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WM6 Wish List.....Please Post your non-Rom-Specific WM6 Issues here

Hi all,
Please could you post any issues you are having, tweaks/ OEMs you would like included into the next WM6 Build.
Leo and I will try to tackle all the known issues people are having with the WM6 builds and release a completed Rom.
Of course we need to know what issues you are having first, so post away.
Please keep this thread clean and only post current Rom problems.
This is not a QA post, it is for us to collect a complete list of known issues.
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Current Issues posted.
Conference call.(It let's me swap two calls but not letting me putting in conference (no button, no menu voice))
VOIP working properly through the phone earpiece and use the built in GSM CODEC, but mainly the earpiece.
True VGA
An update with the new HTC apps (audio manager, today, …)
Video Call, and if you could fix Messenger Live, so that it doesn't download my MSN contacts to the Address Book
3G data to work properly and STAY connected when push/a constant connection is enabled
Vanilla version + kitchen (I prefer not to have msn and live)
wifi wpa
fully-functional phone (quick responding keys) -- when i tried leo's v7, the response was slow and Talk button doesn't always work.
Ringtones on SD Card.
after turning on wifi - the bubble still stays as "turn ON wifi", and not "turn OFF wifi"
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Cheers,
Beast

The bugs
Hi Beast0898,
I don't think many people now me under the name Leo
Cheers,
Laurentius26
beast0898 said:
Hi all,
Please could you post any issues you are having, tweaks/ OEMs you would like included into the next WM6 Build.
Leo and I will try to tackle all the known issues people are having with the WM6 builds and release a completed Rom.
Of course we need to know what issues you are having first, so post away.
Please keep this thread clean and only post current Rom problems.
This is not a QA post, it is for us to collect a complete list of known issues.
Mods.........Please make sticky.
Cheers,
Beast
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dont we have a bugtracker?!?

Bugtracker
Haha..
yes, that's also a friend.
BEAST and I joint forces building WM6VC
TehPenguin is taking the bugs hehe...
http://xdabugs.vidmes.com/?
I hope we solve many problems together soon
Cheers,
Laurentius26

OK, to start off with one that seems to have been only commented on a couple of times - the "Turn on WI-Fi" works to turn on Wi-Fi but still says "Turn on WI-Fi" even after this, and cannot be used to Turn off Wi-Fi as it could in WM5 (which meant we didn't need to use the Comm Manager).

omg.. we have 2 stickies catering to bug reports/tracking. I personally prefer TehPenguin's bugtracker.. it looks much more organized (but I hate the color combination and font sizes of his site.. no offense ThePenguin ) I already posted I few bugs there that I remember I had when using the ROMs.

More memory Please
Hi Leo
I am using your current rom. Works great but would like to see more program memory up to 10 mb even at the expense of storage memory. Out of the 48.9 mb program memory available I am using more than 70% at 34.57 mb which only leaves me < 14mb free. (Pocket Breeze is a TSR using 3mb alone unless minimized)
In conjunction with this request can you also look at memory leakage? At reboot I get around 60% usage before opening anything, then the memory appears to leak or increase even without loading any applications up to 80% usage after around 2 days.
Cheers,
Simon

simonsalo, it's not the ROM. It's your today screen plugins that leaks. Or the apps/programs that you use.
The base ROM used in Laurentius26's ROM is Midget_1990's ROM.. which is by far the most memory efficient WM6 ROM out there.

DaVince said:
omg.. we have 2 stickies catering to bug reports/tracking. I personally prefer TehPenguin's bugtracker.. it looks much more organized (but I hate the color combination and font sizes of his site.. no offense ThePenguin ) I already posted I few bugs there that I remember I had when using the ROMs.
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No offence taken - I stole the style off another site
Just a reminder - If you need Admin\Developer privileges to my site, just PM or email me

I've just gone to the bug tracker to add those I've found - I think it's a more structured way of reporting bugs than a free-for-all in the forum. I think we should try and encourage people to use that to report bugs.
Cheers,
Steve.

Midget_1990 said:
dont we have a bugtracker?!?
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Hi Midget,
Yes we have a bug tracker (congrats and thx to TehPenguin for that), but what I am after here, is not necessarily bugs.
What I want to collect is what people want working on WM6 in general, I don't want bugs listed from each different Rom.
I need to know what features are important to everyone so that we can prioritse fixes better and make a WM6 Rom that suits all (now I know that's near impossible) but if we can collate a list of features/apps and functionalities, iron out the bugs we can get a stable functional Rom for WM6 that the majority will be happy with.
Cheers,
Beast

We(speaking for probably everyone here... ) could use the video call, and if you could fix Messenger Live, so that it doesn't download my MSN contacts to the Address Book, it would be great.
Or at least make sure that even if it downloads the contacts, they don't disappear from the MSN contact list when deleted from the address book(I recently had that problem: half my contact list vanished without a trace when I merged the downloaded instant messaging addresses into the existing contacts(to have everything in one place), and when I tried to re-add them, messenger gave me a curt response: "There was a problem. Please try again")
Also, if you could fix a small bug that makes the backlight button open Backlight Settings in addition to turning on the light, it would be great.
Also, system sounds seem a bit on the quiet side, it would be welcome if you could amp them a notch or two...
Thank you very much for your efforts in advance!

I would like 3G data to work properly and STAY connected when push/a constant connection is enabled. I believe this bug/deficit is present in ALL WM6 roms at present.

jasonkruys said:
I would like 3G data to work properly and STAY connected when push/a constant connection is enabled. I believe this bug/deficit is present in ALL WM6 roms at present.
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errrm...the JWrightmcps ROM I'm using(incidentally, the same as yours...) STAYS connected all the time for me...
but this is probably not the place to discuss this, just thought I'd share...

Every day I check to see if a new rom has been released ...... I am very happy to hear that someone is onto it and that forces are been joined ..... its all I bit messy at the mement with the different rome buit off each other.
My wish is that it at least a near vanilla rom or that a vanilla is released also. I prefer not to have msn and live ...etc.
Thanks heaps!!!
guinevere

things i wish to have in a rom:
1. wifi wpa
2. fully-functional phone (quick responding keys) -- when i tried leo's v7, the response was slow and Talk button doesn't always work.
3. currently, i don't use videocall -- but this will be handy.
4. with vanilla version + kitchen?
great work, guys!
thanks!

I would like to have a simple but useful function:
Ringtones on SD Card.

3G
Hi,
I don't think it excist in my current WM6ProBussiness.
Internet works flawless and stays connected!
Did you try already?
Regards,
Laurentius26
jasonkruys said:
I would like 3G data to work properly and STAY connected when push/a constant connection is enabled. I believe this bug/deficit is present in ALL WM6 roms at present.
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I've not used a ROM as posted since Helmi's kitchen, I want my ROMs my way
I miss Helmi's use of the new comm manager and its speed (will try Leo's at some point).

the "turn ON wifi" bubble still needs fixing.
after turning on wifi - the bubble still stays as "turn ON wifi", and not "turn OFF wifi"

Noob - What rom to use?

Hello there,
I have some questions that I’m sure every newbie here will need answered.
1- Are there any signs that there will be an official WM6 update?
2- What options will the device lose if updated to an unofficial ROM update? I heard something about video calls and Wi-Fi.
3- What will I gain if I updated my device to WM6?
4- Which is the best ROM update out there and what’s its limitation?
5- Is it stable?
Thanks a lot for advace.

dark hawk, you really have to read around a little.
Unfortunately the (non official) WM6 roms are in a constant state of flux, but you should be comforted by the fact that the WM6 Universal Rom was one of the first "non official" Wm6 roms released. So it's stable enough.
I ran an early one for several months, no problems.
I suggest trying a few, as they will rarely cause any permanent issues, and most are improvements over WM5.
Video calling might be lost. But everything else seems to work well enough.
No idea about an official WM6 rom I'm afraid. Check out HTC's websites.
V

dark_hawk said:
Hello there,
I have some questions that I’m sure every newbie here will need answered.
1- Are there any signs that there will be an official WM6 update?
2- What options will the device lose if updated to an unofficial ROM update? I heard something about video calls and Wi-Fi.
3- What will I gain if I updated my device to WM6?
4- Which is the best ROM update out there and what’s its limitation?
5- Is it stable?
Thanks a lot for advace.
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ANSWERS
1. No there will no official WM6 for UNIVERSAL
2. Well you will not lose much other than slight issues with stability (which is also getting refined with the newer cooked ROMS)
Both Video Call and wifi work fine now . and with the new releases to come i am sure it will get further improved
Try using NEW WM6 PRO Business V7 VIDEOCALL by Laurentius26
or indra's UNI WM6 XOJ Version(WWE) by INDRA
both of them are very good ROMS with video call working and most of the bugs/isuues solved
and i am sure even if microsoft had planned an officila release it wouldn't have come close to these
(Remember the days when we had official WM5 and we still loved to use the ROMS cooked by HELMI, INDRA, JW.... Lt.Cmdr.Ivan)
4. No best ROM as such, you will have to find time, experiment with each of them to know which one suits you the most (Tip :- A newer version does not have to be the best of all)
Even after so many releases still there are lots of us who use Jwrightmcps Crossbow ROM Update 2.02.02 WWE, though its not the latest
5. Stability - i will not comment on it as i think people react differntly to the same ROM, for eg - i find indra's UNI WM6 XOJ Version(WWE) by INDRA, very good and stable with no hangups, but if you open the thread for the same there you will find a group of people with a different school of thought. for them its not stable. So the best way to find out is to devote a few weekends on it and experiment flashing the new ROMS, and look for yourself
"THE MOST APPROPRIATE ONE"

vijay555 said:
dark hawk, you really have to read around a little.
Unfortunately the (non official) WM6 roms are in a constant state of flux, but you should be comforted by the fact that the WM6 Universal Rom was one of the first "non official" Wm6 roms released. So it's stable enough.
I ran an early one for several months, no problems.
I suggest trying a few, as they will rarely cause any permanent issues, and most are improvements over WM5.
Video calling might be lost. But everything else seems to work well enough.
No idea about an official WM6 rom I'm afraid. Check out HTC's websites.
V
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Video Call is reported working for most people for Laurentius WM6 V7 Video Call and Indra's ROM if they follow instruction. Do not know why some of them do not work.
Unfortunately my Uni died before I could try WM6.

Perhaps a poll could be created of which Rom is used. That way we know which people have generally plumped for and the more people using it with success the more chance that installing it might be a good idea for somebody else.

I second the idea for a poll.

I've just loaded Jwrightmcps's ROM and am very impressed. Very stable, no real issues for me. I don't need video calling so don't think I'll be changing again soon.

New HTC 1.56 Based Rom from FABIII TEAM

NEW ROM BY FABIII TEAM & THEQUARTZGUY BASED OFF HTC ROM v1.56 AND CREATED USING KITCHEN & TOOLS FROM XDA DEVELOPERS
WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT I SPENT MUCH TIME CREATING, RESEARCHING, AND TESTING THIS AND MANY OTHER ROMS TO GET ONE THAT I FEEL MAY BE TO OTHERS LIKING, BUT I ALSO HAVE TO CREDIT THE EXTREMELY TALENTED FOLKS AT XDA (INCLUDING ALEX, POF, DUTTY, JESCPI2000, AND MANY MANY OTHERS OF WHOM I CANNOT REMEMBER!!!). THERE ARE ALSO SEVERAL APPS INCLUDED IN THIS ROM THAT WERE CREATED BY OTHER PEOPLE AND/OR COMPANIES THAT I DID NOT CREATE, BUT ONLY INCLUDED INTO THE ROM FOR OTHERS ENJOYMENT.
*ANY APPS INCLUDED THAT WERE CREATED BY COMPANIES AND ARE NOT FREEWARE APPS SHOULD BE TRIAL VERSIONS ONLY. ALSO, IF ANY APPS THAT ARE INCLUDED THAT WERE CREATED BY ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO WISHES IT NOT BE INCLUDED IN MY ROM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND I WILL CORRECT THAT.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, ALL THE APPS INCLUDED ARE NOT CAUSING AN "INFRINGEMENT" ISSUE.
This is a newly created rom made by FABIII TEAM and THEQUARTZGUY (me) and is a nice rom focused towards folks who want a rom that will have basically all the apps you need or want already installed after flashing/hard reset. It has a little over 90 mb free after hard reset, which is not bad if you consider everything on the rom. This rom was only tested by a small group of people, but results have been good so far. It is basically a loaded up rom full of media/office/utility apps that are useful to most people.
It also has an autoinstall on customizations, so you can choose wether or not to install several apps, so you can set it to your liking to some extent.
This rom is pretty clean altogether, and most of the app shortcuts are placed in folders to clean up the start menu a little. The today screen looks a little cluttered, of course, due to the today plugins included, but they can be easily disabled in today settings, as you already know
ROM DETAILS:
BASED ON HTC ROM v1.56.00.00
ORIGINAL ROM DATE: 08/27/07
RADIO (INCLUDED): 1.27.12.32
PROTOCOL VERSION: 22.45.88.07H
THIS ROMIS RUNNING A 64 MB PAGEPOOL, WHICH IM NOT SURE IF IT HELPS A WHOLE LOT, BUT I DID TRY OUT THE ROM STARTING WITH A 6 MB DEFAULT PAGE POOL, AND STEADILY INCREASING UP TO 64 MB, AND IT "SEEMED" TO ME LIKE IT HELPED A LITTLE UNDER SOME CONDITIONS. AGAIN, THIS MAY NOT BE A BIG HELP EITHER WAY, BUT AGAIN, IT SEEMED TO HELP AND IT DEFINITELY DID NOT APPEAR TO CRAMP ANYTHING, SO I WENT WITH THIS.
SCREENSHOTS INCLUDED BELOW:
LINK TO ROM IS BELOW:
COMPLETE ROM WITH CUSTOMRUU AND ROM NBH ONLY HERE:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8A5S41GW
ROM NBH FILE ONLY HERE:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ILL8PTM2
****ROM IS NBH FILE ONLY, JUST ADD A CUSTOMRUU.EXE FROM XDA OR ANOTHER ROM TO FLASH FROM YOUR PC USING ACTIVESYNC. YOU CAN ALSO JUST PLACE THE .NBH ON STAORAGE CARD (ON ROOT DIR) AND RENAME TO "KAISIMG" AND PLACE PHONE IN BOOTLOADER BY PRESSING & HOLDING CAMERA AND THEN PUSHING RESET WITH STYLUS. IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY DETECT THE FILE AND ASK YOU TO PRESS POWER BUTTON TO FLASH, THEN RESET PHONE WHEN COMPLETE!****
APPLICATIONS INCLUDED ON THIS VERSION:
- ATT PROXY SETTINGS
- 1-CALC LITE W/ NICE BLUE SKIN
- ADOBE FLASH PLAYER LITE 2.0
- BCR WORLD CARD READER (KAISER OEM APP)
- ADOBE READER LE 2.0[/COLOR
- BLUETOOTH A2DP UPDATES + HOTFIX
- CONNECTION SETUP v1.0.30488.1
- QUICK GPS v1.00.919717.01
- REMOTE DESKTOP SHARING
- WIFIFOFUM (NICE LITTLE WIFI SCANNING APP)
- 10 BUTTON HTC GREEN COMM MANAGER (SIMILAR TO ATHENA'S)
- TIER AUTOINSTALL (FRONT-END CUSTOMIZATIONS ON HARD RESET)
- GAMES: MINES/BUBBLEBREAKER/SOLITAIRE/CHESS/DOPEWARS/FREECELL/
HEARTS/KEVTRIS/POCKET SAND/SODOKU/RUBIK/TRIPZEE/CROSSWORD
- TODAY PLUGINS: HTC HOME 2 W/ ALIEN FONT & 9 ICON PLUGINS/
SAMSUNG TIME/OZ IM/SPB
- INTERNET SHARING
- OZ INSTANT MESSENGER + TODAY PLUGIN
- DEFAULT TO WM6 DIALER W/ SMARTDIALING (PICTURED) (CAN EASILY
REVERT TO HTC DIALER IF DESIRED)
- SIP'S: STANDARD FULLSIZE ON-SCREEN KEYBOARD W/ GRAPHITE SKIN/
HTC TOUCH KEYBOARD/TRANSCRIBER 2.0
- WORKING TCPMP v0.72RC1 W/ FLASH VIDEO BUNDLE & CODECS
- HTC AUDIO MANAGER
- HTC VOICE RECORDER
- ARCSOFT MMS v5.0.31.7
- WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER + SKINS
- REAL PLAYER v1.00.810712.00
- HTC STREAMING MEDIA
- MS OFFICE MOBILE 6.1 + ONE NOTE MOBILE 6.1
- REGISTRY: BEAM DISBALED/AUTO TIMEZONE SYNC/LARGER FILE SYSTEM
& GLYPH CACHE SIZES/PIE 5-WAY NAVIGATION
- WM6 SOUND SCHEME + SLIDING SOUNDS + SPECIAL SLIDING SOUNDS
- HTC STARTUP ANIMATION
- WINDOWS VISTA AERO THEME BY DEFAULT AFTER HARD RESET
- TILT KEYBOARD FIX INCLUDED FOR ATT TILT USERS
- SPB MOBILE SHELL (REQUIRES KEY)
- SCHAPS ADVANCED CONFIGURATION TOOL
- KAISER TWEAK (UPDATED VERSION AS OF 01/10/08)
- DOTFRED PIM BACKUP
- CLEAR TEMP
- FTOUCH FLO + CONFIGURATION
- HTC ZIP
- POCKET SCREEN 1.0
- QUICK MENU
- WKTASK
- RC MOD (CHANGE COLORS OF TODAY LINES/BARS/ETC...)
- SPRITE BACKUP 5.1.0 WWE
THOUGH I HAVE BUILT DOZENS AND DOZENS OF ROMS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW THIS ROM WORKS FOR YOU, AS THIS IS THE FIRST ROM I HAVE ACTUALLY POSTED FOR PUBLIC USE.
I THINK YOU WILL BE PLEASED!!!

Think it would help everyone,
if you listed what apps were included in the ROM.

this ROM looks very unorganized, not many new features or apps (from what I see because you didn't list any) and the whole overall look of it is ugly. Sorry to be such a harsh critic but there are some better ROMs on this site then this, nice try though.
Alos, if you were going for stability over features etc.. I don't know why anybody really focuses on that anymore. Every ROM i've flashed with my Kaiser has been stable because It is a fast device. With my Hermes, Stability was very important esp. with Mobile 6, but i think the kaisers hardware can handle a lot.

shanetheclassic said:
this ROM looks very unorganized, not many new features or apps (from what I see because you didn't list any) and the whole overall look of it is ugly. Sorry to be such a harsh critic but there are some better ROMs on this site then this, nice try though.
Alos, if you were going for stability over features etc.. I don't know why anybody really focuses on that anymore. Every ROM i've flashed with my Kaiser has been stable because It is a fast device. With my Hermes, Stability was very important esp. with Mobile 6, but i think the kaisers hardware can handle a lot.
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"TO GET ONE THAT I FEEL MAY BE TO OTHERS LIKING" and "The today screen looks a little cluttered"
quartzguy states he wanted a ROM which others may like - not just what shanetheclassic wants. And yes he as well recognizes the today screen is not the best. If you don't like what the cook is brewing don't eat it. Why do you have to discourage people? Where is your cooked ROM so I have go flame it? Judging from your previous posts you have a pretty cruddy outlook all together.

Shannoncole05 i agree with you !!
Bye

Looks like a nice ROM FABIII Team! I just may give it a whirl.

shannoncole05 said:
....If you don't like what the cook is brewing don't eat it. Why do you have to discourage people?....
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Well said...
downloaded

Responding To Feedback...
Hey All Thanks Alot For Supporting The Rom, I Know Many People Like Different Things, But I Really Felt That Many People May Enjoy This One Due To Its "application Rich" Content And Still Having Enough Availible Memory To Do What They Need.
As I Said Before, The Today Screen Is Somewhat Cluttered, But That Is Easily Fixed With A Couple Screen Taps To The Settings Page... I Wanted To Include Enough Today Plugins To Hopefully Suit "everyone", Or At Least Give Them More Options.
well, Thanks To Anyone Willing To Try It And Provide Feedback, If Anyone Likes This Rom, i Am Working On A 6.1 Based Rom At This Time, And Dont Know When It Will Be Finished, But I Would Be Glad To Post It If Anyone Out There Is The Slightest Bit Interested!
Thanks In Advance From The Fabiii Team/thequartzguy For Providing Us The Feedback To Better Our Roms!!!

shannoncole05 said:
"TO GET ONE THAT I FEEL MAY BE TO OTHERS LIKING" and "The today screen looks a little cluttered"
quartzguy states he wanted a ROM which others may like - not just what shanetheclassic wants. And yes he as well recognizes the today screen is not the best. If you don't like what the cook is brewing don't eat it. Why do you have to discourage people? Where is your cooked ROM so I have go flame it? Judging from your previous posts you have a pretty cruddy outlook all together.
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Just based on the fact that he's from Philly it's in his DNA to be rude.

Looks nice. good job and keep it up!

good job guys

Brick with this ROM
I am a ROM addict and this ROM just brick my fone. Actually had to return it to ATT and buy a new $600 Kaiser. The install was going fine up until 78% and it simply stopped and would not restart and went to Bootloader. I tried the MTYY and other device to try to restart but to no avail. Nevertheless, I concede that it could also have been my computer that malfunctioned but I doubt it.

Respond To "bricked" Phone...
taurusco, I Am Sorry To Hear About Your Troubles, And Hope You Have Straightened Everything Out. However, I Have Now Flashed This Rom Successfully On 6 Different Att Tilts And 2 Htc Kaisers And All Have Completed And Operated Perfectly. Again, Sorry About Your Troubles, But I Honestly Don't Believe This Rom Has Caused Your Ill Issues.
If Anyone Has Any Other Feedback On This Rom, Or Any Other Issues, Please Post, I Would Like To Know!

We're not allowed to cook VC 1.6 in. While there were "bundled" versions for other phones, it can only be purchased from m$ for Kaiser. VC 1.6 is warez and must be removed unless you have cooked in a trial version or one that requires a key. Sorry
Otherwise, looks like a nice effort! Have you considered adding in UC capability? UC can be found here

Cooking Ms Vc 1.6....
Ok Sleuth, I See What You Mean On This App... No Problem, I Am Taking It Out As We Speak And Re-uploading The Rom... Thanks Alot For The Info, Please Let Me Know If There Are Any Other "notable" Issues.
-thx

HATERS.....
All negative feedback on this subject is retarded...someone out of the kindness of the heart takes time out of their busy schedule to make and post a rom...and some moron wants to put it down...all he wants is feedback on glitches/non working apps. Way to go quartzguy and keep up the good work!

I have flashed this rom multiple times and have had no "BRICK" issues...maybe need to reconsider that your computer had something to do with it....moreso, i have flashed every version of every rom quartzguy has cooked(at least 12) and have never bricked or had any major problems whatso ever...feel safe when flashing a FABIII rom...and thank you to all the people that have helpful feedback.

taurusco said:
I am a ROM addict and this ROM just brick my fone. Actually had to return it to ATT and buy a new $600 Kaiser. The install was going fine up until 78% and it simply stopped and would not restart and went to Bootloader. I tried the MTYY and other device to try to restart but to no avail. Nevertheless, I concede that it could also have been my computer that malfunctioned but I doubt it.
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Just had it do it to me, I am currently flashing another rom in a hope to save the phone. I am at 66% currently.

To Those With Rom Flashing Issues....
HEY GUYS, TO YOU THAT ARE HAVING FLASHING PROBLEMS, ARE YOU CHANGING THE NAME OF THE FILE PROPERLY AS TO WHICH WAY YOU ARE FLASHING? IE. FLASHING WITH CUSTOM RUU, FILE SHOULD BE "RUU_signed.NBH" and FLASHING WITH MICRO SD, FILE NAME SHOULD BE "KAISIMG.NBH"
OTHERWISE, NOT SURE WHY YOU WOULD BE HAVING AN ISSUE. I HAVE PERSONALLY FLASHED THIS TO MORE THAN 6 TILTS AND 2 KAISERS, AND I HAVE GOTEN FEEDBACK FROM OTHERS THAT HAVE ALSO FLASHED FINE, NO COMPLICATIONS...
PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS AND/OR ANY OTHER ISSUES OR SUCCESS STORIES, SO THAT I CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE HAD AN ISSUE. THANKS.
ALSO, I HAVE ADDED A LINK TO THIS ROM (THE COMPLETE ROM WITH NBH FILE ONLY AS WELL) WHICH INCLUDES A FOLDER THAT IS ALREADY SETUP FOR MICRO SD FLASHING AND A FOLDER SETUP FOR ACTIVESYNC FLASHING, SO IT IS EASY TO CHOOSE WHAT YOU NEED. ALSO, I HAVE ADDED INSTRUCTIONS AS TEXT FILES IN EACH FOLDER IN THAT LINK TO HELP ANYONE WHO NEEDS A GUIDE WITH FLASHING!
HOPE THIS HELPS!!!

Help with upgrading my K-JAM to WM6 & picking a ROM, etc.

Hey all, I hope you'll go easy on me as this is the first time I've ever flashed a WM device and the prospect of going wrong has caused me to post here! If anyone could talk me through this I'd be most greatful.
First off thanks for the guide which I've been studying for the best part of the day! I now think I'm ready to give it a try.
I have an i-mate K-JAM with an IPL/SPL of 2.16 which I assume means I have a G3.
I hope I've got it right...
I assume I'll need to downgrade using the Button rom to 1.05 then use Lokiwiz to perform a CID unlock (dunno if my device is CID locked or not, I'll just guess that it is).
Next step will be to upgrade to this T-Mobile ROM and then upgrade to IPL/SPL 3.08 to make the device boot faster.
Now it's time to flash with a WM6 rom right?! .
I'm a little wary of the huge variety of ROMs available. I realise I can't ask 'what's the best ROM' which is fine but I'd like to know which roms people would recommend for maintaining the same functionality of the original WM5 rom that came with my K-JAM, give me the ability to make VoIP calls (I have a voipcheap sip account) and be rather speedy.
I've heard good things about the TNT ROM which appears to have the above things I need. I assume this is the ROM I'll need - I think I'd prefer to add apps seperately so I guess it's best to go with the 'Official' version over 'Professional'.
About VoIP - I've seen people have been having issues with the other persons sound coming from the loudspeaker, has this issue been sorted now?
Let's say I decide to go back to WM5 (for whatever reason) at a later stage, I assume this'll still be possible by following the exact same downgrade/upgrade steps in the guide?
I hope I'm on the right path. Thanks to anyone who can help out!

HAY
I UPDATE MY K-JAM WITH TNT WM 6.1 TOUCHFLO ROM IT WORKING FINE
LINK.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367534

fayizk1 said:
HAY
I UPDATE MY K-JAM WITH TNT WM 6.1 TOUCHFLO ROM IT WORKING FINE
LINK.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367534
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Cheers, did you follow the same kinda procedure in my post? Have you messed with VoIP at all, if so how's it working for you?
Is WM6 running a lot smoother than WM5?

All done!
Just have one last question for now here

SMS92 said:
All done!
Just have one last question for now here
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Sorry, I've tuned into your question late. If it helps, I'm using mfrazz's XM6r3 ROM (I tried a more recent one that was buggier and went back to 3.) VoIP (Internet Calling) worked "right out of the box"- I just had to load one of the VoIP configuration utilities floating around here to enter my provider settings.
The only two issues really are that it uses the loadspeaker instead of the earspeaker (but bluetooth works fine) and the biggest issue- the Wizard is just too d**m slow for Internet Calling to work well- the audio is very choppy without overclocking (which I'm loathe to do.)
Fring, from Fring.com is a decent app for VoIP on slow WM phones like the Wizard, so I have that installed as well. It lets you use Skype, Google Talk, and a few other VoIPs as well as one SIP provider all in one app. It's not perfect either- it also uses the loudspeakers, it's akward to dial from (it has no real "dial pad"- you can either dial an existing contact by selecting one, or another number by selecting any contact and "overriding" their displayed number), it doesn't support DTMF (so there's no way to "press 1 for English...") and it always leaves the device volume at full blast when you exit the app, but it's got the best audio quality of any VoIP app I've used on the Wizard. (I used it from Mexico back in January over my hotel's WiFi to make $0.02/minute calls back to the States rather than T-Mobile's generous $1.49/min roam rate!)

Original vs Cooked ROMs

A few days ago I posted something on L26 V5 Diamond thread. It was either a very broad subject or a very naive one that nobody cared to write something in reply. Maybe I shouldn't have posted there.
Now I bring the subject here in a separate thread hoping that we would all share our views and experiences with regard to Original/Official WM6.1 ROMs vs the cooked ones. I already apologize if the subject doesn't deserve a thread and leave it to mods to decide whether the thread should remain or be closed.
Here's what I'd posted there:
So far as bugs are concerned, who's the culprit : build 19588.1.1.4 ? or L26_K_D_V5 ??
It seems an error is repeating so often & so regularly that it's becoming a systematic error. What am I talking about?
Well, we usually get so much focused on L26_XXX ROM or Dutty's_XXX ROM ...etc. that we totoally forget about the "Original/Official" ROMs these cooked ones are based on.
Somewhere in the devine XDA text , God once said :
Flash an "original/official" ROM / HR / flash the XXX cooked ROM / HR
The above is now a universally accepted verdict among us frequent ROM flashers. But how many of us do stay upon the "Original/Official" ROM - whether HTC or AT&T ...etc - for 10 minutes (or 10 seconds for that matter !!) ??
We flash the "Original/Official" ROM (whatever version it is - though , we generally tend to flash the Latest Original/Official one) only for the sake of the above said verdict and certainly not to see how that original ROM works on our devices. Understandably, this happens because we're in a hurry to flash the beautiful cooked ones.
What is my point?
How many of the rulings we pass (and the bugs we report) on L26_K_D_V5 have been tested (over a period of a week or so) upon the "Original/Offical" ROM the V5 is based upon (i.e. CE 5.2.19212 Build 19588.1.1.4) ?
Perhaps it's time that someone with an authoritative knowledge of ROMs takes the list of reported bugs/issues of V5, flashes the Build 19588.1.1.4 , rests upon it for a while , and sees if these are native issues of the "Original/Official" ROM or Leo's V5.
Does it sound too idiotic and naive? Maybe. But at least I can claim that I have not seen such thorough comparison between these two specific ROMs anywhere in the forum. Of course, the wise redbandana (God bless him) usually brings us news of (and introduces to us) new Original/Official Kaiser ROMs in separate threads. But what I mean is thorough comparison between these two specific Original/Official and Cooked ROMs.
Cheers

i see your knoweldge and believe that you are on to something, i don't remember what ROM i was on cause i have flashed almost all of them, but when i went to the official of the same build a lot of the same errors were being seen. most times as long as the chef knows of these problems in the official rom they try to cook the fixes into their version but it is not easy to see every bug in a rom by yourself.

tubaking182 said:
i see your knoweldge and believe that you are on to something, i don't remember what ROM i was on cause i have flashed almost all of them, but when i went to the official of the same build a lot of the same errors were being seen. most times as long as the chef knows of these problems in the official rom they try to cook the fixes into their version but it is not easy to see every bug in a rom by yourself.
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the fact is , up in the heaven , all mods/chefs/very_senior_members know all about these things. My point was to open up a window for us mortals down here to have a clearer idea about what we see in (and pass judgements on) cooked roms.
The undeniable truth is that each chef cooks his rom on a specific original version/build and a clearer knowledge of the original built in each case (and a comparison between the two) allows us mortals to have a better understanding of what the chef has actually done in his rom.
As a very minor and silly example, while in L29 V5 Diamond I am struggling to to see why the "disconnect" button in GPRS connectivity bubble is missing, it would be helpful to know whether this is the "default" option of the original built or is it Leo's - and if it is Leo's, what are the merits/faults of his choice.
You may ask why I don't do such thorough survey myself ? Well, to be honest, I would really die to have such extensive knowledge and expertise. But the fact is, some people are savvys and gurus and some are not. It takes me a lifetime to be as knowledgeable as Dutty or Leo or Alex ...etc. I just hope that in here each of us can bring just a little piece of his/her info to share with others on the subject of this comparison.

Well, I've been using HTC original ROMs for a long time, so here's my report:
Original HTC WM 6.0:
- Great radio (1.27.12.17), GPS fix fast, good battery life
- Skype works
- Cleartype works OK on landscape
- No missing G icon or disconnect button when you click the connection icon
- Feels fast enough (a lot of RAM free)
Original HTC WM 6.1 released on may
- Less than 60 MB RAM available on boot
- Bad radio (1.65.16.25), problems connecting to WiFi with WEP enabled, slow GPS fix
- Skype does not work
- Cleartype does not work correctly on landscape
- Does not feel faster, needs new SPL to avoid random freezes
- No missing icons / apps
Original HTC 3.02
- My favourite unless Nothrills comes up with something better
- Excelent radio (1.58.26.20), best GPS and WiFi
- Skype does not work
- Landscape mode works OK
- Camera can be easily patched or updated to 5.04
All of them come with Office and Onenote, Windows Live, and usual utilities
All of them can be tweaked with KaiserTweak or AdvancedConfig and you get a pretty much fast and estable ROM that just works.
No screen redraw problems, no blank screens, no missing buttons, no missing apps...

vcespon said:
Well, I've been using HTC original ROMs for a long time, so here's my report:
Original HTC WM 6.1 released on may
- Less than 60 MB RAM available on boot
- Bad radio (1.65.16.25), problems connecting to WiFi with WEP enabled, slow GPS fix
- Skype does not work
- Cleartype does not work correctly on landscape
- Does not feel faster, needs new SPL to avoid random freezes
- No missing icons / apps
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It's amazing that while reading your report on Original HTC WM6.1 , I suddenly felt as if I was reading the threads of some of the new cooked kasier roms! Everything you said (and a lot not mentioned here) are exactly the same problems reported in those threads over and over again.
So next time when one reports in , for example, Dutty's new rom thread that : "Skype is not working" , or "the cleartype in landscape bug" he should know that these are exactly the same issues in the original 6.1 and has nothign to do with Dutty's rom.

I agree with you so much. Amazingly to Cook a rom is a few files added here, a few files deleted. Put in what you want, make a few tweaks to the registry and Whaaa Laaa.
AMazingly, WM6.1 has a lot of bugs. Probably not what Microsoft expected when they developed the software. The landscape issues I try to tell everyone over and over it has nothing to do with what the Cook did, its a WM6.1 problem.
I do not use skype but I am assuming the same thing. I think in this thread, we should add the most common problems that we have so we can start looking into them more deeply.

Obviously the cooks inherit the bugs of the ROMs they use as base.
HTC finally released an official WM 6.1 ROM for the Kaiser, with "improved graphics" but at a cost.
- Bad radio. 1.65 radios are not better than 1.27 or 1.58. Ask anyone about GPS fix or battery.
- They changed a display routine so it's faster, but they screwed cleartype on landscape mode, that was working on previous HTC ROMs
- A lot less memory available, and I do not see a big speed increase in return
- The ROM feels heavier than previous one, the screen switches in one move, but the total time to do the switch is longer than previous ROMs
- Skype does not work, it was working on WM 6.0
Some of these bugs have been corrected by cooks when adding files from other builds. HyperDragon III works OK on landscape, ROMs from L26 and Dutty work with Skype... But they introduce other bugs like the missing G icon, or disconnect button.
I hope they interchange their findings so we finally have a ROM where everything works. I don't care if it gets 1432 or 1512 points on some benchmark, if HSDPA does not work, or the device soft-resets while playing MP3, then I'm not going to use that.

Reading all of this makes me wanna downgrade to 6.0. Until we have a working Android, that is...

Just wanna share with you as I am using an official ROM for a long time now.
Original ROMs are the best as they have every thing working. Yes everything, sometimes a minor bugs are annoying like I was unable to send a vcard as sms using one of the super ROMs.
I think the only point is tweaking. If we tweak the original ROM they will perform as good as the cooked one.
As much as the chefs change in ROM as much as we get bugs. My opinion is chefs should concentrate on main issues and always release lite versions leaving options for users.
I have to admit that I have learnt a lot from cooked ROMs which helped me to tune the original ROM to my best.

msharaf said:
Just wanna share with you as I am using an official ROM for a long time now.
Original ROMs are the best as they have every thing working. Yes everything, sometimes a minor bugs are annoying like I was unable to send a vcard as sms using one of the super ROMs.
I think the only point is tweaking. If we tweak the original ROM they will perform as good as the cooked one.
As much as the chefs change in ROM as much as we get bugs. My opinion is chefs should concentrate on main issues and always release lite versions leaving options for users.
I have to admit that I have learnt a lot from cooked ROMs which helped me to tune the original ROM to my best.
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Yeah, that's what I have suggested yesterday but met the offence only.
Well, different people, different opinions.

ryncppr said:
I think in this thread, we should add the most common problems that we have so we can start looking into them more deeply.
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ryncppr, apart from the need to learn more about Original roms, i also came across another strange fact that is widely ignored.
Does anyone care "what" original rom to flash before flashing his desired cooked one? I read many of the threads ; it seems that nobody does pay any attention to this matter. BUT the type of Original rom we flash before flashing the cooked one (depending on our geographical location and the make of our phones), DO CERTAINLY COUNT A LOT.
This is what I noticed and just posted on Dutty's V1 thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398271&page=90
Technically, I don't understand why this happens (perhaps you as a good chef could explain this matter in technical terms) , but I have no doubt now that it is crucially important what original rom we flash first.

Bardia Garsha said:
ryncppr, apart from the need to learn more about Original roms, i also came across another strange fact that is widely ignored.
Does anyone care "what" original rom to flash before flashing his desired cooked one? I read many of the threads ; it seems that nobody does pay any attention to this matter. BUT the type of Original rom we flash before flashing the cooked one (depending on our geographical location and the make of our phones), DO CERTAINLY COUNT A LOT.
This is what I noticed and just posted on Dutty's V1 thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398271&page=90
Technically, I don't understand why this happens (perhaps you as a good chef could explain this matter in technical terms) , but I have no doubt now that it is crucially important what original rom we flash first.
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A big problem is that people do not believe you need to hard reset after you flash a ROM. You do. THe process that WM has built in only clears the memory and storage files, leading to useless junk that gets left behind.
I used to think if I flashed a ROM it was completely getting rid of the last rom, which has found not to be the truth. Though a clearing system file is now shown on the screen, it is not truly getting rid of all the old files, hence the problems with putting ROM over ROM.

bad practice
I know it's a bad practice to have, but I very rarely hard reset my phone after a flash, and I have to admit I never flash the originals back to my phonebefore flashing. once in a great while I hit a weird glitch that I can't seem to find a solution for, and so I hard reset to fix it. I guess part of it is that i'm so impatient that I can't stand to wait a few extra minutes. I check the site anytime i'm not working and if there is a new rom available I've downloaded and flashed before looking through the bugs found. I guess i'm gonna start going to originals first and hard reset every time, now to help on that, is there a way that we know of that will automatically do the hard reset one time right after a flash? I know UC wouldn't work cause it runs after the hard reset/flash so it would loop. if we could cook the rom to auto reset once and one time only it would help out those that ocasionally "forget."
on a side note, this was typed through my phone so sorry for any spelling errors there might be and thank you ryncppr for a great rom.

tubaking182 said:
I know it's a bad practice to have, but I very rarely hard reset my phone after a flash
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The truth is you are a big boy and can handle the giltches/issues. Just take a look at hundreds of posts out there in which people complain and report about some of the most unthinkable issues (e.g. "my phone resets itself every 5 minutes" (Jesus Christ) !! or "when I push the call button my phone starts media player"!! perhaps soon we should expect posts that will read: "after disconnecting the bluetooth headset, our washing mashing stopped working" !
I know that for example Dutty is very serious on his belief on flashing original/HR/cooked/HR every single time one wants to flash a rom - and for god's sake this man really knows what he's talking about.
Sometimes very bizarre things happen when one ignores the above must-do process.
However, my main object here was to invite people to share their bits of info on what a specific original rom does (or might do) to our devices when it's flashed prior to a specific custom rom , and why.
and btw, your spellign is brilliant.

original HTC Tytn II ROM
Hello, since I`ve updates my HTC Tytn II I have too much problems with my internet connection, wifi, gps,...so I would like to upgrade to the previous Version WM 6.0 Prof. (original, german).
Have someone a linke where I could find original (geman) ROMs?
Thanks for your help,
Lou

loubega said:
Hello, since I`ve updates my HTC Tytn II I have too much problems with my internet connection, wifi, gps,...so I would like to upgrade to the previous Version WM 6.0 Prof. (original, german).
Have someone a linke where I could find original (geman) ROMs?
Thanks for your help,
Lou
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I'm afraid your post has nothing to do with this thread - just wonder why u posted this here !
anyway, you can find the original/official kaiser roms here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs

HTC & AT&T do different things
Ok, in oder to see the effects of different original/official roms we flash before the custom rom, i did the following and noticed an obvious difference:
1) flashed AT&T offiical WM6.1 CE 3.14.502.1 (built 19209) and then L26 V5
- flashed the same official AT&T and then Dutty's Diamond V1
in both cases, both L26 and Dutty's roms were not functioning optimal on my device. had to deal with many issues (from BT to GPRS to connectivity ...etc. as well as general responsiveness of the device)
2) flashed HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0 and then L26 V5
- flashed the same original HTC and then Dutty's Diamond V1
in both cases , both L26 and Dutty's roms were functioning a lot better on the device. almost %90 of the previous issues were gone.
in both 1) & 2) I used radio 1.65.16.25 and observed strictly the same procedure (usb flashing, same HR, no SD card inserted, no 3rd party app installed ...etc.)
what's going on? i'm now more confident that the type/version of the original or official rom we flash prior to the custom rom affects the custom rom and its behavior on our devices hugely.
this is still widely igonored by the chefs as i've never heard them on their threads mentioning/suggesting what original/offiical rom should be flashed prior to flashing their cooked roms.

I think alot of what you are trying to accomplish here was discussed previously. I have always been a proponent of trying to use Original ROMs in order to better understand what is "original" vs what is cooked and doing all tweaks by myself:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389519

Just stumble upon this. I think this one is quite insightful. But yet we have only Cooked ROM threads, reviews, and comments. Not on Stock ROM... once a while though *wonder why.. LoL*
Maybe we should encourage people who use stock ROM to start a thread for their own stock ROM version and make some reviews among the users? Not so good idea, but not so bad either.
I mean this thread is not only to know what work in 6.1 and what doesn't, right?
And for the current moment maybe we could have common concensus for responding to 'bizarre problems after flashing ROM xx.. bla.. bla bla' with : reflash stock rom -> hard reset -> reflash cooked rom -> hard reset -> still have problems?

Just stumble upon this. I think this one is quite insightful. But yet we have only Cooked ROM threads, reviews, and comments. Not on Stock ROM... once a while though *wonder why.. LoL*
Maybe we should encourage people who use stock ROM to start a thread for their own stock ROM version and make some reviews among the users? Not so good idea, but not so bad either.
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Schizo, im gonna do it in few days! I'm working on cooked first. But i have in plans to test Stock ROMs...