via CLI. You wouldn't even need root to do this.
IConrad01 said:
Someone more familiar than I needs to figure out the proper java system call to enable unknown/untrusted sources and then post on this thread the proper at command to execute it via CLI. You wouldn't even need root to do this.
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Assuming the software running on the Backflip is the same software they released the source to on opensource.motorola.com, there may be hope of that. I'll dig into it when I get time.
Wow. I am surprised that this was picked up by Gizmodo. Do we have anyone corroborating this? Doesn't this somehow violate Google's terms of service?
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My hope for an even somewhat open x10 on AT&T is starting to dwindle.
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Mine too! Just means to spend the couple extra hundred dollars and get an unlocked unbranded one.
I got the Backflip just because I am moving on from my jailbroken iPhone and I wanted something neat and shiny.
I can say that there is a lot of smack talk here, but give these guys a chance here to root the phone and get some things working on it.
It's been two days since the release and I can already say, that I like the phone a hell of a lot more today then I did on Sunday. I've been able to install untrusted sources using the Droid Explorer, a bit of a pain in the ass, but it's okay, considering that if I want Android, then this is the only way to go for now.
But I have faith in someone out there... Someone will figure this out.
I just hope it's within my 30 day return policy.
EDIT: I Installed "GDE" on my device and I am able to use the Google search widget... So that issue is sort of solved...
This may just be my unit but the A2DP doesn't work right, it starts playing music then begins to fast forward whatever you are watching or listening to. Did a hard reset, no luck. Looks like I already need a replacement lol.
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EDIT: I Installed "GDE" on my device and I am able to use the Google search widget... So that issue is sort of solved...
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Can you please explain how you got the google search widget working?
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Can you please explain how you got the google search widget working?
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Eh; fail on my part. It's mostly a cosmetic fix. I didn't actually test it, but when you click on it, it changes to "Yahoo".
So my bad on that one.
God, I hate Yahoo. Ever since that stupid ass cowboy did that commercial, it's ate away at my soul...
I don't know why...
To think we were all worried about how Verizon was going to cripple android only to have ATT do it instead. At first I was amazed and then I realized that any android phone would have outshown their prized phone...oh well one more reason to love being on T-Mobile. ;-)
I played with a Backflip. My god it's a horrid phone. And yeah, Android is completely locked down, with no way to delete those AT&T apps and no installing off-Market Android Apps out of the box.
I was going to wait to see what AT&T was going to bring to the table, but I'm not holding my breath.
Btw, I noticed that AT&T trained to sell the Backflip pretty hard. Like, seriously, I was looking at phones today, and every other word out of the rep's mouth was that I should buy the Backflip. Thankfully I'm more informed than that. I walked out with an iPhone instead. (Don't grill me, I use a Touch Pro2, I just needed a good phone for my work line >_<)
Help i ****ed up my phone
So i just rooted my g1 to get the nexus one features to it and now all it is doing is foreclosing instead of going to the home screen if anyone can help can you please email me at [email protected] thank you
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I played with a Backflip. My god it's a horrid phone. And yeah, Android is completely locked down, with no way to delete those AT&T apps and no installing off-Market Android Apps out of the box.
I was going to wait to see what AT&T was going to bring to the table, but I'm not holding my breath.
Btw, I noticed that AT&T trained to sell the Backflip pretty hard. Like, seriously, I was looking at phones today, and every other word out of the rep's mouth was that I should buy the Backflip. Thankfully I'm more informed than that. I walked out with an iPhone instead. (Don't grill me, I use a Touch Pro2, I just needed a good phone for my work line >_<)
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I really do think though that this is going to end up to be a decent phone.
I know I am a little pro for that comment, just because I bought one. But lets look at every phone that ever comes out. There is always some sort of challenge that we have to overcome.
And; with all the threads I've been reading about this; it looks like it was BOTH AT&T and Motorola that are to blame for locking this phone down. ATT cause they don't want us to install from anything but an "App Store" and Motorola because they don't want their devices used for what "there were not intended to be used for," is the wording I've seen floating around the internet.
But in all seriousness. I am coming from an iPhone 3GS which I had jailbroken. So I am coming from a phone that I had everything and anything on to this, and I am, overall, happy with it. Although it's only been 5 days, I can say I don't think I'll change my mind in the next 25 days.
But that's just my two-cents.
Verizon and other carriers are working with Google to ban rooting phones. Data will get throttled and possibility of the phone getting banned from network coverage.
1. The way that they were able to track rooted users is based on pushing updates to phones, and then tracking which meid's did not take the update.
2. More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program.
3. In new builds the tracking would be built into the firmware and that if a person removed the tracking from the firmware then the phone would not be verified on the network (i.e. your phone could not make phone calls or access data).
4. Google is working with carriers and manufacturers to secure phones, and although Google is not working to end hacking, it is working to secure the kernel so that no future applications can maliciously use exploits to steal end-user information. But in order to gain this level of security this may mean limited chances to root the device. (This item I've been told but not yet able to verify through multiple sources – so take it for what you want)
5. Verizon has successfully used its new programs to throttle data on test devices in accordance with the guidelines of the program.
6. The push is to lock down the devices as tight as can be, but also offer un-lockable devices (Think Nexus S).
NOOOOOO,
that sux and i wanted to buy a andriod soon because of the rooting.
I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
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I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
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i completely agree with your first point considering I am one of those ppl! also I rooted my EVO to get better battery life....thats another reason to rooting.
i do see the carriers point of view tho.....they dont want people using the tethering workaround they gain from rooting since that is money that they are missing out on.
i should mention, tho, i am against the carriers doing this!! im just saying that i see where they are coming from
I dont think there is any blocks coming to any of the networks in the UK
This subject has already been discussed - more than once, you'll see, from the link I posted in that thread.
If this takes place, I'll be going back to Iphone.
his was an email I got from my networking team. Just wanted to inform and at the same time get a few informed views.
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tfn said:
I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
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I know this is my first post, but this thread caught my eye.
the reason they don't want us rooting our phones is because if we do we can use out old phone longer and don't have to pay out he wazoo for a brand new phone. I have a Samsung Moment the last O/S that I could get was Android 2.1 Update 1 which basically rendered the Spring gps useless, and made calls and texts come in when ever they wanted, forcing me to think about a new phone, So i joined the SDX forums and rooted it installed 2.2 with the EB28 rom and so far every thing works as good as a Samsung epic just not 4 g,. which doesn't bother me since I don't video chat.
As far as I am concerned YOU paid for the, phone YOU pay the phone bill its YOURS, you should be able to do whatever you want to with it.
that realy sucks. I dont like that
I wouldn't sweat this too much.
I understand the tethering issue, and I also understand that the base is, and always will be, money. That's the whole point of any business.
Having said that, this community in itself is a market and there are people watching what we are doing and where we are going, because there's cash to be made. If we run into locked bootloaders, dead phones, crappy updates and new phones riddled with bloatware, you better believe that someone else will be ready to snatch all of us up and give us exactly what we want, if not close.
If I owned a company large enough to deliver wireless service, I'd be sitting silently with a squad of high-end 250 dollar unlocked smartphones ready for some good ol "we have your back" marketing. ...granted my wireless was on point and I got good reception.
I don't think us getting into our phones and tinkering with it's innards is ever gonna stop. It might change, yeah, but it won't stop.
damn that doesn't sound to good
even if this happens i'm pretty sure there will be workarounds..
So please explain me how that would work in the court room :
- defendent : I paid for a data plan, and now I am accused of using it
- provider : he has installed an upgraded OS on his phone, your honor !
That would be the same as switching phones (for example if I change my Hero for an unlocked Nexus S, I would be using the same OS as in my hacked Hero), while still having the contract.
I can not see how they can enforce such a thing.
I always buy SIM free phones, so they cant really get me with that as I dont ever get carrier updates.
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So please explain me how that would work in the court room :
- defendent : I paid for a data plan, and now I am accused of using it
- provider : he has installed an upgraded OS on his phone, your honor !
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Defendant: I paid for a data plan that expressly stated that tethering is not included so I fiddled with my phone so that I could do that without paying the appropriate charges.
Network: as you can see, a clear breach of contract.
Not that it would ever reach a courtroom anyway.
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I always buy SIM free phones, so they cant really get me with that as I dont ever get carrier updates.
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That's got nothing to do with it though - I have an unlocked. unbranded Motorola Defy but the bootloader is still encrypted.
Some manufacturers can and do lock down handsets that aren't tied to any one network. Motorola do it, HTC seem to be moving in that direction - only SE are taking clear steps in the opposite direction.
Let's have a go at it one more time:
Defendant :
"Your honor, android is all about innovation, and carriers are ganging up with manufacturares cuz they want more, and more, and more, but are to lazy or incapable, or lacking inspiration. I do root, but tethering might as well not even be there, as it is part of many official out of the box releases. If i root, i do it cuz some manufacturers and some carriers are incapable of offering me the google experience im locking for, and as this is a carrier dominance, i dont have a choice but get the closest device for my budget, and that delivers the closest version to that google experience, and then root it, to get the proper battery life i paid for, and get rid of bloatware, which isnt productive for my needs, as THIS DEVICE IS MINE, I OWN IT!"
Network:
We are directly against Android!!!!
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if this happend i think hes going to loose a lot of client so i don't think thats going to happend if no root no theme change no a lot of other things no liberty so if they do that i buy an iphone ^^
hey andy...why dont u guys start investing in you own hardware... apple is pretty good at it, google would be a hit. at least a research would be more then worthed.
my, how the tables would turn in such case....
The more I read and hear this, the more I don't believe it will ever happen.
Hi,
I have plans to buy a Sidekick LX 2009 for use in Belgium.
Now i have read about that when i root my Sidekick that i can use the GPRS network from all the world is this correct can i send emails and surfing on the internet with my Data plan ?
Thanks.
Greetings,
Rudi
There is a lot wrong with that question. First, the LX 2009 was not on android, it was on Danger's proprietary firmware. This means that it's not a rootable scenario, as there's no root to get. I believe what you're talking about it getting it Unlocked which would have to come from Danger/T-Mobile, but I'm not sure if they're still giving out unlock codes for that phone, as it's now old and no longer made.
I wonder if you are still reading this but I think this link may help http://wiki.sidekick.com/thread/4481508/Registering%2FActivating+an+unlocked+sidekick+3+on+other+networks
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Registering/Activating an unlocked sidekick 3 on other networks
Feb 20 2011, 12:14 PM EST
after u by bass the screen by holding the button with the three bars and the L button holding at same time for like 2 sec after ur at the main screen hit the menu button thats the one with the three bars go to settings network options scroll down to network APN now click the change network apn and erase the tmobile one thats there leave it blank then hit the menu butten and click done with in a few seconds or instantly like it did for me it will activate and u make a new user name or use one u have if u do that is and my email started up and the download catalog worked and my sidekick 3 said i was registered text me at 9736104730 (im on att) or email me at [email protected] it took me like 6 days to get my phone to activate and i was getting mad and i did this by mistake and im glade it works now lol att pay as you go on sidekick 3 loving it.
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Well that trick doesn't work. I wonder if we can flash the Sharp Jump (offered by Cincinnati Bell) firmware onto this device? Then someone would have an old copy of the Danger SDK lying around and it would become grey territory in terms of legality of the use of the SDK.
sorry to bump an old ars tread but my SK4G **** on me.... and back to the LX 2009 anyone know how to at least get internet running? apn settings are limited on this device and epc.tmobile.com is a no go
try unlocking the device. if tmobile wont give you the code, then find an unlocking service. ebay is probably cheaper than a regular service. either way, get the code and put a non tmobile sim in and unlock. then put your sim card back in, find the apn settings, delete whatever apn is there, and then put tmobiles current apn in. if that doesnt work, nothing will.
Danger-based Sidekicks ran everything through their proprietary Back-End Servers which were shut down back in May of 2011. After that time, NO Danger-Based Sidekicks have been able to access the internet. Sharp has since tweaked their remaining LX09 stock and re-marketed the devices (complete with an Opera Browser with Internet services and a non-Sidekick name) to other carriers (including Mobility Wireless and Cincinnati Bell). their tweaks were not made public to be applied to T-mobile branded devices.
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Sharp has since tweaked their remaining LX09 stock and re-marketed the devices (complete with an Opera Browser with Internet services and a non-Sidekick name) to other carriers (including Mobility Wireless and Cincinnati Bell). their tweaks were not made public to be applied to T-mobile branded devices.
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If someone can extract the flash through a JTAG or other flash reader, then the Sidekick LX scene may explode; if the hackers can bypass legal measures.
Danger's agreement for developers was very restrictive.
To get any kind of modding started on the Hiptop, you would need some leaks directly from former Danger employees... Not only is that unlikely, the trail has gotten awfully cold. The Hiptop (and all its kin) has been pink and dead for a long time. Some ho killed it.
Agreed. Regardless, the LX is a lost cause now.
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Matarick said:
Well that trick doesn't work. I wonder if we can flash the Sharp Jump (offered by Cincinnati Bell) firmware onto this device? Then someone would have an old copy of the Danger SDK lying around and it would become grey territory in terms of legality of the use of the SDK.
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do u have a copy of Danger SDK..?? is there any way i can get it?? i have a SHARP PV300(almost same as sidekick lx2009) but cannot install any new apps into it.. i just want to install a few apps in it. there is GPS on the device.. but it is useless as it comes without an application,.. is there any way u can help me..??
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do u have a copy of Danger SDK..?? is there any way i can get it?? i have a SHARP PV300(almost same as sidekick lx2009) but cannot install any new apps into it.. i just want to install a few apps in it. there is GPS on the device.. but it is useless as it comes without an application,.. is there any way u can help me..??
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The short answer is no.
There always were two different builds of Danger OS's. There was a developer build that was used by Danger employees and a production OS that required a developer's code to install 3rd party apps.
There's a good chance they still have two builds of the OS for your device. Sharp likely has a developer build they use in house--and you have a consumer version.
Because the catalog is dead and gone, I don't see any reason why they would have maintained the ability to "unlock" devices for devs. The whole dev code feature may have been deleted.
Even if there still is a way to unlock the device, I believe the developer codes were produced using a hash against the device IMEI. But, that doesn't help much because I don't know of anyone that ever cracked Danger's crypto method.
The Danger development website was capable of generating codes for approved devs, but it has been gone for years. So, you can't get the algorithm directly or produce more examples for evaluation...
And, you should be able to copy your device's location to the clipboard and use it in the browser. It's not completely worthless...
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Danger's agreement for developers was very restrictive.
To get any kind of modding started on the Hiptop, you would need some leaks directly from former Danger employees... Not only is that unlikely, the trail has gotten awfully cold. The Hiptop (and all its kin) has been pink and dead for a long time. Some ho killed it.
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ROFL - great multi-pun replay!!!
It's great to see the old-school Sidekicks get talked about. I still have my SK3 and SK2008. The SK3 was a personal favorite of mine. As far as hacking them is concerned, I'm sure there's a way to root them as the basis for the OS was a Java VM running on Linux if I remember correctly. Microsoft would have to fork over the code for the open source parts of it. The SK LX 2009 was a new start for the Danger OS and ran NetBSD as the base of the OS. The old SK's are CHEAP to pick up nowadays given their limited utility, but they would be the ultimate hacker's challenge as far as modding and breaking into the OS. One guy managed to do it and got hired by Danger waaaaaay back in the earliest days of the Hiptop/Sidekick. Unfortunately, it seems his work isn't available to download anymore. HOWEVER, someone else used his work for the basis for trying to get Android running on the old Sidekick devices: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-beginners/acUqRd9ZuRY
It doesn't look like it got very far, but there's some interesting information there. Anyway, I'm rambling a bit here.
Yep. That was jgeorge...
He took over running the developer website after Danger hired him...
Ever wanted to have spell check and autocorrect running from a single dictionary across your entire device?
Gee. I bet Apple will market the heck out of that "new" feature next.
Yay.
Come to think of it, where is that feature, Google?
You going to let an old Sidekick trump you?
P.S. Real Sidekicks don't drop keypresses.
Does yours drop them too? I thought it was just mine. Though, the problem has largely subsided with the most recent ROMs like RAGE4.0 and GOv3.2Bulky (which I'm running now.). still, it hasn't totally been eliminated. This thing will show flashes of what made the old Sidekicks great, but the execution by Samsung and T-Mobile wasn't what it needed to be. Still, this device shows that Android is really Hiptop OS 2.0 (sort of). There's so much in Android that first was in Hiptop.
<sigh> I really wish MS hadn't bought Danger.
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Yep. That was jgeorge...
He took over running the developer website after Danger hired him...
Ever wanted to have spell check and autocorrect running from a single dictionary across your entire device?
Gee. I bet Apple will market the heck out of that "new" feature next.
Yay.
Come to think of it, where is that feature, Google?
You going to let an old Sidekick trump you?
P.S. Real Sidekicks don't drop keypresses.
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Microsoft wasted their money. But, Danger was doomed when the Hiptop 3 arrived. That design failed to innovate and move forward.
The Hiptop, Hiptop Color, and Hiptop 2 were all incremental improvements on the same core experience. At the time, it was ok because they met general expectations.
But, the Hiptop 3 needed to be something special--and it wasn't. That hurt.
The other problem was the closed platform. Danger had trouble getting development off the ground. The whole thing was a powered with a proprietary Java-based (aka slow) platform. They added MIDP support later, but that just encouraged quick and dirty ports--they needed native quality apps.
Danger's (Apple copied the idea) app approval process and catalog was a great idea to guarantee stable software and boost revenue. But, the closed platform also discouraged developers. Somewhere in the middle of the Hiptop 2's lifespan, Danger sued over Hiptones (a grey market app) and stopped giving most people dev codes. That chilled any enthusiasm that may have existed and effectively killed the device with most devs.
Microsoft still could have saved the platform. But, Danger shot themselves in the foot long before that by locking out devs and failing to innovate.
I agree it was a stupid purchase by Microsoft. $500 million was just ridiculous to spend. I really wonder what they thought it would get them. The owners of Danger made out like bandits presumably.
I've heard that things like more advanced Bluetooth profiles like A2DP were kept off the SK3 because of carrier requests. It was also very odd how long it took to add support for MMS to say nothing about the issue of locking down the ability to add your own ringtones. I know someone suggested to T-Mobile that they make dev keys available as a premium download in the Catalogue, but that went nowhere.
Speaking of 3rd party stuff, I wonder to this day what else could be put on an SD card to open up features besides just the themes. There had to have been more to that which could have been done to gain further access to the devies. I tried one time with a friend to hack into the SK3 with my linux desktop via USB, but that didn't go anywhere.
Well, T-Mobile owned half of Danger. Their "requests" and (shortsighted) hunger for a few dollars in ringtone revenue were very costly in the long term.
For years, there was a special T-Mobile flavor of the OS with missing features. That didn't end until the LX 09.
Many other features failed to appear bcause Danger wasn't taking the future seriously. For instance, the devs had software to store our emails on sdcard. The software was around forever and we all downloaded and used it, but it never made it into the OS... Somewhere around the release of the Hiptop 3, Danger stopped taking email seriously. Did they really think the LX 09 would attract a wide range of users with a dinky little mailbox?
We also had proof of concept for video decoding that ran all the back to the Hiptop 3. But, again, it went nowhere for years.
So many missed opportunities..
I made a few bucks back in the day by making themes and custom ringtones for the lx and lx09 I still have my 09 with like 100 custom ringtones and its unlocked but till I can find a way to override the danger server dependancy it will sit in its box in my closet gathering dust I loved that thing. I'm upset now that I sold my sk3 and sklx and only kept the 09 lol
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This is my e-mail to HTC
English is not my primary language so please bear with me.
Multitasking: The phone can not multitask at all. Games, or apps. ex; I was running Runkeeper auto pause mode enable. Stop during my ride to check phone settings and make some changes. The phone killed my application deleting all my data. unacceptable browser refreshing, stopping music applications, closing games,and the list go on.
Games: It might not be HTC fault but as a customer I have paid for a lot of high end games that I can not play with this phone. I know the phone has the hardware to run the games. HTC need to work closer with the game developers to adapt the game to the phone. Ex, GTA 3 runs but I am having issues to save the game, exit, or pause.
Camera: I should be able to decide the quality of the picture detail even if that means slower shutter speed.
Front Facing Camera low lighting exposure is too low. Next to an iPhone in medium dark light conditions my phone performance is terrible. The iPhone looks great.
HTC Live weather wallpaper makes my phone to randomly reboot.
Picture Contact Resolution from G Plus or Phone is unacceptable.
Browser Links: There are not choices to redirect links to:
YouTube app
Maps app
G+ app
It could be more
WIFi issues already acknowledge by HTC
AT&T Network radio seems to hop between towers higher frequency than normal.
2G, 3g, 4g network toggle. During football games or big events, it is easier to switch between networks to be able to make phone calls or send text messages. I have not doubt 4G battery life on the HTC phone is improved but it is not as great as 3G or 2g networks.
Some memory lagging
SMS notifiaction issues already acknowledge by HTC
Gmail Push not working properly.
Google Voice is not installing correctly.
I know some the issues mentioned here are not under HTC control but as a customer I don't care. I have invested money on buying top end games and it is easier for me to find another phone that it is compatible with those games. I should not be the one hassling with the game developers.
Please take into account that I do not have any obligation to write you any complaints and my return window is in 23 days.
I love the phone design but the more I dig the more I keep falling out of love with the phone.
Could you please offer a clear direction if any software upgrade would be offered to improve your product and when?
Thanks.
I agree with all of the above. I love this phone and I continue to use this phone, but there are definite issues. The multitasking becomes a huge issue when I am using Google Navigator.
Xda forums is not the place to be lodging a complaint to htc. Not only does it take up space and clutter the forum, but there is no guarantee that they will ever read it. Email them directly instead of posting this here.
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PurpleFries said:
Xda forums is not the place to be lodging a complaint to htc. Not only does it take up space and clutter the forum, but there is no guarantee that they will ever read it. Email them directly instead of posting this here.
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lol pretty sure he is just showing the letter that he wrote to them.....
I sent the letter to HTC. The letter is here so others can copy, edit, use the letter as guidance to log the complaint to HTC or AT&T.
I seen someone mentioned the bbb. I think thats a great idea. I think everyone should file a complaint with the bbb for htc and att. ESPECIALLY the locked bootloader. Companies shouldnt be able to say one thing and do the exact opposite. the whole lag/latency issue with a lot of stuff with this phone... I never had that issue with my amaze, and my dx NEVER has to load the home screen and I almost have the memory maxed out.
And I agree with the gaming issue. the hox cant hold a candle to my old g2x game wise even with basic games.
Something tells me htc doesnt give a crap. We all know att sure doesnt.
3/4 of that stuff has nothing to do with HTC...
"I know some the issues mentioned here are not under HTC control but as a customer I don't care."
You know that, but then you say you don't care. So, lets ***** at HTC anyways... great plan... I am sure if you call up Verizon and piss and moan that will help too! I don't support this type of crap, if you are going to contact HTC, do it intelligently, otherwise your email will just be ignored.
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3/4 of that stuff has nothing to do with HTC...
"I know some the issues mentioned here are not under HTC control but as a customer I don't care."
You know that, but then you say you don't care. So, lets ***** at HTC anyways... great plan... I am sure if you call up Verizon and piss and moan that will help too! I don't support this type of crap, if you are going to contact HTC, do it intelligently, otherwise your email will just be ignored.
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I understand what you are saying but this is the reason people move away from Android phones. It is not anymore if it is HTC fault. I paid for a high end phone and I want the phone to behave as a high end phone. HTC should have done a better effort coordinating with game developers before lunching the phone. Most or none of the top end games are working with this phone unless I root or do something to the phone. This is my complaint I wont ***** anymore, I will return the phone when the time comes. I sure would like to keep it.
freakboy13 said:
I seen someone mentioned the bbb. I think thats a great idea.
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To complain about what? The bootloader which isn't something 95% of people buying the phone would even know or care about? Or that HTC's memory management is too aggressive causing you to have to re-open apps in less than a second rather than have them sitting in memory? From observing the forum the biggest real issue is some radio funkiness which isn't unusual when a phone first launches. The i9100 had three updates in three weeks to address radio issues when it launched.
Companies shouldnt be able to say one thing and do the exact opposite.
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1) Neither HTC or AT&T have officially said they're not unlocking the bootloader. If that actually happens then there's a beef. Anyone not wanting to take a chance should return their phone while under the remorse period and re-buy it once the bootloader's unlocked. And this is on the front page of the HTCdev site with a warning symbol and has been since the program started...
HTC is committed to assisting customers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices. However, certain models may not be unlockable due to operator restrictions. We continue to work with our partners on this, check back often for ongoing updates about unlockable devices.
my old g2x
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Seriously? You think the issues that the One X is experiencing are remotely as severe as what G2X users had to put up with? That phone is the reason I left T-Mobile.
Other than the bootloader which is a philosophical issue, it's way too early to storm the castle with pitchforks and torches over some of the other issues. The phone’s been out two weeks, at least give HTC a chance to push out a couple of updates. They’re not idiots and didn't diabolically plot these issues to make purchasers of their flagship phone’s lives miserable. If you actually take a step back, for a device using a new OS, new overlay, and a new SoC the number of issues are pretty tame.
Coming from a Galaxy S and before that 3 iPhones that died for various reasons within a year of purchase, this phone is near perfect for me (knocking on wood now). I've had one lock-up and one random reboot. Beyond that, battery is fantastic, screen is out of this world and the speed is incredible. It does everything I want and more.
I'm a satisfied customer. Could things improve? Sure they could but I'm comfortable waiting to see what comes next. If nothing else is done with the phone, I'm good.
You have 23 days. Why wait? HTC/ATT aren't going to fix your complaints that fast. Heck nobody fixes things that fast.
Skijackz said:
Coming from a Galaxy S and before that 3 iPhones that died for various reasons within a year of purchase, this phone is near perfect for me (knocking on wood now). I've had one lock-up and one random reboot. Beyond that, battery is fantastic, screen is out of this world and the speed is incredible. It does everything I want and more.
I'm a satisfied customer. Could things improve? Sure they could but I'm comfortable waiting to see what comes next. If nothing else is done with the phone, I'm good.
You have 23 days. Why wait? HTC/ATT aren't going to fix your complaints that fast. Heck nobody fixes things that fast.
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Nokia does...
mgfjd said:
I want the phone to behave as a high end phone.
HTC should have done a better effort coordinating with game developers before lunching the phone.
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You need to return that phone and get an iphone ASAP. Seriously, you expect HTC to work with game developers?? You clearly don't understand how Andorid is working right now. 30 different processors, 20 different GPU's, 50 different screen resolutions, 30 different memory systems. 3 or 4 different software versions. No company can work with ALL game developers to make the phone "compatible" with all of them. With all the variables I just mentioned, its simply impossible to catter to all of them. (Easy example, no Tegra 3 because of no LTE, so no Nvidia game zone for ATT H1X).
The phone DOES behave as a high end phone. Your standards are just looking for something different. Go back to the iphone, 1 piece of hardware, 1 software version, 1 screen size, Apple IS able to work closely with game developers to make the iphone "game compatible".
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You need to return that phone and get an iphone ASAP. Seriously, you expect HTC to work with game developers?? You clearly don't understand how Andorid is working right now. 30 different processors, 20 different GPU's, 50 different screen resolutions, 30 different memory systems. 3 or 4 different software versions. No company can work with ALL game developers to make the phone "compatible" with all of them. With all the variables I just mentioned, its simply impossible to catter to all of them. (Easy example, no Tegra 3 because of no LTE, so no Nvidia game zone for ATT H1X).
The phone DOES behave as a high end phone. Your standards are just looking for something different. Go back to the iphone, 1 piece of hardware, 1 software version, 1 screen size, Apple IS able to work closely with game developers to make the iphone "game compatible".
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Who says I own an Iphone?
but it shows HTC needs to work closer with consumers and software developers to create a better experience. It is not about providing great hardware but itself anymore. The phone looks great but I am afraid to loose my bike ride log info again. I cant play any of my games. I have to mess with camera settings to get excellent pictures. It shouldn't be that difficult
mgfjd said:
This is my e-mail to HTC
English is not my primary language so please bear with me.
Multitasking: The phone can not multitask at all. Games, or apps. ex; I was running Runkeeper auto pause mode enable. Stop during my ride to check phone settings and make some changes. The phone killed my application deleting all my data. unacceptable browser refreshing, stopping music applications, closing games,and the list go on.
Games: It might not be HTC fault but as a customer I have paid for a lot of high end games that I can not play with this phone. I know the phone has the hardware to run the games. you need to work closer with the game developers to adapt the game to the phone. Ex, GTA 3 runs but I am having issues to save the game, exit, or pause.
Camera: I should be able to decide the quality of the picture detail even if that means slower shutter speed.
Front Facing Camera low lighting exposure is too low. Next to an iPhone in medium dark light conditions my phone performance is terrible. The iPhone looks great.
HTC Live weather wallpaper makes my phone to randomly reboot.
Picture Contact Resolution from G Plus or Phone is unacceptable.
Browser Links: There are not choices to redirect links to:
YouTube app
Maps app
G+ app
It could be more
WIFi issues already acknowledge by HTC
AT&T Network radio seems to hop between towers higher frequency than normal.
2G, 3g, 4g network toggle. During football games or big events, it is easier to switch between networks to be able to make phone calls or send text messages. I have not doubt 4G battery life on the HTC phone is improved but it is not as great as 3G or 2g networks.
Some memory lagging
SMS notifiaction issues already acknowledge by HTC
Gmail Push not working properly.
Google Voice is not installing correctly.
I know some the issues mentioned here are not under HTC control but as a customer I don't care. I have invested money on buying top end games and it is easier for me to find another phone that it is compatible with those games. I should not be the one hassling with the game developers.
Please take into account that I do not have any obligation to write you any complaints and my return window is in 23 days.
I love the phone design but the more I dig the more I keep falling out of love with the phone.
Could you please offer a clear direction if any software upgrade would be offered to improve your product and when?
Thanks.
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Thanks for showing your letter. I often visit these forums before ordering a particular phone. I like to read about the good and bad experiences. Most often users are too excited when they get their new phones or too embarassed to admit they made a mistake to make a post.
My advice is to try the phone. My girlfriend came from using an iphone and she is loving the phone. Of course, She didn't know anything better. Other iphone former users friends are loving the phone too. I think CM9 set a bad precedent in my taste (spoiled)
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Nice letter. I agree completely. The multi tasking on this phone is terrible
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Thanks for sending the letter. I too have sent letters about wifi, gmail push, and multitasking.
Flame me if you will, but if wifi and gmail push aren't fixed (officially -- leaks do not cut it) within the next 2 weeks, I will have to return this, despite the fact that I absolutely love the hardware.
mgfjd said:
Who says I own an Iphone?
but it shows HTC needs to work closer with consumers and software developers to create a better experience. It is not about providing great hardware but itself anymore. The phone looks great but I am afraid to loose my bike ride log info again. I cant play any of my games. I have to mess with camera settings to get excellent pictures. It shouldn't be that difficult
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If you don't own an iPhone, it's time to get one.
This phone has blown me away, completely. The only real issue is the memory management performed by the OS.
Most of these issues you've mentioned are software issues. Hopefully, HTC will push enough updates quickly to fix all of them. However, the devs on XDA Developers are crafty sons of *****es and will make great ROMs for us to flash once we crack the phone open.
Again, if you are expecting a "perfect" experience, move to the iPhone. The iPhone has many limitations to provide its end-users with a "perfect" experience.
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chrikenn said:
Thanks for sending the letter. I too have sent letters about wifi, gmail push, and multitasking.
Flame me if you will, but if wifi and gmail push aren't fixed (officially -- leaks do not cut it) within the next 2 weeks, I will have to return this, despite the fact that I absolutely love the hardware.
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I've never had a problem with Wifi or Gmail push.
maybe wrote again in chinese....and send to them.
designgears said:
3/4 of that stuff has nothing to do with HTC...
"I know some the issues mentioned here are not under HTC control but as a customer I don't care."
You know that, but then you say you don't care. So, lets ***** at HTC anyways... great plan... I am sure if you call up Verizon and piss and moan that will help too! I don't support this type of crap, if you are going to contact HTC, do it intelligently, otherwise your email will just be ignored.
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That's a bit harsh.
If you flip the One X over and look at the back there are the letters "HTC" prominently displayed. It's their phone, it's their choice to work with AT&T and compromise on things with AT&T. HTC deserves all the blame in the world.
I swore-off androids (ADHD makes smartphones a very bad distraction for some, especially me) but my friend got a "buy one, get one" deal on the S8+ and, after putting a small edge-crack in the first one, just put it aside - she ended up giving it to me.
With her pins I removed the samsung/google accounts and did a hard-reset, then updated the system- my understanding was that, after doing this, that the phone would be 'open' for switching providers, so expect this is a different level of 'lock' (after hard-resetting, there was an App called 'device unlock', I had to connect to my wifi to get an answer and it said 'no', to contact customer service)
Am unsure if she can get them to unlock it, but even that is a major PITA (we don't see each other often nor do we live nearby), and I half-expect they're going to say 'no' to her anyways if she's trying to get them to let a 3rd party use it on a different carrier. So, I want/may-have-to crack it to get around this and while I'm guessing that a custom ROM will bypass this, I've read enough about there being something on the chip that'll be irrevocably 'tripped' when rooting the phone before flashing ROM's, and that once tripped it can't be undone and causes issues....so am wary!
There's also the idea of just flashing the regular G955U1 firmware but even w/ that I'm unsure if it'll 'trip' whatever the chip's protection from rooting is, I'd really like to get my service (Tracfone) onto it before doing more aggressive 'minimalization' of the system as I'd like to mess-around w/ a new android OS for a bit just to check it out (last time I used android, towelroot was the premiere go-to...that should give an idea how long it's been!)
Any/all ideas or tips or just keywords to get me pointed in the right direction would be incredibly appreciated, have spent many hours this week trying to get this thing working w/ my service, am awaiting my 2nd SIM card (my old phone, via Tracfone, was using verizon towers- so if I want to keep my #, I have to use the Verizon SIM they've mailed me that should be here any day) and, after that re-set, I'm expecting that even the new SIM will not be enough to get it working properly :/
(Something I think is important to point out, though it could be a fluke- during one of my tech-support sessions w/ the people at my carrier(Tracfone), the first one actually, we ended the call *thinking* it was fixed - the tech had finished on his end, asked me to make a call w/ the S8+, I called my landline and sure enough my phone# was calling my landline (via the S8+), however the tech said there were still issues and that he'd work on them, to call back in 24hrs. After hanging-up, I started testing and the first thing I did was to *call* my cell# from the landline and, sure enough, the old phone started ringing (the old phone is CDMA so it wasn't like I'd pulled its SIM), am unsure if I should take this to mean that it just let me dial-out as a fluke (I hadn't hard-reset the handset yet) or if it went wrong another way, but I *was* able to make a single outgoing call from the S8+ with my # so am getting the impression the lock isn't *that* unbeatable!)
Do a google search for UnlockUnit(.)com and check if your S8 qualifies to be unlocked.
Thank you!!
RossTeagan said:
Do a google search for UnlockUnit(.)com and check if your S8 qualifies to be unlocked.
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TBH that seems sketchy to me but it's a fail-safe/last-ditch effort I'll do if/when the time comes....
I just got a 30d temp-unlock from t-mobile (after a conference call w/ them & my friend the prior owner & myself), so right now am thinking *maybe* I can do things as far as cracking that lock that i couldn't have before....I don't care if I hobble the phone, I only care if the cracked unit can do talk/text, if it loses data I'm fine with that (honestly I'd be looking for the most minimalist ROM if/when I get my non-t-mobile service onto this thing, am a linux person and hoping they've got linux-esque rom's at this point!)((yes, I know android is based off linux I just mean putting a super-minimalist 'basic mode' *nix setup, that'd be my ideal!!))
I know there's a 'trip' on the logic-board on the CPU but my understanding is that tripping it only ruins the ability to get samsung updates and things of that nature, but that it *does not* ruin the ability of the handset to call/text, or use wifi....am still just thinking there *has* to be a way to crack this thing if I'm willing to lose-out on every feature besides talk/text, honestly I've been considering going to this t-mobile location that I suspect is a franchise in a 'ghetto' area near me and trying to just slip their tech $50 or something to unlock it! Though I'd much rather just crack it at-home so I can have higher assurance it's not merely this 'temporary unlock' feature and that I actually get it truly carrier-unlocked....hate that they went so far to lock it out but am having trouble thinking it's unbeatable!
(regarding the pay-for-unlock-code types of operations like you linked, do you know of others' experiences like how reliable a service it is, something more like 50/50 or 95% reliable? Have read an anecdote of someone unlocking one that way, only for the handset to be locked again a month later.....presumably they paid for a temp-unlock, thinking it was a permanent one- but permanent is all that these services seem to imply they do!)