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After the success off AutoKiller I decided to write an app which lets you kill startup apps right after they are started, so it shortens system load times and gives you the possibility to decide what you want to run on your system.
with 2.0 release it brings an advanced tab, it gives you control over intent receivers directly, so you can completely disable automatically running parts of applications
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Autorun Manager (formerly Autorun Killer) lets you decide what apps you want to let automatically start up. It sports two modes:
Basic mode lets you decide which startup apps should be killed right after they start during system boot process.
Applications are usually autostarting because of a reason, so only disable one if you know exactly what it is doing and you definitely don't need it.
Advanced mode lists all your applications which are registered for system wide events (aka. intents like an incoming call, low battery or boot finished) and gives you the control to enable or disable these -so called- receivers.
Using this mode recommends above average knowledge about how your device works. Please be very careful.
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Wow, wasn't expecting any surprises, but after loading your program, I found that there were quite a few programs that I didn't know loaded at startup.
Startup speed did seem a tad quicker. Thanks so much!
erikikaz said:
Wow, wasn't expecting any surprises, but after loading your program, I found that there were quite a few programs that I didn't know loaded at startup.
Startup speed did seem a tad quicker. Thanks so much!
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I'm glad you like it
ok how do i get autorun killer ?
Why this post is not in android app ?? (but nexus ....)
Anyway is there a list of services safe to shut ?
Doesn't work on N1 .. installed it 3 days ago, apps still run with startup and restart alone even when "prevent restart" option is checked.
Donated anyway, seems like a promising app.
When people complain my apps are broken, I'm forwarding the support emails to you.
BootsSiR said:
When people complain my apps are broken, I'm forwarding the support emails to you.
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^This.
So if I read the first post correctly, this kills apps right AFTER they started?
This speeds up startup time how?
If X, Y, and Z all startup when i turn my phone on, and I use this app to tell my phone that X and Y are fine, but kill Z after it starts, then when I start my phone X, Y, And Z still start, but then Z gets killed immediately? I don't understand how this could possibly help performance in any way?
Task killers (but not automatic ones) have their purposes when used responsibly, however I really don't think you are getting ANY performance gain.
Just my 2 cents, don't mean it as an attack on your application or anything
gIMpSTa said:
^This.
So if I read the first post correctly, this kills apps right AFTER they started?
This speeds up startup time how?
If X, Y, and Z all startup when i turn my phone on, and I use this app to tell my phone that X and Y are fine, but kill Z after it starts, then when I start my phone X, Y, And Z still start, but then Z gets killed immediately? I don't understand how this could possibly help performance in any way?
Task killers (but not automatic ones) have their purposes when used responsibly, however I really don't think you are getting ANY performance gain.
Just my 2 cents, don't mean it as an attack on your application or anything
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yea, i was thinking that already. how does it increase performance if the app has already started up and is already slowing the system, and then you use more cpu to kill it. then another app starts up. same thing.
Great App, highly recommended!
Nice app, didn´t know that some of my installed apps start on boot (even don´t know why they want so). After disabling some of the apps the phone runs faster overall.
Thanks for the sharing!
Upstreammiami said:
ok how do i get autorun killer ?
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download from market...
exadeci said:
Why this post is not in android app ?? (but nexus ....)
Anyway is there a list of services safe to shut ?
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there is no such list system apps are not shown by default
JayQ8 said:
Doesn't work on N1 .. installed it 3 days ago, apps still run with startup and restart alone even when "prevent restart" option is checked.
Donated anyway, seems like a promising app.
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please read help, there are techniques how an app developer can make his app start in very often cases, so it will be started whatever you do.
BootsSiR said:
When people complain my apps are broken, I'm forwarding the support emails to you.
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this is a free world, everyone should use my app on its own responsibility, and only if they know the possible consequences.
ratson said:
this is a free world, everyone should use my app on its own responsibility, and only if they know the possible consequences.
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Unfortunately, they don't/won't. For starters, no where (at least in this thread, haven't looked at the app itself) does it state anything like "there are probably apps that you feel like don't need to run at startup, however they do if you want a problem free experience with that app" or anything like that.
If you don't communicate the possible consequences to people, not sure how you expect them to know this? Sure, not everyone is going to read it even if it was in 72 pt red font on the first page, but there isn't even a warning for those that would read it and take it into consideration.
I'm not saying this app shouldn't exist (goes against the whole free/open/do what I want with MY phone), I'm just saying you might want to post some kind of warning that some apps, whether you like it or not, are depending on running (then automatically killing themselves when done, or whatever) on startup and that this may interfere with that.
I agree and I will add a warning. thank you for your suggestion.
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Unfortunately, they don't/won't. For starters, no where (at least in this thread, haven't looked at the app itself) does it state anything like "there are probably apps that you feel like don't need to run at startup, however they do if you want a problem free experience with that app" or anything like that.
If you don't communicate the possible consequences to people, not sure how you expect them to know this? Sure, not everyone is going to read it even if it was in 72 pt red font on the first page, but there isn't even a warning for those that would read it and take it into consideration.
I'm not saying this app shouldn't exist (goes against the whole free/open/do what I want with MY phone), I'm just saying you might want to post some kind of warning that some apps, whether you like it or not, are depending on running (then automatically killing themselves when done, or whatever) on startup and that this may interfere with that.
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Is it possible to stop the apps starting in the first place as opposed to killing them after they start?
Snowtoad23 said:
Is it possible to stop the apps starting in the first place as opposed to killing them after they start?
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yes, it is. but only on rooted devices, and it is VERY dangerous. I don't plan to offer that feature in my app.
Great application ratson, but apparently its useless to me, seeing as I only have 6 startup applications:
Swype
ATT Hotspots
AK Notepad
DRM Protected Yadda Yadda
Task Manager
Transdroid
Still though, at least now I can salvage whatever cycles were being chewd up by Trandroid, Hotspots and Notepad. Definitely a keeper! In conjunction with your AutoKiller, my Aria is running better than stock, which overcompensates for the performance loss from my Live Wallpapers.
Thanks a ton
this application lists all the apps which listen to the on boot broadcast event. if the app uses a different technique to start itself it is not listed.
kopimi said:
Great application ratson, but apparently its useless to me, seeing as I only have 6 startup applications:
Swype
ATT Hotspots
AK Notepad
DRM Protected Yadda Yadda
Task Manager
Transdroid
Still though, at least now I can salvage whatever cycles were being chewd up by Trandroid, Hotspots and Notepad. Definitely a keeper! In conjunction with your AutoKiller, my Aria is running better than stock, which overcompensates for the performance loss from my Live Wallpapers.
Thanks a ton
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stopping an autorun program in the first place
stopping an autorun program from startup in the first place
ratson said:
yes, it is. but only on rooted devices, and it is VERY dangerous. I don't plan to offer that feature in my app.
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ok. can you share this info. or share where i can read about it please?
thanks mate
I was curious what the killer, must install apps are for everyone. I am not talking about Facebook, Instagram, or system apps that allow for rooting or managing space, but the Apps that make your life on your device much more enjoyable.
I will share mine:
1- Go Launcher. I love this System. Highly customizable and easily usable.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gau.go.launcherex
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2- 1 Tap Quick Bar. This adds a quick launch bar at the bottom of the pull-down menu. Available anywhere you are in Android. I keep stuff like my Camera, a Calculator, a shopping list app, etc there.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rootuninstaller.onetap
3- Power Line. This simple app provides very light lines that indicate the various systems on your phone. I only use the power line, but there are a lot to choose from. Nice that it is always there, to see instantly what your levels are.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.urbandroid.inline
4- Link Bubble. A handy app that provides a quick way of opening links without leaving the app you are already in.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.linkbubble.license.playstore
5- Launch X. A great way of organizing app on your home screens. I use it in scrolling. Saves a lot of Home page space.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.yuvalsharon.android.launchx.free
Well that is it for now. These are the basic apps that I always use to make life more enjoyable and convenient in my various Android devices. How about you? What do you use and have to install?
Swipepad,i guess i cant my phone without this,as with any large phone, using one handed made possible, multi task from any aap one handed, once ur used to this,u will never open ur app drawer,!
This is how it looks once set!!
sanghaviraj said:
Swipepad,i guess i cant my phone without this,as with any large phone, using one handed made possible, multi task from any aap one handed, once ur used to this,u will never open ur app drawer,!
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This is how it looks once set!!
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Interesting.
I'm surprised to be saying this but Microsoft's Arrow launcher is a treat on the Note 5. Looks classy on the large screen and its focus on usage patterns works quite well for me.
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Swiftkey is a MUST!
I came from Blackberry originally, and I got spoiled by the awesome word prediction and learning autocorrect. When I got my first Droid 2, I missed the smarter typing and I searched for a replacement. I bought SwiftKey when it was premium and never looked back. Through a Droid 3, RAZR HD, and now Note 5, it has learned how I type and saved me lots of embarrassment. And since I went premium back in the day, I get no ads. Ever.
If you're a family guy like me, Cozi Family Scheduler is also a must. With 2 teenagers, both spouses working, and all sorts of things to coordinate, Cozi makes it easy for all of us to stay on the same page without trying to flip through shared Google calendars. The widgets are useful on Note 5, but the typeface is very small on widgets.
In Australia currently the nova prime is only 20c I think it's best bargain app. Definitely worth it...been using it to replace touch wiz.
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I'm surprised to be saying this but Microsoft's Arrow launcher is a treat on the Note 5. Looks classy on the large screen and its focus on usage patterns works quite well for me.
Sent from my SM-N9208 using Tapatalk
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Nice looking Launcher.
Gpettit1 said:
I came from Blackberry originally, and I got spoiled by the awesome word prediction and learning autocorrect. When I got my first Droid 2, I missed the smarter typing and I searched for a replacement. I bought SwiftKey when it was premium and never looked back. Through a Droid 3, RAZR HD, and now Note 5, it has learned how I type and saved me lots of embarrassment. And since I went premium back in the day, I get no ads. Ever.
I hear good things about SwiftKey. I tried it a few months ago, and never really got a good feel for it myself.
If you're a family guy like me, Cozi Family Scheduler is also a must. With 2 teenagers, both spouses working, and all sorts of things to coordinate, Cozi makes it easy for all of us to stay on the same page without trying to flip through shared Google calendars. The widgets are useful on Note 5, but the typeface is very small on widgets.
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A very nice option to keep the screen time under control.
kuailan said:
In Australia currently the nova prime is only 20c I think it's best bargain app. Definitely worth it...been using it to replace touch wiz.
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My brother uses and swears by Nova.
One of the reasons I prefer Android over iOS is the way that you can highly customize your phone/tablet to your desires.
Now I know this one also require the hardware...but I do recommend getting one.
I just got my gear vr...and it's really cool. My kids love them. There are a lot of free download too just like in playstore.
kuailan said:
Now I know this one also require the hardware...but I do recommend getting one.
I just got my gear vr...and it's really cool. My kids love them. There are a lot of free download too just like in playstore.
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I have yet to play around with this, sounds exciting though.
Thanks for those who submitted. Anyone else?
dtaylorr said:
Thanks for those who submitted. Anyone else?
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How to enable data from home screen or notifications, i am using note 5 at&t and i cant find it, please help.
Widgets
saketh333 said:
How to enable data from home screen or notifications, i am using note 5 at&t and i cant find it, please help.
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There are all kinds of Widgets available for these
Tasker. I freaking love this app. It automates almost everything on my phone:
-Silences my ringer and notification volume when I set the phone face down.
-When I receive a text, my TTS engine says "Sir, you have received a message from %sender" and if the contact isn't stored in my contact list, it replaces the %sender variable with "an unknown person"
-When I leave the house, it turns off my wifi, turns my ringtone and notification volume up, and turns Bluetooth on, but if Bluetooth doesn't connect in 7 minutes, it turns back off again
-When I get to work, it sets my phone on silent and texts my wife one of 5 random messages letting her know I'm at work
-When I get back home, it turns wifi back on and connects, speaks "welcome home, sir" and turns my notification and ringtone volume down a bit
-In the morning when I dismiss my alarm, it speaks one of 3 random "good morning" messages, and then proceeds to read off the weather for the day, tells me how many appointments I have, what they are, and when.
-When I plug headphones in, it displays a popup menu of apps that I use with my headphones (Pandora, youtube, any of my emulators)
-Controls my GPS so that it's only on when I need it, like navigating with Google maps or taking location-tagged photos, and then turns it back off when I'm done
-Reboots my phone once a week to keep the OS fresh.
There is literally nothing you can't do with this app and its plugins. I recommend it for everyone. Super steep learning curve, but there are tons of tutorials on line. 10000% worth the $3 it costs.
easyHome by @Jawomo
With easyHome you don't have to press your homebutton anymore! Just touch it slightly like on screen navigation buttons!!
Experience your Galaxy in a completely new way!
No clicking noise, no hard pressing! Easy, intuitive yet awesome!
Extend the homebutton functionality if you like and lock your phone with a touch!
XDA⤵
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3230511
Play Store ⤵
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jamworks.easyhome
Snap. Access widgets by pulling down right side of screen. It's scrollable and cleans up your screens
Akw6190 said:
Tasker. I freaking love this app. It automates almost everything on my phone:
-Silences my ringer and notification volume when I set the phone face down.
-When I receive a text, my TTS engine says "Sir, you have received a message from %sender" and if the contact isn't stored in my contact list, it replaces the %sender variable with "an unknown person"
-When I leave the house, it turns off my wifi, turns my ringtone and notification volume up, and turns Bluetooth on, but if Bluetooth doesn't connect in 7 minutes, it turns back off again
-When I get to work, it sets my phone on silent and texts my wife one of 5 random messages letting her know I'm at work
-When I get back home, it turns wifi back on and connects, speaks "welcome home, sir" and turns my notification and ringtone volume down a bit
-In the morning when I dismiss my alarm, it speaks one of 3 random "good morning" messages, and then proceeds to read off the weather for the day, tells me how many appointments I have, what they are, and when.
-When I plug headphones in, it displays a popup menu of apps that I use with my headphones (Pandora, youtube, any of my emulators)
-Controls my GPS so that it's only on when I need it, like navigating with Google maps or taking location-tagged photos, and then turns it back off when I'm done
-Reboots my phone once a week to keep the OS fresh.
There is literally nothing you can't do with this app and its plugins. I recommend it for everyone. Super steep learning curve, but there are tons of tutorials on line. 10000% worth the $3 it costs.
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Man.. You don't have a phone any more.. You have a robot!..
sosimple said:
Man.. You don't have a phone any more.. You have a robot!..
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That was the idea lol. The nerd in me went and found the TTS engine that sounded the most like Iron Man's Jarvis, William from CereProc, and every time I program a speak action, I try and imagine how Jarvis would say it. I wanted my phone to be as much like a personal assistant as I could make it.
I also plan on creating a task so that, when I'm in the car and I receive a text, Jarvis will tell me that a text was received and ask if I want him to read it to me. If I reply "yes" he'll read the message then ask if I want to respond but if I reply "no" he'll ask if I want to be reminded of the text when I'm not driving. If I reply "yes" to responding, He'll listen for me to speak the message and then send it. If I reply "yes" to the reminder, when I get out of the car, he'll say "Sir, you still have # unread text message(s)"
I also want to do something similar with calls.
All you need is Tasker, AutoVoice and maybe AutoInput and AutoNotification.
Hi Everyone! ??
Now that it appears we have a new, solid way to disable and effectively block Amazon bloatware/system apps from our Fire tablets (detailed in this awesome HOW TO guide as discovered by Supersonic27543), I thought I'd take a moment to at least give a good starting effort at updating the very useful system app tracking spreadsheet that bakshi originally created a few months ago (I use it all the time/have found it very helpful!).
With FireOS 5.6.2.0 and 'Show Mode' and what have you, there are more and more stock system apps and I just wanted to see if we could collectively share our findings. I ran the simple ADB command that lists system apps/packages on my HD 8 (2017) and them simply appended the new items onto a copy of bakshi's Google sheet, added some color coding, etc. I haven't had a lot of time to fill in a lot of the app details that I've become familiar with myself, but I wanted to at least get something started. So here is an easier to read html presentation view of my updated sheet, and here is a version allows for filtering/column resizing/comments/etc..
Ummm ?, does someone by chance have any interest in taking ownership of this document? Or maybe at least collectively? ?? I do have more details that I've learned through my own trial and error / several factory resets and I'm more than happy to share, but I'm not really an Android OS wizard or pro. Many of the new apps are part of "Show Mode" / are new calling features (which I find weird / frustrating since we don't even get the full "Echo Show" drop-in / calling experience anyway) ... ??
Hopefully this document can be useful for many of us. I'm happy to hear any thoughts and to share ownership of the document with anyone who wants to take a stab.
Thanks all!
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My Kindle Fire HD 8 is soooo Slow
Hey me again, so I'm looking at your updated spreadsheet for 5.6.2.0 on the bloatware. I'm trying to understand it - i.e what can I remove safely? I assume the apps that you have marked as 'safe' can be removed. What about the ones that have a blank in the column 'Safe to Remove'? I can see why some shouldn't be removed, but why do I care about amazon.glorialist (for example). I have no idea what that even is - that's not saying much... I guess I'm confused at this point on what I can get rid of. I have my fire HD back to ground zero, running 5.6.2.0 but that's it and it's running pretty good speed wise. But I have to get rid of something because once I install google services I'll be right back where I was (dial-up or less response) so then I might as well as stay with the vanilla Fire. Thanks!
richaardvark said:
Hi Everyone! ?
Now that it appears we have a new, solid way to disable and effectively block Amazon bloatware/system apps from our Fire tablets (detailed in this awesome HOW TO guide as discovered by Supersonic27543), I thought I'd take a moment to at least give a good starting effort at updating the very useful system app tracking spreadsheet that bakshi originally created a few months ago (I use it all the time/have found it very helpful!).
With FireOS 5.6.2.0 and 'Show Mode' and what have you, there are more and more stock system apps and I just wanted to see if we could collectively share our findings. I ran the simple ADB command that lists system apps/packages on my HD 8 (2017) and them simply appended the new items onto a copy of bakshi's Google sheet, added some color coding, etc. I haven't had a lot of time to fill in a lot of the app details that I've become familiar with myself, but I wanted to at least get something started. So here is an easier to read html presentation view of my updated sheet, and here is a version allows for filtering/column resizing/comments/etc..
Ummm , does someone by chance have any interest in taking ownership of this document? Or maybe at least collectively? I do have more details that I've learned through my own trial and error / several factory resets and I'm more than happy to share, but I'm not really an Android OS wizard or pro. Many of the new apps are part of "Show Mode" / are new calling features (which I find weird / frustrating since we don't even get the full "Echo Show" drop-in / calling experience anyway) ...
Hopefully this document can be useful for many of us. I'm happy to hear any thoughts and to share ownership of the document with anyone who wants to take a stab.
Thanks all!
richaardvark
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Hey me again, so I'm looking at your updated spreadsheet for 5.6.2.0 on the bloatware. I'm trying to understand it - i.e what can I remove safely? I assume the apps that you have marked as 'safe' can be removed. What about the ones that have a blank in the column 'Safe to Remove'? I can see why some shouldn't be removed, but why do I care about amazon.glorialist (for example). I have no idea what that even is - that's not saying much... I guess I'm confused at this point on what I can get rid of. I have my fire HD back to ground zero, running 5.6.2.0 but that's it and it's running pretty good speed wise. But I have to get rid of something because once I install google services I'll be right back where I was (dial-up or less response) so then I might as well as stay with the vanilla Fire. Thanks!
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You ask very good questions! hah
With regard to which exact programs should be disabled, a couple of things come to mind. First - I have to be open and say I, myself am still trying to find just the right balance. Every day when I get free time, I tinker around and enable/disable certain apps. By far, the tablet is in a much more use-able state than it was with all those factory-installed apps running, but there are still minor issues that pop up. As you can see from that post of mine you quoted above with the spreadsheet, I kinda foolishly assumed that there'd be kind of a collective conversation about this among HD 8 owners on here, and while I did get some good information and continue to daily, I realized very quickly that there isn't really a one-size-fits-all answer here. So to answer your question, I'd say what apps you disable largely depend on your goals for how you plan to use the device. Some people want to strip the device of anything Amazon as much as possible with the hope of ending up with as close to a stock "Android" device as possible. Some people want to be able to use Alexa still, some people like their Kindle e-books or whatever. I can definitely help you look at which individual apps to disable but would need to know what features you'd like to keep and what features you want to remove. Are you wanting to install a new launcher, or keep the FireOS launcher? Do you want full Alexa as well as "Show Mode"? All things to consider and totally changes what apps you disable or leave be. So that's the first thing to take into consideration when deciding which apps to disable.
Another thing to be aware of is that if you disassemble certain packages this annoying parental control lock warning begins to pop up (I guess you could say Amazon kinda booby-trapped the device, lol). It's not a big deal, but depending on what you disable, you'll notice an annoying pop-up message. The original author of that de-bloat thread (Supersonic27543) mentions this in his OP. There are fixes for this though.
User Ivorin put together a nice list of apps he chose to disable with clear notes and I found this helpful. I've made a few minor modifications however on my own device, added a few more to disable, kept a couple he chose to disable. See his list here.
Another question I have for you is how are you going about installing Google Services? Is there a certain guide/thread you're following? There are several different posts on here with essentially the same set of instructions, but I do think there are a couple of different suggested steps among these posts, with some methods a little better than others. I only ask this because, you shouldn't really experience any major slow-down in performance after installing Google/the Play Store, at least not like it sounds like you've been experiencing. My device(s) overall are pretty snappy and solid. So we should look at that as well.
Sorry I didn't have a simple, one-size-fits-all answer for you, but if you give me just a few more details I'll have answers for you and you should be able to quickly make it all come together.
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But I have to get rid of something because once I install google services I'll be right back where I was (dial-up or less response) so then I might as well as stay with the vanilla Fire. Thanks!
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This is the thread I've typically followed when installing Google Services/Play store. These four files, in this order. It doesn't matter that they're outdated - as soon as you bring it all online it will update itself to the latest versions.
richaardvark said:
You ask very good questions! hah
Well now i have more questions
With regard to which exact programs should be disabled, a couple of things come to mind. First - I have to be open and say I, myself am still trying to find just the right balance. Every day when I get free time, I tinker around and enable/disable certain apps. By far, the tablet is in a much more use-able state than it was with all those factory-installed apps running, but there are still minor issues that pop up. As you can see from that post of mine you quoted above with the spreadsheet, I kinda foolishly assumed that there'd be kind of a collective conversation about this among HD 8 owners on here, and while I did get some good information and continue to daily, I realized very quickly that there isn't really a one-size-fits-all answer here. So to answer your question, I'd say what apps you disable largely depend on your goals for how you plan to use the device. Some people want to strip the device of anything Amazon as much as possible with the hope of ending up with as close to a stock "Android" device as possible. Some people want to be able to use Alexa still, some people like their Kindle e-books or whatever. I can definitely help you look at which individual apps to disable but would need to know what features you'd like to keep and what features you want to remove. Are you wanting to install a new launcher, or keep the FireOS launcher? Do you want full Alexa as well as "Show Mode"? All things to consider and totally changes what apps you disable or leave be. So that's the first thing to take into consideration when deciding which apps to disable.
You asked for it so here goes:
Well in a perfect world I would like it to do everything my laptop does... However back to reality. I got it to:
1. Play how-to videos
2. Pull up other types of information via the web
3. Get mail and my calendar and contacts plus keep the last two updated off my Outlook installed on my PC. (I want the gmail app at least and it’s not on the Amazon app store). I know I can get yahoo thru the Appstore. I would rather use Outlook but refuse to pay for Outlook 365. I need to keep the Fire stock email, calendar and contacts for the program I run on outlook to propagate the calendar/contacts. I’m sure there are others apps but this works and right now that’s all I care about.
4. Play videos when I’m on the road (either wifi or downloaded)
5. I do like the voice to text recognition because without a regular keyboard my typing frustrates me (I use the same on my phone)
6. Read doc files like PDF, Work, EXCEL, PPT etc. Only need a reader, don’t want to create or edit.
7. Not a bit gamer – when waiting at a docs office I play solitaire (mostly) or candy crush so don’t need resources for that.
8. I’m still old fashioned – if I want to read a book I want paper, the same goes for magazines and newspapers. I read on the laptop when I have to. So I could care less about Kindle…
9. I can’t stand the fire launcher but I’ve read where Nova is inconsistent on Fire HD so might be stuck with that unless there is something else out there that works??? (low on my priority list).
10. I do like Alexa because I use it in the house. If she is a big hog I’ll get rid of it.
11. Get rid of the ads
I think that’s the majority of it. I just want to get decent response time but I don’t know what to delete. For example, I tried killing some stuff that was running in the background but didn’t know what those processes were and ended up having to reboot. I did this a few times and got frustrated and quit.
Have I ended up confusing the issue? I just don’t have time to keep tinkering around with this thing. If I can get decent response time and get my must-have apps on there I’ll be happy. I just would like to know what I can kill and be done with it...
Another thing to be aware of is that if you disassemble certain packages this annoying parental control lock warning begins to pop up (I guess you could say Amazon kinda booby-trapped the device, lol). It's not a big deal, but depending on what you disable, you'll notice an annoying pop-up message. The original author of that de-bloat thread (Supersonic27543) mentions this in his OP. There are fixes for this though.
I saw that too but I can deal with that later, the speed right now is the most annoying thing... And the ads...
User Ivorin put together a nice list of apps he chose to disable with clear notes and I found this helpful. I've made a few minor modifications however on my own device, added a few more to disable, kept a couple he chose to disable. See his list here.
Got it.
Another question I have for you is how are you going about installing Google Services? Is there a certain guide/thread you're following? There are several different posts on here with essentially the same set of instructions, but I do think there are a couple of different suggested steps among these posts, with some methods a little better than others. I only ask this because, you shouldn't really experience any major slow-down in performance after installing Google/the Play Store, at least not like it sounds like you've been experiencing. My device(s) overall are pretty snappy and solid. So we should look at that as well.
Well that took some time because I was flip flopping around and the instructions weren’t very clear (I figured it out) but I ultimately got from two sources.
http://rootjunkysdl.com/files/?dir=Amazon Fire 5th gen
He had two ‘features’ I used. 1) remove the annoying ads, 2) fix it so Amazon updates doesn’t break the Google apps.
I started with this one that led me to rootjunky to get Google play services down:
https://lifehacker.com/how-to-get-google-play-on-a-kindle-fire-and-install-any-1790706649
I see the instructions you used are different and I also see that you can disable the ads thru that ‘pm’ command? I saw mention of that in Ivorin’s list that you referred me to – maybe it was in the other ones too, I just saw his comment in that list.
>>>>> OK, so my question is why do I need google play services if you are just downloading the APKs? Someone else mentioned using apkpure.com to get APKs and forget about Google play services but then I read too that some of these sites might have malware etc. and to stay away from them. I’m happy downloading the APKs myself. As you have probably noticed I only know enough to be dangerous, I’ve just really begun to stick my big toe into the Android world.
I also noticed that some apps (non-stock) simply will not install so I just have to go to the web for those.
Sorry I didn't have a simple, one-size-fits-all answer for you, but if you give me just a few more details I'll have answers for you and you should be able to quickly make it all come together.
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I Get that and I really can't thank you enough for your time on this!!!
BTW, the first site you sent me to on the bloatware: He has instructions on getting com.amazon.unifiedsharefacebook. FYI it was already on my Fire HD after I went and got it off the site. I did see where someone said it used to be there but the developers got rid of it – I guess not since I have 5.6.2….
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This is the thread I've typically followed when installing Google Services/Play store. These four files, in this order. It doesn't matter that they're outdated - as soon as you bring it all online it will update itself to the latest versions.
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I've used the method in the thread you linked multiple times on my HD 10 7th gen running 5.6.1.0 and I can say it works perfectly every time and have never had any issues with Google play store/services acting up in any way.
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I've used the method in the thread you linked multiple times on my HD 10 7th gen running 5.6.1.0 and I can say it works perfectly every time and have never had any issues with Google play store/services acting up in any way.
OK, I loaded the four APKs you and richaardvark suggested. All went fine thank you. So that's all I have on it now, except for Stock and a file manager. I'm trying things one at a time to see if there is a particular app that brings me to my knees. I do still need to remove the bloatware once that's figured out.
What I'm running into is I use the SILK browser to load up sites that I go to all the time just to see if I'm getting decent response. I have two that are so slow on the Fire but not on my phone for example. Now what I'm seeing on the 'draggers' is after a long period it comes back and says "No Internet". All I have to do is hit enter and it loads right up. Does anyone have an idea as to what might be causing this? I tested the same sites on my phone with no issues.... Thanks!
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tylerhole said:
I've used the method in the thread you linked multiple times on my HD 10 7th gen running 5.6.1.0 and I can say it works perfectly every time and have never had any issues with Google play store/services acting up in any way.
OK, I loaded the four APKs you and richaardvark suggested. All went fine thank you. So that's all I have on it now, except for Stock and a file manager. I'm trying things one at a time to see if there is a particular app that brings me to my knees. I do still need to remove the bloatware once that's figured out.
What I'm running into is I use the SILK browser to load up sites that I go to all the time just to see if I'm getting decent response. I have two that are so slow on the Fire but not on my phone for example. Now what I'm seeing on the 'draggers' is after a long period it comes back and says "No Internet". All I have to do is hit enter and it loads right up. Does anyone have an idea as to what might be causing this? I tested the same sites on my phone with no issues.... Thanks!
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Why don't you just install chrome since you have the play store up and running? I use it daily without any issues on mine. And I got rid of all the Amazon crap. You can see all the apps I currently have installed in the attached pics.
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i like some of the amazon apps but prefer the straight android versions from google play can the book music prime vids work if i get rid of the stock versions a replaced with apks? plus dont want alexa at all or any of the new crap amazon pushed with latest update... is it possible to get uptodate without all the crap? cause im still at 5.6.1.0? i know alot of questions....
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DallasRedHead said:
Why don't you just install chrome since you have the play store up and running? I use it daily without any issues on mine. And I got rid of all the Amazon crap. You can see all the apps I currently have installed in the attached pics. View attachment 4582486View attachment 4582487
Yes, I will do that. I need to get rid of the Amazon crap too - just need to figure out what I can safely get rid of. I was checking speeds before I loaded it up with standard android apps - which I did last time and my system ran at a crawl so I'm trying to identify one-by-one which one (or ones) are the culprit. (I completely started over from scratch after looking at this forum and getting help from y'all).
BTW. It looks like you use the standard Fire Launcher - is that correct? Thx.
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DallasRedHead said:
tylerhole said:
Why don't you just install chrome since you have the play store up and running? I use it daily without any issues on mine. And I got rid of all the Amazon crap. You can see all the apps I currently have installed in the attached pics. View attachment 4582486View attachment 4582487
Yes, I will do that. I need to get rid of the Amazon crap too - just need to figure out what I can safely get rid of. I was checking speeds before I loaded it up with standard android apps - which I did last time and my system ran at a crawl so I'm trying to identify one-by-one which one (or ones) are the culprit. (I completely started over from scratch after looking at this forum and getting help from y'all).
BTW. It looks like you use the standard Fire Launcher - is that correct? Thx.
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My solution to the slow system was to remove all the Amazon stuff that has been deemed safe to remove that I've seen in various threads here. Of course some still want to use some Amazon apps so it's not the solution for everyone. Just keep in mind while you are trying stuff that removing one thing may break something else and cause your tablet to slow down. But best of luck, be sure to post your findings! [emoji4]
As far as my launcher, I actually replaced the nova Launcher and have the widgets working [emoji16]
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tylerhole said:
My solution to the slow system was to remove all the Amazon stuff that has been deemed safe to remove that I've seen in various threads here. Of course some still want to use some Amazon apps so it's not the solution for everyone. Just keep in mind while you are trying stuff that removing one thing may break something else and cause your tablet to slow down. But best of luck, be sure to post your findings! [emoji4]
As far as my launcher, I actually replaced the nova Launcher and have the widgets working [emoji16]
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I posted this in another thread but basically I got everything working and started 'PM Hiding' stuff. I read that 'pm hide' and 'pm disable' are essentially the same. Sometimes I would have to leave the 'com' on front of the name (that I was trying to hide), other times I had to leave it off. I was getting 'new hidden state: true' but after reboot they are all still on my desktop I don't know why.
I was using Richaarvark spreadsheet and only getting rid of 'safe' stuff. Some stuff I don't want to get rid of. Others I wasn't sure. But I definately got rid of all the parental controls, the clock, weather, maps but they are still there and I don't know what I'm doing wrong! Help tremendously appreciated. I'll get back to NOVA once I get this figured out
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I posted this in another thread but basically I got everything working and started 'PM Hiding' stuff. I read that 'pm hide' and 'pm disable' are essentially the same. Sometimes I would have to leave the 'com' on front of the name (that I was trying to hide), other times I had to leave it off. I was getting 'new hidden state: true' but after reboot they are all still on my desktop I don't know why.
I was using Richaarvark spreadsheet and only getting rid of 'safe' stuff. Some stuff I don't want to get rid of. Others I wasn't sure. But I definately got rid of all the parental controls, the clock, weather, maps but they are still there and I don't know what I'm doing wrong! Help tremendously appreciated. I'll get back to NOVA once I get this figured out
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Have you tried pm disable instead? Hide might only be hiding it in your launcher until reboot. Otherwise, although you'd have to reset to get them back, you could try the method in this thread.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hd8-hd10/general/tut-root-cleaner-android-experience-hd8-t3797327
I know it says 5.6 and up it won't work, but I'm on 5.6.1.0 and my friend is on 5.6.2.0 and it's worked for both ours.
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Have you tried pm disable instead? Hide might only be hiding it in your launcher until reboot. Otherwise, although you'd have to reset to get them back, you could try the method in this thread.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hd8-hd10/general/tut-root-cleaner-android-experience-hd8-t3797327
I know it says 5.6 and up it won't work, but I'm on 5.6.1.0 and my friend is on 5.6.2.0 and it's worked for both ours.
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Thanks for the info but... I tried pm disable and half of them wouldn't disable - why I went to hide them. Also, when this kept happening what I read was disable requires a rooted device (mine is not).
Do you think I could just try pm uninstalling - I don't want to start over! I've spent hours on this and have brain drain and looked at so many threads. The initial thread I was pointed to was https://forum.xda-developers.com/hd8-hd10/general/a-t3820744/page23#post77476583 and that's what I've been following.
I have 5.6.2 btw. --- AND A HEADACHE!
Thanks!
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Thanks for the info but... I tried pm disable and half of them wouldn't disable - why I went to hide them. Also, when this kept happening what I read was disable requires a rooted device (mine is not).
Do you think I could just try pm uninstalling - I don't want to start over! I've spent hours on this and have brain drain and looked at so many threads. The initial thread I was pointed to was https://forum.xda-developers.com/hd8-hd10/general/a-t3820744/page23#post77476583 and that's what I've been following.
I have 5.6.2 btw. --- AND A HEADACHE!
Thanks!
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Do you have the HD 8 or 10?
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Do you have the HD 8 or 10?
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I have an HD 8.
Interesting, I just checked this. While my desktop icons didn't disappear my searches on chrome have gotten a lot faster! I had two sites that I was testing with that were so slow I would walk away while they loaded up. Now they load up great! Hum.....
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I have an HD 8.
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Oh... I wasn't aware of what device you had so yeah, disregard what I said, my apologies.
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Oh... I wasn't aware of what device you had so yeah, disregard what I said, my apologies.
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No problem but now I don't know where to go from here. Maybe someone will reply from the original post I was following... I'm really just now sticking my toe in the Android world.
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No problem but now I don't know where to go from here. Maybe someone will reply from the original post I was following... I'm really just now sticking my toe in the Android world.
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I haven't attempted to do anything regarding disabling or removing system apps on mine without root, plus I have the 10 not the 8 so there's other lil differences too.
That combined with Amazon making things more difficult to be done with every update not sure if I could point you in a direction to go without doing a bunch of digging through threads myself lol.
I'm sure there is someone will be able to chime in and help ya out, just a matter of time. Hope ya get it figured out and I'll be checking back to see what happens! [emoji854]
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can some1 tell me what i did wrong i disable only the safe apk.. reboot the amazon goes into moptimizing system storange application mode forever.. then i have to go into adb and sideload stock firmware
Spoiler: Warning - don't visit these two sites:
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www.vu239trk.com
int.vaicore.store
Trend Micro says both of these sites are malicious.
Full story - I recently changed router brands. Our new routers have the ability to block malicious sites that are trying to be accessed. Thankfully, this isn't happening on my rooted phone - it's happening on my wife's Pixel 7 Pro which is unlockable but is locked. The same was the case a week and a half ago with her Pixel 6 Pro. Problem is, that my wife has no idea which of her apps - I'm guessing a game, but who knows - would be accessing those. I've tried to pin them down according to what time the router blocked access, but it hasn't helped.
The router has blocked access to those sites from her phone(s) a total of seven times between October 5th and the 19th:
10/5 - vu
10/9 - vu
10/12 - vaicore
10/14 - vu
10/15 - vu
10/16 - vu
10/19 - vu
So it's not every day, and not repeatedly on the same day. I've let her know each time the router notifies me, but nothing has come to mind for her, so I don't know if it's happening in the background or when she's actively using an app.
I've tried some simple Google-fu for this question, or specifically regarding these sites without any promising help.
Does anyone have any suggestions for how to find out what apps are accessing them? I'm aware of solutions like NetGuard - no-root firewall to whitelist/blacklist internet access - however, my wife is non-technical - I don't root her phones anymore as she's not interested in the benefits and it's less work for me, and no chance for me to mess up her configuration. Also, we both suspect that it's one of her games that is trying to access those sites, and those games might already require internet access for them to work, so I'm more interested in tracking down which without a process of elimination. She's also not methodical like I am, at least for technical things.
I could probably dump a list of her apps to at least get some ideas. All her apps came from the Play Store and were just restored from there during our recent transition to the Pixel 7 Pro, so whatever it is, Google hasn't caught it yet. She doesn't use any special web browsers, just Chrome, and she doesn't do anything techie or hacky.
Also trying to avoid both a factory reset and not using Google's cloud backup. She forgets her passwords constantly so fresh setups always cause high anxiety for her, and therefore for me too.
After you install an app block all updates. A common ploy is the app is clean but after it is installed it will download it's malicious payload.
Keep all social media and shopping apps off the phone. They are malware.
If an app doesn't need internet access to function it should be firewall blocked. Few app need internet access. Find the malware or factory reset and reset passwords. I give myself 2 hours before I nuke it. That should be enough time to find/fix minor malware issues.
Full scan with Malwarebytes. Pay close attention to the download folder and any apps that run at startup. Scan suspects with online Virustotal.
Try in safe mode, see if it stops.
It maybe a false alert... otherwise uninstall or package block installed apps one by one until you nail it. If it's a virus or rootkit that won't stop it though. Hopefully it's just a rogue app that didn't download a rootkit payload...
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After you install an app block all updates. A common ploy is the app is clean but after it is installed it will download it's malicious payload.
Keep all social media and shopping apps off the phone. They are malware.
If an app doesn't need internet access to function it should be firewall blocked. Few app need internet access. Find the malware or factory reset and reset passwords. I give myself 2 hours before I nuke it. That should be enough time to find/fix minor malware issues.
Full scan with Malwarebytes. Pay close attention to the download folder and any apps that run at startup. Scan suspects with online Virustotal.
Try in safe mode, see if it stops.
It maybe a false alert... otherwise uninstall or package block installed apps one by one until you nail it. If it's a virus or rootkit that won't stop it though. Hopefully it's just a rogue app that didn't download a rootkit payload...
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I've never once had a problem with any of this stuff... I think the malware problem is hugely overblown. I just don't download random obscure apps and never had an issue.
Trend Micro is often overzealous. I have disabled that crap on my ASUS router.
They both seem to be marketing and tracking sites. The vaicore one apparently was even being triggered by the Audible app at one point.
https://www.reddit.com/r/audible/comments/ttakhs
You could try DuckDuckGo's tracking protection to figure out which app is doing it.
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blackhawk said:
After you install an app block all updates. A common ploy is the app is clean but after it is installed it will download it's malicious payload.
Keep all social media and shopping apps off the phone. They are malware.
If an app doesn't need internet access to function it should be firewall blocked. Few app need internet access. Find the malware or factory reset and reset passwords. I give myself 2 hours before I nuke it. That should be enough time to find/fix minor malware issues.
Full scan with Malwarebytes. Pay close attention to the download folder and any apps that run at startup. Scan suspects with online Virustotal.
Try in safe mode, see if it stops.
It maybe a false alert... otherwise uninstall or package block installed apps one by one until you nail it. If it's a virus or rootkit that won't stop it though. Hopefully it's just a rogue app that didn't download a rootkit payload...
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Since this is my wife's phone, not mine, I'm not willing to micro-manage to try to find the culprit. It would only cause her stress and because of that, ultimately more stress for me.
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Trend Micro is often overzealous. I have disabled that crap on my ASUS router.
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I'll certainly keep an eye on what it reports, but since so far it's only reported things from my wife's phone and not my own or any of our computers, I'm going to keep being curious about what exactly is triggering it.
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They both seem to be marketing and tracking sites. The vaicore one apparently was even being triggered by the Audible app at one point.
https://www.reddit.com/r/audible/comments/ttakhs
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Thanks for that information! In this case, she doesn't have the Audible app.
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You could try DuckDuckGo's tracking protection to figure out which app is doing it.
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Ah, I forgot about DuckDuckGo app's advertised capability. I'll take a look into it. Thanks!
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Since this is my wife's phone, not mine, I'm not willing to micro-manage to try to find the culprit. It would only cause her stress and because of that, ultimately more stress for me.
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I've never once had a problem with any of this stuff... I think the malware problem is hugely overblown. I just don't download random obscure apps and never had an issue.
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I rarely sample apps. All my apps are vetted and most have been used by me for years. Playstore is a mess. I keep installable copies of all my apps on my data drive (SD card) master backup for easy reloads if I need to factory reset. I occasionally side load, these are always first scanned with Virustotal. If they even look a little twitchy they aren't loaded. I firewall block all apps that implicitly don't need internet access. I also watch what is accessing the internet, when and why.
Apps are never upgraded unless it would provide a substantial benefit. There's no need to as I already have a stable platform. I don't upgrade or update the firmware, ever. This 3 yo N10+ is still running snappy fast and rock solid stable on Pie. Any problem is easy to stop as the platform is very predictable; malware stands out like a sore thumb. The current load is over 2yo and it runs day after day like a bat out of hell with minimal maintenance. I also watch the download folder like a hawk; everything is vetted before it is moved into the database, apps, mp4's, jpegs etc. At the very least I open the file in the download folder to look for abnormal behavior especially in that folder.
I've had malware jpegs on Android, once you open it, it would damage any files not in a folder in the download folder. Some were repairable some not and best deleted. Deleting the jpeg ends it's rain of terror. If it gets into the database in a folder with a large number of files it would rain hell down on you. It may not be detectable at all as malware meaning you would need to find it the hard way.
There are scripted jpegs, pngs that target both PC and Android. They pop up from time to time and Outlook can be a vector. Keel all email in the cloud ie Gmail. Be very cautious of downloading anything from emails, the oldest trick in the book. Lol, you've been warned
Also saw a trojan preloader slip past Samsung browser without permission. I tagged it in the download folder before it could download it's payload. KIA Police the download folder daily, delete any unknown files without opening them.
Vet everything.
Almost all malware is loaded or downloaded by the user, one way or another. Pie and above are secure unless you do stupid things.
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New movie: "Honey, I disabled half of your apps!"
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roirraW edor ehT said:
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Translation: "Honey half your apps were spyware, can we still be friends after the divorce?"
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Sequel: "Why I now sleep on the couch"
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"...and use the cat's litterbox..."
roirraW edor ehT said:
Since this is my wife's phone, not mine, I'm not willing to micro-manage to try to find the culprit. It would only cause her stress and because of that, ultimately more stress for me.
I'll certainly keep an eye on what it reports, but since so far it's only reported things from my wife's phone and not my own or any of our computers, I'm going to keep being curious about what exactly is triggering it.
Thanks for that information! In this case, she doesn't have the Audible app.
Ah, I forgot about DuckDuckGo app's advertised capability. I'll take a look into it. Thanks!
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Try scanning with Malwarebytes. Virustotal is the gold standard as it gives a broad overview to what's there and how it behaves.
Brave browser is near bulletproof.
Always try to back out of a bad site by closing that window if necessary or close the browser. Occasionally I needed to clear the cache as well. Never needed to clear the data but have seen some really persistent bad sites. No breach though save that one trojan preloader.
Abnormal behavior should be promptly investigated and the cause found.
Never ignore it... and teach her new tricks.
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I rarely sample apps. All my apps are vetted and most have been used by me for years. Playstore is a mess. I keep installable copies of all my apps on my data drive (SD card) master backup for easy reloads if I need to factory reset. I occasionally side load, these are always first scanned with Virustotal. If they even look a little twitchy they aren't loaded. I firewall block all apps that implicitly don't need internet access. I also watch what is accessing the internet, when and why.
Apps are never upgraded unless it would provide a substantial benefit. There's no need to as I already have a stable platform. I don't upgrade or update the firmware, ever. This 3 yo N10+ is still running snappy fast and rock solid stable on Pie. Any problem is easy to stop as the platform is very predictable; malware stands out like a sore thumb. The current load is over 2yo and it runs day after day like a bat out of hell with minimal maintenance. I also watch the download folder like a hawk; everything is vetted before it is moved into the database, apps, mp4's, jpegs etc. At the very least I open the file in the download folder to look for abnormal behavior especially in that folder.
I've had malware jpegs on Android, once you open it, it would damage any files not in a folder in the download folder. Some were repairable some not and best deleted. Deleting the jpeg ends it's rain of terror. If it gets into the database in a folder with a large number of files it would rain hell down on you. It may not be detectable at all as malware meaning you would need to find it the hard way.
There are scripted jpegs, pngs that target both PC and Android. They pop up from time to time and Outlook can be a vector. Keel all email in the cloud ie Gmail. Be very cautious of downloading anything from emails, the oldest trick in the book. Lol, you've been warned
Also saw a trojan preloader slip past Samsung browser without permission. I tagged it in the download folder before it could download it's payload. KIA Police the download folder daily, delete any unknown files without opening them.
Vet everything.
Almost all malware is loaded or downloaded by the user, one way or another. Pie and above are secure unless you do stupid things. No saving dumb bunnies, you are what you load/download.
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I mean I use FairEmail and have it set to only download images when I tell it to but other than that, I don't use much more than common sense for my security platform. I don't dabble a lot in random apps (sometimes I will grab a game from a new dev after I see some positive reviews for it somewhere but those F2P apps end up earning the devs more money in microtransactions than they would get from malware anyway so the risk is low here, especially since I only go for visually appealing games with some depth to them), I don't use a firewall, don't use AV... It's never been a problem going all the way back to Cupcake on my HTC Hero.
I do, however, take all updates within a few weeks of them being available (system updates I will do as soon as I get a prompt that they are available, app updates I manually do), and while that potentially exposes me to a zero day if one of my apps goes rogue, lots of pre-existing loopholes get closed by these same updates as well.
For that matter, going back to my first computer when I was 8 or 9 years old running DOS, I've only ever gotten one bug that was nasty enough for me to have to reinstall everything, a trojan, and I got it from some software I grabbed from a BBS IIRC. I don't run more than Windows Defender these days and I continue to just use common sense on the internet. Most of my important stuff is backed up to my Google Drive anyway so my desktop can get nuked and I'll just have to saturate the gigabit connection for a few hours to download all my apps and games again. *shrug*
I do use Bitwarden for passwords and Authy for 2FA (as well as having YubiKey for a few things like Google, Microsoft, and Bitwarden) as I feel that those are common sense in the world we live in but I just don't see the point otherwise.
I do use VirusTotal from time to time if I'm not sure about something as well.
blackhawk said:
Try scanning with Malwarebytes. Virustotal is the gold standard as it gives a broad overview to what's there and how it behaves.
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Absolutely. I got her to install it - later when we're both not working, I'll work with her to have it do its thing. I meant to mention in my earlier reply, to thank you for that advice.
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Brave browser is near bulletproof.
Always try to back out of a bad site by closing that window if necessary or close the browser. Occasionally I needed to clear the cache as well. Never needed to clear the data but have seen some really persistent bad sites. No breach though save that one trojan preloader.
Abnormal behavior should be promptly investigated and the cause found.
Never ignore it...
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I use Brave for select things, but to try to move her completely or even partly from Chrome to Brave would ultimately not be an effort well spent. I'm getting anxious just knowing how things would go.
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My wife's habits are firmly planted. Mine are probably just a tiny bit less than hers, but obviously, I can't be objective.
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For that matter, going back to my first computer when I was 8 or 9 years old running DOS, I've only ever gotten one bug that was nasty enough for me to have to reinstall everything, a trojan, and I got it from some software I grabbed from a BBS IIRC.
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Ugh, that reminds me of the time just about 20 years ago that back in my Norton AntiVirus days, there was a trojan that wasn't detected for weeks - I forget which one, but Symantec was not picking it up, and I had kept on reinstalling Windows XP on both my wife's and my desktops I built but ultimately they both would act crazy in some way. What a pain. Then when Symantec finally recognized what was going on and their definitions found the culprit, what a relief.
That was the only time I know that any of my devices were infected and rampant.
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I don't run more than Windows Defender these days and I continue to just use common sense on the internet.
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Same here.
EtherealRemnant said:
Most of my important stuff is backed up to my Google Drive anyway so my desktop can get nuked and I'll just have to saturate the gigabit connection for a few hours to download all my apps and games again. *shrug*
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I've "lost everything" (digital) so many times over the last 38 years, but my most important potentially life-altering things are backed up in the cloud, too, although using my own encryption for the most sensitive things.
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Ugh, that reminds me of the time just about 20 years ago that back in my Norton AntiVirus days, there was a trojan that wasn't detected for weeks - I forget which one, but Symantec was not picking it up, and I had kept on reinstalling Windows XP on both my wife's and my desktops I built but ultimately they both would act crazy in some way. What a pain. Then when Symantec finally recognized what was going on and their definitions found the culprit, what a relief.
That was the only time I know that any of my devices were infected and rampant.
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Yeah this was definitely in the early Norton days. That computer was running Windows 3.1. lol.
roirraW edor ehT said:
I've "lost everything" (digital) so many times over the last 38 years, but my most important potentially life-altering things are backed up in the cloud, too, although using my own encryption for the most sensitive things.
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I have been incredibly lucky. I have never even had a hard drive fail to the point of any significant loss. I actually still have the 320GB Seagate that was in my grandfather's old Gateway P3 from the early 2000s and it still works fine.
But my stupid self has definitely done the "let's get drunk and mess with Linux" thing... Which has absolutely resulted in some loss lol, especially back in the LILO days when the installers could easily wipe out your Windows partition when they bugged out and also sometimes when I just messed up the partitioning myself.
Fortunately, there's not much that I absolutely have to have, so even if I lost absolutely everything, the biggest headache would be recovering my bank/credit union accounts (of which I have like 23 credit cards alone right now) and online accounts like XDA and reddit. Social media I could just start over. Or not start back up at all for that matter.
Also, I tried Brave... Can't do it. It's Chrome or nothing for me. It was hard enough to switch from Firefox to Chrome (I had been using Firefox since it was in alpha as Phoenix) but I'm just too set in my ways to switch to anything else now.
EtherealRemnant said:
Yeah this was definitely in the early Norton days. That computer was running Windows 3.1. lol.
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I forgot - I guess I don't count my pre-XP days as far as viruses and trojans. Definitely had some on probably almost every Apple/Amiga/Windows OS I ever ran before XP. Security? What security!?
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I have been incredibly lucky. I have never even had a hard drive fail to the point of any significant loss. I actually still have the 320GB Seagate that was in my grandfather's old Gateway P3 from the early 2000s and it still works fine.
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That is lucky. I'm not on the opposite spectrum of hard drive experience, but I definitely have run the wheels off of many hard drives.
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Also, I tried Brave... Can't do it. It's Chrome or nothing for me. It was hard enough to switch from Firefox to Chrome (I had been using Firefox since it was in alpha as Phoenix) but I'm just too set in my ways to switch to anything else now.
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A few months ago I largely switched back to Firefox, but I still use Chrome for certain things, and I do use Brave for a very few things. A couple of years ago, I was liking Microsoft's Chromium-based Edge just fine, but then they changed just one little thing - which made it many more clicks than in Chrome or other browsers if you wanted to potentially change your download save location for each and every download.
There were a ton of complaints to Microsoft but they wouldn't reinstate the original way. I'd have no problem if they at least let users opt to use the way they used to, but fell on deaf ears. I switched back to Chrome after that - Edge was just too much of a pain for micro-managed downloads.
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I mean I use FairEmail and have it set to only download images when I tell it to but other than that, I don't use much more than common sense for my security platform. I don't dabble a lot in random apps (sometimes I will grab a game from a new dev after I see some positive reviews for it somewhere but those F2P apps end up earning the devs more money in microtransactions than they would get from malware anyway so the risk is low here, especially since I only go for visually appealing games with some depth to them), I don't use a firewall, don't use AV... It's never been a problem going all the way back to Cupcake on my HTC Hero.
I do, however, take all updates within a few weeks of them being available (system updates I will do as soon as I get a prompt that they are available, app updates I manually do), and while that potentially exposes me to a zero day if one of my apps goes rogue, lots of pre-existing loopholes get closed by these same updates as well.
For that matter, going back to my first computer when I was 8 or 9 years old running DOS, I've only ever gotten one bug that was nasty enough for me to have to reinstall everything, a trojan, and I got it from some software I grabbed from a BBS IIRC. I don't run more than Windows Defender these days and I continue to just use common sense on the internet. Most of my important stuff is backed up to my Google Drive anyway so my desktop can get nuked and I'll just have to saturate the gigabit connection for a few hours to download all my apps and games again. *shrug*
I do use Bitwarden for passwords and Authy for 2FA (as well as having YubiKey for a few things like Google, Microsoft, and Bitwarden) as I feel that those are common sense in the world we live in but I just don't see the point otherwise.
I do use VirusTotal from time to time if I'm not sure about something as well.
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I'm still running W7. It's kept off the internet always. Android is a lot easier to keep secure.
Updates sound good in theory just like the Covid vaccine did. In actual practice they cause trouble and aren't needed. It's an ongoing experiment at this point and it's simply running too good to mess with the firmware. I refuse to.
Pie is pretty secure in real time with a few modifications. I keep wifi disabled as well. At this point I'm curious to see if anything can nail it. Lol, I test it everyday. A reload isn't very painful for me and everything is redundantly backed up.
App updates have caused me a lot of time and trouble particularly with Samsung. Got a pair of Buds+ that the last firmware update degraded the sound badly, need to get Samsung to reflash to its original firmware. My new Buds+ sound great with much better range; that firmware will never be upgraded. Upgrades and updates tend to break Samsung's... best to leave it be if it's fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. That strategy may sound counterproductive but it works well for me in real time.
That's all that counts.
Pcap droid app from the Google app store or download the apk from f-droid: it's a superb app.Here are some sample screenshots:
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step 1- root wife's phone
step 2- install netguard
step 3- install afwall+
step 4- check the logs from each and cross-reference which app is the problem
step 5- profit. have her make you sandwich
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step 1- root wife's phone
step 2- install netguard
step 3- install afwall+
step 4- check the logs from each and cross-reference which app is the problem
step 5- profit. have her make you sandwich
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Thanks, but I was trying to indicate that root isn't an option I'm interested in for her phone. That is, she's not interested, and it would be especially disruptive to her now that we've had our factory unlocked Pixel 7 Pros for over six months, plus it's just less work for me to not bother rooting her phone and keeping it up to date manually.
In addition, with her phone not rooted, and the bootloader still locked, I feel better about her running whatever random games she plays.
I haven't had any notifications about that site being blocked in a while. The most recent email I found about it was from December, although I don't know if I might've deleted emails that came after that, but I think I purposefully kept only the most recent example.
I'll keep your information in mind if I ever experience anything like that coming from my devices (I always root them).
Hello there.
I have lost my clipboard button that appears when you hold over a blank space. I tried looking up the issue and what people are saying mostly samsung did something in android 12 which disables it on third party keyboards. These post I read are mostly dated from 8 months ago. But i've had that clipboard button since android 12 released and only lost it this morning!
it was still able to appear on the Samsung Keyboard but now just when I was about to post here it dissapeared from the samsung keyboard as well. Now the only way I can access my clipboard is from enabling the keyboard toolbar on the samsung keyboard and hitting the clipboard icon.
The clipboard button has also been replaced with autofill which does not work on my phone it just repeats cannot autofill content.
Please somebody what must I do to get the clipboard button back. Here is a replication of what I did before I noticed it.
I was chatting on Revolt a chat app then it just dissapeared. I tried uninstalling the keyboard I was using "Unexpected Keyboard" then reinstalling on the latest version and previous version to no avail I still lost it. I switch to samsung keyboard used the clipboard button pasted something then switched back to Unexpected Keyboard. I check to see its still not back so I switch to samsung keyboard now it's gone from the samsung keyboard.
What should I do?
I would also like to clarify I have disabled software updates & OTA updates incase you thought it was possibly an ota that happened while I was sleeping.
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Keep social media apps off the phone!!!
They are junkware at best, malware at worst.
Clear system cache from the boot menu.
Try in safe mode, does it work? If so find and delete the app that's causing this.
If not try clearing the cache (then data if that fails) from Samsung Keyboard, clipboard and any associated apps.
If you can't find it after a week or two and/or cry uncle, factory reset.
blackhawk said:
Keep social media apps off the phone!!!
They are junkware at best, malware at worst.
Clear system cache from the boot menu.
Try in safe mode, does it work? If so find and delete the app that's causing this.
If not try clearing the cache (then data if that fails) from Samsung Keyboard, clipboard and any associated apps.
If you can't find it after a week or two and/or cry uncle, factory reset.
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Social media apps aren't the cause of this. After restarting my phone it came back on the samsung keyboard.
But this won't appear on my other keyboard now. How can I get this back?
Moxiipc said:
Social media apps aren't the cause of this. After restarting my phone it came back on the samsung keyboard.
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But this won't appear on my other keyboard now. How can I get this back?
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Something likely altered the User Data Partition data. Most likely a 3rd party app. If it's a user hidden setting finding it maybe fun
An adb edit might be able to fix it.
Best to keep the trashware off phone, load vetted apps only, and don't update if the OS/apps are fast, stable and fulfilling their mission. Otherwise this is the kind of crap that happens.
Play with it...
blackhawk said:
Something likely altered the User Data Partition data. Most likely a 3rd party app. If it's a user hidden setting finding it maybe fun
An adb edit might be able to fix it.
Best to keep the trashware off phone, load vetted apps only, and don't update if the OS/apps are fast, stable and fulfilling their mission. Otherwise this is the kind of crap that happens.
Play with it...
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I havent installed any new apps and the only one I updated is the "Unexpected Keyboard".
A user hidden setting for the clipboard? I wouldn't know where to begin to look. But I don't see any of the sorts in the developer options. I also have system updates and ota disabled.
Moxiipc said:
I havent installed any new apps and the only one I updated is the "Unexpected Keyboard".
A user hidden setting for the clipboard? I wouldn't know where to begin to look. But I don't see any of the sorts in the developer options. I also have system updates and ota disabled.
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Try uninstalling Unexpected Keyboard... now you know how it got its name
Samsung Keyboard is the best in my opinion. Try setting the Samsung Keyboard as the default keyboard.
Before you try uninstalling carefully look through all its settings to see if you can find one that brings back the clipboard link. It's possible that even if the app caused the issue that uninstalling it won't fix it. Poorly coded apps can raise hell.
Samsung is notorious for their "hidden" menus. Samsung Keyboard has some funky toggles and minor glitches at times like the keyboard colors inverting
Hidden user settings aren't meant to be user accessible but apps and updates can easily modify them. Someone here probably knows the specific adb value but I don't. It's well buried.
Try some Google searches, add XDA to search this forum using Google search.
Like I said, you're holding the device, play with it.
Make sure you didn't inadvertently change the setting yourself.
That's how I solve 100% of my issues. Sometimes it takes a few days or even weeks... keep at it. The load on this N10+ is over 2yo still running fast and stable. When I see an issue which is rare, I chase it down and correct it rather than resort to a factory reset.
blackhawk said:
Try uninstalling Unexpected Keyboard... now you know how it got its name
Samsung Keyboard is the best in my opinion. Try setting the Samsung Keyboard as the default keyboard.
Before you try uninstalling carefully look through all its settings to see if you can find one that brings back the clipboard link. It's possible that even if the app caused the issue that uninstalling it won't fix it. Poorly coded apps can raise hell.
Samsung is notorious for their "hidden" menus. Samsung Keyboard has some funky toggles and minor glitches at times like the keyboard colors inverting
Hidden user settings aren't meant to be user accessible but apps and updates can easily modify them. Someone here probably knows the specific adb value but I don't. It's well buried.
Try some Google searches, add XDA to search this forum using Google search.
Like I said, you're holding the device, play with it.
Make sure you didn't inadvertently change the setting yourself.
That's how I solve 100% of my issues. Sometimes it takes a few days or even weeks... keep at it. The load on this N10+ is over 2yo still running fast and stable. When I see an issue which is rare, I chase it down and correct it rather than resort to a factory reset.
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Well like I said I did uninstall it. I tried the same version and the previous version. Ive been using unexpected keyboard for a very long time and I have it on multiple devices they all have the clipboard still.
You may think the samsung keyboard is the best but I have my reasons for not using it simply telling me to just use it is not an answer to the problem its a deterrent. Try some google searches I have been searching thats why I came here and popped the question because after my searches I didn't find the answer which i wrote this in the first post btw. I'm holding the phone so play with it what do you think im doing just sitting idlely waiting for a response? Of course i'm going through everything.
Also have you ever used Unexpected Keyboard before? Your joke about it being called unexpected because its crappy is unwarranted especialy if you never used it before then you know nothing about it. Its a full virtual pc keyboard with ctrl, alt, fn & F1-F12 functionality plus more. With no tracking and its lightweight. Also I did check the settings again the only thingI ever changed on it was the theme from white to black horizontal and vertical padding from 4d to 1 & adjusted key spacing inbetween the keys thats all.
Don't knock it till you've tried it.
Unexpected Keyboard | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
A lightweight virtual keyboard for developers.
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Back to what I was saying all my other devices that have unexpected keyboard are not experiencing the issue only my A53 5G is being affected today. As for a hidden menu I can't imagine there would be one just to hide the clipboard button from holding down. Then again anything is possible with Samsung.
I appreciate your comments but I am looking for a more definitve answer then the general assumptions and being told just use samsung keyboard. I will try clearing the system cache as you suggested as that's the only thing I haven't tried yet but I don't think this will work but i'm willing to try and will get back to you on how that goes.
Also you mentioned a adb edit do you know exactly what I would have to change and have you tried this yourself just to see if it does affect that clipboard button?
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Well like I said I did uninstall it. I tried the same version and the previous version. Ive been using unexpected keyboard for a very long time and I have it on multiple devices they all have the clipboard still.
You may think the samsung keyboard is the best but I have my reasons for not using it simply telling me to just use it is not an answer to the problem its a deterrent. Try some google searches I have been searching thats why I came here and popped the question because after my searches I didn't find the answer which i wrote this in the first post btw. I'm holding the phone so play with it what do you think im doing just sitting idlely waiting for a response? Of course i'm going through everything.
Also have you ever used Unexpected Keyboard before? Your joke about it being called unexpected because its crappy is unwarranted especialy if you never used it before then you know nothing about it. Its a full virtual pc keyboard with ctrl, alt, fn & F1-F12 functionality plus more. With no tracking and its lightweight. Also I did check the settings again the only thingI ever changed on it was the theme from white to black horizontal and vertical padding from 4d to 1 & adjusted key spacing inbetween the keys thats all.
Don't knock it till you've tried it.
Unexpected Keyboard | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
A lightweight virtual keyboard for developers.
www.f-droid.org
Back to what I was saying all my other devices that have unexpected keyboard are not experiencing the issue only my A53 5G is being affected today. As for a hidden menu I can't imagine there would be one just to hide the clipboard button from holding down. Then again anything is possible with Samsung.
I appreciate your comments but I am looking for a more definitve answer then the general assumptions and being told just use samsung keyboard. I will try clearing the system cache as you suggested as that's the only thing I haven't tried yet but I don't think this will work but i'm willing to try and will get back to you on how that goes.
Also you mentioned a adb edit do you know exactly what I would have to change and have you tried this yourself just to see if it does affect that clipboard button?
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You got to admit it is sort of funny...
Unfortunately you may be the only one or just a few of the people who experienced this. A Google search will tell the tale. The more apps you add to the brew, the more that can go wrong.
Play with it, Google specific questions based on what you're experiencing. That's all I do, then play with it more until you find the root cause. Get/use specific tools you need to help find it.
It can be a lengthy process.
Or find a work around. Do you have Samsung Edge clipboard? If not try that.
Try this search: "samsung clipboard not working", etc.
Samsung members forum might have an answer.
In Android 12 IU 4.0 clipboard needs to be turned on in settings. So secure... it's useless.