Running stock gb. Is there an app to make my phone switch to AC charging when using my car charger? I know I can solder pins 2 and 3 together to get the effect. I did that to my old charger, but I have a new charger and I don't want to modify it. I am going to solder a small USB extension cable if not. Thx
How to generate AC signalling when charging from USB port.
bark777 said:
Running stock gb. Is there an app to make my phone switch to AC charging when using my car charger? I know I can solder pins 2 and 3 together to get the effect. I did that to my old charger, but I have a new charger and I don't want to modify it. I am going to solder a small USB extension cable if not. Thx
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You can make it with extension cable, a resistor (50 K ohm min , 150 K ohm max) and PVC insulating tape. Cut the extension cable so you will have 2 ends with 4 wires.
red as Vcc+ 5V
white and green as D+ and D- (data)
and black as ground.
Lets assume that the big USB plug you gonna plug on the charger, is the input to our modification, and the wire with the female plug is the output of our modification.
We don't need the green and white data wires that coming from the input, since those are the "USB" signals. We need only the 5V voltage which is the red and black, so we must insulate with tape white and green. Don't strip them, just insulate.
On the output cable with the female USB plug we still have 4 wires and we gonna connect the ground directly with the input ground. Strip the ends, twist together and insulate with tape.
Then connect the red wires (input and output) and the resistor one end ALL Together and insulate with tape. (3 points as one - red, red, resistor)
Strip wires, twist together with resistor's one end and insulate. Leave resistors other end free for later.
Then strip and connect the output signal wires together (the green and white you have available) with the resistors free end. (3 points as one, white, green, resistor's 2nd end). Strip wires, twist all together, Insulate with tape and you are ready. You can insulate the resistor with tape and all the wires together so it will be nice looking. Try to make it straight and not too thick.
If you have the battery widget application by ELVISON installed you will see that your device has switched to AC mode.
Also, this is going to work as AC on a usb port of a PC. Good luck!
Going on the above post you could use a micro extension cable and just create a short six inch extension that can be used on any usb cable.
Why would one do this?
The microUSB charging spec requires a dedicated charging port to have two of the pins shorted together so that the phone can detect that it isn't a USB port/hub on the other end. A USB port can only supply 500 mA whereas a charging port (one that isn't trying to pass data and has the two wires shorted) can supply 1000 mA.
Many "cheap" (and a lot of "expensive") car adapters don't have the pins shorted so the phone thinks there is a live USB port on the other end and "protects" it by drawing under 500 mA from it. As a result, they only charge the phone "half as fast" as they could (assuming they could put out the full "1 A" = 1000 mA, check the label).
The "fix" is to short the pins together, either in the charger itself, or in the connecting cable.
The "fast charge mode" some kernels and ROMs supply basically tells charger in the phone, "Ignore what the cable is telling you, just turn off USB data and pull 1000 mA." Hence the warnings that you may permanently damage your computer or charger.
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Does anyone know where I could get some microUSB charging cables with the D+ and D- data lines shorted already? (i.e. charging cable only, not for data).
Rather not take apart (Read: Destroy) my microUSB cables I use for data. I have USB wall-warts and USB cigarette lighter adapters which supports drawing 1A from the ports.
Thanks!
Cheers,
Kermee
If your like me and still have plenty of mini usb devices around, you would be best off getting a mini to micro converter off ebay, these already have the pins shorted so my wife and kids can still charge up their stuff and its quite easy to pop on/off the adapter depending on what you want to charge.
There's an easy method to "short" the data pins.
You just need a short USB "leading" (6-12' or 15-30cm extension) cable, a piece of double-sided tape and aluminum foil.
stick the tape to the foil, then cut to the size that can cover both center pins on the jack side of USB leading cable, and plug the microUSB cable, that's it.
You can do the same trick for PSPGo stock USB cable too!
I'm interested in this too. Anyone know of any sites? or at least a microusb to microusb WITH shorted pins adapter?
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I'm interested in this too. Anyone know of any sites? or at least a microusb to microusb WITH shorted pins adapter?
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You have to custom make it.
Do you know of any tutorials on how to do this?
Sorry for the bump but i really want to try this out, can anyone give me more specific instructions? I dont know too much about cable wiring
Buy a USB extender cable, cut the cable in half, connect the red from the plug side to red from the socket side, connect black from the plug side to black from the socket side, leave the white and green from the plug side unconnected (tape over the ends), and twist together the white and green from the socket side. Solder, then electrical tape or heat shrink all the connections. Now plug the cable into any USB charger that provides 700-1000mA, plug your micro-usb cable into the socket end, and plug it into your phone.
Thanks man, i appreciate the help.
Got it working :]
I've decided to make my own cables. Then using red heat-shrink tubing where I made the cut & modification so it would denote it's for "USB charging" only with the data-lines cut ("floating) towards the host and bridged/shorted on the device side.
I was going to make several of these so if there's enough interest, I'm willing to make several extra of these to sell for a nominal price if anyone is interested.
Cheers,
Kermee
I have one of these, for charging only, which I have plugged into my work computer.
Picked it up at some store near where I live, in Hong Kong.
Had no idea it was just for charging (actually, didn't even know you could buy such cables).
I'm probably going to get rid of it though, as I would like the ability to transfer data as well.
You do know that your phone will charge twice as fast with that cable right?
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You do know that your phone will charge twice as fast with that cable right?
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Yep, the charge on the cable at work is really slow! But I'm not too bothered as it just sits there during the day.
Be aware of that, the phone may get hot when charging because more current is allowed to speed up charing.
mingkee said:
Be aware of that, the phone may get hot when charging because more current is allowed to speed up charing.
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Yes, it does get a bit hot.
In any case, like I said, I'll probably buy a proper sync cable instead in the next few days.
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Buy a USB extender cable, cut the cable in half, connect the red from the plug side to red from the socket side, connect black from the plug side to black from the socket side, leave the white and green from the plug side unconnected (tape over the ends), and twist together the white and green from the socket side. Solder, then electrical tape or heat shrink all the connections. Now plug the cable into any USB charger that provides 700-1000mA, plug your micro-usb cable into the socket end, and plug it into your phone.
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Just wanted to say thanks for posting up this info (for some reason thank button isn't showing for this thread). Ordered some USB extension cables today, can't wait to try this out. I've long been plagued with not getting enough juice my USB car charger, now I know why.
Edit: BTW, what's the reason for using the USB extender cable for this, couldn't you just cut an existing USB cable in half and short the D+/D- wires? I'm guessing you cut the extender cable so that you can disconnect the intact USB cable and then it would still transmit data if you desired?
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Edit: BTW, what's the reason for using the USB extender cable for this, couldn't you just cut an existing USB cable in half and short the D+/D- wires? I'm guessing you cut the extender cable so that you can disconnect the intact USB cable and then it would still transmit data if you desired?
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You could do that too if you like. I have a big pile of 4" extenders from USB flash drives and wifi dongles and didn't really consider cutting up a microusb cable.
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You could do that too if you like. I have a big pile of 4" extenders from USB flash drives and wifi dongles and didn't really consider cutting up a microusb cable.
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Just to confirm that I'm understanding the shorting of the D+ / D- wires together, the short needs to be on the side of the cable which is connected to the phone, yes?
The D+ / D- wires which are on the side of the cable plugged into the car charger just need to be covered w/ electrical tape and not touching each other when connected back together, yes?
I drew out a sketch based on your outline of what's connected back to what, and that's what I came up with. The shorting of the D+ / D- wires going to the phone must be how the phone realizes that there's not a data connection to be made, so instead will just look for max power? If the D+ / D- lines weren't shorted when connected to the phone (but instead just not connected based on the cable), would the phone just assume USB and charge slower at that point?
Thanks for your help and clarification! I think I'm understanding what you're outlining.
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Just to confirm that I'm understanding the shorting of the D+ / D- wires together, the short needs to be on the side of the cable which is connected to the phone, yes?
The D+ / D- wires which are on the side of the cable plugged into the car charger just need to be covered w/ electrical tape and not touching each other when connected back together, yes?
I drew out a sketch based on your outline of what's connected back to what, and that's what I came up with. The shorting of the D+ / D- wires going to the phone must be how the phone realizes that there's not a data connection to be made, so instead will just look for max power? If the D+ / D- lines weren't shorted when connected to the phone (but instead just not connected based on the cable), would the phone just assume USB and charge slower at that point?
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Yes, leave the charger side (USB plug) unconnected and preferrably insulated, and the phone side (USB socket) shorted. Before a USB link is established, both a USB host and USB device will set and check for different voltages on the D+ and D- pins to determine what's at the other end. This is just an extension of that and is safe for the device.
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Yes, leave the charger side (USB plug) unconnected and preferrably insulated, and the phone side (USB socket) shorted. Before a USB link is established, both a USB host and USB device will set and check for different voltages on the D+ and D- pins to determine what's at the other end. This is just an extension of that and is safe for the device.
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Thanks very much for confirming! I'm going to short two micro USB cables I've got for car use only.
This message is a summary of my previous messages. I hope that it will be useful. I wrote this to document what I found out about the Epic. I'm cheap, and I didn't want to buy ANOTHER charger for my car. I had a 3A, 2-port USB charger, and I was mad that my Epic was charging slowly. I managed to modify my charger to get it to perform just like the wall charger that came with my phone.
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Q: How much current does the Epic draw from a normal (bus-powered) USB port when charging?
A: 380mA.
Q: How much current does the Epic draw from the OEM 700mA wall charger when charging?
A: 600mA
Q: How much current does the Epic draw from a car charger or an aftermarket wall charger?
A: It depends...
If the charger has the two data pins (D+ and D-) shorted, the Epic will attempt to draw 600mA. Otherwise, it will draw 380mA.
Q: How can I tell if my phone is charging at 380mA or 600mA?
A: Turn off USB debugging (Home Screen\Settings\Applications\Development\USB debugging).
If you plug into a 380mA source (D+ and D- not shorted), you get a "Charging/Mass Storage/Tethered Mode" popup when you unlock your phone.
If you plug into a 600mA source (D+ and D- shorted), you do not get a popup.
Q: I have a 1A micro USB charger from another phone. Can I use it to charge the Epic?
A: Yes, but you won't get it to charge any faster than the 700mA OEM wall charger. The phone will only draw 600mA at most, regardless of how many amps the charger can supply. (And that assumes that D+ and D- are shorted.)
Q: I have a Palm Pre wall charger. I've heard that it charges the phone faster than the Epic wall charger. Is this true?
A: No. The Palm Pre wall charger does not charge the phone any faster than normal. With my phone hooked up, I measured 590mA (600mA with cable loss). I also saw that the charger had D+ and D- shorted. It behaves exactly like the Epic's charger.
Q: Will these 1A chargers damage my phone?
A: As long as the charger is able to supply the necessary current without overheating, chargers from other phones will not damage the Epic. A charger may be rated for 3A, but the Epic controls how much current it draws.
If you buy a cheap charger, you run the risk of having the charger's chip burn up. Among other things, this could short the charger's input voltage (12V from a car) to the USB V+ line and fry your phone.
Q: I have a USB charger that seems to charge my phone slooooowly. What can I do?
A: Your charger is probably supplying 380mA (or worse). You have a few options:
NOTE: Before doing any of this, make sure that your charger is rated at 700mA or greater. If you have an unmarked charger, chances are that it will not be able to supply 700mA out of the box. Many car charger (such as those for the Nintendo DS) have built-in current limiters that prevent the device from drawing too much current.
1. Modify Your Charger: Open up the charger and look to see if D+ and D- are shorted. (They are the two middle pins on the standard size USB plug.) Modify your charger so that it shorts D+ and D-, and remove any pull-up or pull-down resistors that connect D+ and/or D- to power or ground.
2. Modify A Cable: Slice open a spare micro USB cable (or the cable from your charger), being careful not to damage the red or black wires. Cut the green and white wires (D+ and D-). Strip off a little bit of the insulation from the green and white wires that lead to the micro USB connector. Twist these wires together and wrap in electrical tape.
NOTE: This will prevent the cable from being used as a USB data transfer cable.
3. Buy a USB Charging Cable: Look for a special USB charging cable that already has D+ and D- shorted.
Q: If I buy or make a charging cable, can I get 600mA from a normal (bus-powered) USB port?
A: It depends. The USB spec says that a port can only supply 500mA max. There is usually an overcurrent monitor built into the port that will prevent an overcurrent condition. The OS will pop up a message telling you that you've exceeded the current sourcing capacity of the port.
There are some laptops, however that have ports that allow you to violate the USB spec and draw up to 1A from a port.
Use caution when experimenting.
Q: Can you tell how much current the device draws from the device?
A: No. You CAN, however, get a battery graphing app like Battery Graph.
http://www.appbrain.com/app/battery-...odroid.battery
If you set the monitoring interval to 1 minute and start charging your phone (which should be low on charge) with the wall charger, you'll see a battery curve. You can then repeat this process with your alternate charging method. If you compare the slopes of the charging curves, you'll be able to tell if your alternate charging method is performing the same as your wall charger.
It's not as quick as using a DMM, but it works. It's how I initially saw I was having a problem.
Q: How can you tell if your USB cable has D+/D- shorted?
A: 99% of all cables will not have the lines shorted. You have to buy a "charging cable". But if you are in doubt as to what cable is what, plug it into a PC's USB port. Either the PC will detect the device (not shorted), or you'll trip the USB port's overcurrent mode (shorted).
Or... You can buy a DMM and check the resistance between D+ and D-.
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Is there a way to display on the Epic how much current it is drawing? Or some other way to tell if the cable being used is D+/D- shorted?
Thank you. Very helpful.
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Is there a way to display on the Epic how much current it is drawing? Or some other way to tell if the cable being used is D+/D- shorted?
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Good questions!
Q: Can you tell how much current the device draws from the device?
A: No. You CAN, however, get a battery graphing app like Battery Graph.
http://www.appbrain.com/app/battery-graph/com.modroid.battery
If you set the monitoring interval to 1 minute and start charging your phone (which should be low on charge) with the wall charger, you'll see a battery curve. You can then repeat this process with your alternate charging method. If you compare the slopes of the charging curves, you'll be able to tell if your alternate charging method is performing the same as your wall charger.
It's not as quick as using a DMM, but it works. It's how I initially saw I was having a problem.
Q: How can you tell if your USB cable has D+/D- shorted?
A: 99% of all cables will not have the lines shorted. You have to buy a "charging cable". But if you are in doubt as to what cable is what, plug it into a PC's USB port. Either the PC will detect the device (not shorted), or you'll trip the USB port's overcurrent mode (shorted).
Or... You can buy a DMM and check the resistance between D+ and D-.
Awesome! Thanks for the info!
Oh, one more thing. Are you saying that the wall charger shorts D+ and D- at the plug? So any cable is essentially shorted when using the wall charger?
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jasonsf said:
Awesome! Thanks for the info!
Oh, one more thing. Are you saying that the wall charger shorts D+ and D- at the plug? So any cable is essentially shorted when using the wall charger?
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You are correct.
For the Epic, the wall charger shorts D+ and D- together.
For wall or car chargers that have a non-removable cable, 99% of the time the short will be inside the charger and NOT in the cable.
Every computer I've used gladly lets me draw 1A without complaints. My old TP was hacked to draw 1A and nothing complained. Didn't even damage the cheapest of the cheap ebay chargers.
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Every computer I've used gladly lets me draw 1A without complaints. My old TP was hacked to draw 1A and nothing complained. Didn't even damage the cheapest of the cheap ebay chargers.
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YMMV. My netbook prevents me from drawing more than 500mA per port.
It all depends on how the USB port circuit is laid out. In the designs I've seen, there's usually a power distribution switch (PDS) in-line with the port that provides overcurrent protection. When that switch trips, it sends a bit to the hub chip that tells the hub that the port is in overcurrent state. (The PDS's secondary function is short-circuit protection. If you stick a car key in your USB port, your computer won't blow up.)
PDS's come in different current cutoff steps, so it is up to the PC manufacturer to choose the right one.
If your PC can't supply the 600mA on a single port to charge the phone, buy one of those USB power splitter cables that lets you draw from 2 ports at once.
I have found that if you plug in the phone and the options for charging, mass storage and tethering pop up, then you are only charging at 380mA. If nothing pops up then you are most likely charging at 600mA.
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I have found that if you plug in the phone and the options for charging, mass storage and tethering pop up, then you are only charging at 380mA. If nothing pops up then you are most likely charging at 600mA.
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Ding! You are correct. I never noticed because you don't get prompted AT ALL if you have USB debugging turned on.
This is a little off topic. Does the usb cable initiate Dock Mode? I know some other phones use magnets in the dock, but I think I read that the Galaxy S phones detect the car or home dock via the USB cable. Did you discover a mechanism for this in your usb research?
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This is a little off topic. Does the usb cable initiate Dock Mode? I know some other phones use magnets in the dock, but I think I read that the Galaxy S phones detect the car or home dock via the USB cable. Did you discover a mechanism for this in your usb research?
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No... I didn't find anything. Maybe I'll "rent" a dock from the Sprint store and find out.
Very nice write up. Answered all the questions I had about the slow charging of this phone. Thanks again.
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I am getting substantially faster charges with a 1amp charger than the oem 700, it looks like it is using close to the 1000 ma on some chargers.
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I am getting substantially faster charges with a 1amp charger than the oem 700, it looks like it is using close to the 1000 ma on some chargers.
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I'll have to pay attention to mine. I started using the 1 amp charger that came with my Touch Pro. I charge it overnight so I don't pay attention to how fast it is charging, but I'll see if I can notice tonight.
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I am getting substantially faster charges with a 1amp charger than the oem 700, it looks like it is using close to the 1000 ma on some chargers.
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Which chargers? I'll be happy to try any charger that you recommend.
I haven't tested charging by timing the charges, but I have installed a widget that tells me an approximate charge rate called currentwidget, and it gives me the EXACT same values for a 700 ma charger or a 1000 ma charger. Unless this widget is just straight up lying, the phone won't charge any faster than a 700 ma charger no matter how large of a charger you throw at it.
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2. Modify A Cable: Slice open a spare micro USB cable (or the cable from your charger), being careful not to damage the red or black wires. Cut the green and white wires (D+ and D-). Strip off a little bit of the insulation from the green and white wires that lead to the micro USB connector. Twist these wires together and wrap in electrical tape.
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I was going to suggest just taping over the data pins in the USB connector (obviously, the regular, non-micro end), but I just tried it and it still popped up the Charging/Mass Storage/Tether, though selecting Mass Storage doesn't work -- the device is not detected by the computer for obvious reasons. I've been using this trick for a while for my mp3 player and my Hero at work and was surprised that it didn't work.
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I was going to suggest just taping over the data pins in the USB connector (obviously, the regular, non-micro end), but I just tried it and it still popped up the Charging/Mass Storage/Tether, though selecting Mass Storage doesn't work -- the device is not detected by the computer for obvious reasons. I've been using this trick for a while for my mp3 player and my Hero at work and was surprised that it didn't work.
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No, you need to short those pins together. If you leave them open, it won't go into high-current charge mode.
Those other devices may have had D+ and D- connected across a termination resistor. Putting tape on the pins would have worked then.
IBNobody- I was wondering if you could explain this one- when I plug my epic into the usb port of the cheap charger that came with 2 batteries off of ebay (see here) my epic seems to freeze and the touch screen becomes unresponsive- the charger states it puts out 5.2V 800ma
Could it be that the phone is trying to figure out if its being plugged into a computer vs a simple charger?
It is known that if the data lines on the USB line are shorted together then the phone will charge at the full 1000mA rate.
If they are not shorted together, then the phone will charge at the slow 500mA rate.
I have a lot of apple house and car chargers. These apple chargers use some resistance value between the data lines to work with apple products. As so my phone treats them as a USB type charge (500mA) instead of an AC charge (1000mA).
I know I can rip a couple cords up and make them fast charge only by shorting the lines outside of the charger. This would make the cord ghetto with electrical tape.
Where can I buy a "fast charge adapter cord" premade? I've seen them on amazon but they disappeared. I am looking for like a 3 or 6 inch USB male to female cord, where the DATA lines are shorted on the female side, very simple.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1772276 some info here. :good:
Im pretty sure any OEM samsung usb cable will do the trick.
Oh yeah, just do an amazon search on charge only usb cable and you'll find something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Charge-PureGear-Retail-Package-Universal/dp/B007F1DV76
I know you can close off the data line via phone but that requires the kernel to have ac force support which enables the USB to run at full amperage and havent seen those yet on our side.
Isn't there an option to fast charge in CM and AOKP so you don't have to buy a chord? Or does that option not work?
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Where to find an android fast charge cable
stupid forum won't let me post the URL... Dangerous Things has a "fast charge" cable capable of putting your android device in AC charging mode. Google dangerous things android fast charge cable to find it.
ishmell said:
stupid forum won't let me post the URL... Dangerous Things has a "fast charge" cable capable of putting your android device in AC charging mode. Google dangerous things android fast charge cable to find it.
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Why did you bump a year old thread?
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usb fast-charging
Find the appropriate charging cable to fit your phone, tablet, or computer. The USB end of the cable has four interfaces within the cable. The two outside pins are for power and the two interior pins are for data. For converting a standard cable to fast-charging, simply remove the interior pins from the USB side of your cable. I used a small knife to pry up the pins and a small set of needle-nosed pliers to get rid of them. Wahhlahh!!! A fast charging USB cable.
How can I enable fast/quick charge ability on Nexus 5. I notice that with the OEM cable I get fast charge on my wall outlet but if I plug in any other cable it doesn't charge at more than 500mA. Is there anyway I can make it fast charge with any cable or is there a cable that I can use that is longer than the OEM one that will put the phone in fast charge? I use CurrentBattery widget to determine the current.
Thank You.
Custom kernel is the way to enable it.
What ^ said
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Milocha said:
How can I enable fast/quick charge ability on Nexus 5. I notice that with the OEM cable I get fast charge on my wall outlet but if I plug in any other cable it doesn't charge at more than 500mA. Is there anyway I can make it fast charge with any cable or is there a cable that I can use that is longer than the OEM one that will put the phone in fast charge? I use CurrentBattery widget to determine the current.
Thank You.
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[FAQ] Charger mod, howto USB fast charge.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844284
Get yourself a short USB extender wire, male at one end, female at the other.
Cut the wire in half.
Connect the red and black wires up as they were before (or don't cut them in step 1).
On the Female side of the wire connect the green and white wires together.
On the Male side of the wire simply leave the green and white wires connected to nothing.
Insulate the ends of all of the wires with insulating tape.
Tie a knot in the wire so if the wire is pulled the knot is pulled and not the connection you made, it doesn't look pretty but the wire will last a lifetime this way.
Hi, for some testing purpose i wanna supply current to my mobile phone using micro usb cable but without traditional charging adapter. Inside micro usb cable i see 4 colored -white, black, green and red wires. So The red wire is a positive power wire with 5 volts of DC power.The black wire is the ground wire (similar to most all electronic devices).The white wire is a "positive" data wire.The green wire is a "negative" data wire.
So my question is should i use red+white wires for positive charge supply and black + green wire for ground?