I know this is being discussed in the Development forum, but I can't post anything there because I'm a new member. Anyway, just wanted to get some discussion going regarding MMS capabilities when hooked up to T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling feature. It seems like many of the people in the development forums are under the impression that the phone switches to cellular data to send/receive MMS messages, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I use Wi-Fi calling at my house where there is absolutely zero cellular reception and I can definitely send MMS messages as long as I'm on Wi-Fi. I'm not a technical expert by any means so I have no idea how exactly it works but it shows the "G" icon when I send an MMS (which I believe stands for GPRS) and MMS messages can be sent and received.
Just wondering what other people's experiences were regarding this.
Yes the "G" doesstand for GPRS, but if you are seeing the "G" when you are sending or receiving a MMS. Then this means it is kicking over to your mobile data to send or receive the MMS. I like you live in a very weak signal area and even though I have my WiFi Calling on at home my mobile data kicks on when I send or receive MMS. And just like you it is usually the "G" or the "2G"(Edge) symbol.
Now I am no expert by no means on this subject but I can tell you that MMS strickly uses mobile data as my WiFi calling adds non when I sendor recieve a MMS at home. I usually have to set my device in the window sealto get it to send or receive a MMS.
That's the thing, I get absolutely ZERO reception at my house (GPRS/EDGE/3G) but I can definitely send MMS messages as long as I am connected to Wi-Fi and actually have the Wi-Fi calling app enabled. I noticed the same thing happens when I open up the T-Mobile My Account app to check minute and data usage. The app doesn't work over Wi-Fi alone (ie. connected to Wi-Fi but without the Wi-Fi calling app enabled) but it definitely works if you have Wi-Fi calling enabled. Maybe I can get a video of it to show you what I'm talking about.
nubletdeluxe, you are right. When on WiFi calling, it uses WiFi not cellular signal to send your pics. Since the upgrade to ICS, I have tried to send many picture messages and without WiFi calling enabled, 4 out of 5 would fail and if they did go through, it would take forever! Since enabling WiFi calling, I also see the "G" but it takes seconds to send a picture message and have yet to have one fail.
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Hey,
I do not have a data plan with my carrier because virtually everywhere I go has WiFi, so I leach off of this. Because of this, I disabled the data connection so I don't wind up with any accidental charges. But, this leaves me unable to send or receive SMS messages. Has anyone found a good solution for this? Thanks!
If you cant send SMS thats not a data issue. If you mean MMS then:
Here (T-Mob UK) i have 2 connections, my internet connection & my MMS connection. If i receive a media message, the phone connects to the latter - free - and downloads the message.
If i send a mms, it connects again (still free for the data) and sends it. I get billed per mms sent, regardless of the ammount of data.
The internet connection isnt used for messages at all, but for everything else (and is billed per kb)
I'm talking about MMS, I mixed it up in the paragraph. I have to connections with AT&T: Media Net and ISP GRPS. So will just disabling the ISP GRPS connection allow me to send MMS without accidently connecting with Opera a day later on accident?
With AT&T, Data and Messaging are separate features. As long as you have a Messaging or Messaging Unlimited plan, you can send and receive text and MMS messages.
Yes I realize that, but my issue is accidental data usage after the message is sent. I have unlimited MMS and SMS but I dropped the data because most places I go has wi fi. The issue is that I might send a message and an hour later it downloads my email from the data connection either when there is wi fi or not.
I do the same thing with my Fuze, I also have AT&T and use NoData. I just tried to send a MMS and it wont even connect to send it. I even uninstalled NoData and it wouldnt connect. I have done a little looking aroud and with AT&T any smartphone you use has to have a data plan to send MMS, it is true that it doesnt need it but AT&T wont let you connect to media net with out it.
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I do the same thing with my Fuze, I also have AT&T and use NoData. I just tried to send a MMS and it wont even connect to send it. I even uninstalled NoData and it wouldnt connect. I have done a little looking aroud and with AT&T any smartphone you use has to have a data plan to send MMS, it is true that it doesnt need it but AT&T wont let you connect to media net with out it.
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This is correct. As far as I am aware there is no work around for it either. I used email for the longest time instead, but finally decided it was time to get a data plan. Its actually pretty nice.
I think this is very wrong of AT&T to do, I pay for unlimited text and MMS and I cant even use it. I have no need for the data plan, at home I have Wifi I also have it at work and my half hour drive I dont need to be connected to the internet. The only company I know that will let you do something like this is T-Mobile, I did it with them when I had my blackberry.
Yeah it is a little unfair, although really the end user is at fault too for disabling the data feature to avoid accidental charges.
Side note- I thought that with Blackberrys you had to have the BB Data service as it is something RIM mandates or because its a licensing/contractual thing between them and the carrier.
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Yeah it is a little unfair, although really the end user is at fault too for disabling the data feature to avoid accidental charges.
Side note- I thought that with Blackberrys you had to have the BB Data service as it is something RIM mandates or because its a licensing/contractual thing between them and the carrier.
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You only need the service books for your carrier for mms to work on the Blackberry, t-mobile will give these out AT&T wont. For the Blackberry the work around is to put in a sim card that has a active BB data plan, it then downloads the service books and when you put your sim back in it will still connect with out charging you for it.
Can anyone tell me the settings to Connect to "Media Net" on AT&T? It would be really appreciated
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Can anyone tell me the settings to Connect to "Media Net" on AT&T? It would be really appreciated
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have you tried at&t's support pages?
Hi all,
I'm running the 8107 build on my unlocked v1.4 Samsung Focus.
For some reason, when I'm connected to WiFi, I'm unable to send MMS messages - when doing so, I receive a "Can't send message Try again" error.
If I disable WiFi at that point (revert to 3G) and try to resend the msg, it is sent without issue.
Whatdya' think?
Thanks!
Are you turning cellular data off and then going to wifi? You need cellular data on to send MMS. MMS can't be done over wifi.
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Are you turning cellular data off and then going to wifi? You need cellular data on to send MMS. MMS can't be done over wifi.
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Nope - phone just picks up the WiFi connection automatically (as it's been previously connected).
My wife has a non-unlocked v1.3 Focus, and she has no issues sending MMS when connected to the same WiFi network (?)
i have the same problem with my htc 7 pro. but i found out that it has nothing to do with wifi, the mms of wp7 are concepted only to use 3g and not wifi internet connection, it has something to do with the MMSC server where the messages come in from your device. and MMS and SMS look similar but are two different systems in message delivery.
an other way to send it over wifi is with an email to the recipient in this form [email protected] PTN is public telephone number and the carrier name is carrier specific... thats the only way sending over wifi/http.
It seems like I posted this in the wrong forum earlier - wasn't asking for an answer to a particular question but just wanted a discussion in general. Mods, you can delete the other thread in the Q&A forum. Anyway...
I know this is being discussed in the Development forum, but I can't post anything there because I'm a new member. Anyway, just wanted to get some discussion going regarding MMS capabilities when hooked up to T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling feature. It seems like many of the people in the development forums are under the impression that the phone switches to cellular data to send/receive MMS messages, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I use Wi-Fi calling at my house where there is absolutely zero cellular reception and I can definitely send MMS messages as long as I'm on Wi-Fi. I'm not a technical expert by any means so I have no idea how exactly it works but it shows the "G" icon when I send an MMS (which I believe stands for GPRS) and MMS messages can be sent and received.
Just wondering what other people's experiences were regarding this.
When it shows the G, it switches to mobile data to send the text.
That's the thing, I get absolutely ZERO reception (neither GPRS nor EDGE nor 3G/4G) and I can definitely send and receive MMS messages as long as I have Wi-Fi calling enabled. The same sort of thing happens with the T-Mobile My Account app. It won't work over Wi-Fi, but if you actually have the Wi-Fi calling app enabled and connected, My Account works. Check it out.
I have had a crazy time both with wifi calling remaining connected (suffered sudden drops), and further SMS over wifi seemed spotty at best.
Part of this was caused by either a bad SIM card, or deletions of stock apps and/or services...which now have been fixed.
At the moment everything is working fine. Don't know if this will affect anyone, but I thought I would just add to the library of knowledge.
First, once I got wifi-calling working (meaning the status bar icon was no longer red), I started to read the log files and realized that every time the wifi was reset, wifi calling would not consistently restart.
What I have realized is that wifi-calling and SMS are dependent on TMOs mobile network via wifi. However, any internet connection is simply that...and any apps you have like FB or Google Voice will work with that wifi internet connection. Conversely,the TMO wifi-calling service/app either connects on a different layer (such as the IP layer) or uses some unusual node-based connection to traverse the 802.11 frequency, over your ISP's and other networks to arrive at the TMO servers which then are linked into the mobile network. You can see this by downloading an app that triangulates and provides tower locations nearby or gives you other mobile network data (i.e., CID, etc)... That data is either not decipherable by the app trying to get this data, or one gets unusual info when compared to non-wifi calling. Bottom line is that there are two separate signals being carried by the wifi: "data" and "mobile wifi calling" and they are completely different.
Another example of proof: if you are having difficulty with SMS using your wifi internet connection, try sending the SMS via Google Voice. If you have an internet connection, it will go through immediately. But regular SMS has problems if wifi-calling is not working correctly.
And one of the biggest culprits of this is wifi fixer or other similar wifi connection apps. Although it's only a guess, the "scan" these apps do are likely a simple ping to determine status of the DATA connection.
I shut off wifi fixer (but left it as a widget to use as needed), and I have perfect wifi calling and SMS.
Whatever criteria wifi fixer apps use when deciding to reset or reassociate the wifi connection is not reflective of the integrity of your connection using wifi calling. In fact wifi calling may partially interfere with your data connection which will typically trigger a reset by wifi fixer.
From now on, if I am planning on simply surfing the web and my wifi signal is less than optimum, I will turn on wifi fixer. Otherwise it just tears down wifi calling connection.
Hope this is of use.
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Thanks for sharing your experience. I have an issue where over time Wifi calling disconnects even though wifi is still working. I have to re-toggle wifi to get Wifi calling back. It's very annoying.
Talk to NRGZ28... I think Energy ROM had a fix for that I'm the Amaze 4G Energy ROM
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I have had a crazy time both with wifi calling remaining connected (suffered sudden drops), and further SMS over wifi seemed spotty at best.
Part of this was caused by either a bad SIM card, or deletions of stock apps and/or services...which now have been fixed.
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Although there have been occasional exceptions, it's unusual for a wifi call on my H1s to last longer than about a minute before dropping off/disconnecting. When this happens, the call time counter changes back to say "Dialing." Of course, there is no dialing, just dead silence. There are no other signs of a problem, no error messages, no indicator icons, etc. On the same wifi network I can make long uninterrupted calls with our older MyTouch 4G - no issues at all with wifi calling.
I'm running unrooted, locked, stock ROM (for now). I don't think I've removed any apps and I think the only wifi-related app I've used is Wifi Analyzer. Could you offer suggests on how to debug this? The firmware update didn't give any improvements. Should I ask Tmo to provide a new SIM card?
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Although there have been occasional exceptions, it's unusual for a wifi call on my H1s to last longer than about a minute before dropping off/disconnecting. When this happens, the call time counter changes back to say "Dialing." Of course, there is no dialing, just dead silence. There are no other signs of a problem, no error messages, no indicator icons, etc. On the same wifi network I can make long uninterrupted calls with our older MyTouch 4G - no issues at all with wifi calling.
I'm running unrooted, locked, stock ROM (for now). I don't think I've removed any apps and I think the only wifi-related app I've used is Wifi Analyzer. Could you offer suggests on how to debug this? The firmware update didn't give any improvements. Should I ask Tmo to provide a new SIM card?
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Well the first thing I would suggest is a factory reset. This being the most simple option given your phone is not rooted and on stock. The strange part of this is the "Dialing" instead of the normal keypad (which typically reverts when a call is disconnected).
As far as a SIM card, do you ever get any SIM card errors? Like "ER05" or "REV99"?
These are typically the errors of faulty cards or a bad wifi signal. Check out an app called Network Signal Info....it will tell you the strength of the wifi signal compared to the mobile network (although its not always reliable).
Let me know what a factory reset does. All of your apps will be restored by google (and their are apps to modify this restore as well).
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Well the first thing I would suggest is a factory reset. This being the most simple option given your phone is not rooted and on stock. The strange part of this is the "Dialing" instead of the normal keypad (which typically reverts when a call is disconnected).
As far as a SIM card, do you ever get any SIM card errors? Like "ER05" or "REV99"?
These are typically the errors of faulty cards or a bad wifi signal. Check out an app called Network Signal Info....it will tell you the strength of the wifi signal compared to the mobile network (although its not always reliable).
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Didn't reset yet, want to test a little more.
I've never gotten a SIM card error. The unexpected "Dialing" with the End Call button still showing is the only indication something is off.
Tonight I ran a few tests calling between our 2 Android phones in the same room, same wifi. 3 calls 1S to MT4G: 2 were perfect and lasted several minutes, while the middle call disconnected after less than a minute. 3 calls MT4G to 1S: all 3 went directly to voicemail, the 1S didn't even ring. Now I recall that's been a complaint before - that calls to me go straight to voicemail when I've been on wifi calling.
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Didn't reset yet, want to test a little more.
I've never gotten a SIM card error. The unexpected "Dialing" with the End Call button still showing is the only indication something is off.
Tonight I ran a few tests calling between our 2 Android phones in the same room, same wifi. 3 calls 1S to MT4G: 2 were perfect and lasted several minutes, while the middle call disconnected after less than a minute. 3 calls MT4G to 1S: all 3 went directly to voicemail, the 1S didn't even ring. Now I recall that's been a complaint before - that calls to me go straight to voicemail when I've been on wifi calling.
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Are you sure wifi-calling is on? Do you have the blue icon in the status bar?
Sometimes this isn't on, even though wifi is on and you are making a call.. Not sure if that is intentional or not.
Just in case... The switch is in settings> more (under wireless and network buttons)
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Are you sure wifi-calling is on? Do you have the blue icon in the status bar?
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Yep, it's on.
Just to be clear, the H1S has received calls when wifi calling is on, it's just sometimes that they go directly to vm. For example, as I'm typing the phone just received a wifi call and is handling it fine, hasn't dropped after 3 minutes.
NO CONSISTENCY, BUT USUALLY DOESN'T WORK.
A factory reset did not fix the problem.
I sent my 88 year old mother a (Boost Mobile) Moto G which I flashed and activated on Page Plus. I set it up so apps will only update via wifi and left the data off. I would like her to be able to receive MMS messages without having to toggle the data on and off. If she turns the data on, will she be able to receive MMS messages even though wifi is on? The reason I ask is I had a Droid Razr that was flashed to work on Page Plus and the data didn't work if wifi was on. And since I set it up so that apps will only update via wifi, will there be any other data usage when her wifi isn't connected? (She lives in a senior living complex and wifi is only available in certain areas.)
On some phones (maybe only on carrier that support wifi calling) the stock messaging app allows MMS over wifi. If 'Mobile network data' is not enabled, there will be no internet connection when out of Wifi range.
What about using something like Viber as an alternative for sending and receiving picture messages? It requires very little setup.