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Dual Core Question

I am just wondering. I am a huge fan of android and am using Desire HD now. But I was wondering if a dual core tablet can be installed with Windows 7? I only need the W7 just to sync with my android phone. Maybe I can install RUU or any other ROMS in the future using my tablet.

Not quite sure what your asking here... Dual Core x86 processor tablets would probably run windows 7, Dual Core Arm Processor can not as windows is x86 processor specification and Android is Arm. All android devices are compatible to the best of my knowledge with windows 7 so if your worried about getting an android tablet and not having support for it then don't worry. Other than that i hope i answered your question.

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Windows 7 can only be installed on x86 systems. Older versions of Windows NT could be installed on other CPUs like Alpha and Power PC and Windows server has a version that can run on Itanium/IA-64 but they are dropping it.
Microsoft has claimed Windows 8 will run on ARM systems so when it comes out you may be able to use it but most programs won't run it.

The Old One said:
Windows 7 can only be installed on x86 systems. Older versions of Windows NT could be installed on other CPUs like Alpha and Power PC and Windows server has a version that can run on Itanium/IA-64 but they are dropping it.
Microsoft has claimed Windows 8 will run on ARM systems so when it comes out you may be able to use it but most programs won't run it.
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Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.

Yes, Atom x86 CPU and Android 1.6 (last version to support x86).
Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.
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GaryHypnosis said:
Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.
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Viewsonic's Viewpad 10 uses the intel atom cpu to my knowledge. I don't know the details behind it but have read that Android 1.6 is the last version of Android that can run on x86 architecture. Maybe a dev. will be able to explain that part.
It would have made lots of sense for Google to make 2.x and up compatible with x86/x64 but I suppose there may be politics involved (imho, it can't be much else, since Linux runs on everything and Android is based almost entirely on Linux)....or maybe it would be more work or too much code needed. Since 2.2 is meant primarily for phones first, maybe they didn't see a need to bloat it up.
I wouldn't mind if Android needed a 650MB-1GB install as long as it works well.
Here's a snippet, you will be able to find more if you google it....though I can't find a reason as to why myself.

Hi,
I don't know if VS did their own work or may have used stuff from the Android X86 project:
http://www.android-x86.org/
or something similar (I think that there are other efforts like this)...
As you can see, the project is currently on 1.6, but:
http://www.android-x86.org/#What_we_are_working_on_now
says their working on Froyo:
What we are working on now
Port Froyo to x86 (froyo-x86 branch)
OpenGL hardware accelerator to froyo-x86 (olv, cwhuang)
New x86 toolchain (cwhuang)
Ethernet update (Yi)
Automount for new vold (cwhuang)
New target sparta (Doug)
New target viewpad10 (Al Sutton)
New target viliv s5 (okwon)
Mplayer porting (okwon
BTW, if you have a Windows PC, you can actually run that Android (1.6) on it. I had done that earlier, before getting my Gtab.
Jim

As one of the members pointed out, and if you check out the hands ons that have been done recently, ViewPad10 does indeed use Androidx86 project. GREAT News is, they just released Froyo-x86 (http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2) and there is a specific ISO for the ViewPad10. I actually just ordered 5 from one of my vendors (1 to keep and 4 to sell) so I am definitely going to pop that Froyo-x86 in mine and see how it whirls! I'm very excited by the prospects of a dual boot Froyo7 tablet!

Did you load the 2.2 iso onto one, and if so how well did it work? I just want to use a copy of android so I can use the apps I already bought for my phone.

Some of the latest so called 'dual-boot' tablets are actually going to be using an android virtual machine which will run within windows.
If anyone's comfortable compiling their own kernel and drivers then they stand a chance of 'rolling their own' VM otherwise unless someone with the knowhow takes up the banner for a particular device, I would consider this option out of reach.

Which tablet devices have you seen running an Android VM? I ran the 2.2 live USB on my VPad10 but it was missing wifi. Everything else seems to run great. Its fast and functional! Except the wifi. :-(
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the v10 specific iso didn't support wifi?!?!?!?

VPad and Froyo
I've picked up a VPad10 and have tried upgrading Android to 2.2 and have found that the interface buttons seemed out of place . I had a hard time moving backwards through the various pages - I had to tap the upper right corner on the bar and tap a second time in order to move back to the previous screen.
I found the interface too different from the standard to make it useful. I've since reverted back to 1.6
I had difficulty loading the Froyo (.img.gz) version. I've tried opening the gz on my Linux machine (vcersus my Windows box) and still get the same problem. Can the Froyo beta be loaded as iso image like the others, it would make my life easier?

I placed an order for the 10" gtablet the other day. This thread saved me from some dissapointment by trying to save a couple bucks.
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Windows 8 ARM on current Transformer?

I've been thinking of buying the Eee Pad Transformer for the past month or so. I absolutely love the device, but still can't decide whether it's worth it and whether I would really use it that often.
Anyway, a thought has come to my mind - will it be possible to install Windows 8 (ARM version) on this device? I think there's really no reason why it shouldn't be possible, is there?
Cheers!

Maybe, or maybe not. Tegra cpu is one of several arm-based socs used by msft in developing windows 8 arm, so since our tf101 has tegra 2 soc, there is a chance that win8 arm may run in it.
However, as of late, msft has been supporting oems in implementing unified extensible firmware interface (uefi) in lieu of the simple bios in x86 machines. It is possible that uefi may be used in arm-based windows 8 when it is published. I think an uefi implementation will require hardware/firmware that the current tf101 may not have, so no dice for windows 8.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface

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How would YOU run windows on an android tablet?

How would YOU run windows on an android tablet? im getting the asus transformer prime and im wondering how you would get windows on an android tablet in the same way that viewsonic would ! come on devs im sure someone has an idea! post it here and lets figure it out.!
Link ( there might be a newer one out)
http://ap.viewsonic.com/za/products/viewpad/viewpad10/

don't see it happening
ianwardell said:
How would YOU run windows on an android tablet? im getting the asus transformer prime and im wondering how you would get windows on an android tablet in the same way that viewsonic would ! come on devs im sure someone has an idea! post it here and lets figure it out.!
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I wish you luck with this one. I just can't see it happening.
Maybe Ubuntu ported and Wine to run some Windows apps. That I could see as remotely possible.
Neil

Look up the new view sonic tablet. Somehow they do it o.o and iv already got a basic idea of how to get linux onto the tablet but if I could run windows that would just be cool.
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LG are supposed to be releasing a new handset soon with VMWare already on board. You might be able to use a virtual Win 7 mobile, or if/when Win 8 gets ARM support, use Win 8?

The Viewsonic does it by shipping with an Intel processor. Most Android devices have ARM processors, which makes it much more complicated. You would need an emulator like VMWare.

But its doable? Because I think the asus can handle it
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Not really, the problem is that windows in its actual version doesn't run on the ARM-architecture used in all Android-Tablets. If Windows 8 comes with an ARM-Version it could be possible to get it on Android-Tablets. Another Problem is, that Windows is not open-source, which makes it really hard to modify it.
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It would take an entirely new kernel to get it to run on an ARM processor. Everything has to change and I doubt anybody would be willing to figure it out and write an entire kernel.

The Transformer Prime has a Tegra 3 CPU, meaning ARM architecture. You would need an ARM version of Windows to run on it (meaning Win8). Also, correct me if I am wrong, Windows applications need to be compiled to run on ARM as well. Meaning, you can just download anything and expect it to install.
EDIT: The Viewsonic tablet in question has an Intel Atom processor (which is x86), an Atom N455 to be exact. That's why Windows has no problem running on it.

Oh.....but win8 would work? ....I know the ipad has a win emulator
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Windows 8 Consumer Preview

Keen to see if Windows 8 will work on the TF101, but lacking the technical ability to attempt to install it, I'm wondering if anyone here has attempted to run the Windows 8 Consumer Preview on their transformer?
If so, how did you do it and did it perform?

Consumer preview is 32 and 64 bit not arm so it will not run
Microsoft also said that the bootloader on arm devices will be locked so you will only be able to get windows 8 arm on devices that come with it

I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.

horndroid said:
I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.
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thats right microsoft demo'd windows 8 on arm using a tegra 2 tablet with one gig of ram
they showed it when they first showed windows

Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!

farr3ll said:
Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!
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Not really. Windows 8 for ARM will not be available to buy separately. It will only come pre-installed on devices.
Perhaps someone skilled will be able to get it to work in some highly unofficial way but they'd have to find a way around the secure bootloader requirements and also figure out how to get hardware drivers for the device in that Windows 8. Unlike Android, Windows 8 isn't open source so 'hackers' will have a harder time getting it on different devices.
Tablets are not like PC's with fairly long upgrade paths available. You buy it as it is and hopefully the manufacturer will keep supporting it for a while with upgrades.
Asus/Microsoft will prefer you to buy a new tablet with Windows 8 pre-installed when it becomes available.

I am not even sure I want to run Windows 8 on a tegra 2 tablet.
Maybe it's just me but tegra 2 already feels pretty slow.

Or you have this for have a windows 8 theme http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1555220

[Q] Windows on Asus TF101

hello guys. today I think that maybe we can install Windows on Transformer but the space (16gb) maybe may stop us. I don't know if this guide works (developers, give me your opinion).
So, we install Ubuntu on TF101, then we install Windows in a second partition through this guide (it is translated in english, so there are translation error):
http://translate.google.it/translat....ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=482754&act=url
then through ubuntu boot we can use windows.
what do you think?? through windows 7 we can install windows 8
I do not take any responsibility if someone wants to try
sorry for my english if there are errors

No. This won't work. Windows doesn't run on ARM, and Windows 8 will never run on the TF101.

whitekidney said:
No. This won't work. Windows doesn't run on ARM, and Windows 8 will never run on the TF101.
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But with grub (ubuntu boot) we can make dual bott Ubuntu-Windows on PC, so it will be on TF101 if you saw the link But if it don't work... :/

What he means, and this is unfortunate, that the physical processor of the TF101 doesn't support any form of windows. When you buy a processor there's generally 3 types you can get, (x86, which is 32-bit os and general last 10-11 years) (x64, which is 64-bit os and generally new) and (ARM, which is a low-power Mobile processor.) The tf101 has an ARM, and windows os's were built for desktops and laptops running x86 and x64 processors, which are incompatible.
Hope I've shed a little light on why this just won't work.
whitekidney, if MSOFT decides to release a generic ARM version of win8, it will run on the TF, I swear it :!!!! lol

prendomiao said:
But with grub (ubuntu boot) we can make dual bott Ubuntu-Windows on PC, so it will be on TF101 if you saw the link But if it don't work... :/
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No.
As I said. Windows 7 and below doesn't run on ARM processors.
It will _never_ work because of the hardware that is in the TF101.
Windows 8 ARM won't work either because it requires safe boot, and there's a 99% chance that it won't support our hardware.

whitekidney said:
No.
As I said. Windows 7 and below doesn't run on ARM processors.
It will _never_ work because of the hardware that is in the TF101.
Windows 8 ARM won't work either because it requires safe boot, and there's a 99% chance that it won't support our hardware.
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With Windows 8 RT??? If with it works, I can wait and try with it.
but, before you said this, did you try it??if you don't try, you don't know anything

Win 8 RT for ARM hasn't been released. Go ahead and brick your transformer trying to install it if you like :]
Seriously, it won't work until ARM has been implemented, give it time.

Windows 8 will be running on an Asus tablet at some point in the near future. However, I doubt it will ever run on our current Transformer.

Windows 8 RT (the ARM release of Windows 8) will only support systems that use (U)EFI. The TF101 doesn't. There is no way to get it. Therefore, even though the TF101 is an ARM device, and a version of Windows will support ARM, it will still not work as this device does not meet the minimum requirements. No amount of tweaking will get around that - it is an engineered limitation at a low level of the OS.

if you want windows 8 on an asus transformer wait for the asus "transformer Book"

From what I read in the link I'm providing below, Windows 8 RT will only be available pre-installed on PCs or tablets. To get it on our current TF101 or TF201 doesn't sound to be possible without someone breaking some rules somewhere.
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/.../04/16/announcing-the-windows-8-editions.aspx

whitekidney said:
No. This won't work. Windows doesn't run on ARM, and Windows 8 will never run on the TF101.
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Wait, what are you talking about? Windows 8 will indeed work on ARM. The version is called Windows 8 RT

demoneyes905 said:
Wait, what are you talking about? Windows 8 will indeed work on ARM. The version is called Windows 8 RT
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he was talking about installing xp or a previous version in the comment and yes windows will run on arm but not on the transformer as windows RT is installed by the OEM and can not be changed or installed on any other platform

Windows RT has requirements the TF101 doesn't meet. Even if someone found a way to NVFlash it to the TF101, WindowsRT needs a minimum GPU that the Nvidia chip in the TF doesn't provide.
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laslow said:
Windows 8 RT (the ARM release of Windows 8) will only support systems that use (U)EFI. The TF101 doesn't. There is no way to get it. Therefore, even though the TF101 is an ARM device, and a version of Windows will support ARM, it will still not work as this device does not meet the minimum requirements. No amount of tweaking will get around that - it is an engineered limitation at a low level of the OS.
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Much like OSX ( Apples OS ) requires Efi too right..... yeah ok. Typing this from my home built i7 rig ( with a regular bios ) running 10.7
My point you ask? Simple ...... efi can be emulated at the lowest level possible prior to the OS itself running. I'm betting one of our awesome devs gets things working soon enough.
Also to Dragon_79 -
"Windows RT has requirements the TF101 doesn't meet. Even if someone found a way to NVFlash it to the TF101, WindowsRT needs a minimum GPU that the Nvidia chip in the TF doesn't provide."
The tegra2 has more horsepower than the integrated Intel HD graphics. I seriously doubt that the GPU isn't powerful enough.
I'm eagerly waiting

Windows 8 on Asus Transformer tf101
whitekidney said:
No. This won't work. Windows doesn't run on ARM, and Windows 8 will never run on the TF101.
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the new Win 8 released last night is compatible to ARM processors and transformers have ARM processor!:fingers-crossed:

vetman said:
the new Win 8 released last night is compatible to ARM processors and transformers have ARM processor!:fingers-crossed:
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NO. Windows RT uses a secure boot it will never run on the transformer

asus and acer devices
asus do plan on releasing a new transformer named the vivo9(I may be in coorrect about the name), and acer are planing on releasing a device with the same idea, both devices will run windows rt and possibly windows 8, but if the microsoft surface is anything to go by, a windows rt tablet is not that great

I'm also interested in this. I need a tab I can run exe:s on.

tihimasmo said:
I'm also interested in this. I need a tab I can run exe:s on.
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If you want to run your usual *.exe, you need a machine with the hardware architecture it was compiled for.
So if you want to run a program which was compiled for x86, you need a x86 tablet.
What you could do is emulating x86 hardware on the arm (there are solutions for that), but it would be awfully slow. You can use it for proof-of-concepts, but not much more.