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[Q] about hboot and ICS

Dear friends, I am about to install ICS and have read a loft of materials about it. But I have some questions that I couldn't find. Could you please guide me on that.
1. It is required to install a new firmware v. 3.24 in order to run the ROM. Then it is recommended to install new radio. Does firmware include new radio and if not what does it include?
2. As far as I understood new firmware updates hboot making it version 1.24, and it is written in the forums that only 1.17 hboot is unlocked. Could you please tell what difference does it make? Why can't I use fastboot in new hboot and why do I need it for?
3. If I make a full backup of my system does it revert everything back, or hboot and new radio is not the part of a backup?
4. I also have read that if radio and IPL do not match it could brick the device. How do I know what IPL I have and how to match recommended radio with IPL?
5. Once more could you please tell what components does new firmware include and why should I update the firmware in order to run ARDH 6.1.0?
Thank you for your replies, as I'm not doing anything until I clearly understand what I am doing.
Mikhail.

Newest ics. Puts boot up to 1.27 unlocked which means it gives you advance fast boot commands which allows you fasbiot flash radio and splash screens etc. Etc. Same goes for 1.17
Also yes newest firmware does put new radio in

Can't answer all but remember, if you update to hboot 1.27, say goodbye to GB roms as they are not supported on hboot 1.27... You have to stick with ICS roms in future... You can't revert back but that i am not sure about...

You can go can go back long as your super cid

ilostchild said:
You can go can go back long as your super cid
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Could you please tell how can I go back and if new firmware updates radio, how can I revert it to the original state?

ilostchild said:
Newest ics. Puts boot up to 1.27 unlocked which means it gives you advance fast boot commands which allows you fasbiot flash radio and splash screens etc. Etc. Same goes for 1.17
Also yes newest firmware does put new radio in
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It that right if I say that new firmware updates new hboot and radio? Or there is something else that the new firmware includes? I also a bit confused what all mean by "firmware" because in wiki it means the ROM + firmware and kernel.

SonicMZ said:
It that right if I say that new firmware updates new hboot and radio? Or there is something else that the new firmware includes? I also a bit confused what all mean by "firmware" because in wiki it means the ROM + firmware and kernel.
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Yes it does look at your current hboot and radio once you update to firmware 3.24 you will have hboot 1.27 and radio 11.x. x. X when I mean firmware I mean the pdimg that is needed to flash new ics roms
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SonicMZ said:
Could you please tell how can I go back and if new firmware updates radio, how can I revert it to the original state?
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As of now is older radio are not compatible with new hboot

Desire S Orange UK downgrading woes

Hi all,
New to the developer scene in terms of android phones so this current situation is causing a head scratch.
I think the problem lies because i've i tried flashing the x.x.401.x version when my phones branded software is x.x.61.x and i can't seem to find a RUU for it (20+ forum pages later). I've unlocked the HBOOT using HTCDev and i've managed to get clockworkmod on it under the recovery but the phone is still S-On and while I keep installing SU-3.0 through clockworkmod I still don't think I have root access according to ROM manager.
Any custom ROM I try to install (CyanogenMod, MIUI english fan version, MIUI official version) successfully installs on clockworkmod but just hangs on the HTC logo upon reboot and has been left for hours to make sure. I'm guessing this is down to actually having root or not?
As i've said I can't find the downgraded software version but the Europe RUU has the same radio as my phone, I am guessing that the branded software version is more important than matching radio's?
If anyone can help i'll be greatly appreciated because i'm starting to tear my hair out
Seany
EDIT: there is a x.x.61.x RUU for orange UK online somewhere but the radio is not the same (Radio_20.28b.30.0805U _38.03.02.11_M_release, as opposed to mine: 20.4801.30.0822U_3822.10.08.04_M) i'm guessing it would be a bad idea to flash until I get confirmation as I have no idea what would happen.
EDIT EDIT: That RUU is for an older version of gingerbread (V2.3.3 compared to V2.3.5 on mine) and HTC Sense V2.1 of which mine is V3.0

Then you should keep reading. Not sure what you getting at with the RUU stuff.
As for the custom ROM,.......
You need to flash the boot.img of the ROM you are trying to flash. Look into it.
fastboot flash boot boot.img

From what I've researched the RUU was needed in order to downgrade the bootloader from 2.00.0002 to 0.98.0000 in order to use the Revolutionary io in order to S-Off.
As for the custom ROM I've flashed the boot and now I've got bootloop for the cyanogenmod ROM, going to try the MIUI and see what happens. It's like it isn't installing the files but I can flash the boot
EDIT: MIUI also in bootloop, I'm thinking it has something to do with the flashing of the ROM using clockworkmod because it seems like it has no progression from the boot file.

Thankyou so much foX2delta, it was a boot.img issue and to do with flashing the boot, problem resolved

[Q] Question about Radio 20.76.30.0835U_3831.19.00.110

I download the "[RADIO] [FIRMWARE] ICS firmware and radio from WWE RUU" and flash in bootloader, there show me 4 thing:
1. userdata
2. tp
3. Radio_v2
4. Radio_cust
I know the Radio should be the 3 Radio_v2, what is the other things.
I remember I flash the other radio version before, it just show me the Radio_v2, why this new one have 4 items, the others is the firmware files?
Should I flash all the 4 items? What do the others except Radio_v2 use for?
If I only want to update my Radio, How to do?
Thans!

only flash the radio.img file... I've tried to flash all of them via hboot before and it messed up my mobile data connection...
Note: don't flash any radio if you're not experiencing any errors or weird things on your current radio when flashing any custom roms...

wh0d0es said:
only flash the radio.img file... I've tried to flash all of them via hboot before and it messed up my mobile data connection...
Note: don't flash any radio if you're not experiencing any errors or weird things on your current radio when flashing any custom roms...
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How can I only flash radio.img file? There all come togather when I go into the bootloader.
Thanks

vkoo said:
How can I only flash radio.img file? There all come togather when I go into the bootloader.
Thanks
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you may delete the other files except the .txt file and radio.img.

What was your data connection problem?
I lost 3G connectivity after upgrading to ICS and can't get it back working (checked apn, changed radio but nothing worked...)
Any advice?
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda app-developers app

rxboucher said:
What was your data connection problem?
I lost 3G connectivity after upgrading to ICS and can't get it back working (checked apn, changed radio but nothing worked...)
Any advice?
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda app-developers app
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Actually I dont have problem with the old radio 20.28I.30.085AU_3805.06.02.03_M. Only becasue I would like to flash the ICE DS, that recommand radio 20.72..., but I dont find the radio 20.72... img file, so I update the 20.76...
Now I only update the radio_v2.img, every things look like ok.
Btw, maybe use the old radio 20.28i also ok. I cant find any difference.
Did you only flash the radio_v2.img? if not, maybe that is the problem.

rxboucher said:
What was your data connection problem?
I lost 3G connectivity after upgrading to ICS and can't get it back working (checked apn, changed radio but nothing worked...)
Any advice?
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda app-developers app
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When i flash the radio including the firmware, my mobile data (downloading) messed up. Its like stopping every time i download ang wont continue.
I've solved it by flashing another radio and firmware
like overwriting it all.
vkoo said:
Actually I dont have problem with the old radio 20.28I.30.085AU_3805.06.02.03_M. Only becasue I would like to flash the ICE DS, that recommand radio 20.72..., but I dont find the radio 20.72... img file, so I update the 20.76...
Now I only update the radio_v2.img, every things look like ok.
Btw, maybe use the old radio 20.28i also ok. I cant find any difference.
Did you only flash the radio_v2.img? if not, maybe that is the problem.
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Good job flashing only the radio. img file mate.... :thumbup:
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda app-developers app

wh0d0es said:
When i flash the radio including the firmware, my mobile data (downloading) messed up. Its like stopping every time i download ang wont continue.
I've solved it by flashing another radio and firmware
like overwriting it all.
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Could you tell me where you download the old radio and firmware? What is the version?
Thanks!

vkoo said:
Could you tell me where you download the old radio and firmware? What is the version?
Thanks!
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I did not download and flash my old radio but I've flashed the firmware and radio 3831.17.00.16 over my DS and it solved my mobile data problem....
Edit: Before flashing, be sure to make a nandroid backup and this firmware and radio will erase your installed ROM and you will be stucked in HTC logo.... I know that it is wrong but I have to pull out my battery, wait after 5 - 7 mins and reboot to recovery and install my current rom... maybe you should use adb commands instead of pulling out your battery to reboot your DS to recovery after flashing it....

wh0d0es said:
I did not download and flash my old radio but I've flashed the firmware and radio 3831.17.00.16 over my DS and it solved my mobile data problem....
Edit: Before flashing, be sure to make a nandroid backup and this firmware and radio will erase your installed ROM and you will be stucked in HTC logo.... I know that it is wrong but I have to pull out my battery, wait after 5 - 7 mins and reboot to recovery and install my current rom... maybe you should use adb commands instead of pulling out your battery to reboot your DS to recovery after flashing it....
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Could you tell me how to backup my current firmware and radio?
Thanks.

vkoo said:
Could you tell me how to backup my current firmware and radio?
Thanks.
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You can't backup your radio. What you can do is look in system setting and look for the smalband version.
Most of the radio's you can find in this forum
Reboot your phone in the recovery mode and do a nandroid backup
And the easiest way to flash a radio is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1860253
download the file and flash the radio.
Good luck!

Hello, I have this radio 20.76.30.0835U_3831.19.00.110
I want to install stock rom, which one should I get from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002506
Sorry for dumb questions, i've tried to install stock rom, and then my desireS show only black screen.

jurasarts said:
Hello, I have this radio 20.76.30.0835U_3831.19.00.110
I want to install stock rom, which one should I get from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002506
Sorry for dumb questions, i've tried to install stock rom, and then my desireS show only black screen.
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That has nothing to do with the radio version. Which stock rom did you try flashing? Hboot version etc.?

teadrinker said:
That has nothing to do with the radio version. Which stock rom did you try flashing? Hboot version etc.?
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It was long time ago, I don't remember which one but after install I got black screen, and all night I've tried to install back recovery and return back to the custom rom.
My current info:
HTC Desire S, S-OFF (revolutionary)
HBOOT - 6.98.1002
RADIO - 3831.19.00.110
ROM - Virtuous Unity
what actions, should I take, to get stock rom on my phone. Thank you!

jurasarts said:
It was long time ago, I don't remember which one but after install I got black screen, and all night I've tried to install back recovery and return back to the custom rom.
My current info:
HTC Desire S, S-OFF (revolutionary)
HBOOT - 6.98.1002
RADIO - 3831.19.00.110
ROM - Virtuous Unity
what actions, should I take, to get stock rom on my phone. Thank you!
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If it was a 2.xx ruu or the ics ruu, then your Hboot version was the problem. Hboot 6.98 doesn't have the separate /system/lib partition that the more recent stock Roms use, so you could try updating your Hboot (to 7.00.1002) and flashing the ruu again.

teadrinker said:
If it was a 2.xx ruu or the ics ruu, then your Hboot version was the problem. Hboot 6.98 doesn't have the separate /system/lib partition that the more recent stock Roms use, so you could try updating your Hboot (to 7.00.1002) and flashing the ruu again.
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If I'll update my Hboot, my old custom rom will continue to work? Thank you for your time. I don't know much about this stuff

jurasarts said:
If I'll update my Hboot, my old custom rom will continue to work? Thank you for your time. I don't know much about this stuff
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Updated my HBOOT to the latest version, and then installed RUU once more. All work fine now. Thank you for your answers

The revolutionary 6.98... is write
protected. It is usually recommended to change for an Eng hboot before running RUU.
Envoyé depuis mon HTC Desire S avec Tapatalk

wh0d0es said:
I did not download and flash my old radio but I've flashed the firmware and radio 3831.17.00.16 over my DS and it solved my mobile data problem....
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I couldn't find firmware in this thread, that you linked. Where did you get it? Or did you flash this PAC-Man ROM and it flashed radio and firmware also? Were they, sort of, "build-in"?
I might have to uninstall firmware from "[RADIO] [FIRMWARE] ICS firmware and radio from WWE RUU" thread, too...

[Q] How do I flash a new radio?

I see the thread that showed the new 3.18 radio for AT&T is out. I have SCID, root, S-OFF, and viper XL installed - I've gotten that much, however, how do I upgrade the radio?
I see in the radio thread that there are 2 downloads, one that has RLL files and one that does not - which do I need? Thanks for the help!

use the 3.18 Radio from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1694012
in youre case, you can Flash the zip in TWRP as you do with a ROM.
the RIL files maybe can make Problems.

Ghostrider said:
use the 3.18 Radio from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1694012
in youre case, you can Flash the zip in TWRP as you do with a ROM.
the RIL files maybe can make Problems.
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So download the zip to a location on the phone's memory, reboot into TWRP, select the file, and flash it?

yes, thats all it Needs
and only you are s-off.

[Q] Stock HBoot to replace JB HBoot

Hello all,
So finally, I have managed to S-OFF my phone using JuonoputBear (I never get this spelling right!). Downloaded the latest version for Ubuntu and can't believe I only did the wire trick once and it was done.
But anynow, to my surprise, the JB tool went on installing the JB hboot itself. Initially I thought it would ask me to install it or not and I would refuse it but... it didn't even give me the option. So now I am stuck with the JB hboot which I dont want.
So the questions is, is there any way I can revert back to the stock hboot?
Thanks guys, all your help made it possible for me to S-OFF my phone.
Regards

just to know that with patched hboot you are fully unlocked and you can use all fastboot commands
i don't find a reason to return to official hboot

rzr86 said:
just to know that with patched hboot you are fully unlocked and you can use all fastboot commands
i don't find a reason to return to official hboot
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Thanks for the reply. The reason I wanted to go back to stock hboot was that its highly unlikely that I would be using those extra fastboot commands. Besides, I dont like the Juoponutbear logo on top of the hboot.
Also, now that I am S-OFF, I am kind of gone sensitive to installing any ROM. I intend to install Android Revolution HD ROM but I dont want to flash anything wrong on my device like Radio etc. I only want to flash whats need to run that new custom ROM. I guess that doesn't include the kernel as I already have ICS stock ROM.
Can anyone point me to the right direction? Where I can find the steps to install custom ROM without any risk of flashing something wrong?
Thanks.

Jeanz Sensation said:
Thanks for the reply. The reason I wanted to go back to stock hboot was that its highly unlikely that I would be using those extra fastboot commands. Besides, I dont like the Juoponutbear logo on top of the hboot.
Also, now that I am S-OFF, I am kind of gone sensitive to installing any ROM. I intend to install Android Revolution HD ROM but I dont want to flash anything wrong on my device like Radio etc. I only want to flash whats need to run that new custom ROM. I guess that doesn't include the kernel as I already have ICS stock ROM.
Can anyone point me to the right direction? Where I can find the steps to install custom ROM without any risk of flashing something wrong?
Thanks.
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Hi,
There is no way you can "Accidently" install a radio.
You are not in bootloader for any length of time normally,so ,it should not matter what is written at the top.
That is just the way Juoponutbear operates and leaves it's mark.
It is the only way to s-off for you,so ,you are stuck with it.
Unless you s-on again.
As for flashing ROMS,put it on the root of your sd card,choose zip,install zip.
That's it.
EDIT:
Someone correct me if I am wrong.
If you flash Kohr-Ah's Universal 3.33 firmware,does it say Universal at the top?

malybru said:
As for flashing ROMS,put it on the root of your sd card,choose zip,install zip.
That's it.
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Is that all? I thought that once you have flashed the zip package, you have to extract the "boot.img" from that zip package of the ROM and flash it separately?

Jeanz Sensation said:
Is that all? I thought that once you have flashed the zip package, you have to extract the "boot.img" from that zip package of the ROM and flash it separately?
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Hi,
That is the beauty of s-off.
No separate flashing.

malybru said:
Hi,
That is the beauty of s-off.
No separate flashing.
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Ahh I get it now. Thanks mate.

malybru said:
Hi,
There is no way you can "Accidently" install a radio.
You are not in bootloader for any length of time normally,so ,it should not matter what is written at the top.
That is just the way Juoponutbear operates and leaves it's mark.
It is the only way to s-off for you,so ,you are stuck with it.
Unless you s-on again.
As for flashing ROMS,put it on the root of your sd card,choose zip,install zip.
That's it.
EDIT:
Someone correct me if I am wrong.
If you flash Kohr-Ah's Universal 3.33 firmware,does it say Universal at the top?
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if i remember well last time kohr-ah said that it it says firmware 3.33(i am not sure)

malybru said:
Hi,
That is the beauty of s-off.
No separate flashing.
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Sorry I had to come back on this one. I was checking the Android Rev. HD thread and in the download section it said it is necessary to flash new firmware package before flashing this ROM/ And the firmware package also contains radio flashing.
Since I am on Stock ICS at the moment and my firmware is 3.32. Do I still need to flash my firmware?

Jeanz Sensation said:
Sorry I had to come back on this one. I was checking the Android Rev. HD thread and in the download section it said it is necessary to flash new firmware package before flashing this ROM/ And the firmware package also contains radio flashing.
Since I am on Stock ICS at the moment and my firmware is 3.32. Do I still need to flash my firmware?
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it is not necessary
the rom will boot with that firmware too:good: