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A bit of background: I will be attending UCLA as a computer science student in the fall. I will be bringing my desktop with me, and am trying to decide between a laptop/netbook or the Transformer.
Would the transformer work in conjunction with the desktop, or will I need a full laptop.
Thanks.
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You should consider what you want to use this device for before you decide. As a CS major, you will certainly be doing quite a bit of programming, and you might want to prefer to use a full linux environment for this, depends largely on the program you have at UCLA. What you can consider is to get this device and using the splashtop program access your desktop to do your programming. However, you will want to consider whether or not you want to utilize the local processing power of your device. It would be far simpler to use a laptop/netbook for those purposes, rather than trying to find solutions with the tablet+dock. In the end, if you find that you will be using the device docked most of the time for school, then you should probably consider just getting a laptop/netbook. If the convenience of the tablet and media consumption is something you'd prefer, then get the transformer.
tl;dr, I consider the transformer+dock a fun/entertainment device. For CS based schoolwork, you would most likely want a laptop/netbook.
unless you wanted to focus on tablet development in your coursework...but that's not for another 2 years...
Hope that helps.
It helped a lot. Thank you.
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Keep in mind that you can use the Transformer's bundled remote desktop app and/or a terminal app to control your PC, and run stuff that way - assuming you can connect to your desktop from wherever you are.
I do agree with omguss, if you don't plan on using the device mostly for entertainment, get a netbook/laptop.
Sorry if this is hijacking your thread (ill start a new thread if you want) but just wondering if there is a good note taking apps for android?
There are two uses I can see being needed for me.
First I would need something to annotate on pdf's and powerpoints. I remember seeing an app that looked pretty solid for this so it should be good.
Secondly I would need an app that I can be typing with the keyboard, and then when needed draw in equations, graphs, pictures, whatever. Not really sure if there is something good for this.
As a programmer, I would suggest getting a full laptop for somebody majoring in CS. As much as I love the transformer, you cannot compile code on it. At least in my searching I have not found a single IDE meant to be run on Android (Lot's target Android, but none run on Android). More than likely, there will be several times that you want to do work away from your room. On the transformer, the only real way to do this will be remote desktop software. It's up to you whether you think the remote desktop software will be sufficient for this, but one other thing I would caution against is the small keyboard. It is far more comfortable (and efficient) to program on a full-size (or as near to full-size as possible) keyboard.
I don't know what type of program you are going into, but if you take any courses on 3d graphics you are almost certainly going to lose the ability to test your programs through a remote desktop connection.
I personally think that tablets are great in conjunction with a desktop. I plan to get rid of my netbook once I get the transformer. My only concern for you is that a tablet simply isn't a good tool for programming. If the hacker community manages to get ubuntu onto the transformer then the device will be an acceptable programming tool in my opinion; although, you will still lack a full size keyboard.
My advice to you is wait until mid-to-late summer. There is a slew of new tech toys coming out this summer, and almost anything you get now will be outdated by the time you start in the fall. By summer you will know if we managed to get Ubuntu on the transformer, AMD's Llano processor will be out on laptops, and Tegra 3 tablets may be just around the corner.
BongoBong said:
Sorry if this is hijacking your thread (ill start a new thread if you want) but just wondering if there is a good note taking apps for android?
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Don't need to hijack anything. Just look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980783
I'm a secondary school student, I have a HP DM1 (Not the Z ), runs 7 pro X64 + VS 2010 Pro + VS2008 Pro. Got a load of VM's for debugging ETC...
Windows is good for note taking to, Onenote is great.
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Badwolve1
good old days of using SSH + eMacs + X client, they all switched to windows in school?
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Don't need to hijack anything. Just look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980783
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Thanks, but I have already seen that thread and done some other looking up and the majority of discussion is whats the best handwriting app. They really don't mention how good it would be for mostly typing (understandable since most would be using the on screen keyboard).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039287&highlight=onenote
someone seriously needs to start porting some compilers to android..
many scripting languages are available through SL4A but most CS courses are taught with C/C++ or Java. I'd love to help out with this project but I just wouldn't know where to start
Just adding on to this, since I'm a student and also looking for a tablet solution.
I'd love:
1. Printing to my university printers. My university currently requires you install some software to use their printers. Mac and Windows versions available, no Linux, no Android.
2. Onenote would be awesome. I read that there was an iPhone version available? Android should be coing soon hopefully.
I would suggest a full laptop, and something with high resolution. Once your CS load picks up you'll need something you can work on in between or during classes. Android lacking compilers on the OS itself is the killer here, otherwise you are free to code all you want via text editors.
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I would suggest a full laptop, and something with high resolution. Once your CS load picks up you'll need something you can work on in between or during classes. Android lacking compilers on the OS itself is the killer here, otherwise you are free to code all you want via text editors.
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As a CS student myself I would agree with the above and add that in programming classes you will want all the screen real-estate you can get your hands on(17"+), a good amount of hard disk space, 4gb+ ram, and a good Virtual Machine program. Less important is video and cpu power unless you intend to make it a desktop replacement/gaming machine.
That being said... Such a laptop is going to be rather heavy. I am getting the Transformer to replace an early gen AspireOne for less technical classes.
Just my $0.02
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Just adding on to this, since I'm a student and also looking for a tablet solution.
I'd love:
1. Printing to my university printers. My university currently requires you install some software to use their printers. Mac and Windows versions available, no Linux, no Android.
2. Onenote would be awesome. I read that there was an iPhone version available? Android should be coing soon hopefully.
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I was about to say that you're insane and that MS would never make OneNote for iOS but.. turns out you're right. That's really strange. Hopefully they start work on an Android version soon.
Edit: The iOS version of OneNote doesn't seem all that great. You can't write with a stylus.. it's just keyboard input. lame. Writing with a capacitive stylus on the transformer would kind of suck anyway, but I might still consider the HTC Flyer which has an active digitizer.
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I was about to say that you're insane and that MS would never make OneNote for iOS but.. turns out you're right. That's really strange. Hopefully they start work on an Android version soon.
Edit: The iOS version of OneNote doesn't seem all that great. You can't write with a stylus.. it's just keyboard input. lame. Writing with a capacitive stylus on the transformer would kind of suck anyway, but I might still consider the HTC Flyer which has an active digitizer.
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Right, but I'm interested in the Transformer almost purely because of the keyboard dock, so keyboard input only is fine with me tbh. As long as it's decently full featured.
I'm waiting to see if the AMD Llano will make the best thin gaming laptop. Hopefully, new AMD laptops will come out in June, right before back-to-school season.
Oh yeah, OneNote. Yeah, that's important too.
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Oh yeah, OneNote. Yeah, that's important too.
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Onenote is the single most useful piece of software MS has ever produced (Excluding win7;p))
Virtual Machines? Eh, I never needed to use one except when I was using a Mac. Wandering what you guys are doing with it.
Any laptop that is 13"+ in screen size is good. The power of the computer depends on what you plan to do. So you have to decide on the specs yourself. Dual Core is fine unless you plan to do any CPU intensive tasks. If you ever need a bigger screen, then you can just buy a monitor and hook it up so even a netbook could be fine if you are okay with the power it gives. 13"-15" is good. 17" is just monstrous and you don't want to be lugging that around.
Hello!
I want to buy a tablet for use in school instead of my notebook.
I really love Android Honeycomb but I have some problems here and there...
I will tell you something about what i need and want. I hope some of you can make some good suggestions.
I looked around a bit and three devices were generally suitable... The problem is I don'T know what to take... Win or Android...
The three devices:
-Acer Iconia A500 (or A501)
-Acer Iconia W500 (or W501)
-Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101
Perfect fo me would be to have a dual-booting tablet with Win7 and Honeycomb.
I want to have an easy to handle Tablet. Means I do never want to have a real HArd Disk. Thats why most Windows Tablets are not possible for me.
SSD or Flash / NAND storage is an important criteria.
Next I want my pad to be lightweight meaning I preferr ARM-Platforms as they have much less Hardware. Especially the Fan in x86-HW is annoying in my eyes.
But I need the Tablet for basicly five things:
-Presentations: Animated Presentations like in PowerPoint (That's a Contra Android I think)
-Text (Word or similar - Okay Eee Pad has an office solution)
-Table Calculation (low weight not so important)
-Software engineering (Which is a big Pro for Windows as I don't know apps for Android doing that.
-Gaming: Playing Minigames whan I'm off... Well thats a point where I like Android
And some point for me is the battery time... Unformtunately x86-Hardware is much power consuming in opptsite to ARM.
I'd love to have a device which is able to boot both systems but unfortunately honeycomb is not ported to x86 yet
Well I have a windows server so I could probably use terminal sessions for programming as a workaround
What do you think?
Or would you suggest me another Tablet else than the ones listed above?
Do you believe it will be possible to install Windows 8 onto Eee Pad Transformer?
Probably even DualBoot?
For school purposes, I think a Windows tablet would be your best bet. You just can't get all of the widely used/ popular business features in Android. Plus you don't wanna get distracted during class
I would have to Say Windows if it for school, but then again look into Android with Word power, or use of School related Apps, for which Android I think is perfect because of the use of many many different Apps to help with whatever situation you're in.
I would think Android would be a much better tablet experience than Windows.
Excluding the possibility of Windows 8.
I would like to point out Bluestacks
http://www.bluestacks.com/
Wait a few months, and a dual-booting tablet will be possible
In the meantime, have you used windows 7 with a touchscreen? IMHO, it kinda sucks.
hahah ,very thanks
Well Windows 7 on touchscreen is possible and it is quite usable. I tried one out (Ambiance AT-something)
But I really love Android as I already stated. And it is better in tiouchscreen-use of course.
The school I mean is not a regular school but it is a school wehre you go if you learn a job (don't know the english word for it). I'm learning an IT-Specialist Job so thats not any problem
The question is while looking on each parameter what would be the best choice for me?
None is suitable 100% I guess this will end up in a 45-55 percent decision...
As I you said generally Windows has much more "known" capabilities e.g. MS Office but on the other hand android is much better while talkting from tablets... It is more efficient light-weight (focussing on hardware specs) and when I focus on travelluign I would like to have android as it has more battery lifetime and at the same time the games are better (You have to remember that most windows games are too hardware-hungry to run on a tablet and if they do you have battery times around two hours? )
For my purposes the polaris office Word equivalent is enough.
The presentation thing is okay for small presentations. for bigger ones I'd have to use windows or wait until some software comes out (which will happen I think)
I did not try table caluclation on polaris office yet...
A big plus-point for windows is programming... IS there any software out for android which supports that? I don't think so.
But therefore I could use my server as I already said.
A big plus for android is portabliity and the in my oppinion better games for entertaiment.
Besides the Transformers Screen is awsome in comparison to the Acer...
The transformer does have a nice screen. It's a quite capable tablet, I liked the hardware much more than the Acer. Honeycomb just isnt quite there yet. If It has to work and be easy, go Windows. If it has to be fun go Android
I wouldn't buy any android tablet at the present date, especially if i don't wanna use it mainly as a toy...android is not mature yet, it still has a lot of glitches to be ironed out, on a tablet they can become even more annoying.
It'S exactly what my problem is^^ I want fun but also be able to do my work.
But I don't mind having it a bit more complicated then.
I would instantly say I take a windows thing and use android-x86 ginger as dualboot... But I dislike the x86-Arch-Hardware in a Tablet.
Tablet android 100%
There is already a tablet with dual booting os i.e. android n windows....
here is the link..
rajivshahi said:
There is already a tablet with dual booting os i.e. android n windows....
here is the link..
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Friend I am really sceptic when I see a Dual-Booting Tablet, looking like an ipad coming from Hong Kong and haveing Win7 ULTIMATE on it.
Next there is another doing this from Viewsonic. But installing Android 2.2 or 2.3 on an x86 platform is not the problem...
Honeycomb is not possible unfortunately - YET I know TegaTech is workign on it and it is running. Just google not permitting the release yet.
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Tablet android 100%
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Can you describe why?
Going off what you've said you need it for, and that you don't mind how W7 works on a tablet, I'd say go that route, and install bluestacks when it comes out to get your android games.
Coding inside android is not something I've ever heard about, I know you mentioned it, but I don't know how important it is to you.
If battery life is really important, however, I'd recommended the Asus transformer - massive battery life with the dock, and works great as a netbook or a tablet. Dunno how Google docs or similar works on it as an office suite, but its definitely an option.
Thanks mtmerrick
Your post is exactly what I think.
Win7 is good in software and Transformer in Hardware...
If Transformer 2 was out now I would have bought it... Do you think if I buy TF now I will be able to install WIndows 8 on it when it comes out?
I don't know if it's even possible to install anything there?
//Edit: The Programming part is not important for me. But for School. As said I'd use Terminal Sessions for this purpose when thats the only death criteria for android.
Thank my posts if they helped.
There's been talk of putting windows 8 on android devices already, but its too soon to say if it'll actually be possible. I also want to add, Windows 8 ARM apps are most likely not going to be compatible with windows 8 x86 and x64 programs, if that makes a difference to you.
Android has several office suites avalible, and they're pretty good. I'm not exactly sure how strong they are but I do know they're more then enough for most of my entire office. Add the Transformer's hardware keyboard and you should be good to go.
So, I've effectively talked myself into the Asus Eee Pad Transformer for you. What do you think?
I am sure Windows 8 ARM will support MSOffice and Visual C# Express As wella s there will be a notepad++ compile for ARM so that's really all I need lol
Well Microsoft has already said there'll he a version of Office avalible for ARM, so no need to worry about that. But, as I said, android office apps should be all you need,expically with that hardware keyboard. And the transformer has an HDMI out, if I remember correctly, so that (probably) means dual monitor support, and definitely mirroring. Thing is, most people just don't NEED the full capabilities of windows. Only reasons for my laptop are AutoCAD and iTunes. And if windows 8 ARM is going to require its own programs, honestly, why bother with it?
I agree with you.
Define "need"
I saw ubuntu is able to run on the transformer... That opens a new way =)
Which includes even most programming problems
Does anyone know if I can dualboot Android and Ubuntu on the Transformer?
If yes I know what I will buy
android of cos....
Because I know they made it to tablets and PC
Does it even possible?
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Because I know they made it to tablets and PC
Does it even possible?
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No, it isn't possible. The TF2 on the other hand should be able to handle it just fine.
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never say never !! They alredy showd a demo on a Tegra2 tablet
Maroon Mushroom said:
No, it isn't possible. The TF2 on the other hand should be able to handle it just fine.
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Can you back up what you saying. Is it because you say so? Do you have any links or so to backup your comment? I thought it doesnt need much resources or much lesser as win 7. Even the older intel atom silicons will run on it and with 1 gig ram. If I am wrong please correct me
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Can you back up what you saying. Is it because you say so? Do you have any links or so to backup your comment? I thought it doesnt need much resources or much lesser as win 7. Even the older intel atom silicons will run on it and with 1 gig ram. If I am wrong please correct me
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+1
Just what i am thinking
Would be cool to have some programs that haven't got a open source counter part
But then the next question would be how to have Android Ubuntu and windows 8 lol
I'd probably choose Ubuntu if couldn't have all three windows is what the desktops for after all
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It's not likely to happen unless Microsoft decides to offer an OEM installer of the tablet version of the OS. The current state of tablets and phones is that all of these devices come pre-installed with an OS, with no ability to change which OS is installed without hacking it and voiding the warranty as reflected in the TOS or EULA of the devices. You are sold the device as is with no support from the manufacturer for installing third party software.
The only reason we can still install Android on devices like the iPhone and HP TouchPad is because Android is open source, which allows independent developers to custom tailor the OS to new hardware. Microsoft Windows is not open source, and therefore the burden lies upon Microsoft to work with the manufacturers to develop an inventory of working drivers and bootloaders for full Windows 8 support on tablets.
If you buy a PC without Windows already installed on it, you need an OEM installer disc to install the OS. There is no such thing offered by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, there has not been any word of a similar solution when Windows 8 hits tablets and phones, nor does there exist consumer phones and tablets that can be bought without an OS pre-installed. For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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There is no such think as a desktop version of Windows 8. Everything is one version - it is only that they have only released x84/64 versions for download as of now.
Nothing is stopping you having an ARM desktop PC if that's what you choose. It's just a processor - nothing to do with form factor.
my tf is going to run win8.
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It's not likely to happen unless Microsoft decides to offer an OEM installer of the tablet version of the OS. The current state of tablets and phones is that all of these devices come pre-installed with an OS, with no ability to change which OS is installed without hacking it and voiding the warranty as reflected in the TOS or EULA of the devices. You are sold the device as is with no support from the manufacturer for installing third party software.
The only reason we can still install Android on devices like the iPhone and HP TouchPad is because Android is open source, which allows independent developers to custom tailor the OS to new hardware. Microsoft Windows is not open source, and therefore the burden lies upon Microsoft to work with the manufacturers to develop an inventory of working drivers and bootloaders for full Windows 8 support on tablets.
If you buy a PC without Windows already installed on it, you need an OEM installer disc to install the OS. There is no such thing offered by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, there has not been any word of a similar solution when Windows 8 hits tablets and phones, nor does there exist consumer phones and tablets that can be bought without an OS pre-installed. For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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These are really good points. But, since MS is already behind on installing OS on about a billion devices I think Windows 8 is a great opportunity to change their current policy and release an installable iso for ARM, Tegra 2 & 3, i5 & i7, etc. That is my opinion.
But, I would not bet on it.
In other news, I hear lipstick sales are on the rise.
LOL
For your information:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/...-8-developer-program-with-support-for-kal-el/
Possibly! Since Windows 8 will run on ARM devices and Tegra2 is an ARM device.
Lawliet said:
Possibly! Since Windows 8 will run on ARM devices and Tegra2 is an ARM device.
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From this link it says the Arm version isn't available yet because it is not finished, isn't Tegra 2 an Arm version?
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/hands-on-windows-8-review-1025259
As expected, Microsoft is using its Build developer conference to distribute a pre-beta, developer preview version of Windows 8 (for x86 PCs only; the hardware to run the ARM version on isn't finished yet).
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If this becomes available for the TF then I will finally have a reason to root the device, dual booting with windows 8 will be a killer. The specs on the the TF should be fine, dual core with 1 gig ram. Moreover it is an optimized touch interface, I can't see myself running to buy a 23 inch touch panel for my desktop just to use Windows 8 as it was designed. Jeez, I will go blind having such a big monitor at arms length.
I can go out today and purchase a retail copy of Windows 7 that I can install on any Intel-based system with the required specs. That's true because the entire PC industry is built around such capabilities.
Will they release a retail copy of ARM-based Windows 8? I dunno. Do they sell embedded versions of Windows at retail? I could see them only selling ARM versions of Windows 8 to OEMs, who custom-install it on their ARM devices. Does that mean it could be made to run on something like the Transformer? I have no idea, but I trust the ingenuity of devs to get it done if it's even remotely possible.
Does that mean I'd use it, if there were no official support? Perhaps not, because these are tools for me as opposed to "just" hobbies. Not that there's anything wrong with it. But I would absolutely use it if Asus were to provide the option and support it.
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windows is what the desktops for after all
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Not really... Windows 8 seems touch optimized IMO. in fact i found it a bit annoying to use on my laptop, nevertheless awesome so I'm keeping Windows 8.
Who is the target market that Microsoft is aiming for with this new OS?
I just don't see traditional PC users running to the stores to upgrade their monitors with touch interface staring at a 24 inch, 1 foot from their face, nor PC users getting used to the Metro interface with no right click traditional mouse support. Let alone the costs of those touch monitors.
If their targeting tablet users I doubt they will make much headway against Apple loyalists so they will go after Android? Android is free, there are little costs associated with the manufactures in using the Android OS, if Samsung, Asus, Acer, toshiba decides to abandon Android and use Windows 8 they will be upping the price for their tablets, would customers pay a premium for an unproven OS? Windows 8 still uses much of Windows 7 core, what about the batt drain?
The more I think about it, I doubt we will get any port over to existing tablets.
The only way I see windows 8 really taking a hold in the tablet field is if it can somehow run traditional x86 windows programs on the arm based version. Otherwise it really has nothing to gain over the competition.
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The only way I see windows 8 really taking a hold in the tablet field is if it can somehow run traditional x86 windows programs on the arm based version. Otherwise it really has nothing to gain over the competition.
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This is it, precisely. Microsoft has said that all Windows apps will run on the ARM version. So, imagine this: a Transformer (2? 3?) with a keyboard dock option and an active digitizer/pen, that can run both tablet-style apps and full-fledged Windows apps.
This would be the absolute best of both worlds: the convenient, instant-on, long-running "casual" tablet device mainly for consumption and light content creation, in a lightweight format that's easy to use in any situation. And that offers precise pen input (which was always outstanding on Windows Tablet PCs) for handwritten notes, diagrams, drawings, etc. Then, pop it in the dock for real work with complete network connectivity, robust file system support, full-sized apps like Office, etc.
If Microsoft gets this right, Windows 8 could be an incredibly compelling platform.
Nvidia has stated that they wish to branch the tegra platform out to desktops. This means that either they are guessing or already know that the operating system will be available in retail form at some point for ARM cpus (at least the way I see it).
as for our particular tablet that probably depends a lot on the manufactures of the hardware components for it and or Asus. The tegra2 SoC does not contain every little thing that is on a tablet. The touch screen controllers, the cameras, the proprietary ports, drive interfaces, and even some of the memory controllers are external of the SoC. The companies that make the drivers for some of these devices will need to release windows 8 ARM versions of their drivers. Now just guessing, I suspect that will happen.
I really don't see MS just releasing an embedded version of windows 8 for the arm platform. More than likely they see it as another path for desktops and laptops and will release an OEM and retail version. As for all the apps working across both ARM and x86 CPUs that will be interesting to see if it comes to be. I think the only way to pull that off is some kind of emulation right? Though app manufactures could make a x86(rather x64) version and an ARM version.
Even if it was available, I would rather have my honeycomb.
Sure Win8 has some touch friendly features built into it, but the OS wasn't built for touch only from the ground up.
We also wouldn't have things like custom ROMs to play with.
I'm running Win8 on 2 of my computers now, but outside of a desktop, I don't think it's practical anymore after Android
I am considering buying the Transformer TF700, but I am wondering if it is possible to root the tablet and install Windows 8 on it when W8 is available for purchase?
Regards, Sari
Unlikely, Win 8 requires an encrypted bootloader.
Installing Win8 as a 2nd OS, NO. But running linux as a second OS and Virtual machine windows on it, Yes. Just not sure how stable that would be, or how fluid. You can always wait and see as asus have announced a partnership with Microsoft for a duclboot android windows Pad...maybe, HOPEFULLY, the hardware will be close enough to our infinity for devs to port it over
Its possible. That locked down requirement is for OEMs, I doubt it'd be hardcoded into the OS since that'd be hard to detect or easy to spoof. Asus's WinRT tablets are Tegra 3 based, so depending on which variant they use it might be relatively simple to port.
Very unlikely. I couldn't spout the technicals for you, but it is a very closed down system, and MC certainly doesn't want any modding or porting in any way.
Assuming you mean Windows RT, then...well, I'm sure Microsoft is probably going to do everything they can to ensure that Windows RT doesn't run on anything other than approved devices.
Ah, that's disappointing :l Thanks for your replies!
I used to be very interested in Win 8 but now I am not sure I want it on a Tablet. I know eveybody is saying it is going to be great on tablets, but nobody really knows yet, and I have been an early adopter of other mobile OS products like Win Smartphones, that were big failures. The beauty of Android is it is more open source so its easy to create apps for it, so I am not sure Windows will ever get the kind of app libraries (Free or cheap) Android and IOS have. Looking at Microsoft's history, I am not sure they will excel in this market at this point.
Just my thoughts . .
guitar1969 said:
... Looking at Microsoft's history, I am not sure they will excel in this market at this point.
Just my thoughts . .
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This ^^ -- given the fact that I've owned several Windows Mobile devices that have hung somewhere in space as far as support and development went and that MS have crashed several of their purportedly groundbreaking devices in the past (the Zune and the Kin spring to mind in particular) doesn't really inspire me with any hope that the Surface and its successors will be anything to drool about, except maybe for 'paper specs'.
For the graphically inclined and those in search for a read, a search for "Microsoft failures" comes up with, amongst others:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enterprise...osofts-Biggest-Failures-and-Successes-500262/
http://www.money.co.uk/misc/microsofts-biggest-flops-and-failures.htm
http://www.complex.com/tech/2009/05/a-history-of-microsofts-biggest-failures
Just for fun, those.
No way.... The largest software development company in the world has had failures? Who would ever have thought that?
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No way.... The largest software development company in the world has had failures? Who would ever have thought that?
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It's not that they had failures, smart boy -- it's their touting so much 'groundbreaking' stuff that wouldn't even float by itself if you threw it in a lake of polystyrene packaging chips.
Ugh, Win8 with its crappy touchy-feely interface. I am fully convinced that desktop and laptop systems are here to stay, whether for gaming or productivity, so I do not need an interface optimized for mobile touchscreen devices on my rather immobile main piece of trusted hardware.
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Its possible. That locked down requirement is for OEMs, I doubt it'd be hardcoded into the OS since that'd be hard to detect or easy to spoof. Asus's WinRT tablets are Tegra 3 based, so depending on which variant they use it might be relatively simple to port.
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I think we should wait for any publicly available Windows RT firmware for download. It Asus releases Tablet 600 - that would be even better for us.
I recall the first Hackintoshs (based on first Mac OS X 10.4/Tiger for x86) being run on Pentium 4 and AMD platforms. It required VM and very strong BIOS modifications (as Macs had EFI, at that time unavailable for PCs). Then there were some modified kos (kernel objects, i.e. modules) that enabled it running on PCs with stock BIOS. Later a vanilla kernel was compiled that enabled the system work without problems.
Considering Windows RT port, the last step would be most likely impossible as we don't have kernel source (AFAIK the latest Widows source available is that one of Win2000), but nothing prevents us from attempting to run the Windows RT-enabled device firmware on TF700 and trying to debug failures. However, this can take a long time.
I'm more concerned about running any Linux distro in dualboot with Android %)
What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
LEGOracer69 said:
What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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Is anywhere its firmware?
The main issue would be the bootloader; the resolution in Windows is much easier to fix.
P.S. "I want NATIVE ubuntu on TF700!" - +1. I bought TF700 as a super long-lasting netbook =)
I have the Asus TF600. It has a lower screen Res and twice the ram of the TF700. WIndows RT requires activation just like the desktop version.
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What about the new ASUS tablet, tegra 3, windows RT. The same hardware, but different system and screen resolution.
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That's wonderful!
When did you buy it?
Have you found the firmware?
I only found this: http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&m=asus vivotab rt - there is only a manual.
Windows activation has never been a probem since its appearance in XP =) The bootloader should be more tricky.
tf700t 1gb ram win8 problem
Even if someone manages to port Win8 over to the tf700, do you think they will curb the use of it by shutting it down from the windows market side?? Especially with RT you wind up at the complete mercy of Microsoft when it comes to applying any apps to the device. I'd be interested in seeing if it could be done as long as there is no hang up on the application side of the equation. Won't do me much good to have a working os with no apps to run on it.
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I've found this on Youtube and it was used for another tablet. Apparently , it installs Windows 8 on an Android tablet and someone could back up the Android partition in case said person wanted to get back to Android.
http://changemysoftware.org/cms8edition.php
Has anyone tried this on their Note Pros yet?
I am not enthused about win 8 on any platform.
Bystorm said:
I've found this on Youtube and it was used for another tablet. Apparently , it installs Windows 8 on an Android tablet and someone could back up the Android partition in case said person wanted to get back to Android.
http://changemysoftware.org/cms8edition.php
Has anyone tried this on their Note Pros yet?
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... didn't even know it was around... well, maybe I'm being unneedfully suspicious, but there's lots about this ( I watched the video ) that doesn't quite work...
... how Windows 8 is running on whatever chipset is in his tablet escapes me. My gut instinct is to say it's in some sort of virtualized container, but ...
... I noticed at the end of the video there was virtually no demonstration of how it performed. did the touch screen work? Was it laggy?
... anytime I'm just clicking away and letting software from who knows where just fly on to my device, well, I need to have my head examined.
It would be super cool if this was legit and produced a functional way to swap between OS's; I'm just not buying it for now based on what the site and video is showing.
I have an android tablet to avoid windows tablets... Pretty much zero reason to use Windows short of office.
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Echo the opinions of others when I say I have absolutely no desire to ever own a windows tablet.
The website in question though just screams STAY AWAY to me. It's clean . . too clean . . there's no testimonials, no compatibility lists, and no support FAQs or forums of any kind to allow one to see a history of testing and interaction with users. For me, support is often a big deal and that should especially be true for a product such as this where you're potentially going to softbrick your device when you repartition it. While I'm sure there would be a way to get back to stock I'm not the least bit interested in finding out . .
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I have an android tablet to avoid windows tablets... Pretty much zero reason to use Windows short of office.
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I'm between Android and Mac/iOS myself. Wherever the art geared tech flows, I follow, but that's just me. I don't see the point of Windows tablets myself, but if factors changed, I'd jump only with the other options had nothing to offer me anymore.
Don't even need Office anymore. Just get Libreoffice, which got a heavy UI overhaul recently. I just found it as a curiosity. I still remember running a virtual machine of 2000 on the Note 10.1 , and it was slow as can be. I'm not sure how well virtual machines run on the Note Pro, but I doubt anything beyond XP would run well.
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... didn't even know it was around... well, maybe I'm being unneedfully suspicious, but there's lots about this ( I watched the video ) that doesn't quite work...
... how Windows 8 is running on whatever chipset is in his tablet escapes me. My gut instinct is to say it's in some sort of virtualized container, but ...
... I noticed at the end of the video there was virtually no demonstration of how it performed. did the touch screen work? Was it laggy?
... anytime I'm just clicking away and letting software from who knows where just fly on to my device, well, I need to have my head examined.
It would be super cool if this was legit and produced a functional way to swap between OS's; I'm just not buying it for now based on what the site and video is showing.
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I agree with all your points. I found the site and a lack of an actual forum to navigate to be unfortunate, because I'd like to experiment with the software. I might sacrifice my outdated Captivate to see how this works.
That website is completely fake. DO NOT USE.
We've discussed changemysoftware.org several times before on XDA. It's fake.