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[Q] ROOT Beginners questions

Hey guys,
I saw alot of guides out there to Root your SNS, all different, and none explain some basics stuff. I want to understand what I'm doing and not doing it like a robot. So I'll ask some newbie questions I got into:
1) What's the difference between ROOT / unlocking bootloader / oem unlock ?
2) Is it possible to save all your apps and data before Rooting your SNS by some way ? I know there's these apps Nandroid and Titanium backup, but both can used only after rooting no ?
3) I saw there's guide to Root i9020T only, and i9023 & i9020A separately, what is it ? how do I know what I have ?
4) What's the best recovery out there ? Clockwork mod ? If I use it and I want to update it, do I need to download the new version and transfer it again, or does it have auto update ?
5) What is Fastloader / Fastboot ? what does it do ?
6) What is Superuser ? what does it do ?
7) What is Flash rom, or Flash recovery ?
8) What is the best and most updated guide for Rooting SNS out there ? there just so many, I need something that most reliable
9) I wanted to make sure the all these processes are reversible, that if I'll find out the original stock rom was better for me, if I could undone all the rooting and recovery changing and go back to the stock rom with original updates from google (like new) ?
10) For people that have done it, does it worth rooting the SNS at all ? does the Roms out there for SNS are good enough to replace the stock one ? I've heard that most good roms are for Galaxys, and SNS has the basics, is it true ?
Thanks for your patience, sorry for being pain in the ass

ariel2011 said:
Hey guys,
I saw alot of guides out there to Root your SNS, all different, and none explain some basics stuff. I want to understand what I'm doing and not doing it like a robot. So I'll ask some newbie questions I got into:
1) What's the difference between ROOT / unlocking bootloader / oem unlock ?
2) Is it possible to save all your apps and data before Rooting your SNS by some way ? I know there's these apps Nandroid and Titanium backup, but both can used only after rooting no ?
3) I saw there's guide to Root i9020T only, and i9023 & i9020A separately, what is it ? how do I know what I have ?
4) What's the best recovery out there ? Clockwork mod ? If I use it and I want to update it, do I need to download the new version and transfer it again, or does it have auto update ?
5) What is Fastloader / Fastboot ? what does it do ?
6) What is Superuser ? what does it do ?
7) What is Flash rom, or Flash recovery ?
8) What is the best and most updated guide for Rooting SNS out there ? there just so many, I need something that most reliable
9) I wanted to make sure the all these processes are reversible, that if I'll find out the original stock rom was better for me, if I could undone all the rooting and recovery changing and go back to the stock rom with original updates from google (like new) ?
10) For people that have done it, does it worth rooting the SNS at all ? does the Roms out there for SNS are good enough to replace the stock one ? I've heard that most good roms are for Galaxys, and SNS has the basics, is it true ?
Thanks for your patience, sorry for being pain in the ass
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I will explain it to you in about one hour, because nobody want to tell you, but I'm on beach atm and writing from the is not very handy!
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Borky_16 said:
I will explain it to you in about one hour, because nobody want to tell you, but I'm on beach atm and writing from the is not very handy!
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Yea I figured people won't have the strength to answer all that, I understand them
Ok thanks, take your time !

1. Root gives you ability to run applications that require root access.
Unlocking bootloader is the same thing as OEM unlock. Unlocking the bootloader allows you to flash custom recoveries which leads you to flashing custom ROMs & kernels. With the Nexus series, it is a legitimate device that permits you to unlock the bootloader without using a exploit.
2) No. This is not possible, upon unlocking the bootloader. It will wipe all of your data due to a security measure. And yes, nandroid can only be usable when you flash Clockwork Recovery. Titanium Backup requires root. And to obtain root, you need to flash su.zip (or whatever method you desire to). The best thing you could do when you first get the NS is to oem unlock. You don't have to gain root right away, but at least unlock the bootloader so you keep it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931865 but if you go that road.. its all you, i rather unlock the bootloader. easier on the long run
3) What is your location? Carrier?
4) There is only one recovery. Clockwork. Not many changes need to be done to the recovery in the first place. Once a stable version is out, it will remain that way. Recoveries don't get updated that much. I'd recommend the 4.0.0.2 modified version in the development forum than to the standard one. It is formatted a lot better than the original. If you wish to get the official one, download ROM manager from the market and flash it there. It will give you Clockwork v3.0.2.4.
To flash 4.0.0.2, you need to go into bootloader mode and use ADB (fastboot).
5) Fastboot allows you to flash custom image files such as bootloader, radio, recovery.
6) Superuser is 'administrative' access to your phone. It unlimits you and allows you to take full permissions all over your phone including changes outside of /sdcard/.
7) Let's use this as an example,
Android = Windows
ROM = Heavily modified version of Windows tweaked for faster speeds, new features, and so forth.
Flash Recovery allows you to flash custom ROMs & kernels.
Kernels... new features. Easy to do. Recommend Netarchy's 1.3.7 kernel.
8) Only one way to root the Nexus S. It's the easiest out of any other phone. One clicks are for lazy people.
9) Yes you can undo it. But you probably wont because custom ROMs are amazing.
10) Yes its worth rooting. You're asking about it, so you're obviously thinking about it. You can always unroot. But I doubt it
Anyway. Hit the thanks button, any more questions. Feel free to ask! I'll be here.
P.S. Just call it "NS" its not "SNS"

ariel2011 said:
Yea I figured people won't have the strength to answer all that, I understand them
Ok thanks, take your time !
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oh he was faster! but yeah thats it! and hit his thanks button
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Borky_16 said:
oh he was faster! but yeah thats it! and hit his thanks button
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It's not a race Just trying to answer his question hehe.

zephiK said:
It's not a race Just trying to answer his question hehe.
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yeah I know!

Since when does Salzburg have a beach?

First of all, thank you for your detailed explanation ! things are more clear now
and you too Borky_16, even tho you didn't make it eventually
zephiK said:
allows you to flash custom recoveries which leads you to flashing custom ROMs & kernels
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zephiK said:
5) Fastboot allows you to flash custom image files such as bootloader, radio, recovery.
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As I asked in question 7, I don't really understand the meaning of the verb flash, what does it mean to flash recoveries/roms/images ?
and btw what is kernels ?
zephiK said:
3) What is your location? Carrier?
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Israel, Carrier: Cellcom, but I bought it on BestBuy from US. In my Baseband version is says: I9020XXKD1. Does it mean anything ?
zephiK said:
8) Only one way to root the Nexus S. It's the easiest out of any other phone.
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So you're saying the only real guide is the one in the General forum? :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895545
again, thanks for your help

ariel2011 said:
So you're saying the only real guide is the one in the General forum? :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895545
again, thanks for your help
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http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/17/how-to-root-the-samsung-nexus-s/

ariel2011 said:
First of all, thank you for your detailed explanation ! things are more clear now
and you too Borky_16, even tho you didn't make it eventually
As I asked in question 7, I don't really understand the meaning of the verb flash, what does it mean to flash recoveries/roms/images ?
and btw what is kernels ?
Israel, Carrier: Cellcom, but I bought it on BestBuy from US. In my Baseband version is says: I9020XXKD1. Does it mean anything ?
So you're saying the only real guide is the one in the General forum? :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895545
again, thanks for your help
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to flash means to install; or, to write the image to the partition.
an image is a copy of something. a partition is an area of your phone's storage. when you flash, you write the content of the image into the partition.
the main partitions are system, data, recovery, boot, and radio.
when you flash custom kernel, you are writing an image to the boot partition.
when you flash a custom rom, you are writing images to the boot and system partitions (roms usually include kernels to ensure compatibility).
when you flash a recovery, you are writing an image to the recovery partition.
when you factory reset, you are erasing the data partition.
also you can flash other partitions easily from a modified recovery. so the easiest way to set up your phone to be easily modified is to use a program called fastboot to flash a custom recovery image. then you boot your phone into that custom recovery and from there you can easily flash custom roms and kernels. and if all you want is to gain root access, then you just go into recovery and flash a superuser file.
hopefully that explains it!

ariel2011 said:
and btw what is kernels ?
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A kernel is the "core" of an operating system which, in case of Android, is Linux. It provides interface to all hardware on you NS -- CPU, memory, touch screen, speaker, etc. (see the picture in the link)
Your NS cannot operate correctly without a compatible kernel, so mind what you are going to flash to your boot partition.

suksit said:
A kernel is the "core" of an operating system which, in case of Android, is Linux. It provides interface to all hardware on you NS -- CPU, memory, touch screen, speaker, etc. (see the picture in the link)
Your NS cannot operate correctly without a compatible kernel, so mind what you are going to flash to your boot partition.
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Pretty much what he said. I recommend a custom kernel such as Netarchy's kernel. Adds Voodoo Sound which is pretty much amazing. Custom kernels add a lot of custom features, highlights of the additional features can be found in a kernel thread such as OC, Voodoo Sound,Voodoo Color, Tunko, etc....

Thanks guys, u really helped me out, I'll work on rooting my NS right now

I also recommend Matr1x
But listen to zephik, he's a good person and is always willing to help
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rentaric said:
Since when does Salzburg have a beach?
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I'm in Italy! and I call my hotel home because I will be there the whole summer !

so, my NS is rooted, with clockwork mod 4.0.0.2
tell me, each time I want to change rom I need to wipe everything before ? including sdcard ?

ariel2011 said:
so, my NS is rooted, with clockwork mod 4.0.0.2
tell me, each time I want to change rom I need to wipe everything before ? including sdcard ?
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No, you don't have to wipe sdcard. Don't ever do that.
Only thing you need to wipe is factory settings, and cache, and dalvik when flashing one rom to another.
Upgrading from one rom to the same rom but a newer version, just flash but I usually wipe dalvik and cache. You don't have to.
Kernel is the same. The I wip those two, and you don't have to.
Wiping hose two doesn't make you lose any files or data. Just a longer first boot because android is rebuilding the cache
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zephiK said:
No, you don't have to wipe sdcard. Don't ever do that.
Only thing you need to wipe is factory settings, and cache, and dalvik when flashing one rom to another.
Upgrading from one rom to the same rom but a newer version, just flash but I usually wipe dalvik and cache. You don't have to.
Kernel is the same. The I wip those two, and you don't have to.
Wiping hose two doesn't make you lose any files or data. Just a longer first boot because android is rebuilding the cache
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wiping dalvik and cache is only to do if you change the kernel at a rom! when you upgrade a rom, then the updater-script will do that, only to be correct

Borky_16 said:
wiping dalvik and cache is only to do if you change the kernel at a rom! when you upgrade a rom, then the updater-script will do that, only to be correct
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Hm, didn't know the script would wipe it for you. Good to know! I'll continue wiping it just because it's a habit.
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HELP! regarding sensation xe

Hello Xda , I need some serious help.
I got sensation xe from my friend who wanted me to root it. It was updated on ICS with hboot version 1.27. First I tried various methods including revolutionary but I got to know that rev doesn't support 1.27 yet.
I got it unlocked from HTCDev and then I tried flashing CWM through different ways. In the process of looking into xda I found out a software called android flasher. I flashed CWM through it and it was finally flashed.
Now I downloaded ARHD with superwipe script. I did as suggested but after installation was done. There was nothing different than the stock rom except it showed android revolution hd in the software information.
Then I tried MIUI for sensation. I wiped all the data and cache and installed it.
Since then I am getting stuck at the miui screen and nothing is happening.
I then went back in to the recovery and wiped all data and cache again and rebooted the device but its still stuck in the image of miui. I formatted sd card and everything , I even partitioned it but nothings happening now. Its stuck on miui screen and I cant even mount my sd card. CWM is not mounting it
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME OUT. Its not my phone and I have to return it by tomorrow. Please help me out here. I am really a noob and I really need your help guys

Dowload official RUU and flash it - there is Sticky thread in Developement to answer all your questions

thanks for the quick reply but how am i going to flash it when i cant mount the sd card?

do the extra 1 step from this guide
also get rid of cwm for the time being and use 4EXT ..as long as you are SON...with HTC-dev unlocked bootloader

how do i get rid of cwm?
sorry for being such a noob

atta123 said:
how do i get rid of cwm?
sorry for being such a noob
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by flashing 4EXT recovery and to do that
its in the same guide ..step 2 and step 3 ( its required for SON devices)

Type in: adb devices (This will give you a list of devices attached to your computer, so if your phone is correctly attached it should show up.)
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my phone isnt showing up. its connected to the pc in fastboot mode

atta123 said:
Type in: adb devices (This will give you a list of devices attached to your computer, so if your phone is correctly attached it should show up.)
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my phone isnt showing up. its connected to the pc in fastboot mode
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all the adb commands in the guide are to make the phone go to fastboot ...but you are already at fastboot
so in the guide until the step "adb reboot-bootloader" skip them
then follow the rest of steps

What is the obsession with this stupid superwipe script? It is, always has been and always will be completely unnecessary.

I am already in fastboot then how can i flash 4ext?

atta123 said:
I am already in fastboot then how can i flash 4ext?[/QU
see the guide ...he has given the clear cut commands ...you just need to type ....fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
(whats there to worry there )
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ive flashed 4ext recovery and flashed ahrd , rebooted the device but nothing changes :s its still the stock rom but the only thing that has changed is in the software information which shows android revolution. other than that its the stock rom .. nothing is changing .. I flashed the rom successfully
what could be the reason?

atta1234 said:
ive flashed 4ext recovery and flashed ahrd , rebooted the device but nothing changes :s its still the stock rom but the only thing that has changed is in the software information which shows android revolution. other than that its the stock rom .. nothing is changing .. I flashed the rom successfully
what could be the reason?
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so the rom is booting fine ?
also
ARHD ..looks stockish..but its optimized ...which gives better performance
you want change try sense 4 roms ..try other roms ..

bro yes its booting fine. the basic stuff working but its the same as stock rom. i mean not due to the interface. it has nothing related to rooted phone. no su , no customizable menu.

atta1234 said:
bro yes its booting fine. the basic stuff working but its the same as stock rom. i mean not due to the interface. it has nothing related to rooted phone. no su , no customizable menu.
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if you flashed ARHD 6.x series you have supersu ...check it
also there is no customizable menu given
i fyou mean quick settings
flash leedroid tweaks 4.3
link in development section search it

should i try coredroid?

atta1234 said:
should i try coredroid?
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i havent tried it so i cant comment
see the screen shots ..if you liked it try it

thank you man. but when i was installing the rom it said about sony bravia engine and etc etc.. nothing is really new. not even the first boot screen. :s
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dude its the third rom i am installing. its insert coin and just like miui its stuck at boot screen again :s tell me where i am wrong

atta1234 said:
thank you man. but when i was installing the rom it said about sony bravia engine and etc etc.. nothing is really new. not even the first boot screen. :s
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dude its the third rom i am installing. its insert coin and just like miui its stuck at boot screen again :s tell me where i am wrong
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god...did you read the guide i linked ?
you need to enable smart flash ..every time before you flash a ROM..thats the curse with SON (smartflash didnt do any help ..then do the extra 1 step)
also read the guide i've linked completely ..and understand it then .....flash the rom

i am still stuck at the boot screen
the boot screen is htc sensation > sensation in the middle in large font.
i even enabled fast flash. no output
please help me
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thanks man ! finally i installed insert coined.
THanks man , really appreciate your help.
can I add you on facebook if you dont mind?

[Q] Help About Root & Revolutionary

help me, i have followed the instruction from htcdev.com to unlock my desire s bootloader with HBOOT 2.00.002.. after that i found my bootloader with text UNLOCKED but still it shows S-ON.
And then i continued to try root my desire s, i followed instructions that i found in this forum (thanks ) after finished, i tried to install some apps that need root access but i found that my desire s is not rooted (the apps said that).
The last things that i want to asked is, when i go to fastboot menu, i point to recovery mode and i found my desire with Revolutionary 4.0.1.4. I searched info about that things (revolutionary), i found many people said that if i have success install Revolutionary that means i have successfully rooted my device.
is there anybody could help and explained to me about those problems? i would very appreciate that

Revolutionary 4.0.1.4 is a custom recovery. Installing a custom recovery alone does NOT give you root access.
READ index thread in the forum and you'll have your answers

Thanks Bro ContactFront i will search in index thread
With the condition that i have now, is it possible if i want to return it back to default? I want to try update my desire to ICS using RUU Official uptade that i downloaded from htc website..
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short answer is yes, you can go back to stock

Don't use the official ics Ruu, it's buggy and unfinished.
My pessimism extends to the point of even suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
—Jean Rostand

Alrighty then! Thanks All
But, do i need to root my device if i want to flash a custom rom? or all that i have done is enough to flash a custom rom? as i explained before, this is what i have done to my HTC Desire S :
HTC Desire S ( Gingerbread)
UNLOCKED using HTCDev
S-ON
HBOOT 2.00.0002
Installed Revolutionary 4.0.1.4
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zidane_argun said:
Alrighty then! Thanks All
But, do i need to root my device if i want to flash a custom rom? or all that i have done is enough to flash a custom rom? as i explained before, this is what i have done to my HTC Desire S :
HTC Desire S ( Gingerbread)
UNLOCKED using HTCDev
S-ON
HBOOT 2.00.0002
Installed Revolutionary 4.0.1.4
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seems like you still have not read the index.... You need root to flash a custom ROM(duh) since I am in a pretty good mood today so....
1.root your device
2 . Download your preferred ROM
3.flash your ROM
4.IMPORTANT!!!find your boot. img extracting it from the rom you downloaded
5.go to fastboot
6. connect your phone to computer
7.open CMD
8.cd to our directory(ensure you have adb and fastboot first)
9.
Code:
fastboot erase boot
10
Code:
fastboot boot boot. img
11.reboot and enjoy
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1.root your device - not needed if he is going to flash a Custom. They are all rooted anyway. I think step 1 should be: flash a custom recovery
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10
Code:
fastboot boot boot. img
- this will boot the kernel only, but after a restart of the device it will be gone. The command to use is :
Code:
fastboot flash boot boot.img
11.reboot and enjoy - that is all right

hisname said:
seems like you still have not read the index.... You need root to flash a custom ROM(duh) since I am in a pretty good mood today so....
1.root your device
2 . Download your preferred ROM
3.flash your ROM
4.IMPORTANT!!!find your boot. img extracting it from the rom you downloaded
5.go to fastboot
6. connect your phone to computer
7.open CMD
8.cd to our directory(ensure you have adb and fastboot first)
9.
Code:
fastboot erase boot
10
Code:
fastboot boot boot. img
11.reboot and enjoy
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Thanks before
Now i have read the index, i found many tutorials to root my device there. i followed some.
but i have a problems when i want to root my device, i tried using SuperOneClick apps. I have done every single requirements of that tutorial.
The problem is i think my device is still not rooted. The first time i used SuperOneClick it shows finished & OK, then i reboot my device.
and then i tried to install some apps that needs rooted device, but those apps tell me that my device isn't rooted!
I tried to root my device using SuperOneClick again, but it always stuck in step #7 (Wait for Device).
any solutions for this problems?
Did i missed something to do?

amidabuddha said:
1.root your device - not needed if he is going to flash a Custom. They are all rooted anyway. I think step 1 should be: flash a custom recovery
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Code:
fastboot boot boot. img
- this will boot the kernel only, but after a restart of the device it will be gone. The command to use is :
Code:
fastboot flash boot boot.img
11.reboot and enjoy - that is all right
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he already has a custom recovery by revolutionary
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edit: look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525100

hisname said:
he already has a custom recovery by revolutionary
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Well this is pretty outdated.
The attached is the latest 4EXT Recovery, touch edition.
Extract the recovery.img from the zip and flash:
Code:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
Then from the bootloader menu reboot to recovery and select backup/restore -> Backup. After the backup is done go back to the main menu, select wipe/format -> Wipe all partitions (except SDcard). When done select Install zip from the main menu and flash the ROM from your sdcard. After that reboot to bootloader from the Power menu and flash the boot.img as described in my previous post

amidabuddha said:
Well this is pretty outdated
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true, but at least it is still usable till he gets 4ext or something later....
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@zidane_argun
see my previous post

hisname said:
true, but at least it is still usable till he gets 4ext or something later....
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@zidane_argun
see my previous post
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okay okay, roger that!
i will try that, thank you bro amidabuddha & hisname :good::good:
brb..

just realised that even my 4ext recovery is also outdated, thanks for the post :thumbup:
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lol was trying to reply to your pm. don't know if they went through as they don't show up in my "sent item".
anyway you've got plenty of tips from the folks. so happy flashing

ContactFront said:
lol was trying to reply to your pm. don't know if they went through as they don't show up in my "sent item".
anyway you've got plenty of tips from the folks. so happy flashing
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haha.. thanks to you too bro! now i'm trying to flash EXT4 first since they (the folks ) said that mine is pretty outdated.. LOL
after that, i want to search which rom is the best one for my Desire S.. do you have any idea which one is best ROM that i have to try?
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zidane_argun said:
haha.. thanks to you too bro! now i'm trying to flash EXT4 first since they (the folks ) said that mine is pretty outdated.. LOL
after that, i want to search which rom is the best one for my Desire S.. do you have any idea which one is best ROM that i have to try?
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there is really no "best" rom. it's all down to your personal preference.
say, I'm a big cm/aosp fan but if you are a sense fanboy then you may not like aosp based rom at all.
so if you see something interesting then just go ahead give it a try and decide for yourself.
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oh and speaking of 4ext recovery, i'd recommend installing either the free version updater or purchasing the full version from google play.
http://4ext.net/
it's absolutely worth it. one of the best recoverys you can have

[Q] Modded Rom vs CM10, JuopunutBear vs Revolutionary

Hi everyone,
I got tired of waiting for any info regarding "official" JB on the Sensation.
In the family we have a Nexus4 and I am quite impressed with stock JB, so I decided to go for it on my Sensation.
I have unlocked the bootloaded but I haven't gained S-OFF yet.
I was about to go with the JuopunutBear trick but I am still not sure about which rom to flash, so I started looking ...
I went to CyanogenMod website and I see that there are nightlies available of CM10 for the Sensation. Looking at the guide on how to install CM on the phone, there are references to the "Revolutionary" tool which doesn't require any wire, or anything like that.
At the same time I am following the thread "CyanogenMod 10.1 Jellybean 4.2.2 - KANG" and I see that the modded 4.1.2 (made to look like 4.2.2) is in the work but there are "still" major updates coming out quite regularly. Basically, it is a work in progress.
Note: this is by no means a complain: these modded roms are awesome and the work of the devs is amazing: I am just stating matter-of-factdly that the rom is not "ready" yet.
So I came with two questions:
1) Why would I pick the Revolutionary tool (as suggested on the CM pages) vs the JuopunutBear trick?
2) Which ROM to pick? I definitely would like JB. I don't care for Sense (at all). 4.2.2 would be preferable but I understand it does not exist. My Sensation is my "primary" phone, so I need "everything" to work: bluetooth, reasonable battery life, camera, panorama, video ...
Why would I pick a modded vs "stock" CM10? And anyone has a clue of how "stable" is the nightly CM10 for the Sensation?
Do you have any suggestion?
Thanks!

yankeeDDL said:
Hi everyone,
I got tired of waiting for any info regarding "official" JB on the Sensation.
In the family we have a Nexus4 and I am quite impressed with stock JB, so I decided to go for it on my Sensation.
I have unlocked the bootloaded but I haven't gained S-OFF yet.
I was about to go with the JuopunutBear trick but I am still not sure about which rom to flash, so I started looking ...
I went to CyanogenMod website and I see that there are nightlies available of CM10 for the Sensation. Looking at the guide on how to install CM on the phone, there are references to the "Revolutionary" tool which doesn't require any wire, or anything like that.
At the same time I am following the thread "CyanogenMod 10.1 Jellybean 4.2.2 - KANG" and I see that the modded 4.1.2 (made to look like 4.2.2) is in the work but there are "still" major updates coming out quite regularly. Basically, it is a work in progress.
Note: this is by no means a complain: these modded roms are awesome and the work of the devs is amazing: I am just stating matter-of-factdly that the rom is not "ready" yet.
So I came with two questions:
1) Why would I pick the Revolutionary tool (as suggested on the CM pages) vs the JuopunutBear trick?
2) Which ROM to pick? I definitely would like JB. I don't care for Sense (at all). 4.2.2 would be preferable but I understand it does not exist. My Sensation is my "primary" phone, so I need "everything" to work: bluetooth, reasonable battery life, camera, panorama, video ...
Why would I pick a modded vs "stock" CM10? And anyone has a clue of how "stable" is the nightly CM10 for the Sensation?
Do you have any suggestion?
Thanks!
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Number 1:
The S-OFF tool you use depends on your stock firmware/HBOOT.
If you want to use Revolutionary, which is by far easier. Then you must have Gingerbread (Android 2.3) / HBOOT 1.17.0006 to 1.18.0000.
If you have ICS (Android 4.0.3/4.0.4) and a HBOOT above 1.18.0000 then JuopunutBear is the path to follow.
Number 2:
4.2.2 does exist. (Branch: android-4.2.2_r1)
The CM10.1 (4.2.2) Kangs are brilliant and basically fully functional minus a few bugs here and there (LPA and video glitches seem to be the main bugs). The devs are fantastic at fixing and generally updating the device to make it run smoothly. The CM10 nightlies (4.1.X) work great if you want to use them and are fully functional as far as I can tell. (I've been using them for a few days now.)
Modded/kang is basically an enhanced version with more modules, optimization and bloat removal (CM10 has almost none, depending on how you see some apps). Most kangs come with a custom over-clocked kernel and several kernel fixes and governors which I personally prefer.
The choice between Cyanogen's nightlies and a kang is up to you. I generally download a kang ROM if I see something I like such as the kernels (and their governors) or their module support (NTFS/CIFS/USB-OTG). However kangs are generally a little more prone to bugs as the developer kangs features and then fixes them to work properly. If you see something in the ROM you want or need, then you should download it.
CM10 Nightlies are good if you want light-weight, out of the box stock android without sense. Battery life is good in general with CM10/CM10.1.
Since you're starting off, I suggest you try Albinoman887's CM10.1 (4.2.2) ROM. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2115520)
If you just want simple "It works!", try CM10 Nightlies, or CM9 Stable.

Revolutionary tool is used to root and gain s-off if you're coming from a gingerbread Rom. The hboot is easily hacked. The ics hboot is more difficult, hence the need for the wire trick.
Go with CM10. As far as I know, its pretty stable. Strictly speaking, all cm roms are modded, the nightly versions tend to be more experimental and almost a beta stage. CM10.1 is probably less stable.

Thank you both for your suggestions: I didn't know about the "limitations" of the Revolutionary tool: I am on ICS and I think you guys saved me a whole bunch of time
I'll give CM10 a try then: i I don't like it, I'll try something else.
One last question, if I might: what's with the GApps?
Certain roms include them, other have a separate installer ... Wouldn't I be able to install any app via the play store anyway?
Thanks again, I really aprpeciate teh help.

yankeeDDL said:
Thank you both for your suggestions: I didn't know about the "limitations" of the Revolutionary tool: I am on ICS and I think you guys saved me a whole bunch of time
I'll give CM10 a try then: i I don't like it, I'll try something else.
One last question, if I might: what's with the GApps?
Certain roms include them, other have a separate installer ... Wouldn't I be able to install any app via the play store anyway?
Thanks again, I really aprpeciate teh help.
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GApps includes the Google Play Store and other Google Apps. CyanogenMod was asked not to include Google Apps. I'm not quite sure why other developers do the same, but it's their choice and I'm sure they have a reason.

DennisBold said:
GApps includes the Google Play Store and other Google Apps. CyanogenMod was asked not to include Google Apps. I'm not quite sure why other developers do the same, but it's their choice and I'm sure they have a reason.
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This is correct. When you flash a cm Rom, you need to flash gapps too, which includes gmail, play store, and othmp Google related apps like g+ and Google search.

Ok, but I do see several versions of the Gapps (a search on XdaDev shows several hits) and most of them look to be phone-specific, which makes little sense to me.
Shouldn't there be a "generic" Gapps (ok, maybe a different one per ICS, one for JB ... )?

Usually compatible gapps will be posted in the CM thread along with the rom itself.

Hey guys, i have an Incredible S. My mate is running a Sensation XE. I have my phone completely modded (S-OFF, Blackrose Hboot etc). My mate wants to root his.
If i just Unlock the bootloader via HTC Dev. Flash a custom recovery using the fastboot etc files from the ones i used. Can i just flash the ROM and use the command fastboot flash boot boot.IMG? Thanks
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james1196 said:
Hey guys, i have an Incredible S. My mate is running a Sensation XE. I have my phone completely modded (S-OFF, Blackrose Hboot etc). My mate wants to root his.
If i just Unlock the bootloader via HTC Dev. Flash a custom recovery using the fastboot etc files from the ones i used. Can i just flash the ROM and use the command fastboot flash boot boot.IMG? Thanks
Sent from my Incredible S using xda premium
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There's no garauntee it will work. Fastboot can fail writing the boot image while S-ON. It's why 4EXT has SmartFlash.
Install 4EXT if you want to use HTCDev, and enable SmartFlash.

james1196 said:
Hey guys, i have an Incredible S. My mate is running a Sensation XE. I have my phone completely modded (S-OFF, Blackrose Hboot etc). My mate wants to root his.
If i just Unlock the bootloader via HTC Dev. Flash a custom recovery using the fastboot etc files from the ones i used. Can i just flash the ROM and use the command fastboot flash boot boot.IMG? Thanks
Sent from my Incredible S using xda premium
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DON'T for the love of god flash the hboot you use for your incredible S on his sensation! You'll hard brick his phone! use the sensation versions. If he's still on gingerbread, the the revolutionary tool to unlock the bootloader and gain s-off in one.

icanttinkofaname said:
DON'T for the love of god flash the hboot you use for your incredible S on his sensation! You'll hard brick his phone! use the sensation versions. If he's still on gingerbread, the the revolutionary tool to unlock the bootloader and gain s-off in one.
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Okay. I wanna flash the boot.IMG on mine before s-off I had to do it manually. For me I had to downgrade.
He's on latest ICS
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda premium

james1196 said:
Okay. I wanna flash the boot.IMG on mine before s-off I had to do it manually. For me I had to downgrade.
He's on latest ICS
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda premium
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Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Flash your boot image, your Incredible S boot image on his Sensation?
Kernels don't work like that.
Use JuopunutBear and the wire trick to S-OFF. It's less complicated, and doesn't require HTCDev unlock anymore (there's a guide here on xda somewhere).

icanttinkofaname said:
DON'T for the love of god flash the hboot you use for your incredible S on his sensation! You'll hard brick his phone! use the sensation versions. If he's still on gingerbread, the the revolutionary tool to unlock the bootloader and gain s-off in one.
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DennisBold said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Flash your boot image, your Incredible S boot image on his Sensation?
Kernels don't work like that.
Use JuopunutBear and the wire trick to S-OFF. It's less complicated, and doesn't require HTCDev unlock anymore (there's a guide here on xda somewhere).
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both of you are confused i think
(he is talking about boot.img not bootloader )
he meant that after flashing a ROM for sensation XE he will flash the boot.img of the same rom
which is perfectly fine and also correct way of doing as he has unlocked bootloader
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james1196 said:
Okay. I wanna flash the boot.IMG on mine before s-off I had to do it manually. For me I had to downgrade.
He's on latest ICS
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda premium
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you can flash the ROM for the sensation XE using custom recovery
then yes ..you need to flash boot.img of the same rom from fastboot
then its a perfect flash
now the same flashing boot.img process (in case of HTCDEV unlocked bootloader ) has been automated in 4EXT recovery ..via an option called "smartflash"
so
you can use that recovery ..go to tools section and enable smartflash
then flash the ROM (and dont reboot from the ROM flash itself if an option like that is given after flashing the ROM)
come back to recovery ..then reboot from recovery
this will take care of manually flashing the boot.img
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DennisBold said:
There's no garauntee it will work. Fastboot can fail writing the boot image while S-ON. It's why 4EXT has SmartFlash.
Install 4EXT if you want to use HTCDev, and enable SmartFlash.
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I think you kinda said it reverse way
if the person did HTCDEV then fastboot flash of boot.img of a particular rom before or after flashing the ROM can never fail (unless the rom has multiple kernel options and the person fastboot flashed one kernel's boot.img while he chose another kernel when flashing the ROM)
there are multiple instances when smartflash (which actually does the same fastboot flash of boot.img but its automated in recovery ) failed (happens always when moved from GB to ICS/JB , also due to user choosing to reboot from ROM flash (couple of ROMS give this reboot option after rom flash happened ) itself which should not be done ..they should manually come back to recovery then do the reboot )

ganeshp said:
both of you are confused i think
(he is talking about boot.img not bootloader )
he meant that after flashing a ROM for sensation XE he will flash the boot.img of the same rom
which is perfectly fine and also correct way of doing as he has unlocked bootloader
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you can flash the ROM for the sensation XE using custom recovery
then yes ..you need to flash boot.img of the same rom from fastboot
then its a perfect flash
now the same flashing boot.img process (in case of HTCDEV unlocked bootloader ) has been automated in 4EXT recovery ..via an option called "smartflash"
so
you can use that recovery ..go to tools section and enable smartflash
then flash the ROM (and dont reboot from the ROM flash itself if an option like that is given after flashing the ROM)
come back to recovery ..then reboot from recovery
this will take care of manually flashing the boot.img
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I think you kinda said it reverse way
if the person did HTCDEV then fastboot flash of boot.img of a particular rom before or after flashing the ROM can never fail (unless the rom has multiple kernel options and the person fastboot flashed one kernel's boot.img while he chose another kernel when flashing the ROM)
there are multiple instances when smartflash (which actually does the same fastboot flash of boot.img but its automated in recovery ) failed (happens always when moved from GB to ICS/JB , also due to user choosing to reboot from ROM flash (couple of ROMS give this reboot option after rom flash happened ) itself which should not be done ..they should manually come back to recovery then do the reboot )
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Thanks for your time. Yes that's what I meant. Smartflash doesn't work on my device so I wasn't sure.
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[Q] i can't install any firmware on my htc one x

Hi everyone.
i bought a second hand htc one x a month ago and it was working good on jb rom
but the bootloader was already unlocked with s-on
so i thought i could see how the custom rom looks like so i downloaded a lot of Roms and trying to install them but unfortunately none of them worked not just that it's crash and go back to recovery.img witch i also flash a lot until one of them works so after i tried a lot of custom roms like "Android_Revolution_HD-one_x_33" , "HTC_one_x_-_MaximusHD_21.0" , "OTA_ENDEAVOR_U_JB_50_S_HTC_E" , "ViperX_4.0.7".
and i also tried to install the official one which is RUU... doesn't works then in some posts says that i should re-locked the bootloader in order to install the official Rom and i did it
and it also doesn't work
and now i stuck i don't even have a recovery to boot on just the bootloader
i give up and took it the htc servise center and called me after tow days and says they can't fix it
please mates i don't wanna throw my phone
any help will be so appreciate
thanks

You are flashing roms for the hox on the hox xl.....you do not have a hox international, but the dual-core HTC ONE XL. So take it to the correct forum and download recoveries and roms from there !!!
Unlock the bootloader, flash the custom recovery (ment for the HTC one xl) flash the boot.img from the rom, make a full wipe and install the new HTC ONE XL rom

M.Younes said:
Hi everyone.
i bought a second hand htc one x a month ago and it was working good on jb rom
but the bootloader was already unlocked with s-on
so i thought i could see how the custom rom looks like so i downloaded a lot of Roms and trying to install them but unfortunately none of them worked not just that it's crash and go back to recovery.img witch i also flash a lot until one of them works so after i tried a lot of custom roms like "Android_Revolution_HD-one_x_33" , "HTC_one_x_-_MaximusHD_21.0" , "OTA_ENDEAVOR_U_JB_50_S_HTC_E" , "ViperX_4.0.7".
and i also tried to install the official one which is RUU... doesn't works then in some posts says that i should re-locked the bootloader in order to install the official Rom and i did it
and it also doesn't work
and now i stuck i don't even have a recovery to boot on just the bootloader
i give up and took it the htc servise center and called me after tow days and says they can't fix it
please mates i don't wanna throw my phone
any help will be so appreciate
thanks
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Did you follow the correct procedure to flash a rom ?
1.Flash kernel with boot.img which is available in zip file.
2.Boot into recovery and wipe cache , dalvik cache , system.
3.Flash rom and the gapps.
i guess u have missed the 1st step.
Now all u have to do is unlock the bootloader again , flash appropriate recovery and follow the first three steps again. It doesn't matter if its a custom rom. But be sure to download the appropriate one. Don worry ur fone is not all over. Wait for some expert's opinion. Stay cool.

Why do people repeat the already given answers ? the correct procedure is to download the device specific correct roms !!!

deepakramji said:
Did you follow the correct procedure to flash a rom ?
1.Flash kernel with boot.img which is available in zip file.
2.Boot into recovery and wipe cache , dalvik cache , system.
3.Flash rom and the gapps.
i guess u have missed the 1st step.
Now all u have to do is unlock the bootloader again , flash appropriate recovery and follow the first three steps again. It doesn't matter if its a custom rom. But be sure to download the appropriate one. Don worry ur fone is not all over. Wait for some expert's opinion. Stay cool.
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You're giving incorrect advice. You failed to notice that the user is flashing Endeavoru ROMs to an Evita phone.
Sent from my Evita
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M.Younes said:
Hi everyone.
i bought a second hand htc one x a month ago and it was working good on jb rom
but the bootloader was already unlocked with s-on
so i thought i could see how the custom rom looks like so i downloaded a lot of Roms and trying to install them but unfortunately none of them worked not just that it's crash and go back to recovery.img witch i also flash a lot until one of them works so after i tried a lot of custom roms like "Android_Revolution_HD-one_x_33" , "HTC_one_x_-_MaximusHD_21.0" , "OTA_ENDEAVOR_U_JB_50_S_HTC_E" , "ViperX_4.0.7".
and i also tried to install the official one which is RUU... doesn't works then in some posts says that i should re-locked the bootloader in order to install the official Rom and i did it
and it also doesn't work
and now i stuck i don't even have a recovery to boot on just the bootloader
i give up and took it the htc servise center and called me after tow days and says they can't fix it
please mates i don't wanna throw my phone
any help will be so appreciate
thanks
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All you need to do is unlock your bootloader again, flash an Evita recovery, and flash an Evita ROM. Your main problem is probably that you've been wandering into the wrong device forum. You have the HTC One XL (Evita), not the HTC One X (Endeavoru). Our device main page is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1538
Bookmark that page and make sure you stay within it. Don't ever download anything for your phone unless you find out linked within our forum.
Sent from my Evita

timmaaa said:
You're giving incorrect advice. You failed to notice that the user is flashing Endeavoru ROMs to an Evita phone.
Sent from my Evita
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All you need to do is unlock your bootloader again, flash an Evita recovery, and flash an Evita ROM. Your main problem is probably that you've been wandering into the wrong device forum. You have the HTC One XL (Evita), not the HTC One X (Endeavoru). Our device main page is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1538
Bookmark that page and make sure you stay within it. Don't ever download anything for your phone unless you find out linked within our forum.
Sent from my Evita
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Oops.. Thank you.. But i have learnt that flashing a wrong custom rom could brick the device.. how far is that true..??

deepakramji said:
Oops.. Thank you.. But i have learnt that flashing a wrong custom rom could brick the device.. how far is that true..??
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Flashing the wrong ROM can definitely brick a device. Some ROMs have checks in the updater script to make sure they're being installed on the right device, some ROMs don't have checks and just brick the device.
Sent from my Evita

thanks guys
first of all thank you guys for your help and sorry for my late reply but in order of 50 kb download what can i do
anyway i tried what you guys told me but unfortunately it didn't work
i re-unlock the device and i downloaded "RegeXL-evita-v2.1" and "UrDroid_Sense_5_JB_4.2.2_Odexed_5" it didn't work so i tried to flash a kernel
"JB_KERNEL_5.08.111.2_Init.d_Support_EVITA_Installer" same problem i don't know why what's wrong with it ?!!
when i was trying to install the ROMs it's says "Skipping MD5 check : no MD5 file found"
and there is another thing but somehow i don't feel it's has nothing to do with my issue: When i start the device under HTC logo with red font "This build is for development purpose......etc." i'm sure you know it guys
any other help i'll be appreciate it
thanks for you all .

M.Younes said:
first of all thank you guys for your help and sorry for my late reply but in order of 50 kb download what can i do
anyway i tried what you guys told me but unfortunately it didn't work
i re-unlock the device and i downloaded "RegeXL-evita-v2.1" and "UrDroid_Sense_5_JB_4.2.2_Odexed_5" it didn't work so i tried to flash a kernel
"JB_KERNEL_5.08.111.2_Init.d_Support_EVITA_Installer" same problem i don't know why what's wrong with it ?!!
when i was trying to install the ROMs it's says "Skipping MD5 check : no MD5 file found"
and there is another thing but somehow i don't feel it's has nothing to do with my issue: When i start the device under HTC logo with red font "This build is for development purpose......etc." i'm sure you know it guys
any other help i'll be appreciate it
thanks for you all .
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Have you flashed the Kernel (boot.img) from ROM ZIP file in bootloader using following command after flashing the ROM?.
fastboot flash boot boot.img

M.Younes said:
first of all thank you guys for your help and sorry for my late reply but in order of 50 kb download what can i do
anyway i tried what you guys told me but unfortunately it didn't work
i re-unlock the device and i downloaded "RegeXL-evita-v2.1" and "UrDroid_Sense_5_JB_4.2.2_Odexed_5" it didn't work so i tried to flash a kernel
"JB_KERNEL_5.08.111.2_Init.d_Support_EVITA_Installer" same problem i don't know why what's wrong with it ?!!
when i was trying to install the ROMs it's says "Skipping MD5 check : no MD5 file found"
and there is another thing but somehow i don't feel it's has nothing to do with my issue: When i start the device under HTC logo with red font "This build is for development purpose......etc." i'm sure you know it guys
any other help i'll be appreciate it
thanks for you all .
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When you flashed RageXL did you remember to flag the boot.img via fastboot after flashing the ROM? You're s-on so you need to do that whenever you flash a ROM. Refer to my How-To Guide For Beginners thread in my signature for details.
Also, which version of TWRP 2.6.3.0 are you using? Official or unofficial?
Sent from my Evita

problem solved
Guys thank you for all you've done
the device is now working properly and everything is ok
i really send my regards to xda members
and thank you ms.sathish804 to be honest that was my mistake i was doing wrong command witch is "fastboot flash recovery boot.img"
actually i felt like an idiot for me doing that
but it works after i flashed a Kernel named "JB_KERNEL_5.08.111.2_Init.d_Support_EVITA_Installer"
ms.timmaaa i don't know if TWRP is Official or unofficial but i flashed this one openrecovery-twrp-2.6.3.0-evita
thank you guys again

Good news. You've got the official recovery installed, which is fine for the ROM you flashed (obviously). If you device you want to flash a KitKat ROM you'll need to flash the unofficial version. I'd still recommend you check out the threads in my signature, they're a staple for anyone starting out with modifying phones.
Sent from my Evita