I've ready many posts stating that the Android system does a good job managing RAM.. Over the past couple of weeks.. once every 2 days or so.. my phone starts bogging down something fierce.. almost locked up. I run advanced task manager and my available ram is around 20-25. I kill a few apps, and the phone works fine for a bit. Eventually, I just reboot it.
From my experience, it's not doing such a great job managing ram on its own.. If the phone is crawling to a stand still.. you would think the OS would manage it.. it's not.
I don't get it..
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I've ready many posts stating that the Android system does a good job managing RAM.. Over the past couple of weeks.. once every 2 days or so.. my phone starts bogging down something fierce.. almost locked up. I run advanced task manager and my available ram is around 20-25. I kill a few apps, and the phone works fine for a bit. Eventually, I just reboot it.
From my experience, it's not doing such a great job managing ram on its own.. If the phone is crawling to a stand still.. you would think the OS would manage it.. it's not.
I don't get it..
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Uninstall advanced task killer. Problem solved
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haha, then I have to reboot when it slows down.. I just downloaded autostarts.. just shut down a crap load of items from starting up.. I think that will do.
Linux (and android) have the mentality "unused ram is wasted ram" so having lots of free ram is only good if launching memory intensive apps/programs.
tahahawa said:
Linux (and android) have the mentality "unused ram is wasted ram" so having lots of free ram is only good if launching memory intensive apps/programs.
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The problem being, as soon as I drop to around 30-50 available.. the phone is extremely sluggish. I wait, wait, wait for the OS to shut down some apps, it never does. It just gets worse to where the phone is not usable. So a reboot or closing apps has to take place. It's not managing the ram at all..
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The problem being, as soon as I drop to around 30-50 available.. the phone is extremely sluggish. I wait, wait, wait for the OS to shut down some apps, it never does. It just gets worse to where the phone is not usable. So a reboot or closing apps has to take place. It's not managing the ram at all..
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Sorry to hear that your phone is buggy but task killers are a nuisance. You kill them visually but they sprung up in a few secs or mins hence taking the freed space you just created.
Next time when your phone is lagging so much, go to manage applications > running applications and check what is using your Ram so much. Most of the time, rogue apps come into RAM and due to lack of a good ram management in those apps, they tend to stay there hence eating away your ram.
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Sorry to hear that your phone is buggy but task killers are a nuisance. You kill them visually but they sprung up in a few secs or mins hence taking the freed space you just created.
Next time when your phone is lagging so much, go to manage applications > running applications and check what is using your Ram so much. Most of the time, rogue apps come into RAM and due to lack of a good ram management in those apps, they tend to stay there hence eating away your ram.
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Thanks.. I'm not using the task killer to kill any apps.. you're right, they pop right back up. I found if I long press, I can do it through the system, which keeps it closed.
Autostarts seems to be working very well.. None of the typical apps are starting up.. but 2 are annoying me.. they start up every time.. Google Drive and Gallery
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Thanks.. I'm not using the task killer to kill any apps.. you're right, they pop right back up. I found if I long press, I can do it through the system, which keeps it closed.
Autostarts seems to be working very well.. None of the typical apps are starting up.. but 2 are annoying me.. they start up every time.. Google Drive and Gallery
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I always uninstall/freeze my gallery because it's known to eat ram.
Try turning off Google Drive in accounts sync and try using QuickPic instead of gallery
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schmit said:
I've ready many posts stating that the Android system does a good job managing RAM.. Over the past couple of weeks.. once every 2 days or so.. my phone starts bogging down something fierce.. almost locked up. I run advanced task manager and my available ram is around 20-25. I kill a few apps, and the phone works fine for a bit. Eventually, I just reboot it.
From my experience, it's not doing such a great job managing ram on its own.. If the phone is crawling to a stand still.. you would think the OS would manage it.. it's not.
I don't get it..
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I understand your frustrating. Living and working in a windows world. I was uncomfortable with removing my task master of choice. Android works better now. If you have questions please pm me.
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Android will try to do its job when cleaning RAM, but if a lot of badly written apps are running and all hogging resources, Android itself will still try to respect those wishes. Apps have priorities when they need to be killed, but if all apps say they're number 1 in priority, then there's no room to negotiate.
The best solution is to find and uninstall the rogue applications. Period.
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Well if its happening recently, uninstall your most recent apps. Also Google voice gives me problems, try uninstalling that
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zoppp said:
Well if its happening recently, uninstall your most recent apps. Also Google voice gives me problems, try uninstalling that
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Uninstalling most recently installed apps is a good start. I use Google Voice all the time without problems and any extra battery drains. It's a memory hog (35+ MB sometimes, with a Google Update service being redundant since there's the Play Market already).
Supercharger v6
If your rooted, try using the supercharger v6 script.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16635544#post16635544
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If your rooted, try using the supercharger v6 script.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16635544#post16635544
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I think running clean apps and having good oom settings key to a good running phone. The v6 supercharger is a great however running the script manager causes excessive partial wakelocks therefore draining alot of battery at idle and in comparison to the performance gain I don't feel its beneficial. Our phones have sufficient ram if used properly. However if you are running dirty apps that are constantly syncing or updating or whatever dirty things they do that is what causes "bog down"
Anyways back to my point just change your oom groupings and forget running scripts... just my opinion tho
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I find ICS on the G2X have a really hard time managing ram. I keep running out of memory. In Gingerbread, I don't get this problem.
I.R.Chevy said:
I think running clean apps and having good oom settings key to a good running phone. The v6 supercharger is a great however running the script manager causes excessive partial wakelocks therefore draining alot of battery at idle and in comparison to the performance gain I don't feel its beneficial. Our phones have sufficient ram if used properly. However if you are running dirty apps that are constantly syncing or updating or whatever dirty things they do that is what causes "bog down"
Anyways back to my point just change your oom groupings and forget running scripts... just my opinion tho
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Why would you need to have script manager running?
If you don't have init.d support, you can use it to just launch 99supercharger.sh on boot.
You don't leave SManager running in the background or anything.
Of course, if you have init.d support, it's just becomes ingrained into the OS and with zeor overhead.
nitrogen618 said:
I find ICS on the G2X have a really hard time managing ram. I keep running out of memory. In Gingerbread, I don't get this problem.
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The enforced HW-acceleration feature of ICS costs RAM, as well as the extra eye-candy. I read a recent article that speculated JellyBean will likely optimize ICS like 2.2 optimized 2.1. Hopefully they'll bring in some of Linaro's optimizations.
zeppelinrox said:
Why would you need to have script manager running?
If you don't have init.d support, you can use it to just launch 99supercharger.sh on boot.
You don't leave SManager running in the background or anything.
Of course, if you have init.d support, it's just becomes ingrained into the OS and with zeor overhead.
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So you would use script manager to setup all your presets and then remove it leaving the supercharger settings intact?
I used your scripts for a long time and found the kernelizer and bulletproof launcher/apps were sweet but I thought I needed to have a script manager to run them.
Perhaps I am ignorant as to the other shenanigans?
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What has been the best task killer for anybody. Im posting this threads cause myself have been wondering, which of all of them in the market is the best 1 for a phone. As for me i have a mytouch slide, Not rooted 2.1update1. I have been using Advance task Killer Pro, n has been wrking fine. But for some reason now my battery has been draining. So can u all plz let me know another good task killers out there. Yes ive heard is bad by killing apps, but i jst dont never understood why. So let me know what you all use thank u, n appreciate it.
I like system panel it gives a lot more info about what apps are missing behaving. Watchdog is real useful also.
Task killers are a bad idea, because as soon as you kill them, Android starts loading them back into memory, which wastes battery.
There's a whole bunch of levels of memory usage for apps, and task killers generally group them all together. Most of those apps being "killed" aren't actually loaded - they're cached, memory that can be dropped at a moment's notice when something else needs it. And the cached apps will start right away, since they're already in memory.
With a task killer removing those from memory, now there's lag because it has to be re-loaded, plus general lag from Android re-caching some of them.
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Task killers are a bad idea, because as soon as you kill them, Android starts loading them back into memory, which wastes battery.
There's a whole bunch of levels of memory usage for apps, and task killers generally group them all together. Most of those apps being "killed" aren't actually loaded - they're cached, memory that can be dropped at a moment's notice when something else needs it. And the cached apps will start right away, since they're already in memory.
With a task killer removing those from memory, now there's lag because it has to be re-loaded, plus general lag from Android re-caching some of them.
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He's not asking you if he should get a task killer he's asking for some names of task killers
Best and simplest is advanced task killer or ATK
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What has been the best task killer for anybody. Im posting this threads cause myself have been wondering, which of all of them in the market is the best 1 for a phone. As for me i have a mytouch slide, Not rooted 2.1update1. I have been using Advance task Killer Pro, n has been wrking fine. But for some reason now my battery has been draining. So can u all plz let me know another good task killers out there. Yes ive heard is bad by killing apps, but i jst dont never understood why. So let me know what you all use thank u, n appreciate it.
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I Use Adv. Task Killer, Also I Never Really Have A Issue With The Battery, But If You Notice Sometimes, After Killing A App, It Comes Right Back.... At That Point, If You Have The Adv. Task Killer Version I'm Using (V1.0.0 Build1) You Will Also Have A Service Button, Where You Can Go To The App That Keeps Restarting, & Touch It To Force It Closed, After That Your Battery Life Should Be Great!!
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I Use Adv. Task Killer, Also I Never Really Have A Issue With The Battery, But If You Notice Sometimes, After Killing A App, It Comes Right Back.... At That Point, If You Have The Adv. Task Killer Version I'm Using (V1.0.0 Build1) You Will Also Have A Service Button, Where You Can Go To The App That Keeps Restarting, & Touch It To Force It Closed, After That Your Battery Life Should Be Great!!
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But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
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But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
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And this is why I had my previous post. torvick12 said he never understood why it's bad to kill apps, so I gave him a reason - and here's another person saying basically the same thing, just, without the why Android does what it does.
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But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
It Boots Back Up Sometimes, But Instead Of Long-Pressing On Whichever App It Is Restarting, Press The Service Button (In Adv.Task Killer App) That Should Shut It Down Once (Twice The Most) For Good!!
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i prefer autokiller. if root then the preset work like charm. if not then need manual killing the task at process tab.
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
keatlck said:
i prefer autokiller. if root then the preset work like charm. if not then need manual killing the task at process tab.
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I Used Autokiller
I Also Have Autokiller Installed, But More Or Less Only Use The Presets, Mainly Cause I'm Not Sure What The Settings Are Spose Tah Get Set Too.
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moharu said:
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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They aren't "running". They are loaded in memory for quick access to them. If something else needs that memory, the os will unload something from memory itself.
moharu said:
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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You don't need to. Period.
Advanced Task Killer does the job for me.
http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
Taskkillers are for new android users coming from Windows. Lol.
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task killer pro is what i use to use back on ver 2.1 and 2.0.1 but if you ever get onto froyo or Gingerbread it's best not to even use a task killer at all.
moharu said:
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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If you're really interested, you can read lengthy technical writeups on how Android manages its apps.
If not, then you need to accept the fact that those apps are cached in memory and are not actively processing or using battery and there is no reason to kill them (unless they are acting up, in which case, I believe Eclair, but at least Froyo, and up have a built in task killing feature). That memory will be cleared when another app takes priority.
Think about this: your automated task killer is showing you only have 5% free memory! You kill those apps and you now have 95% free. WHAT GOOD IS THAT MEMORY IF IT'S NOT BEING USED ANYWAY? I reiterate, the memory would have been cleared regardless when another app took priority.
the android os. plain and simple
Does transformer need to install any task killer? My transformer runs a little bit laggy after openingtoo many apps behind.
You may get a bunch of different answers/opinions on this. The short answer is no. Android handles memory as it needs it by closing apps as needed. There have been a lot of post on task killers and how they can interfere with the way Android should run. There are also people that use them and have good results. I don't use one and have a few android devices and they all work fine regarding memory.
I use Advanced Task Killer (ATK) myself and only the widget. That one stops all the current apps. I seldom use this function as Android seems to be pretty capable of handling the memory by itself. Only in rare occasions the TF slows down or lags a little, I use it.
Probably you want to try active apps. I dont know if it's working with honey comb but it does quite well identifying what applications are running and cpu usage. Probably it will help.
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How about minfreemanager? I kind of like that, it seems to be a good compromise between ATK and letting android handle the memory.
Of course, this also depends on the user, always press back instead of homescreen to close the app.
I've not needed a task killer at all yet. Once everyother day I restart it just to be safe, but I have been attributing it to honeycomb "beta" problems and/or the fact that it's not complete yet.
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ELTinos said:
I use Advanced Task Killer (ATK) myself and only the widget. That one stops all the current apps. I seldom use this function as Android seems to be pretty capable of handling the memory by itself. Only in rare occasions the TF slows down or lags a little, I use it.
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I am also using ATF and wondering why some programs will not kill off even tho i select it to kill. Like logmein, i select it and kill it, a minute later it shows up again ??? Does AFk even work? I noticed that after killing off some apps i see it frees up more memory, but couple of minutes later the same apps will start again....
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I am also using ATF and wondering why some programs will not kill off even tho i select it to kill. Like logmein, i select it and kill it, a minute later it shows up again ??? Does AFk even work? I noticed that after killing off some apps i see it frees up more memory, but couple of minutes later the same apps will start again....
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it's because since Froyo, the most a task killer can do is to restart the app / release it from memory. What it means is .. if your program runs a service/ Thread, the program will not be killed but merely restarting the app. That's y some apps that get restarted will show up again. The only way to kill is either you get a super user to do the kill from command shell 'kill -9 PID' or
go to the settings -> Applications and click on stop.
Hope this helps.
Also using task killer is not a good idea. It might drain battery if you use it regularly. if you asked me why? because when you restart the app/ kill the app, the program will load (this actually consuming CPU hence battery) again.
And if you asked again why did google keep those in memory?
it's because it's designed so that when you want to open up again it's faster..
Here is a link that might be helpful.
http://androinica.com/2010/05/googl...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
I use atk, but like others I only use the widget. It's mostly a compulsive thing; I like to hit it twice and see my available memory shoot up 200 megs. I'm sure HC can handle it but I could swear it reduces lag in some instances; as if some apps or HC interfaces are scaleable to remaining available memory. Probably my imagination, but it hasn't hurt me yet.
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Hi,
I am running CM6.3 and I am reasonably happy abou this ROM.
However, I noticed that I usually have never more than 30-40MB of free RAM.
I have tried using Autokiller Memory Optimizer set to "Strict", but I am going nowhere.
Gapps (8.5MB) and location (6MB) keep poping up, standard Dialer (11MB) is also always up, Gmail (3.3MB) service is constantly up, so is lousy Skype (3.3MB) that I almost never use but would like to have on my phone.
Besides that, I have swiftkey (11MB) services running in parallel...
Any help ?
i try to kill stuff that i dont need like gmail, skype etc. since you dont use skype often maybe you should just kill the process and open it only when you need it. but if the phone runs smoothly, why bother?
oh theres also another solution to the ram managing that is the V6 Supercharger. i have it running on my phone and dont use any other memory freeing/managing apps such as autokiller memory optimizer or advanced task killer.
heres the link to the thread for xt720 i created http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1228224
sometimes the amount of free ram doesnt matter. what matters is the smoothness lol
Just to say that all the above-mentioned services restart automatically after I killed them !
ktylife said:
Just to say that all the above-mentioned services restart automatically after I killed them !
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That seems to be normal. Like mentioned above, try V6 Supercharger. I actually have less free ram now (about 15-20mb), but the device runs like a charm. Try Agressive 1 or 2, and REMOVE ALL OTHER taskkillers, memfreeers etc.
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Wow 10 to 20 memory free that really sucks .
I use estask manager don't like super charge at all.
I running cm7 iceandfire 3.1 I have removed uneeded system apps and I have went to minimod open recovery.
In the memory settings I got it set at gaming it boots start 60+ and up to 90 program memory.
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There's a over-time-memory-leak in 6.3. Just restart and for the first day or so its up to about 60 on average, then it slowly goes down to 40/39.
V6 supercharger (Agressive 2 settings) did the trick ! That is, the phone is much smoother... and yes, free memory is not that high, but I don't care; what matters is that it is very snappy and responsive now !
Thanksm,
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Wow 10 to 20 memory free that really sucks .
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Well, not really, free ram is a waste of ram And as with supercharger, it is way more smooth and responsive as with 60-90 megs of ram...
I know that quote, read it somewhere ;-)
And yes, I think since I installed supercharger multi-tasking, it does what the option is entitled. Sometimes free RAM is about 30-40 but who cares,cause it is running really smoothly. Did try the aggressive ones as well but always got back to option 7
MilestoneXT720 - CM 6.3.0 RC3 [FroYo - 2.2.1]
the trick is simple, you don't really need any of those memory killers
if you keep less Widgets in the Launcher
and avoid installing any apps that leaves Resident Memory (services) running
there are a few good games, that i hate, because they leave those damn Resident Memory hog advertising bots in your phone
all they do is constantly check their servers and send you ads, news flash, etc, related to the game.
even when you cancel it or block the adds, the service is still running.
How about using swap mode?last time i try boot5 but it cant run all the game then i try boot2 now i can play samurai vengeance..but this is my amateur opinion..im just a user..
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Hey everyone...
I'm running a cappy with CM nightly #104. I upgraded 2 days ago and everything was running well.
I installed Autokill memory optimizer to help keep things running smoothly. I set it to the aggressive preset and it worked fine for a day.
Today - out of the blue - nearly everything on my phone started 'force closing' email, gapps, apps when opeend, etc. Even autokill force closed after only being open for a second or two.
I uninstalled autokill and things seem to have returned to normal.
Did I miss something? I found a website that's a kind of guide for autokill. I like the program and think it should make things run more smoothly... but this was very strange.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
UPDATE: It started again with a few apps constantly closing (gapps, email). This time I uninstalled autorun manager and things went back to normal.
We'll see how it goes since I don't know of anything specific I did that would make that sort of thing happen.
Again, any advice greatly appreciated!
theyurtingyeti said:
Again, any advice greatly appreciated!
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The advice is NOT to use any task kill/auto kill app. They do more harm than useful, especially in newer Android OS.
Thanks... That's kind of annoying, but makes sense.
Is there a better way to optimize memory usage? I have apps that seem to lag more on the newer OS after a min or so of usage. (EX: words with friends)
I would suggest the supercharger v6 script in android general section. Worked wonders for me. Dlev5, talon.
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Thanks, I'll check it out!
Android keeps things in ram on purpose - to optimize switching between apps. The apps are not actually running; they do not actually use any cpu cycles, they're simply memory resident so the OS doesn't have to retrieve them off the flashrom chip each time you want to load something. The alternative (removing an app from ram each time you close it) will actually force Android to retrieve it from storage each time you want to run it, meaning it'll use more cpu cycles, increase loading times, and needlessly waste battery power.
Android also keeps a pool of minimum ram free that it needs to provide a smooth desktop environment. It'll automatically kill apps and services in a set order if it needs more ram for itself or a foreground app. Those task-killer apps have been hurting Android's performance since 1.6.
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The advice is NOT to use any task kill/auto kill app. They do more harm than useful, especially in newer Android OS.
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This.
theyurtingyeti said:
This time I uninstalled autorun manager and things went back to normal.
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Autorun manager is something I can't live without. You do have to be careful with it though.
Only use advanced mode. Basic mode is essentially a task killer.
Anti depressant perhaps?
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Anti depressant perhaps?
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Haha.... it feels like that sometimes.
Thanks to everyone for the responses. I've got some ideas of stuff to learn more about and at least I know how to reverse any damage I do
I like autostarts. Just be careful and you need to root first.
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I use a task killer so im curious why some people say not to use them. What are your opinions?
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I personally use them and havent come across suggestions not to, as long as u know what you are "killing" and its not a system process , it should be ok and yes it does free up RAM
I dont use any task killer and Im happy
I personaly would have a task killer one that kills all when idle. and frees up ram due to the fact i like to do cpu hungry tasks often
Ystrem said:
I dont use any task killer and Im happy
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Same here, kill the task, and then feed the task killer the battery power saved.
I have tried them and found most of them didn't help much.
cnavi said:
Same here, kill the task, and then feed the task killer the battery power saved.
I have tried them and found most of them didn't help much.
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Same here.
I don't use any of them.I used before but i don't saw too much help.Just task killer use cpu more and load ram.I use now just a shortcut of standard runing services default from android.
Don't use task Killers. Android has its own built in task manager Which works far better than 3rd party task killers. All you doing is making android reload everything again. Then you wonder why this app doesn't update in the background or work properly it is your fault. Your killing off the processes. Ram is essentially useless in android if it's not being used.
If you have lets say most phones have 512-1gig of ram. Your phone will never say you have 512 ram full please free up ram. It gets to a certain memory limit like depending on what it was set to and then end the processes automatically by itself. If there are many processes running android will start swapping out processes to replace for the new one. When your playing a game and say oh i want to browse the web to check on some game codes or whatever you can go right back to the game.
What if you want to listen to your own music as well. You can then go right back to the game in the exact spot left off. But if you go I'm kill the game process off you won't be able to do that. Don't press that Clear ram in that task manager you have either. All process will be killed including google services. Which will be reloaded again as well as system processes. Everytime android needs to reload its using more power meaning worst battery life.
The only time you should use a task manager is when there is a rogue application or a memory leak.
Watchdog
I don't use a Task Killer, but I do like Watchdog. It's more of a system monitor and lets me know if any background apps jump over a particular CPU usage threshold.
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There is a free, Lite version if you want to give it a try. Amazon had the pay version as their free app o' the day a while back, and I jumped on it.
market.android.com/details?id=com.zomut.watchdoglite&hl=en
I use to use taskkiller but my phone seems to run the same with or without, so I got rid of it.
exileinoblivion7 said:
I use a task killer so im curious why some people say not to use them. What are your opinions?
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i dont like task killers, if your really desperate for ram and use android, i recommend using the v6 supercharger script made by zeppelinrox. ofcourse the thread can be found here in xda. Iwouldnt recommend task killers for several reasons:
1 they take some ram space themselves
2 they use some cpu thus making ur phone slower
3 they use some cpu thus draining your battery faster
4 they make your boot time on your phone longer because they are being loaded whereas scripts dont have that issue
5 i havent actually seen any propper task manager that has like autokill option and woks properly so you constantly have to press the end tasks button (like on system panel for example) and thats quite boring if your doing it all the time... scripts dont have that issue
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Don't use task Killers. Android has its own built in task manager Which works far better than 3rd party task killers. All you doing is making android reload everything again. Then you wonder why this app doesn't update in the background or work properly it is your fault. Your killing off the processes. Ram is essentially useless in android if it's not being used.
If you have lets say most phones have 512-1gig of ram. Your phone will never say you have 512 ram full please free up ram. It gets to a certain memory limit like depending on what it was set to and then end the processes automatically by itself. If there are many processes running android will start swapping out processes to replace for the new one. When your playing a game and say oh i want to browse the web to check on some game codes or whatever you can go right back to the game.
The only time you should use a task manager is when there is a rogue application or a memory leak.
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Great job explaining this man, I've been aware that killing apps just makes them restart. I really only kill apps if they are acting a fool.
And to clear things up I don't have a task killer installed, however I do use the one built into the go launcher app drawer to kill apps that go nuts.
I have used the v6 script before, however I recently downloaded Rom toolbox and it let's you adjust minfrees from there. You guys should check it out
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I don't use a task killer. My phone burns less than 1% of battery per hour when idle.
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exileinoblivion7 said:
I have used the v6 script before, however I recently downloaded Rom toolbox and it let's you adjust minfrees from there. You guys should check it out
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i have a low end phone, as i ran out of cash after buying myself headphones and an itouch, so i couldnt get the phone of my dreams and had to settle for a really cheap samsung galaxy 3 so i dont have a very wide choice of minfrees i can choose from... i got like 256 ram or something, and i dont use swap because i hate partitioning my sdcard...
im so definitly changing my phone in 2012, im either waiting for the nozumi to come out (huge sony ericsson fan ^_^) or im settling for the HTC gigabeats
Task killers are good when you see a rogue app that is draining a ton of your battery life but aren't good when you use the "Kill All" button. As long as their are poorly developed applications, there will be a use for task killers.
some people will tell you not to use task killers because it inhbits Android's normal functioning by interfering with RAm use, causes things to go wrong, running apps don't use battery, blah blah blah. but there are a few problems with these claims.
First, Android's RAM management is not flawless. no Operating system is. fanboys keep claiming it is yet offer no support for whether a 3rd party task killer is better or worse. in fact, they were all claiming this when Froyo was the latest. but then when Gingerbread came out, one of its new features was better RAM management, which fanboys around the internet praised it for, which means there had, in fact, been room for improvement, which they had been denying for quite some time.
second. there are around 500,000 apps on the market. some are flawed, causing RAM leaks and various other malfunctions that ANdroid can't always handle. a task killer is your best, and sometimes only option in this situation, as you might not reasonably have the option of deleting the app permanently.
third, battery life. it may be true that apps simply being running in the background alone doesn't use battery; I'm not sure. yet what fanboys routinely ignore is, many of these apps don't just sit there waiting to be turned on again. some of them turn on so as to collect user data about all sorts of things, then broadcast it to the developer for various uses. this broadcasting uses your phone's radio even when in the background, and that DOES use electricity - from your battery, not to mention data if you have a limited plan. a very large amount of apps do this, which is one major reason why ICS now includes a data management menu that monitors all apps' data usage, as well as a built in app freezer that stops apps from running until you allow them to again.
I use the one that comes stock, and alathough it frees up ram I dont notice any difference in battery drain (1% per hour) or any difference in performance
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some people will tell you not to use task killers because it inhbits Android's normal functioning by interfering with RAm use, causes things to go wrong, running apps don't use battery, blah blah blah. but there are a few problems with these claims.
First, Android's RAM management is not flawless. no Operating system is. fanboys keep claiming it is yet offer no support for whether a 3rd party task killer is better or worse. in fact, they were all claiming this when Froyo was the latest. but then when Gingerbread came out, one of its new features was better RAM management, which fanboys around the internet praised it for, which means there had, in fact, been room for improvement, which they had been denying for quite some time.
second. there are around 500,000 apps on the market. some are flawed, causing RAM leaks and various other malfunctions that ANdroid can't always handle. a task killer is your best, and sometimes only option in this situation, as you might not reasonably have the option of deleting the app permanently.
third, battery life. it may be true that apps simply being running in the background alone doesn't use battery; I'm not sure. yet what fanboys routinely ignore is, many of these apps don't just sit there waiting to be turned on again. some of them turn on so as to collect user data about all sorts of things, then broadcast it to the developer for various uses. this broadcasting uses your phone's radio even when in the background, and that DOES use electricity - from your battery, not to mention data if you have a limited plan. a very large amount of apps do this, which is one major reason why ICS now includes a data management menu that monitors all apps' data usage, as well as a built in app freezer that stops apps from running until you allow them to again.
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Could you please explain what third party task killers do that the Android system manager doesnt do natively?
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Could you please explain what third party task killers do that the Android system manager doesnt do natively?
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From my personal experience it doesn't kill some rogue apps that drain my phone's battery life. Occasionally I use the app "GPS Status" to help find my location faster and if I don't immediately kill the app after my location is locked, the app shoots up to 30-40% on Battery Status.
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Could you please explain what third party task killers do that the Android system manager doesnt do natively?
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work responsively, to start with. every time i've tried to open the application manager on android, I first have to go through all the sub menus to get to it, then sit and wait for it to slooooooooooowly load up the list on installed apps, then running apps, then click on the app, then wait for it to load that particular app's info, THEN I can force close it.
two, they often catch apps running that the default manager doesn't notice, I presume because their developers code them to be hidden somehow.
so yeah, they're occasionally a valid option to use.
I'm happy with or without task killer )
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