Do You Think We'll See More 3D Phones? - General Questions and Answers

Do You Think We'll See More 3D Phones? - General Questions and Answers

I currently have a HTC EVO 3D (basically just because I got it BNIB for an amazing price on Kijiji) and at first I really hated the terrible viewing angles (this was a common criticism in reviews as well, so I kinda knew what I was getting into) because the colour became washed out far too quickly. Then I just started longing for a phone with an AMOLED display (for almost no wash-out from any angle).
However, once I turned on the 3D I was blown away at how well it works! Unfortunately the 3D viewing angles are VERY precise, but once you get one (there's 3 defined angles) it looks awesome. I'll admit I figured I wouldn't really use the 3D function much, but it certainly is growing on me and since I have a 3D TV and home theatre system (both of which I already had BEFORE I bought the EVO 3d) I can share all my 3D content with them and it works amazingly well!
So, my question to you guys, are you enjoying the only two 3D phones available right now? And do you think we'll be seeing more?

Ive played around with with the Evo 3d and watched a few movies on a 60 inch 3d TV. It does look cool but its not for me. Im sure we will see more 3d phones but it will be from less know phone manufacturers, the big boys are all about speed, specs and battery life now.

True...
Yea I have to agree, although LG is supposedly going to be releasing a successor to it's Optimus 3D. And I think the latter of what you mentioned is hopefully going to be the focus for most manufacturers, because I think most people are fairly content with the speed for now, they just want phones that last longer.
However, it terms of 3D, I think it would be really epic to see 3D projected holograms in the near future!

I wish they'd make more phones with some sturdiness feeling like the Evo 3D and stop with this skinny paper thin crap, the exception being the One S, that's just beautiful.

I Agree!
Ya! I must admit, the first time I handled my HTC EVO 3D, I was surprised at how heavy it was (I mean for a phone, obviously it's not that bed, but this is relativity), but then I took off the back cover and I could tell that there's actual metal parts and the plastic they use is at least VERY STURDY plastic.
In terms of the One S, I definitely like the Micro Arc Oxidization on the ceramic back that they use.
Anyway, on-topic I'm also surprised at how well the 3D works, for the VERY FIRST iteration of 3D implemented on phones (I think LG was first, but both of the phones came out the same year and therefore I consider them as the first wave or "iteration")!

3d phones ae FAIL!

Disagree for being a fail. It just there isn't enough 3D content.
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MiltonBx said:
Disagree for being a fail. It just there isn't enough 3D content.
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sorry but just like their names
EPIC FAIL !

I think so!
Right, I think so. There is another Glasses free 3D Mobile named ZP200 from China. I have played, feeling so so..

Well lets take a look at the facts. There are medical studies that show that spending a long time looking at 3d images can lead to things like vision, balance problems and headaches. So while there may be a few devices out here and there they will never be more then a few nor will they become main stream.

I'll Keep That Quote!
zelendel said:
they will never be more then a few nor will they become main stream.
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I think that statement may come back to bite you lol, well maybe not, but I think you'll see how wrong you are in the future! idk maybe I'm just overly optimistic but I think 3D is one of the best ways to immerse people in virtual content and so whether or not we stick with stereoscopic/auto-stereoscopic is beside the point and therefore I realize some people have issues viewing current content but as with almost all of technology, the bugs get worked out eventually (although presently I find there are almost none, the main hiderance is a lack of properly filmed 3D content).

inferno7799 said:
I think that statement may come back to bite you lol, well maybe not, but I think you'll see how wrong you are in the future! idk maybe I'm just overly optimistic but I think 3D is one of the best ways to immerse people in virtual content and so whether or not we stick with stereoscopic/auto-stereoscopic is beside the point and therefore I realize some people have issues viewing current content but as with almost all of technology, the bugs get worked out eventually (although presently I find there are almost none, the main hiderance is a lack of properly filmed 3D content).
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Until they come up with a way to fix the human mind and how it reacts to 3D content I just dont see it. We will see.

hmm i think so

3d
I think that in reality it is just a fad that will probably pass by however i personally would like to see more development there because the advance in technology is good even if it doesn't end up in the phones themselves

I really hope we do , i think they are a good idea, but only when needed to been able to turn it on and off

Ya I Most Agree...
pejadu said:
I think that in reality it is just a fad that will probably pass by however i personally would like to see more development there because the advance in technology is good even if it doesn't end up in the phones themselves
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ya, as much as I hate to say it, I think it is kind of a fad as well, especially with 4K on the horizon, people may opt for sharper pictures over the immersion (although personally I think the latter provides a MUCH better feel in terms of theatre enjoyment) but I too would love to see more advancements in the technology. It also depends on how it is marketed, because if people start really enjoying 3D then obviously we'll see more content and products in 3D. However, most people don't want 3D products unless they're actually done properly, so it's kinda a fine balance right now that can tip either way, with the help of a small, yet strong enough, push.
Also,
I really hope we do , i think they are a good idea, but only when needed to been able to turn it on and off
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I'm not sure I know what you mean....

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I'm not sure I know what you mean....
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I mean the 3d didn't need to be on art the time like 3d test messaging is pointless so being able to only have 3d on when it is needed, like not on a busy train but at home
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i think that we will see more 3d phones, but i'm not sure whether we need this technique on a phone or tablet. it's obvious, that it is only a funny gimmick!

Hopefully when the technology gets a little less... gimpy.
The way it is now, it kinda reminds me of the LG (I think) that had the built-in projector. "Think we will see more phones with projectors?"

Phone with projector plus 4d capability...imagine if that happens!

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Abandon Raphael for HD

I have been reading several topics on the forthcoming HD and it seems that most of us are very excited and anxious about the HD. Was wondering how many of us would actually dump the TP for the new HD...!!!

I personally don't see the point. The HD is basically a bigger diamond with Pro specs.
I seem to be one of the few who still prefer phones that actually fit in a pocket.
Now a Diamond with Pro specs (RAM, card slot, video out, etc) only missing the keyboard but thinner would be something to think about.

I'm very tempted to go for the Touch HD when (if!) it eventually gets released on T-Mob UK.
Fed up of waiting for them to get the Pro out of the door, plus now I'm running TF2D on my Hermes with the Diamond keyboard I'm not so sure I need a hw keyboard, especially with the bigger screen of the HD typing should be a breeze.
It's not so big as to not fit in a pocket, same size as an iPhone pretty much and noone complains about the size of that (not even Apple haters like me!). It'll be like going back to my old Blueangel! I think the thickness of the Pro makes it less pocketable than a bigger but thinner phone like the HD.

the reason i didnt get a diamond or iphone is because theres no keyboard... so no, im still on the raphael ship

Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.

programatix said:
Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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directional buttons? make use of the accelerometer! i really wish WM has games like iphone

Hmm i'm thinking the same, i currently own a Pro but i'm thinking of selling it and get a HD later. But i'm not sure atm.

I don't know if i'm convinced about the iPhone/HD big, wide & flat format.
Plus the fact that I always have the impression that the larger the screen the more susceptible to damage that screen is. I would be scared witless to put something like a HD in my pocket!!
I really would have to play with one in a store and see how good the onscreen keyboard was before I could make an informed choice.
So far my TP is doing everything I need and is a big improvement over my old Artemis that served me well for 2 years. Would changing from a TP to a HD be an improvement??? Seeing the specs are similar what "improvement" would I be getting??? If the answer is only a "nice big screen" then why would I bother bearing in mind it would probably cost a couple of hundred pounds to 'upgrade'???

Never: it's way to big, it has no keyboard and no flash(light).

Well... talkin about the flash, I dont really think that the flash on touch pro is of any use either...

I just saw someone walking by that just might be prittier than my current girlfriend....

Because I'm spoiled (and Christmas is almost here), I'm going to get the HD and keep the TP. This way, I can alternate depending on which type of mood I'm in. Just like swapping my watches.
Geez...I love my wife!

programatix said:
Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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That means the iPhone is useless for games? I've even seen NES emulators on iPhones... Come on now.

Axel2k5 said:
I don't know if i'm convinced about the iPhone/HD big, wide & flat format.
Plus the fact that I always have the impression that the larger the screen the more susceptible to damage that screen is. I would be scared witless to put something like a HD in my pocket!!
I really would have to play with one in a store and see how good the onscreen keyboard was before I could make an informed choice.
So far my TP is doing everything I need and is a big improvement over my old Artemis that served me well for 2 years. Would changing from a TP to a HD be an improvement??? Seeing the specs are similar what "improvement" would I be getting??? If the answer is only a "nice big screen" then why would I bother bearing in mind it would probably cost a couple of hundred pounds to 'upgrade'???
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5MP camera, 3.5mm headphone jack for starters.

The 5mp camera is not really a major thing to be to be honest, cause mobile cameras could never come even close to the quality of the actual point & shoot cameras, hence ppl who takes snaps with their phones can very well get away wit the 3.2mp for random moments capturing. But yes the audio jack is definately a good improvement on the HD, I always prefer to have a conventional audio connector...

akash_nu said:
The 5mp camera is not really a major thing to be to be honest, cause mobile cameras could never come even close to the quality of the actual point & shoot cameras, hence ppl who takes snaps with their phones can very well get away wit the 3.2mp for random moments capturing...
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I totally agree the camera is just a gimmick really. If you want good quality pics to keep you'll take them with a conventional digital camera with an optical zoom. Phone cameras are only good for MMS messages and snapshots to be disposed of at a later date IMHO.
As for the audio connector... why spend 200 quid to update the phone when you can get a HTC mini USB to 3.5" audio adapter on-line for £5???? Doesn't make sense to me unless you have money to burn!

I thought about it too, but my main concern is battery life. Its not great on my TP, with that screen it will be terrible on the HD. I doubt you'll get through watching a full movie!

"That means the iPhone is useless for games? I've even seen NES emulators on iPhones... Come on now."
maybe he mean useless for all those current wm games where many require more hardware buttons then any htc phones got to control various functions like tombraider don't know of any htc phone which had enough buttons for that

I wouldn't replace my TP with HD because I think it's great having a keyboard on your phone for messaging, email, even writing blogs or modifying web pages when I'm not home.

marcel808 said:
I thought about it too, but my main concern is battery life. Its not great on my TP, with that screen it will be terrible on the HD. I doubt you'll get through watching a full movie!
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Are you still running the stock ROM? Wouldnt hurt to explore a cooked flavour before you abandon it

ASUS P565 - 800Mhz, 640x480 VGA, The most powerful smartphone ever!

Hello Everyone, (sorry about the 640x480, it is 480x640)
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Important to note this is in fact a high resolution screen true VGA 480x640
"Unprecedented Clarity with High-resolution Touchscreen "
see here http://7thspace.com/headlines/297795/asus_introduces_fastest_business_pda_phone_in_the_world.html
It does have GPS: SiRF Star III with InstantFix
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428
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Forget the Glaxy7, and the Zest, here is the best, the new, improved, ultra-fast, ultra-amazing... DAADADADAAaaaaa-------
Asus P565 - 800Mhz of raw, powerthirst quenching speed http://www.picnicface.com/videos.php?videoID=12. A VGA 480x640 screen for people who prefer not to go blind, and a headphone jack for eternal happiness.
This is it, at long last, this is what I have been looking for, I am so going to order this baby. It even has a leather wrapped battery lid, it's leather, you know what that is.. class, baby, class. Also, money, probably lots of it too eheheheh.
Ok, check out all of the specs here, http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2634&l1=11&l2=55&l3=526&l4=0, now one thing that is interesting is that it has a true VGA screen, so this makes it not only the fastest XDA ever, it makes it also have the most clearest and beautifulest (not sure if that is a word.. but just go with it.. let it gooo... ) phone ever. The kicker out of all of this is that ... are ya ready... it has.... a capacitive touch screen with the Asus Glide interface, experience glide here http://event.asus.com/mobile/glide/.
On a serious note though, Asus builds it stuff absolutely rock solid, not like HTC in which all of my HTC devices have failed after a year of intensive use (replace the keyboard, replace the screen, the piece of crap litmus paper said it has water damage so they would not fix it under warranty, garbage company, will never buy another HTC device, almost bought the Diamond though, until I read the reviews).
This is it people, this is what has been missing from my life, I have been waiting for a phone from Asus that would kick ass for years, this is it, I am going to buy this, this is my powerthirst quencher http://www.picnicface.com/videos.php?videoID=37, with this phone I will win at everything forever! Now, to find where to buy it?
-Kilihari.
** These are now all the known photos of this device available ... I think **

You know, really, I'd be more interested if you sounded less fanboi-ish. I'm on my second HTC handset without issues on either, so really I just wonder what abuse you do to them - but hey, if that's your style then go nuts for Asus, I personally won't pay the premium though.
But I do wonder what that Glide UI provides that Touchflo (of either flavour) doesn't?
So far I'm seeing "Multiple time-zone clocks" and that's about it. And it's uglier (which is a matter of personal opinion of course)
Edit: Went looking a bit further and, while I've only found one "review" that's not just a spec sheet, Glide on the 552w got panned as "not as slick asTouchflo".

no GPS

only 65000-color ( no VGA ) ???? no GPS ? no keyboard as well ( got used to the wizard and kaiser ) ??? only 128MB RAM ???? ( touchpro has 288 RAM ) ...
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the link before said it doesnt has GPS, but now i can see it has .
the only thing that back me up is , only 128 MB RAM

3 IMPORTANT things:
-Size screen
-Phisical keyboard
-Support form this fantastic site!
Just my opinion
P.d. Great processor
Cheers,

I'd rather have the Glaxy7 with 3.5 inch screen and WVGA GPS etc.
But as someone else pointed out, the thing that would hold me back is that it would not be supported by this fantastic site...
Without it, I would have to work on the basis that I will probably not have an upgrade route to future releases windows mobile.
Offtopic & Probably covered a hundred times before, but why is it just HTC focused, thather that more WinMob focused ?
Zuber

GPS and Fanboy
So I like Asus products.
Anyways, there are about 1000 posts on xda-developers pertaining to the quality of HTC devices. Now, please I think you got my wrong my friend, I absolutely love HTC, I think they have some pretty cool ****, but when I buy a HTC device, I know exactly what I am getting. I am getting something that will not last 6 hours a day of intensive use for two years. I am beyond a abusive/extreme user, I absolutely beat my devices into the ground, I push hard on the keys and I drop my devices on the concrete about once every six months, and I live in Japan, the most humid place on Earth(feels like it anyways). I demand allot from these things and HTC can not deliver under those conditions. I do know the quality of Asus, they do deliver, the paint is melted directly into their plastic so you never see paint chipping off, the warranty is second to none and I have returned devices successfully even when the litmus paper had turned blue and after the warranty expires, their customer support is in my opinion, some of the best in the business. Asus in terms of robust build is absolutely second to none, I should know I was an Asus reseller, I built computers for people and sold all manner of Asus products. The only time I had serious recalls is when I deviated to other products from different motherboard suppliers and computer parts. Asus has rigorous product testing and each one of their motherboards is tested before it leaves the factory. I like Asus and Windows. So shoot me
Beyond that, the new lineup of devices from HTC have problems with the paint flaking off after a few weeks, TouchFLO is beautiful but laggy, and the GPS is laggy something like 20 meters or something (whoops missed a turn) hehehe. The only thing that turns me on to the Touch Diamond and its family of products is the beautiful WVGA screen but the new Asus has an actual VGA screen so, I will wait, and as far as the GPS goes, I got my Garmin Mobile 10 with Bluetooth GPS adapter, so it doesn't mean anything to me.
Fanboy? ME... of course I am, just like you are and the rest of the people here... I try to make my posts amusing so people laugh while reading them, that's all, sorry to have offended you.
mohen said:
only 65000-color ( no VGA ) ???? no GPS ? no keyboard as well ( got used to the wizard and kaiser ) ??? only 128MB RAM ???? ( touchpro has 288 RAM ) ...
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Please read at the very top of the screen, it is right there, it is VGA screen, in fact, this is a true VGA device here. Yes, 65000 color is VGA (I am pretty sure, cuz, damnitt that's what it says in the review, so man, don't be a hater I am just typing what I read in the review! and if i am wrong... well.. don't kill me ehhehee)
Also, the keyboard thing doesn't bother me in the least, having the same capacitive touch screen that the iPhone does, typing on the face should hopefully be a happy experience.

AFAIK Windows Mobile can only use resistive touch screens?

Its real good but the problem is will you be able to get a good support forum for ASUS like xda-developers and that too in English ? I think xda has taken the winmo and specifically the HTC phones to a new height. If you know of a forum then please let us know.

Resistive V.S. Capacitive
Sasimi said:
AFAIK Windows Mobile can only use resistive touch screens?
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No, Windows Mobile can support a capacitive touch screen, it is just the fact that many windows programs make use of on screen hand recognition software which kinda do not work so well with a capacitive touch screen http://discuss.pocketnow.com/showthread.php?threadid=23389. However, this has all changed now with the invention of the Pogo stylus for capacitive touch screens!
This phone should be the ****, checking out further references I don't know where I got the capacitive touch screen from, no where on Asus's site does it say that, I think I must have read it on some website somewhere, I will try to find it again.
parthabhatta said:
Its real good but the problem is will you be able to get a good support forum for ASUS like xda-developers and that too in English ? I think xda has taken the winmo and specifically the HTC phones to a new height. If you know of a forum then please let us know.
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XDA-developers is, in my opinion, one of a kind, there is no other development resource like this on the net, the people who set this up, my had goes off to you my friends. That is why I come on here to talk about this new phone, because the people here might care about it enough to eventually add a category for it... hopefully, but we will see, maybe the phone will suck, who know...

Asus builds it stuff absolutely rock solid, not like HTC
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exactly.
f$%^ HTC and their sad slow poo's..

Sorry, where is the proof the screen is capacitive?
Surur

It has GPS
surur said:
Sorry, where is the proof the screen is capacitive?
Surur
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I am searching damnitt , give me a minute but I did find on Asus's main website that this phone does infact support gps!
mohen said:
only 65000-color ( no VGA ) ???? no GPS ? no keyboard as well ( got used to the wizard and kaiser ) ??? only 128MB RAM ???? ( touchpro has 288 RAM ) ...
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no GPS? where did you get this from, it absolutely supports GPS, it is on the main website, look at it here!
GPS: SiRF Star III with InstantFix
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428

Kilihari I simply love your posts, you provided the greatest laugh for me today. You bash HTC then say you love it then compare its faults to ASUS than come back and say you like HTC again and back and forth and back and forth... I think you need a device made by ASUS and HTC... they can call it ASUHTCS (pronounced A-Sucks) LOL Just my .02 that someone got a little too happy about a device that many know little about which basically means it is set up to fail.
If it is too good to be true... it probably isn't

Kilihari said:
Hello Everyone, (sorry about the 640x480, it is 480x640)
** EDIT **
Important to note this is in fact a high resolution screen true VGA 480x640
"Unprecedented Clarity with High-resolution Touchscreen "
see here http://7thspace.com/headlines/297795/asus_introduces_fastest_business_pda_phone_in_the_world.html
It does have GPS: SiRF Star III with InstantFix
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428
** EDIT **
Forget the Glaxy7, and the Zest, here is the best, the new, improved, ultra-fast, ultra-amazing... DAADADADAAaaaaa-------
Asus P565 - 800Mhz of raw, powerthirst quenching speed http://www.picnicface.com/videos.php?videoID=12. A VGA 480x640 screen for people who prefer not to go blind, and a headphone jack for eternal happiness.
This is it, at long last, this is what I have been looking for, I am so going to order this baby. It even has a leather wrapped battery lid, it's leather, you know what that is.. class, baby, class. Also, money, probably lots of it too eheheheh.
Ok, check out all of the specs here, http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2634&l1=11&l2=55&l3=526&l4=0, now one thing that is interesting is that it has a true VGA screen, so this makes it not only the fastest XDA ever, it makes it also have the most clearest and beautifulest (not sure if that is a word.. but just go with it.. let it gooo... ) phone ever. The kicker out of all of this is that ... are ya ready... it has.... a capacitive touch screen with the Asus Glide interface, experience glide here http://event.asus.com/mobile/glide/.
On a serious note though, Asus builds it stuff absolutely rock solid, not like HTC in which all of my HTC devices have failed after a year of intensive use (replace the keyboard, replace the screen, the piece of crap litmus paper said it has water damage so they would not fix it under warranty, garbage company, will never buy another HTC device, almost bought the Diamond though, until I read the reviews).
This is it people, this is what has been missing from my life, I have been waiting for a phone from Asus that would kick ass for years, this is it, I am going to buy this, this is my powerthirst quencher http://www.picnicface.com/videos.php?videoID=37, with this phone I will win at everything forever! Now, to find where to buy it?
-Kilihari.
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Sorry in your original link (http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2634&l1=11&l2=55&l3=526&l4=0) it had NO GPS but later link it HAD (http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428)

d_dreamer said:
Sorry in your original link (http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2634&l1=11&l2=55&l3=526&l4=0) it had NO GPS but later link it HAD (http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428)
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Well you know... ASUS does make those quality products and sometimes the quality is so good that you get random features that pop out of nowhere LOL Just hope it doesn't disappear as fast as it appeared LOL

Being Cool.
neoobs said:
Kilihari I simply love your posts, you provided the greatest laugh for me today. You bash HTC then say you love it then compare its faults to ASUS than come back and say you like HTC again and back and forth and back and forth... I think you need a device made by ASUS and HTC... they can call it ASUHTCS (pronounced A-Sucks) LOL Just my .02 that someone got a little too happy about a device that many know little about which basically means it is set up to fail.
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No no, they could call it "Hot Tech & Asus" HTC could design it, and Asus could build it after they corrected the flaws from the ****ty design team at HTC. It could be perfect!!!! Why Hot? Think about it HT&A, Hot Ti.... ahh.. never mind.. but it would be perfect wouldn't it?
neoobs said:
If it is too good to be true... it probably isn't
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Doooooood, it's soo too good to be true that it will in fact be true. I am actually going to buy this device, unless the Glaxy7 comes out tomorrow and is better for some reason, but I like this device better I think, it is faster, more future proof and .. and .. 800Mhz.. ohhhh... I can finally listen to Slayer A2BT with my cool bluetooth headphones! http://www.motorola.com/consumers/v...nnel=b49932a609e89110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD. Ohh I am gonna be cooler than I used to be, and damnitt that was pretty cool .

Kilihari said:
Doooooood, it's soo too good to be true that it will in fact be true.
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Read this over again and find the mistake in your theory
Kilihari said:
Ohh I am gonna be cooler than I used to be, and damnitt that was pretty cool .
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If you think you are gonna be cooler just because you have this phone you probably think you will get supermodels by drinking Bud Lite. Power to ya

neoobs said:
Well you know... ASUS does make those quality products and sometimes the quality is so good that you get random features that pop out of nowhere LOL Just hope it doesn't disappear as fast as it appeared LOL
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I hope it came with GPS. I'll buy this one instead of HTC HD. Smaller screen but faster CPU. Less RAM & no extra internal memory . Support from xda-developers.com is a bonus.

Chick Magnet
neoobs said:
If you think you are gonna be cooler just because you have this phone you probably think you will get supermodels by drinking Bud Lite. Power to ya
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What... you crazy man... you don't get supermodels by drinking Bud Lite... you get super models by drinking regular Budweiser, the Lite is for little girliemen. No man... if ya haven't realized, most of what I post is a little ... how to say... expressive and... mostly hyperactively insane... ehhehehe... goes beyond the normal posts... please read my second post to understand further. Yeah, but Budweiser is way more manlier and chicks totally dig that... here in Japan. Dood, do you realize how many chicks I would get if I owned this phone, I would be a hot-Asian-chick magnet... in Japan.
-Kilihari

Throwdown: IPAD vs. Gtablet; I bought My wife an IPAD for Xmas!

Ok... I am a die hard NON apple kind of guy. My wife bought her Iphone a year ago leaving me and verizon to fend for ourselves. Then I suggested she buy a Mac book as she has been slamming windows for as long as we have been married. So, after loving angry birds on my Gtab for the past month, I thought, what a perfect gift for her (and me to compare) an IPAD would be. So I bought her one for Christmas.
I have to say, the screen really is fine. The lighter weight and the form factor is sweet too. But, to have to have an app (which they do have an app for everything many free for sure) to view most web sites in a "standard" mode such as to see video on them etc., I still can not see that. And, no add on memory and no real interface... the battle is on!
I will update you periodically as I try and see it from an Apple user perspective.

That IPS screen is very nice. Did some after Xmas shopping today and took another look at the iPad. It's the one thing that really stands out on the iPad, versus the GTab.
I know that, in time, Android tablets will catch up (Notion Ink? please don't be vaporware).

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That IPS screen is very nice. Did some after Xmas shopping today and took another look at the iPad. It's the one thing that really stands out on the iPad, versus the GTab.
I know that, in time, Android tablets will catch up (Notion Ink? please don't be vaporware).
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Hold off, since rumors of some form of USB, microsd, and additional camera functionality will not die in regard to iPad 2011 models.
I can not look at the iPad display, since I then have to reacclimate to G's dispaly. ..... ....
Man, just think of the Gtablet with at least a Galaxy Tab level display.....

Here's my guess on the iPad v2 - it will almost certainly have a camera. Makes sense for Facetime.
A USB port and / or a microSD slot would be a major shocker, so I highly doubt that would happen. It goes against the walled-garden approach that Apple loves so much.

I have been an iphone user for two years. You may heard this before but lack of flash of support equals COMPLETE FAIL as I an an avid news junkie and enjoy news clips.
Now if only Netflix and google can work out their differences and bring official support for streaming netflix to droid devices then I will be switching to droid in the spring when my phone contract is due for renewal.
PS, I have owned an apple PC and it would not run 1/5th the software that was available while the apple had software support for virtually NOTHING that I needed on the PC and couldn't get.
My brother and I had this same argument about a year ago where he was praising the superiority of the Mac, about a month later he embarrassingly admitted to me I was absolutely right about the Apple causing him to not have acess to most of the software out there.
At the time I bought my last Dell laptop I spec it out with the 2G Duo Core, a wireless N1 card, a Geforce mobile GT8600, a 7200spd hard drive and 2G of Ram. I went to the apple web site and spec' out the SAME configuration, it was over $1,000 MORE!
Same hardware, LESS software, nearly double the price.
Come on...how is that EVEN a contest? I have since upgraded that same laptop to Win 7 32b and it STILL runs like a champ (do you think that would have been the case with a macbook?)
By the way, my viewsonic (although a tad buggy at this time) was 25% cheaper than an ipad and the only real advantage I can see of the ipad was superior screen while it has weaker hardware, and I am 100% confident that the Droid 2.2 and coming honeycomb will equal or surpass the ipad in the coming year.
Gauntlet thrown, Apple failed.
I do love my iphone but I have physically thrown it after getting literally thousands of video errors with flash videos news sites not to mention the fact that the vast majority of "apps" are just dumb downed versions of web pages that I do not really care for (there are quite a few with functionaity for actual mobile use but many apps are just "internet for idiots". What I am saying here is that I am not impressed with "who has the most apps" I just need certain specific ones (which you can get from EITHER company pretty much).

I personally have a love/hate relationship with Apple.
My first laptop was a greyscale PowerBook, I've used all the older pre-10 iterations and I think OSX is an outstanding achievement. But iOS just burns me up and I can see that they are expanding this walled-garden mentality into their Mac products, as well. No standard external ports like USB, no external storage, nothing allowed on the device except through iTunes, no Flash just because Jobs is pissed off that Adobe dumped them for MS. I just hate that with a passion. And the iPad v1 is the culmination of everything I loathe about them.
But, it does have a really nice screen.

I am a veteran of the Windows/Mac Wars of the 90s and the one thing I learned is: If it does what you want and I can run what I want, then I don't care what you run. If you like Apple, if you like Win7, if you like Linux, if you like iOS, if you like Android, if you like webOS... then bully for you! I happen to like some of those myself, so whoop de do!
But tell me my platform sucks or try to spend 30min telling me WHY my platform sucks, well, I have better things to do, thanks.
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I Gave My iPad to my Wife
I gave my iPad to my wife to read her Kindle books on. I bought my gTablet on November 17th, and I have not missed my iPad. I am loving my gTablet, and it is just getting better and better with time. I am running TNT Lite 3.1.2 on mine. With flash, adhoc wi-fi support, and the full market, I am plenty happy. I am looking forward to the bright future of the gTablet.

Doing some research on video out on the IPAD. It has a selection of cables for composite, component and vga, but guess what? Only very few apps output to video such as movies, photos and not much else.
When I hooked up my HDMI to my dock today, EVERYTHING I saw on the screen was showing on the big screen.

roebeet said:
I personally have a love/hate relationship with Apple.
My first laptop was a greyscale PowerBook, I've used all the older pre-10 iterations and I think OSX is an outstanding achievement. But iOS just burns me up and I can see that they are expanding this walled-garden mentality into their Mac products, as well. No standard external ports like USB, no external storage, nothing allowed on the device except through iTunes, no Flash just because Jobs is pissed off that Adobe dumped them for MS. I just hate that with a passion. And the iPad v1 is the culmination of everything I loathe about them.
But, it does have a really nice screen.
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You are far more qualified than me to make this assessment but if you are only designing your OS to have functionality with very specific in house written end user software, I would think it would be EASY to achieve a tighter higher performaing OS.
Do the circumstances of how osx exsists in the first place not SIGNIFICANTLY diminish its level of "oustanding" as an achievement?
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I am a veteran of the Windows/Mac Wars of the 90s and the one thing I learned is: If it does what you want and I can run what I want, then I don't care what you run. If you like Apple, if you like Win7, if you like Linux, if you like iOS, if you like Android, if you like webOS... then bully for you! I happen to like some of those myself, so whoop de do!
But tell me my platform sucks or try to spend 30min telling me WHY my platform sucks, well, I have better things to do, thanks.
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Fair points. Although unfortunately for all of us here, if a thing sucks it is going to suck regardless of what any individual really thinks. Suckage is an absolute and will be unaffected by all the good will of the world. Rotten meat will not become premium meat because 1000 people love it. Unfortunately this seems to be the casse with apple. In the 80s A Team and Knight Rider were top shows, just because people were watching did not make them actually good. Just because lots of people are buying Ipads does not over come the facts of an absolute and unavoidable conclusion based on the facts (listed above about ports, camera, storage devices, flash, cost, etc etc.). Its not really about convincing or anyones opinion. Its just a fact that it sucks, kind of like how the world is round (regardless of if anyone likes said fact or not).

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Ok... I am a die hard NON apple kind of guy. My wife bought her Iphone a year ago leaving me and verizon to fend for ourselves. Then I suggested she buy a Mac book as she has been slamming windows for as long as we have been married. So, after loving angry birds on my Gtab for the past month, I thought, what a perfect gift for her (and me to compare) an IPAD would be. So I bought her one for Christmas.
I have to say, the screen really is fine. The lighter weight and the form factor is sweet too. But, to have to have an app (which they do have an app for everything many free for sure) to view most web sites in a "standard" mode such as to see video on them etc., I still can not see that. And, no add on memory and no real interface... the battle is on!
I will update you periodically as I try and see it from an Apple user perspective.
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LOL, well your credibility for providing a non-bias Apple user perspective is tainted by stating you're a "die hard NON apple kind of guy". jk. My sister in law has an Ipad and I think its just a great big Ipod touch which is actually a compliment. It's so smooth and pretty to look at. Did you download skyfire on the Ipad? I heard it was out as an app. I'm curious to see how it runs on the Ipad.
Let us know.
Thanks

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Here's my guess on the iPad v2 - it will almost certainly have a camera. Makes sense for Facetime.
A USB port and / or a microSD slot would be a major shocker, so I highly doubt that would happen. It goes against the walled-garden approach that Apple loves so much.
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I agree, a ff camera will be on the Ipad 2. You know Apple was gonna do that anyways but decided to leave it out so people will be more likely to upgrade. That's why I'm so leary when buying apple products or any product for that matter. I want it to have my minimum requirements at least for me to consider buying it.
I also agree that it will not have expandable memory which is a shame.

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I agree, a ff camera will be on the Ipad 2. You know Apple was gonna do that anyways but decided to leave it out so people will be more likely to upgrade. That's why I'm so leary when buying apple products or any product for that matter. I want it to have my minimum requirements at least for me to consider buying it.
I also agree that it will not have expandable memory which is a shame.
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I think folks will be surprised and there will either be USB function, or micro sd options (both?). The only thing holding Apple back from complete market domination are those issues and people that hate Apple. Though Apple can do nothing for the latter, they can compromise with the former.
There should be some decent "leaks" in about a month. We shall see.........

My first computer back in the late 70's was an Apple ][. That was back in the days of Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. Even back then it was clear that the Woz only really cared about the technology and Jobs only really cared about the money. I was an avid Apple defender back then but a few years later we had Apple taken over, Woz and Jobs were out and Peter Skelly was in. Skelly had been the CEO of Pepsi Cola and his knowledge of technology consisted of being able to flip the on/off switch on lights, computers and various electrical items. Eventually he had the sense to bring Jobs back in.
Here's the problem, Jobs is glorious at design and ergonomic functionality, he is also a true technophile. He designs magnificent looking machines with super friendly GUI's that people love. But, once you get past the look of his machines you find that they offer simple AND limited functionality, and that is the very reason that the great masses love Apple machines.
Because people love the look and feel of the machines they are willing to pay bloated prices for what they see as "superior" technology when really the only thing superior is the physical design and ease of use for the technically unannointed. That is GREAT business, but lousy geekiness.
You can't knock Apple's ability to design machines that sell and make piles of money and you can't knock their success. For me, the problem is that I don't want to give them my money anymore because their machines aren't "fun".
My first priority is that my techno gadgets be functional and a close second is that they must be fun. Apple doesn't fit into that nook. Even so I did buy three Mac's a couple of years ago and found that their build quality was poor and that surprised me a lot. But in business, public perception is a bigger selling point that anything else and Apple got that right, too bad they didn't get the technical end right.
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I came across this old thread while researching the GTablet. The only thing that is really holding me back from buying one is the screen. The videos I see on Youtube make the screen look really bad, especially one that has a side by side comparison of the Gtablet vs Ipad. Since the GTablet has been out for awhile now, are those who own it still happy? I need to find a B&M store that has one so I can check it out, I really wish it had an IPS screen like the iPad though. I dont get why somebody doesnt come out with a killer Android tablet that can really compete with the iPad.

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I came across this old thread while researching the GTablet. The only thing that is really holding me back from buying one is the screen. The videos I see on Youtube make the screen look really bad, especially one that has a side by side comparison of the Gtablet vs Ipad. Since the GTablet has been out for awhile now, are those who own it still happy? I need to find a B&M store that has one so I can check it out, I really wish it had an IPS screen like the iPad though. I dont get why somebody doesnt come out with a killer Android tablet that can really compete with the iPad.
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I picked the gtab because I like to customize the gtab and try different Roms. I am very happy with mine using vegan tab. Flash has been a big bonus. The screen works surprisingly well. Sure, its not perfect, but this gtab has some power and is 400 bucks less than xoom. If you like out of the box OS and don't like to tinker, then get the 16GB iPad from best buy for $399. Battery life on the gtab is awesome. I wake up at 4am and use it throughout the day and heavy use by evening. I will have several hours left on the battery when I go to bed around 9pm. Try Office depot, as many have them in stock to play with. Good luck.

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I came across this old thread while researching the GTablet. The only thing that is really holding me back from buying one is the screen. The videos I see on Youtube make the screen look really bad, especially one that has a side by side comparison of the Gtablet vs Ipad. Since the GTablet has been out for awhile now, are those who own it still happy? I need to find a B&M store that has one so I can check it out, I really wish it had an IPS screen like the iPad though. I dont get why somebody doesnt come out with a killer Android tablet that can really compete with the iPad.
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So I was having the same issues before I picked up the gtablet, and having used it for a few days, the screen isn't really that bad. I also love the more widescreen aspect of it vs the ipad allows for better media watching. But it does mean you have to dive more into the device and its setup (custom roms, etc) and if that is daunting to you then I would skip the gtablet.

No issues with geek stuff like flashing ROMs. Ive been an Android user since the G1, member here on xda since then. I currently have a SGS Vibrant, rooted with Bionix.
So, what would you compare the screen to? I have a nearby Office Depot, will try to check it out tomorrow. Is the GTablet the best thing going right now? From the specs, it seems so. One last thing, what are you using to protect it? Screen protector? Case?

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No issues with geek stuff like flashing ROMs. Ive been an Android user since the G1, member here on xda since then. I currently have a SGS Vibrant, rooted with Bionix.
So, what would you compare the screen to? I have a nearby Office Depot, will try to check it out tomorrow. Is the GTablet the best thing going right now? From the specs, it seems so. One last thing, what are you using to protect it? Screen protector? Case?
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With the newest official and unofficial VS update, you may not need to use an alternative ROM.
I would compare the screen directly to a netbook screen. It is by no means imho as horrid as some would have you think, but it's not for everyone. Some people feel you should be able to see what's on the phone/tablet screens while they sit flat on a desk and you're in a chair - while I think it's nice to be able to, I certainly don't think it's necessary to enjoy it and this is just something again, imo vendors have used to inflate the cost of these devices beyond their 'real' practical value. "why is our tablet $800 when so and so is selling one with the same internals for $300? well, have you SEEEEEN our screen? BIG difference!" yeah, you get my drift.
Spec-wise, I think it's a toss-up between the GTablet and it's siblings (interpad, hanspree tablet, malata zpad, avent vega, etc.) or the Notion Ink Adam. As you probably know, the iPad is pretty nice but it's def. lacking in terms of (imo, again) certain little details where the GTablet and other Android devices with similar specs excel and you would have to either learn to live in Apple's walled garden or do some 'techie' stuff in order to jailbreak anyway. Is it the BEST right now? I don't know - probably not. It was released in Nov. 2010, there's bound to be something with similar specs and a 'better' screen by now, if not then yeah it's probably the best VALUE for what you get as of right now.

I would have got her an ipad too.
Don't get me wrong I love my gtab, but I exhaust so much time modifying and fixing my own one. I don't mind that for myself but stuffed if I'm gonna spend my entire free time fixing someone elses tablet. Ipad can't do as much but in return I don't have to ever look at it or maintain it hence freeing up my spare time.
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Why do people complain so much about the screen?

I was near an Office Depot today and stopped in to see if they had the G Tablet on display. Sure enough there it was very close to the front of the store in an Android tablets display. I had never seen the device in person before and based on what I have been reading I was expecting to see literally the worst screen I have ever seen on a device. Imagine my surprise when I hit the power button and was presented with what was in my opinion a very nice display. Sure if I changed my viewing angle to an unnatural position it started to look worse but it's a tablet! I'm literally always going to have it directly in my line of sight. When used in this manner I thought it looked great!
I have bought and returned an iPad 2 due to terrible backlight bleeding. One thing that struck me as much better about the G Tablet screen was that it was much less pixelated than the iPad 2 screen. Web pages were sharper as was the overall interface. In my opinion the viewing angle issue has been greatly overblown.
This unit on display was running in the classic mode and even then it was quite sluggish. I'm not sure if this should be attributed to the fact that Viewsonic's ROM is simply awful or if this particular unit had an issue. Regardless I'll be rooting and installing one of the preferred ROM's on my device anyway so performance will not be an issue.
For $279 this is looking like quite a value, can't wait to receive it!

Nice to read this. I was also expecting to see a really crappy display that blacks out the second you tilt your head a fraction. Really glad to hear that this isn't the case.
Now I'm about to stand on my head to get a shipping email. Ain't gonna happen until at least Monday.
Good lord. I wasn't this anxious for Xmas when I was a kid ;->

Metal_in_Silk said:
Nice to read this. I was also expecting to see a really crappy display that blacks out the second you tilt your head a fraction. Really glad to hear that this isn't the case.
Now I'm about to stand on my head to get a shipping email. Ain't gonna happen until at least Monday.
Good lord. I wasn't this anxious for Xmas when I was a kid ;->
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You are funny but I get you nothing like the anticipation of a new tech toy. You will love gtab particularly thinking about how much you paid for such a fun device.

The screen is fine in landscape mode as you indeed will position it at a natural angle and everything will be fine. Just so I am clear, by natural, I mean you don't really position the display perfectly flat in front of your eyes, you tend to look at the screen having your eyes positioned higher than the screen (unless your the kind of person who enjoys having his arms in the air). This is when colors are the most uniform from top to bottom. if you were to raise it or lean it back too much so that you end up positioning your eyes lower than the bottom of the tablet, you get past the screen's viewing angle.
This is only problematic in portrait mode (which I seldom use). For example, if you rotate your tablet so that the top is now facing left, you then need to position the tablet to your right a little to get the same color uniformity as you need to keep both your eyes over the top of the tablet.
If they made xooms or ipads with this screen for 300$ in addition to the 600$ "perfect screen", I would chose the 300$ one as you easily get used to it.
To put it in perspective, the touchscreen is not sensitive enough on a tiny area at the top left corner of my g-tablet and I have trouble taping things there (where the home button is located on VEGAn tab and the battery icon on gAdam). Comparatively, this is by far a worst problem than the viewing angle in my mind.

I think it looks bad, when I have it laying down I can't see a thing. When I show friends something I wonder if they can see it. It's not the worst but it could be much better

(Devil's Advocate)
I've had my GTAB since November and I do love the device - it's a modder's dream since it's very difficult to fully brick. Got mine used on the cheap and I feel that the hardware itself is solid. Except the screen.
You are 100% correct that it's fine when using spot-on in landscape, but tilt it ever so slightly down and solarization begins. And, in portrait mode, even the slightest tilt will change the screen image significantly.
I didn't really notice this flaw at first. It really took me at least a week or two of using it for various things before it became noticable. Trying to play a game where you need to move the device around a lot, playing a video when it's flat on the table and you are looking at it from an angle. Or reading comics in portrait mode.
The iPad1, for all its faults (and there are many), has a fantastic IPS screen that eats the GTAB's for lunch. I have a SmartQ R10 with the same screen and that's what I use for reading comics... not the GTAB. I think the screen has been the #1 hardware issue here in XDA since the forum opened - so much so that there are several threads on trying to get a replacement screen that would fit.
Here's a post I made over at Slatedroid comparing the GTAB angles with a Xoom and an R10: http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php?/topic/15865-screen-angles/. Those pictures are very accurate.
Not trying to kill people's excitement - just understand what you're getting - it's still a GREAT bargain and a great device. But the screen angles can be a problem, depending on what you use it for.
As for the question on speed -- imo, 3389 (and even the latest 3588 release) are still a bit sluggish, as you mentioned. Several alternate ROMs out there will improve speeds significantly as they are using newer drivers that Viewsonic has yet to incorporate into a released firmware.

I should think that those of us who don't plan to watch videos or play games will be quite satisfied with it.

Thanks for the comparison pictures -- that was a great service to those of us on the fence The viewing angle issue, while noticeable, now seems tolerable to me. I'm torn between grabbing a Xoom tomorrow or ordering a G-tab from Tigerdirect tonight (kicking myself for being such a wuss and not getting it from Woot...). Aside from the screen, my biggest concern is that the G-tab will never get Honeycomb, and if it does, whether or not the lower resolution will make it incompatible with tablet apps. I love Android, but I don't want to use the tablet as an oversized phoneless phone for too long.
Decisions, decisions ...

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Here's a post I made over at Slatedroid comparing the GTAB angles with a Xoom and an R10: http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php?/topic/15865-screen-angles/. Those pictures are very accurate
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From those pictures I doesn't look that bad. Sure IPS has better viewing angles, but most people use a TFT monitor on their computer at home, and they dont complain. There is a down side to IPS and its the refresh rate that can cause ghosting. Plus think of it as a semi security feature, it will be harder for people to look over your shoulder and see what you are up to.

Google seems to be really bent out of shape with getting AOSP out for 3.0 - my guess is that Moto is really paying them them a nice sum to keep the Xoom as the ONLY HC device around.
If one Harmony based device gets HC, someone will probably manage to port it to ours. We just need that first device to get it. But that may not be for a long time. And agreed on the screen, but keep in mind that the Notion Ink Adam has the same screen so if they manage to port it, then the GTAB will likely get it.
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From those pictures I doesn't look that bad. Sure IPS has better viewing angles, but most people use a TFT monitor on their computer at home, and they dont complain. There is a down side to IPS and its the refresh rate that can cause ghosting. Plus think of it as a semi security feature, it will be harder for people to look over your shoulder and see what you are up to.
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Agreed - the bottom line it what you plan to do with the device. Spot-on landscape mode looks like just like a netbook screen, because that's exactly what's in the GTAB.

docprego said:
I was near an Office Depot today and stopped in to see if they had the G Tablet on display. Sure enough there it was very close to the front of the store in an Android tablets display. I had never seen the device in person before and based on what I have been reading I was expecting to see literally the worst screen I have ever seen on a device. Imagine my surprise when I hit the power button and was presented with what was in my opinion a very nice display. Sure if I changed my viewing angle to an unnatural position it started to look worse but it's a tablet! I'm literally always going to have it directly in my line of sight. When used in this manner I thought it looked great!
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People like to exaggerate. I don't know why, but they like to do it. It's also because this unit doesn't cost as much as, say, the ipad.
My brother, someone who always wants the newest and greatest, came over to visit today with his 2 kids. I let the kids play with the device because they were curious. My brother started criticizing it after I told him how much I paid for it. First, he criticized it for the small internal sdcard. I had to tell him that the ipad has the same amount of internal space. He then accused the battery of not lasting long enough. I had to tell him that actually it's right up there with the ipad. He then picked it up and said it was too heavy. I told him that it only weighed .22 lb more than the ipad. Not to be outdone, he claimed that .22 was too much more than his ipad. He then said it must be really really slow. I brought it over to him and showed him that it was running just as fast as his ipad. He started playing with it and then he said "aha, it doesn't have 3g."
The point is he had never seen the gtab before. Actually, he had never heard of it before. Yet, he didn't like it at all. It was obvious he was desperately looking for reasons not to like it.
I did notice that even though he was looking for every reason to criticize it he never noticed the screen being "bad". So, obviously the gtab screen isn't really that bad. People online who are bashing this device describing the screen as the worst thing ever to have existed (or something like that) are just exaggerating because they are looking for a reason to bash the device.
It's no different than a typical netbook or laptop screen. Why the bloody hell is it a life and death issue all the sudden?

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It's no different than a typical netbook or laptop screen. Why the bloody hell is it a life and death issue all the sudden?
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Because with a netbook / laptop screen, you are looking at it at the same angle 90% of the time. A tablet is a different animal - you have it flat on your desk, or in portrait mode reading a book, or moving it around if you're playing a game. It's not at the same landscape mode / angle all the time. Completely different device.
Here's a perfect example: I was playing that evil and life-draining game Angry Birds earlier today. On my Xoom tablet, I have a tendency to play it where the screen is leaning back slightly on my palm, as that's comfortable for one handed play. Screen is fine. But on the GTAB, when I play it that way the screen solarization can be seen - I have to force it to be more spot-on to my line of sight, but that's not as comfortable in my hand.
That's the difference, and why it's not really that noticeable until you really start using it day-to-day for a long period of time.

Don't get me wrong. I notice it, too. It just doesn't bother me like it supposedly bother other people. But then again, I was born in a house with a dirt floor and grew up with a 4 inch black and white tv, so I guess my standards aren't as high as yours.

Thanks for the link to the comparison roebeet. I think I can live with that. One of my (major) pet peeves is having a co-worker peer over at what I'm doing, makes me want to do a Three Stooges eyepoke. This should actually work in my favor as:
1) I won't have to outen some nosy body's eyes when I check msgs
2) Will probably save my job and/or a lawsuit one day (see #1)
Still excited and bouncing in anticipation LOL it's been ages since I've played around with mods on a device. Really looking forward to it

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Still excited and bouncing in anticipation LOL it's been ages since I've played around with mods on a device. Really looking forward to it
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Just ordered mine, in the same boat as you Tigerdirect the estimated arrive date as the 29th, but Memphis tends to get things a little quicker *fingers crossed*

goodintentions said:
Don't get me wrong. I notice it, too. It just doesn't bother me like it supposedly bother other people. But then again, I was born in a house with a dirt floor and grew up with a 4 inch black and white tv, so I guess my standards aren't as high as yours.
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In my house, my kids call me "the cheapskate". I set new lows for standards.
And at least you had a TV - I used to make dioramas with cartoon cutouts in them to make my own cartoon shows. And I liked it!

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Just ordered mine, in the same boat as you Tigerdirect the estimated arrive date as the 29th, but Memphis tends to get things a little quicker *fingers crossed*
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Lucky you! You'll be modding and playing Angry Birds while I'm still waiting on a shipment confirmation
Srsly, this is gonna be some fun. The screen doesn't suck as bad as I thought it would and playing with the various mods will be a very welcome distraction from doing ppls taxes

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In my house, my kids call me "the cheapskate". I set new lows for standards.
And at least you had a TV - I used to make diarrheas with cartoon cutouts in them to make my own cartoon shows. And I liked it!
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Now THAT was an interesting mental image

dfin13 said:
Thanks for the comparison pictures -- that was a great service to those of us on the fence The viewing angle issue, while noticeable, now seems tolerable to me. I'm torn between grabbing a Xoom tomorrow or ordering a G-tab from Tigerdirect tonight (kicking myself for being such a wuss and not getting it from Woot...). Aside from the screen, my biggest concern is that the G-tab will never get Honeycomb, and if it does, whether or not the lower resolution will make it incompatible with tablet apps. I love Android, but I don't want to use the tablet as an oversized phoneless phone for too long.
Decisions, decisions ...
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When I played with the xoom up close I noticed the bad viewing angles too. At that price unacceptable but at the price of the g tab understable they already gave you quite a lot for little money, costs had to be cut somewhere. Xoom should be top notch. I started to buy it until I saw the viewing angles and build. The SmartQ awesome. I actually need another tab for work with a different operating system but did not find the ipad engaging enough. I hate the slow rate of trickle with these tabs.
Looking at the last picture unless they were swapped the xoom looked washed out to me. SmartQ held it's own in every picture.

Metal_in_Silk said:
Now THAT was an interesting mental image
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Darn spell check screwed up. But maybe I should have left it - it was a more interesting response!
edirector said:
When I played with the xoom up close I noticed the bad viewing angles too. At that price unacceptable but at the price of the g tab understable they already gave you quite a lot for little money, costs had to be cut somewhere. Xoom should be top notch. I started to buy it until I saw the viewing angles and build. The SmartQ awesome. I actually need another tab for work with a different operating system but did not find the ipad engaging enough. I hate the slow rate of trickle with these tabs.
Looking at the last picture unless they were swapped the xoom looked washed out to me. SmartQ held it's own in every picture.
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Yeah, it's a bit washed out once the angles go past a certain point - I think it's just the nature of a TFT screen and probably can't be avoided. But slight angles (which you can't really see in those pics) are very good on the Xoom.
And x2 on the GTAB comment. At less than half price, it's still a bargain. We don't have HC either, but that's something that's potentially fixable, at least.
As for the SmartQ R10, the angles are great but it's a slow-as-molasses device (Telechips CPU with Android 2.1, only) - works fine as a cbz reader, however. What I'm still waiting for is an IPS screen paired with a Tegra 2 chipset. They are coming this year, allegedly.

ph-2 ?

We've been working on a new device to reframe your perspective on mobile. It's now in early testing with our team outside the lab. Look forward to sharing more in the near future! #ProjectGEM pic.twitter.com/BnVy7yM2Kj
https://twitter.com/essential/status/1181734328130252802

It looks cool and unique but I don't get it? Like why would I want to give up screen real estate from left to right and still have the same height? This is going to be a failure of a product for the simple reason it doesn't solve any size issues and has a smaller screen real estate.
However that ui looks promising. Essential should work on a foldable phone that turns into a watch. Just think if you could take the screen they have in those photos, wrap it around your wrist as a watch, and unfold it into a phone that looks like the photos they have...
I think there will be a day where you store your phone on your wrist not your pocket when it's not in use. The technology is almost caught up to implement that and whoever does it first correctly will be the next iPhone or Razr.

Haven't seen it. I love my PH-1, but this... thing? Looks weird, the screen format makes no sense, and the HUGE camera bump on the back is an instant turn-off. I dunno, it could be good, probably too early to tell, but so far, just looking at the prototypes... no.

Here's more from Rubin
https://mobile.twitter.com/Arubin/s...57419.ampproject.net/1910071803120/frame.html

I had the PH-1 and I loved it and I hoped that the new one would be better. But this one is just stupid... (((

The PH1 form factor is possibly the closest to perfect in recent years, IMO. Sure, there could be small improvements, but the screen height and width make it a very 'pocketable' handset--not too tall, like the Pixel2/3XL and a slew of other with only marginally more screen estate.
The PH2? It looks wrong, but perhaps isn't as tall as it seems. The main issue will be how the interface works and I can't quite conceptualise how it will manage to do a whole host of things i use on my phone, not least of which is simply reading print news media--3 words a line is likely to become irritating

kboya said:
The PH1 form factor is possibly the closest to perfect in recent years, IMO. Sure, there could be small improvements, but the screen height and width make it a very 'pocketable' handset]
Exactly! I absolutely love the PH-1 form-factor. I am not a fan of big phones, and always look for something with a reasonably small screen, but a good resolution. I am also not obsessed with bezels, and the bottom chin actually makes it more convenient for me to handle.
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Seems pretty cool! If you only stick to what's worked before, you'll probably end up with what you already had.

nijohnson said:
Seems pretty cool! If you only stick to what's worked before, you'll probably end up with what you already had.
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especially if it's foldable as I suspect ?

IronRoo said:
especially if it's foldable as I suspect ?
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Are you talking about that "remote on steroids" concept? i don't think it is... ?

kt-Froggy said:
Are you talking about that "remote on steroids" concept? i don't think it is... ?
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yes, that remote!

Been needing to say this since speculation of another Essential phone started (year+ ago?):
Even if a second phone comes out, why on Earth would they call it PH-2?!
Don't people see, PH-1 ... PH-one ... PHone ... Phone.
A PH-2 would ruin the joke.

claylong said:
Been needing to say this since speculation of another Essential phone started (year+ ago?):
Even if a second phone comes out, why on Earth would they call it PH-2?!
Don't people see, PH-1 ... PH-one ... PHone ... Phone.
A PH-2 would ruin the joke.
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Yes, but since we have no idea how this device would actually be called (IF it materializes at all), people just use that as a "placeholder" for the name....

kt-Froggy said:
Yes, but since we have no idea how this device would actually be called (IF it materializes at all), people just use that as a "placeholder" for the name....
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Yeah, fair enough!
I'm reminded of those that shorten Xbox One to xbone. I still read that as X-bone.

claylong said:
Yeah, fair enough!
I'm reminded of those that shorten Xbox One to xbone. I still read that as X-bone.
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There is a rumor that was semi intentional and I kind of believe it.
I mean YouTube channels are already pointing out Series X: Sex.
The Xbox brand is one of the worst naming schemes of all time. If you search "Xbox" online you might get a Xbox (original), 360, one, or soon the new "Xbox".
Good luck selling that to kids when the average parent won't know the difference between any of them.
The Xbox brand is what they should use in marketing courses as what NOT to do.

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