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hi friends. the topic says it all. but here is the catch.
i have to go on a trip. its my first time ever out of the country so i really need a great CAMERA PHONE.
i know 808 sweeps floor with Both S4 and S3 for its camera performance but i still need an idea from u guys, cause u guys are the best
i have owned S3 and its camera is great. but not a good low light performer. its THE GREATEST PHONE for sure. and S4 will not be available till end of this month.i really need to decide within like 2 days to go for any set.
are there any friends here who owned 808 and S3 together? cause i have never used 808 but every read only good about its camera.
pls suggest me. i will not go for 920 cause windows phone sucks! well, Symbian sucks ever worse but its camera is comparable to DSLRs so im asking just to confirm from u guys.
i expect good and sincere help cause i love xda
*EDIT* and one more question what can be the price of used 808 as i have no idea at all about its resale
thanks in advance for ur time and help
aami.aami said:
i have to go on a trip. its my first time ever out of the country so i really need a great CAMERA PHONE.
i know 808 sweeps floor with Both S4 and S3 for its camera performance but i still need an idea from u guys, cause u guys are the best
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Haven't you answered your own question???
Questions should go to the proper forum section, but we have camera discussions here too.
With that said, not to leave you without an answer, the PureView 808 is obviously the best camera phone on the market. The good news about the GS4 is however that it does awesome good light photos which at 13MPs are good for digital zooming or later cutting which is usually a problem with phones (no optical zoom). The bad news is that, despite improving tremendously, absolute dark shots are still problematic, and if half your shots are taken during nights or very limited lights, the Lumia 920 is the one to choose. If 80% of your shots are taken in low but not dark conditions, average lights and ideal scenery, the GS4 is an excellent all-around performer for a phone.
But you can judge the quality for yourself over this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2213853
price of a used around 320-350$ for now
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pls suggest me. i will not go for 920 cause windows phone sucks! well, Symbian sucks ever worse but its camera is comparable to DSLRs so im asking just to confirm from u guys.
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No, its not comparable to a DSLR, but its much better then the S3/S4 and all the other phones. If you want a good low light phone, go for the 808/920 or htc one.
But if you want to shoot REALLY NICE pictures, you should get a dslr.
For example the Sony Alpha 57: currently avaible for 440€ in Germany. The supplied objective is ok but you can improve the quality with an alternative one.
All the phones avaible ARE NOT WORTH COMPARING WITH A GOOD DSLR!
None. If you are going on a trip, you should get a DSLR.
Symbian sucks ever worse but its camera is comparable to DSLRs
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I am sure you have never handled a DSLR. Don't spread FUD here.
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None. If you are going on a trip, you should get a DSLR.
I am sure you have never handled a DSLR. Don't spread FUD here.
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thanks to all of u guys for such quick and great responses!!
and dude i said "COMPARABLE" quality to DSLR
here, see for urself:
http://www.gsmarena.com/pureview_blind_test-review-773p2.php
and BTW, Olympus E-PL2 is a mid range DSLR! and 808 beat that!
and here,
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview_low_light-review-775.php
it is said that, "The Nokia 808 PureView is on its march to becoming iconic, trashing the Olympus PEN E-PL2 Micro Four Thirds camera in our blind test and then matching the Canon 5D Mark III for resolution in the process."
so yeah... it does have Great sensor with great performance...
and i have chosen to go for it
aami.aami said:
thanks to all of u guys for such quick and great responses!!
and dude i said "COMPARABLE" quality to DSLR
here, see for urself:
http://www.gsmarena.com/pureview_blind_test-review-773p2.php
and BTW, Olympus E-PL2 is a mid range DSLR! and 808 beat that!
and here,
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview_low_light-review-775.php
it is said that, "The Nokia 808 PureView is on its march to becoming iconic, trashing the Olympus PEN E-PL2 Micro Four Thirds camera in our blind test and then matching the Canon 5D Mark III for resolution in the process."
so yeah... it does have Great sensor with great performance...
and i have chosen to go for it
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Technically, Olympus E-PL2 is not a DSLR. It's a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera.
And "Micro Four Thirds" should have told you the size of the sensor. Compare this to a size of a typical APS-C sensor.
If I am looking to take photos, I would rather get a typical DSLR.
Matching 5D Mark III in photography? I would better ask the editor to get his eyes checked. 808 is neither good phone, not a good camera. It's much better than typical mobile camera, but can't be compared to a good DSLR. It even worse than a point n shoot like RX100.
I don't need photography lessons from blind test in GSMArena.
808 is comparable to my 5D mark III? Please. I'll advise you to stick with your current phone and get something like Canon 650D or 60D.
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aami.aami said:
pls suggest me. i will not go for 920 cause windows phone sucks! well, Symbian sucks ever worse but its camera is comparable to DSLRs so im asking just to confirm from u guys.
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If you just want the best camera but not the window phone based phone, why not try HTC One which owns the ultrapixal camera.But note that the best camera on smartphone is still the pureview camera on Nokia Lumia 920. And the windows phone system don't sucks like what you imagined.
Dannyada1988 said:
why not try HTC One which owns the ultrapixal camera..
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If 2 micron is ultrapilxel, what do you call a 5 micron? Elephant-pixel or dragon-pixel?
I wonder if you know that even a 6 year old phone like Nokia N95 had a bigger sensor and bigger pixel-size. In 2007 they had a phone with 1/2.5 inch sensor and 2.2 micron pixel pitch.
Don't remember anyone calling it ultrapixel!
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If 2 micron is ultrapilxel, what do you call a 5 micron? Elephant-pixel or dragon-pixel?
I wonder if you know that even a 6 year old phone like Nokia N95 had a bigger sensor and bigger pixel-size. In 2007 they had a phone with 1/2.5 inch sensor and 2.2 micron pixel pitch.
Don't remember anyone calling it ultrapixel!
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ultrapixel is just a marketing term aka a name. is it so hard to understand that? HTC figured that it would be rather embarrasing to sell a flagship with only 4MP on board so they coined this term.
Its like apple coined the retina display term. theres nothing to do with retina there. its just a name.
And how big fat and heavy was that n95? 808 is best cameraphone out there but nokia coundnt sell it. people dont want fat phones anymore. not most people.
Seems like you don't want a dslr. If you want REALLY GOOD picture quality and that's all you care about you could still get a decent digital non-dlsr camera which is much smaller than a dslr. I mean you already got a decent phone anyways so why throw so much money on 808 that's got nothing but a camera? Better spend something like $350 on a decent camera with superb quality. That price range can already get you something much better than any smartphone camera's
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joslicx said:
ultrapixel is just a marketing term aka a name. is it so hard to understand that?
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Captain Obvious strikes back with vengeance.
i know it very clear 808 just cant compete with DSLRs but u should give the credit where it is due. 808 does compete with some of the low end DSLRs and i said LOW END!!
and 920 is only better than 808 in terms of steady videos cause of its OIS and thats it!
808 captures true colors and u can get the punchier colors while chossing vivid mode or increasing the contrast
i just wish, GOD just WWWIIIISSSSHHH that HTC had used some high quality and higher pixel count sensor in ONE! that would have been awesome!
ultra pixel of HTC ONE is like the 12MP sensor of N8 when it was introduced years ago! and then Nokia perfected that with 808. i was literally hoping a great phone from HTC this year at least, but alas... Ultrapixel should be evolved and it definitely would be, into something comparable to what Nokia did with 808!
now my current wish is Nokia choses to go Android and introduce Pureview Phase 3 phone with FHD screen and camera with double the performance of 808... (just a wish )
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_1020-5506.php
Just a little overkill on the camera though.
If only it has an SD card, it would probably have been the best phone this year.
inbefore android fanboys: Windows phone doesn't need quad core CPU.
mcosmin222 said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_1020-5506.php
Just a little overkill on the camera though.
If only it has an SD card, it would probably have been the best phone this year.
inbefore android fanboys: Windows phone doesn't need quad core CPU.
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Read up on that camera. It's not overkill by any means.
And I'm thinking of switching from my One to it. I've been waiting forever for that camera to make to the states.
OGhoul said:
Read up on that camera. It's not overkill by any means.
And I'm thinking of switching from my One to it. I've been waiting forever for that camera to make to the states.
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My biggest concern is the lack of a microSD card slot. If I take my HTC One as a general reference, with apps, system files, music, a video or two, I'm looking at around 250 RAW pictures in 41MP.
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My biggest concern is the lack of a microSD card slot. If I take my HTC One as a general reference, with apps, system files, music, a video or two, I'm looking at around 250 RAW pictures in 41MP.
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The size in MP of the camera is not equal to the actual size of the photos.
They are encoded after the picture is taken and the actual size will be a lot smaller.
For instance, my 8MP lumia 800 makes 1.2MB pictures.
On top of that, windows phone apps tend to be smaller in size. Unless you plan to install like 200 apps, you should be fine with 32GB of space.
There's no point storing RAW on the phone (assuming it can even shoot it). Shooting in RAW is useful for post-processing, but if you care enough about image quality to shoot in RAW, you're not going to be doing your post-proc on a phone anyhow. Download to the PC and clear the space.
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The size in MP of the camera is not equal to the actual size of the photos.
They are encoded after the picture is taken and the actual size will be a lot smaller.
For instance, my 8MP lumia 800 makes 1.2MB pictures.
On top of that, windows phone apps tend to be smaller in size. Unless you plan to install like 200 apps, you should be fine with 32GB of space.
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I probably should of explained a little better where I got the 250 pictures from.
I am basing this off of RAW12 uncompressed 12 bits/pixel - Bayer mask, on average a file size is gonna be around 57.6 MB (based upon this calculator)
Lets say you have 15GB left after all your apps, music, and videos. 15GB x 1000 / 57.6 = 260
You can definitely take pictures in jpg format and that will increase the amount of pictures you can take, but with a 41MP camera why would you =\
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http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_1020-5506.php
it would probably have been the best phone this year.
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lol funny joke there.
Any phone with WP on it would not get best phone of the year title.
FinancialWar said:
lol funny joke there.
Any phone with WP on it would not get best phone of the year title.
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heh i was wondering when the trolls show up.
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heh i was wondering when the trolls show up.
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You were expecting trolls when you make a troll thread lol.
Best WP phone maybe, best phone lol ..
Nokia if Nokia used Android, added SD card slot and removable battery. That might, just might be the best phone of the years.
Downsampling!
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I probably should of explained a little better where I got the 250 pictures from.
I am basing this off of RAW12 uncompressed 12 bits/pixel - Bayer mask, on average a file size is gonna be around 57.6 MB (based upon this calculator)
Lets say you have 15GB left after all your apps, music, and videos. 15GB x 1000 / 57.6 = 260
You can definitely take pictures in jpg format and that will increase the amount of pictures you can take, but with a 41MP camera why would you =\
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I don't think you get the 41 MP camera. It is all about oversampling not making 41 MP images. Look at the 8 MP JPEGS that come out of the camera. They blow the 8 MP JPEGS from other phones out of the water. The main intent of this phone is not to take 41 MP RAWs. I'm not even sure it outputs RAW files and while it can output an ultra high megapixel file most of the time people with just output a sane 8 MP file.
Not sure why this is complicated.
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I don't think you get the 41 MP camera. It is all about oversampling not making 41 MP images. Look at the 8 MP JPEGS that come out of the camera. They blow the 8 MP JPEGS from other phones out of the water. The main intent of this phone is not to take 41 MP RAWs. I'm not even sure it outputs RAW files and while it can output an ultra high megapixel file most of the time people with just output a sane 8 MP file.
Not sure why this is complicated.
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No I fully understand what you mean. Oversampling can solve even the digital zoom issue that phone camera has due to the lack of digital zoom. I guess my biggest grip is if you have the tech in there why not give it the ability to take pictures in RAW and throw a microSD card slot in it? Does it really up the price that much? Or maybe size constraint? Maybe I am just asking for too much. The phone is amazing none the less though.
Update: Looks like there might be a possible 64GB version
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No I fully understand what you mean. Oversampling can solve even the digital zoom issue that phone camera has due to the lack of digital zoom. I guess my biggest grip is if you have the tech in there why not give it the ability to take pictures in RAW and throw a microSD card slot in it? Does it really up the price that much? Or maybe size constraint? Maybe I am just asking for too much. The phone is amazing none the less though.
Update: Looks like there might be a possible 64GB version
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Do we actually know what the pro camera will do? Seeing the device has 2 GB of RAM (which is more than enough compared to what WP8 ever needs), and a special camera app, maybe there will actually be an option to have the raw picture saved instead of the compressed one.
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I probably should of explained a little better where I got the 250 pictures from.
I am basing this off of RAW12 uncompressed 12 bits/pixel - Bayer mask, on average a file size is gonna be around 57.6 MB (based upon this calculator)
Lets say you have 15GB left after all your apps, music, and videos. 15GB x 1000 / 57.6 = 260
You can definitely take pictures in jpg format and that will increase the amount of pictures you can take, but with a 41MP camera why would you =\
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It wont output RAW, RAW is handy as has been mentioned but the reality is anyone with any knowledge and experience of using RAW will be using it on the DSLR, not a camera phone.
The other part to the argument of not doing post proc on RAW files on the phone is that even if it were possible, the phone would be crippled doing the work. I have a i7-970 that will take a few moments editing a RAW file, the file system is actually the bottle neck and on a phone both are even slower, can you imagine even taking a 50+MB file within any sensible time frame and then editing it. Blimey even my DSLR takes a moment to dump a RAW file!
For most shots I generally use Jpeg anyway, or a combo of them both, if the shot is good then there is little need for post proc so jpeg usually suffices
Remember the 7 Ps (stolen from a legendary military saying)
Proper Preparation and Planning Prevent Piss Poor Photos
you can always upload to skydrive. I think for me the camera is a little overkill. I'd rather go with the nokia 925. Im not really THAT big into taking pictures. And those of you complaining about space, just take pictures with a real camera. Or download the pics to your pc or up to skydrive if space is tight.
What If...
Good Morning!
I for myself is looking forward to buy another "potential" nokia phones. When I said "potential", I meant, What if, given the possiblity of the history of every windows mobile phone which is modded, upgraded, to different ROM, with all the talented ROM cooker from this forum, What if Nokia 1020, modded to run android. I really am believe that this phone will be modded into an android phone. It has happened before remember the legen...dary HTC HD2, it runs originally windows mobile to android to miui to back again windows mobile.
If this ever happen, that Nokia 1020 will be selling like hotcakes. I for sure will be buying this Nokia 1020, while I dont mind it is runing wp, but I will definitly exited if its run android.
a good phone, the windows will be a good competitor to other brands
Looks great from the presentation, I always said if the 920 was android I would purchase.
Also an MicroSD would have been a bonus.
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Good Morning!
I for myself is looking forward to buy another "potential" nokia phones. When I said "potential", I meant, What if, given the possiblity of the history of every windows mobile phone which is modded, upgraded, to different ROM, with all the talented ROM cooker from this forum, What if Nokia 1020, modded to run android. I really am believe that this phone will be modded into an android phone. It has happened before remember the legen...dary HTC HD2, it runs originally windows mobile to android to miui to back again windows mobile.
If this ever happen, that Nokia 1020 will be selling like hotcakes. I for sure will be buying this Nokia 1020, while I dont mind it is runing wp, but I will definitly exited if its run android.
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the hd2 will never happen again, the planets aligned to get that to happen and now the market is saturated with different hardware with devs spread across the board. Sorry folks but the chances of it happening are about as close to zero as you can get add in the fact that the lumia will be running unique hardware with specific WP drivers an you have a almost guaranteed non starter.
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Lumia 1020 official ringtones
The official Nokia Lumia 1020 ringtones (+ other tones) have already been leaked at Nokia Sound cloud page [source].
ignorant haters gtfo. the 41mp cam with all its technology isn't overkill, its setting a new standard in technology, marketing by true quality. Nokia did manages to do what Samsung / Apple can't and here fanboys are already jealous of it calling it overkill, then when Samdung / crapple does it, it became a neccessity? Please at least watch the lumia 1020 announcement before making a fool of yourself.
Having able to shoot good photo from a phone is by no means overkill.
But then in GSMArena.com WiFi hotspot is not listed as one of the features? even their older phone has it.:silly: I hope the spec sheet is inaccurate here.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy A70 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Compared to the camera of the 3 years old S8+ (my wife's mobile), I find the camera of the A70 very very weak.
takes good pictures in bright light, however, once your light levels get lower the quality is bad (very grainy)
Is there any app one can suggest to use the sensor better? i find the camera modes not using the sensor to full capacity
i found that ALL the apps i tried see the sensor as 8 Mpix only
All the photo apps I have found show the main camera to be 8 mpix, this is due to Samsung using pixel binning which combines 4 pixels into 1 large pixel to try and improve low light pictures. So 32 divided by 4 gives 8 mpix images and all the apps including the gcam apk only see 8 mpix. Even raw mode apps such as light room show 8 mpix and produce around 15 mpix raw images. I have just seen a youtube review of the new xiaomi note 10 with a 108 mpix camera that pixel bins down to 27 mpix but interestingly has the ability to take a full 108 mpix image, although the images are not as good as the pixel binned ones I assume it would allow for full raw images to be taken which could be edited in light room. So the xiaomi is advertised as 108 and has the option for 108 images. The a70 is advertised as 32 with no way to take a 32 image imho this is false advertising, I am not aware of an app that allows pixel binning to be turned off but the xiaomi shows it can be done. What is needed is someone to develop an app to turn it off or like gcam develop the xiaomi camera app to use on other phones including the ability to use the full resolution. If anyone does know how to turn pixel binning off please comment. I do love the phone but the camera is the weakest aspect.
I didn't buy this phone for the camera. The phone was half the price of a Pixel device. The camera is an upgrade over my previous device which has a camera from 2014. I agree the A70 is not even in the same league as the devices that cost more. I recommend using the money saved and buy a standalone camera if you are serious about photography. I can overlook this flaw because I don't take a lot of pictures.
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All the photo apps I have found show the main camera to be 8 mpix, this is due to Samsung using pixel binning which combines 4 pixels into 1 large pixel to try and improve low light pictures. So 32 divided by 4 gives 8 mpix images and all the apps including the gcam apk only see 8 mpix. Even raw mode apps such as light room show 8 mpix and produce around 15 mpix raw images. I have just seen a youtube review of the new xiaomi note 10 with a 108 mpix camera that pixel bins down to 27 mpix but interestingly has the ability to take a full 108 mpix image, although the images are not as good as the pixel binned ones I assume it would allow for full raw images to be taken which could be edited in light room. So the xiaomi is advertised as 108 and has the option for 108 images. The a70 is advertised as 32 with no way to take a 32 image imho this is false advertising, I am not aware of an app that allows pixel binning to be turned off but the xiaomi shows it can be done. What is needed is someone to develop an app to turn it off or like gcam develop the xiaomi camera app to use on other phones including the ability to use the full resolution. If anyone does know how to turn pixel binning off please comment. I do love the phone but the camera is the weakest aspect.
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You can use full 32mb mode. In the camera app you see 3:4 , change it to the one that has 3:4H
Well back camera is ok - but front ? ... am I wrong - doesn't it have autofocus ? Is that possible ?
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You can use full 32mb mode. In the camera app you see 3:4 , change it to the one that has 3:4H
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Hi the 3x4h setting produces an 8mb image pixel binned from the 32mb lens, if you check the size of the images they are 4 to 6mb, they should be 4x as big with a 32mb lens. There is currently no way to get a full 32mb image either jpeg or raw, thats why all the camera apps show a max res of 8mb.
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Hi the 3x4h setting produces an 8mb image pixel binned from the 32mb lens, if you check the size of the images they are 4 to 6mb, they should be 4x as big with a 32mb lens. There is currently no way to get a full 32mb image either jpeg or raw, thats why all the camera apps show a max res of 8mb.
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When I chose the 3:4H mode in the stock camera I get images with a resolution of 6528x4896 which is 32mp.
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When I chose the 3:4H mode in the stock camera I get images with a resolution of 6528x4896 which is 32mp.
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Hi, Swizzy, the a70 camera pixel binns at 4 to 1, once the image is taken at 6528x4896 the processing combines 4 pixels to 1 increasing the pixel size to improve low light, this gives a finished image quater the size hence 8mp.
Check the gcam port thread and the comments people made about gcam only showing the main camera as 8mp.
Install gcam 6.2
I use default camera only for ultrawide and to use depht sensor on objects
samsung phones have the worst quality/price ratio. ?
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my iphone 5s 6 years old, takes better pictures.
Marcury said:
Compared to the camera of the 3 years old S8+ (my wife's mobile), I find the camera of the A70 very very weak.
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Camera is not weak, even if is good light. But keep in mind this is mid range. Older S8+ is flagship in which was added the best what was that time. So it's normal that Samsung S8+ maybe doing better photo, how u writing. But I have Samsung A70 and I can say for daily personal usage it is enough good quality and is not a shame to share it for others people, friends. Yes in bad light photo have a little bit noise. Keep in mind and fact that this is not professional camera, noise doing S8+ too. Noise at all is not good thing and with this facing a lot of smartphone and it doesn't matter which status it is: mid range or flagship, but that's why this phone or any newest other (probably, i'm not sure about very cheap mid range) have night mode which doing a little bit better photo as normal mode. Also, maybe my requirements is not so big as yours for camera, but a lot of experts, owners said that this is pretty good camera in generally. Photo is enough detailed and bright if you don't zooming it too much. If say honest strange thing is too take photo and zoom it a lot of at all. I looking into normal photo and don't looking for convergences of pixels, details
I found in youtube S8+ vs A70 camera compare (it is not yours? ), so maybe this will help to see others better and do not trust just yours negative opinion about this phone's camera (without fact that in bad light photo is really not good and have a little bit noises if say softy)
Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpvpPzRnpog
My opinion in this video S8+ doing too colored photo. I like photo in which is real colors, but is not too much bolded. Red looks like creepy red, too much red here as possible to see. That's artificial, not real image. Brightness is enough the same from both models, of course there is some fusions in photo taken with Samsung A70, but these fusions most time is see when you zooming a lot of photo or doing that with camera as I mentioned. Then details is with noise a little bit, But I really don't know where did you found weakness in A70 camera (sounds from you like A70 photo is very bad what is not true my opinion and how I saw from others about this phone ), my opinion as I mentioned A70 doing enough good photo. I'm not professional photographer, but I seeing into phone camera not like in professional device with which you can do very impressive quality photo - even in night or when is bad light, so maybe that's why my strictness is not so big as probably yours. Also keep in mind most mobile camera in bad light doing photo with noise, S8+ is not exception as I mentioned too and S8+ is flagship. So maybe compare S8+ with S9 or better S10???
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Well back camera is ok - but front ? ... am I wrong - doesn't it have autofocus ? Is that possible ?
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Samsung A70 haven't auto focus: Front Camera - Auto Focus - No, see in Samsung web site https://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphones/galaxy-a70/SM-A705FZKUBTU/
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samsung phones have the worst quality/price ratio. ?
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my iphone 5s 6 years old, takes better pictures.
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I disagree. Sony than from afar does not match with Samsung's mid range or Samsung smartphones at all. For example: in my location is selling now Sony Xperia 10 Plus (price 360 euros) and Samsung A70 (price 337 - 350), the same shop, but Samsung A70 different colors have a little bit different prices. So prices is almost the same, right? But let's see what is inside phones:
Source: https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9646&idPhone2=9591
SHORT COMPARE
XPERIA 10 PLUS:
IPS LCD capacitive touchscreen. 1080 x 2520 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~422 ppi density). Corning Gorilla Glass 5. Qualcomm SDM636 Snapdragon 636 (14 nm). Octa-core (4x1.8 GHz Kryo 260 Gold & 4x1.6 GHz Kryo 260 Silver). 64GB 4GB RAM, 64GB 6GB RAM. 12 MP, f/1.8, 27mm (wide), 1/2.8", 1.25µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.4, 53mm (telephoto), 1/4", 1.12µm, PDAF, 2x optical zoom. [email protected], [email protected] 8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm. A-GPS, GLONASS. Non-removable Li-Ion 3000 mAh battery. Fast battery charging 18W.
TEST result: Basemark OS II: 2159 / Basemark OS II 2.0: 1764 Basemark X: 15035
SAMSUNG A70:
Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen. 1080 x 2400 pixels, 20:9 ratio (~393 ppi density). Corning Gorilla Glass 3 (strange decision from Samsung, but... we have what we have). Qualcomm SDM675 Snapdragon 675 (11 nm). Octa-core (2x2.0 GHz Kryo 460 Gold & 6x1.7 GHz Kryo 460 Silver). 128GB 6GB RAM, 128GB 8GB RAM (Sony don't adding even in flagship 8GB RAM memory - shame). 32 MP, f/1.7, 26mm (wide), 1/2.8", 0.8µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.2, 12mm (ultrawide), 1/4.0", 1.12µm, 5 MP, f/2.2, (wide), 1/5.0", 1.12µm, depth sensor. [email protected], [email protected]/240fps. 32 MP, f/2.0, 26mm (wide), 1/2.8", 0.8µm. A-GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO, BDS. Non-removable Li-Po 4500 mAh battery. Fast battery charging 25W.
TEST result: Basemark OS II: 2814 / Basemark OS II 2.0: 2737 Basemark X: 19341
This is not all specifications, but my opinion most important in smartphone. As you can see in most thing Samsung A70 is much more better as Sony which have biggest price a little bit, but looks much more worst as Samsung. I agree if you want to say that Chinese manufacturers making better smartphone for the same prices, yes i could buy Xiaomi Mi 9T, which in my location from the same shop cost 328 euros. But Xioami Mi9T:
1. Is Chinese smartphone. I have Xiaomi (Amazfit smart watch), so i know how they like to do a lot of bugs in software and how hard to fix it, to present world wide features, but most of them do not add in international versions.
2. Amazfit's, which is part of Xioami, support is very bad, agents looks like assholes from child's garden. But maybe with Xioami this problem is not exit, some saying it different support quality, but after smart watch i don't trust this company anymore. Even when is a lot of bugs in watch and so hard they fixing it.
3. This is compare of all these models https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9646&idPhone2=9591&idPhone3=9738#diff- in which you can see that Xioami Mi9T is a little more powerfull smartphone compare with these models (Qualcomm SDM730 Snapdragon 730 (8 nm), Octa-core (2x2.2 GHz Kryo 470 Gold & 6x1.8 GHz Kryo 470 Silver), Adreno 618), but i heard that apps like to force close often, maybe it's already fixed, but... also haven't memory card which for me is very important. Camera in Xioami Mi9T is much more better as Samsung A70 (48 MP, f/1.8, 26mm (wide), 1/2.0", 0.8µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.4, 53mm (telephoto), 1/4.0", 1.12µm, PDAF, 2x optical zoom, 13 MP, f/2.4, 12mm (ultrawide), 1/3.1", 1.12µm), also recording is [email protected], [email protected]/120/240fps, [email protected], included steady shot. But battery is only Non-removable Li-Po 4000 mAh battery with only Fast battery charging 18W. So i disagree that Samsung compare quality and price is bad, coz Sony here looks much more worst and even compare with Xiaomi Samsung is not so bad. Some specifications better have Xioami, some Samsung. Which by the way is very important to me.
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the a70 camera pixel binns at 4 to 1
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Ahem, no. Just no.
I agree with all who say that photo quality is terrible. I had an S8, the pictures taken with that looked very good out of the box. The picture processing on the A70 is just awful:
-It oversharpens way too much, especially in low light, the sharpening halos are painful to look at
-It does overly aggressive noise reduction which results in a serious lack of detail. Even by just zooming in a little bit it becomes clear that however the image looks "sharp" in 0% magnification there are literally no details captured as they are killed by the noise reduction
One other thing I don't really understand, is that the standard camera resolution is 4032x3024=12,1k=12 Megapixels. How can it be 12 megapixels, if the quad-bayer arrangement should result in 32/4=8 Megapixels, as the Gcam records in? If somebody could explain this i would be really happy.
I actually compared the photos from the A70 with my old (still working good) galaxy s5, and i was shocked, as in many scenarios the S5 actually produced much more detailed and vibrant pictures. That's when I decided to try the GCAM. I'm so happy right now, as this actually brings up the A70 camera quality to the level of the Galaxy s8 which I had previously as a company phone. With the GCAM the pictures are looking flagship-camera like with details properly captured, white balance is spot on (stock camera messes that up too, it takes too warm pictures almost in all scenarios), and the dynamic range is excellent too. And most importantly, there is no hideous oversharpening going on with the GCAM.
I'll link the images soon when i have a chance to upload them.
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Ahem, no. Just no.
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Can you elaborate on that? I just wrote a comment, let me quote the respective part:
"One other thing I don't really understand, is that the standard camera resolution is 4032x3024=12,1k=12 Megapixels. How can it be 12 megapixels, if the quad-bayer arrangement should result in 32/4=8 Megapixels, as the Gcam records in? If somebody could explain this i would be really happy."
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8mp interpolated to 32mp
what the hell is binning?
it is good old interpolation
this is an awful phone, awful camera quality, (because of an awful sensor)
no software support, one ui 1.0 is far worse than its rivals.
they marketed the one ui 2.0 and android 10 updates, but they are constantly postponed... to an unknown date...
because the lier company is busy with releasing other crap phones (like the a71, 51 vsvs)
they do not have any respect to the old customers, they just flood market
by flood marketing, every 3-4 months they release 3-4 new crap models, they are almost the same hardware as the older models.
they have many marketing lies, and they hope to fool more new customers by these marketing lies.
Yep the camera is terrible.
I was hoping they would do something via updates - but no.
I love the screen, size is great for me. Performance is good for my use, battery good. In screen finger print sensor is sub par but I can put up with it.
But the camera - oh dear - it's not as if the phone is a cheap and nasty phone - but the pictures it takes look like it is....
In most respects it's the best phone I have ever had (I don't do flag ships) - but they camera!!
I think you get the picture (pun intended).
Cheers
I posted an article on samsung community with pictures to compare the stock cam to gcam in lower light conditions. Also, I explain how the 32 megapixel sensor ends up shooting 12 MPG photos with "pixel binning". Let me quickly sum that up here as more people were asking this:
The 32MP camera is used in pixel binning mode, that results in a 8 MP shot (4 pixels are grouped as 1), AND the software actually UPSCALES that 8 MP shot to 12 by basically stretching the image with some AI quality retain helping process. What the actual hell. So yeah. Basically this phone takes 8 megapixel photos, which are then enlarged to 12.
I would have never thought that samsung would pull something as cheap as this on their customers. I'm now at a point that I'm going to use this phone for now, as it was basically free when I joined a phone fleet, but when it will come to my money, I will never opt for a samsung again. This is a shame btw, as the phone itself is not bad actually. Screen is epic, the battery is killer, and oneUI is actually very good, seems quite fluent and polished. Unfortunately the photo quality is not only bad thing (WIFI download speed is sluggish, touchscreen has sensitivity and touch registering issues, and fingerprint sensor is very unreliable), but the most ridiculous is the camera by far.
Below is my topic for the photo quality.
https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5...xy-A70-Camera-performance-issues/td-p/1565446
Cheers.
The more i read about the Motorola Edge 20 Fusion, i more i want to buy it, but there is a piece of information which i would like to make sense of.
The phone comes with a 108MP main shooter, but the phone's MediaTek Dimensity 800U SoC only supports cameras upto 64MP.
I need to understand what this means in a technical sense:
Will the phone, using either the default camera app or some other app, for eg. OpenCamera, be able to shoot 108MP images?
If not, are (108 - 64 = )36 megapixels just going to be dummies which won't be used at all?
If the whole sensor is going to be used, how is the SoC going to handle the raw data from the sensor? Will the SoC process the raw data in parts?
Is this going to keep the 108MP sensor from realising its full potential?
I am not basing my buying decision on the camera's megapixel count, it may be a marketing gimmick anyways. I know that megapixel count doesn't always translate to picture quality. My current phone, a Motorola G5S Plus has a 13MP rear cam and that megapixel count is enough for me. I am basically going for this phone for the screen and the stock Android experience.
I just need to understand if this is an indicator for any issues etc. which i should know if i buy the phone.
Thanks.
Z0MB!E said:
The more i read about the Motorola Edge 20 Fusion, i more i want to buy it, but there is a piece of information which i would like to make sense of.
The phone comes with a 108MP main shooter, but the phone's MediaTek Dimensity 800U SoC only supports cameras upto 64MP.
I need to understand what this means in a technical sense:
Will the phone, using either the default camera app or some other app, for eg. OpenCamera, be able to shoot 108MP images?
If not, are (108 - 64 = )36 megapixels just going to be dummies which won't be used at all?
If the whole sensor is going to be used, how is the SoC going to handle the raw data from the sensor? Will the SoC process the raw data in parts?
Is this going to keep the 108MP sensor from realising its full potential?
I am not basing my buying decision on the camera's megapixel count, it may be a marketing gimmick anyways. I know that megapixel count doesn't always translate to picture quality. My current phone, a Motorola G5S Plus has a 13MP rear cam and that megapixel count is enough for me. I am basically going for this phone for the screen and the stock Android experience.
I just need to understand if this is an indicator for any issues etc. which i should know if i buy the phone.
Thanks.
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So i have already bought the edge 20 fusion. But even before buying it i was extremely confused when i saw that 800u does not support a 108 mp camera.
I even searched for this on the internet on various forums, but there was nothing. I guess no one else had noticed that till now.
So i went ahead and bought it anyway as i am a Stock android fan and also just like you ,i wanted to experience the 10bit Amoled screen.
So I think that it maybe a marketing gimmick because the camera performance is definitely not like a 108 mp unit, actually far from it. Lets just say it's bad.
Only good thing about it is that, it performs decently in natural light in the outdoors.. that's it.
BUT
if you are going only for the screen and the stock android experience, you won't be disappointed. The screen is really THE BEST in this range. No complaints with the OS as well.
I don't regret buying the phone. But yes, camera should be better at this price (maybe software updates can optimise it a little)
I found no other issue(software or hardware). The battery performance is also very impressive.
Make of it what you will.
I hope this helps
Hi,
I have also purchased Moto Edge 20 Fusion and using it for around 1 month now. Excellent phone. Regarding Primary Camera they are doing Pixel Binning and providing 12 MP photos. They are also using sensor for giving better low light images. There is also option to select full resolution which gives 80 MP image which has size of 12 to 14 MB.
They still have work to do on camera app which moto is working on. In their forum they have said that a update for camera is in the works and soon they will release the same. After the update hope everything will fall in place as far as camera is concerned.
Following are the points in which it accels -
1. Display
2. Battery ( It lasts for 36 to 48 hours for me with SOT ranging from 7 to 9 hours which is damn good
3. Stock Android
4. Hopefully Camera (after the update)
5. 3.5 mm Jack
6. 30W charging with Charger and type c to type c cable included
7. Thinkshield mobile Security
hi GPpro7 users,
I would love to have your answers as users about this :
I have had two old Samsungs (A5 and S8), and they have "old" 12mp cameras...and I have been thinking that nowadays, that's 5 years later, cameras had gotten amazing and I would buy myself one of those, reading about your device the pixel pro 7, about the iPhone, the xiaomi mi11 ultra, the honour magic 4 ultimate, the S22 ultra, the iPhone 14 etc...
I went mad when I read about affordable 48mp, even 64mp and 108 mp cameras that are affordable...and completely puzzled when I read the reviews. Only to end up comparing my own shots to the sample images I could find online, understanding that to my knowledge those cameras produce plain 12mp at all, and any attempt to enlarge them to the claimed say 64 or 108mp size will just give me an unusable image with atrocious quality, whatever the phone.
Then I found about this tool that lets you compare cameras for real after I had read the complete commercial nonsense fuelled reviews online:
Camera comparison tool
see for yourselves how supposedly camera of the year doesn't look 1200€ less cheap than my S8...it is just amazing...no phone really beats others, even old phones...it's all low-quality 12Mp jpegs, that's about not an even decent 8mp jpeg...
And I wanted to buy one because I photoshop for a living, and last camera I had was around 2005, it produced good 8mp raw images, so I could make them great quality material for photo-montages, and therefore produce prints that'd be larger than A4.
It seems I wouldn't even be able to do that with nowadays top-level smartphones that claim they offer 108Mp...and I'm asking because the online info, or basic science, about it online is just misleading.
Please, I would love your own feeling-experience with your device that is supposed to bear awesome 50mp cameras, rather than trust anything that was posted online from reviews to camera samples that could be anything. When they say 50mp, the quality of raw files is the one of average enlarged 8-12mp compressed jpegs, or not ?
Thank you
You get way better pictures on newer phones.
The only time you might see similar results are with perfect lighting.
Thats it.
The sensors are better.
Its one of the few things that actually evolve on phones.
I've had Xiaomi phones with 'AMAZING MEGAPIXELS'.
Its never amazing.
In low light they are so bad compared to flagships from Sony, Samsung and Google.
thank you you summed it up, I couldn't find any info anywhere behind the advertising techniques, I wonder if I can get pro quality , that's actual 50mp fine results, for using it professionally, so I'll be waiting for further replies.
Everything they advertise looks like nothing but better looking -less noisy and all - 12mp jpegs at all, plus good zooming abilities in a few cases, but not as the name suggests, high end pro cameras at all.
I take photos for work on fabrics and carpets. I need an excellent camera phone that takes photos with colors as similar to real colors as possible.
What is the best android phone for my needs?
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I take photos for work on fabrics and carpets. I need an excellent camera phone that takes photos with colors as similar to real colors as possible.
What is the best android phone for my needs?
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None, get yourself a DSLR or a mirrorless camera if you need "accurate" colors. All of the phones have their own way of post-processing the photos and almost none of them result in accurate colors.
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thank you you summed it up, I couldn't find any info anywhere behind the advertising techniques, I wonder if I can get pro quality , that's actual 50mp fine results, for using it professionally, so I'll be waiting for further replies.
Everything they advertise looks like nothing but better looking -less noisy and all - 12mp jpegs at all, plus good zooming abilities in a few cases, but not as the name suggests, high end pro cameras at all.
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If you're talking about RAW, not none of the OEMs offer non-binned images in RAW. You always get the binned output even when shooting RAW photos.
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If you're talking about RAW, not none of the OEMs offer non-binned images in RAW. You always get the binned output even when shooting RAW photos.
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thank you, yes from the advertisement or product description, one hopes for a say 108 mp good quality camera, that will offer you PLENTY of sharp details in every photograph, like...can zoom anywhere and get a new A4 to exploit. And I'm very disappointed...
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None, get yourself a DSLR or a mirrorless camera if you need "accurate" colors. All of the phones have their own way of post-processing the photos and almost none of them result in accurate colors.
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Thanks but I know. My question is about camera phones
There are some really good YT Vids comparing phone cameras.
Marques Brownlee did a few really involved comparisons of various modes and features of the newest phones. The Pixel Devices, 6 Pro, 6A and 7 Pro were the top picks
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Thanks but I know. My question is about camera phones
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check the comparison tool link I posted in the first post. Recent Xiaomi phones seem interesting regarding colour fidelity.
but anyway it relies on the ambient light as you shoot too , an app like Color Grabber may help
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There are some really good YT Vids comparing phone cameras.
Marques Brownlee did a few really involved comparisons of various modes and features of the newest phones. The Pixel Devices, 6 Pro, 6A and 7 Pro were the top picks
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I dont need best camera phone, i need best camera phone with realistic and natural colors
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I dont need best camera phone, i need best camera phone with realistic and natural colors
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I get that, but this is a phone first, not a camera and you're not going to get everything you would with an actual camera, at least at this point, although Phone cameras have come a long, long way.
I think people need to be reminded this is a communications device, primarily.
The point of the videos is that those things are taken into consideration in the comparisons.
The sensor is 48 MP, but it blends groups of 4 pixels together resulting in a 12 MP image. You can't blow the image up and recover those additional pixels.
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The sensor is 48 MP, but it blends groups of 4 pixels together resulting in a 12 MP image. You can't blow the image up and recover those additional pixels.
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50mp binned to 12.5mp on the primary
Thank you very much because everything online is VERY misleading, regarding 500 - 1500 euros investments.
I am flabbergasted because the ads and product descriptions pretend it's 50mp or more pro cameras, and they happen to be plain okay (not even but...) 12mp digicams. Nothing worth spending 1500 euros it seems. I just expected I could invest like 800 and get a pro camera too that would just let me shoot a photo, get awesome 50mp quality, zoom on the raw file and get another A4 size good cropped shot etc...on top of the disappointment, the misleading info and product description is truly disgusting
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50mp binned to 12.5mp on the primary
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Is the pixel binning process performed by hardware or software? Is it theoretically possible to have the option of full-resolution images as a future software update?
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Is the pixel binning process performed by hardware or software? Is it theoretically possible to have the option of full-resolution images as a future software update?
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The same sensor does produce 50mp images on other phones so presumably it is handled by software, personally I don't think Google will allow it.
It's definitely a software thing as my OnePlus 9's stock camera software does enable you to disable the pixel binning and take a full 50MP photo. The results are pretty terrible though because OnePlus' camera just leaves a lot to be desired.
Yes ! it's all about that, and about the availability of non-binned therefore 48mp or more images online for comparison, it took me ages to find only one of those from a Xiaomi 12s phone, so the actual quality of the camera is actually visible !!! (and not that great !) although the Xiaomi 12t pro and maybe 12s ultra are the best ones I've found so far.
The thing is they show 12mp shots shrunk to our phones' dimensions, or as a shrunk jpeg so that looks good, but that's nothing like the actual camera"s quality that only gets visible on those original non-binned shots, that's a pic that's about an iMac's screen size and it seems very little progress has occurred in five years, the best cam gives okay to good enough results in daylight but that goes with manual retouching. Unless someone proves me wrong...
Personally i don't see what the fuss is about, 12.5mp is more than adequate for printing even at A3 and as they say the best camera is the one you have in your hand, the megapixel myth seems alive and well.
My first DSLR was only 8MP and i did plenty of (paid) weddings and air shows with that.