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I have wanted to adress a issue that has increased noticeably since I joined XDA-Dev, im not sure if anyone agree with me at all on this
But more and more of the developers here demands "donations" for their work, and that really sadden me. Because more and more ppl will feel that "hey, this guy and that guy actually makes money on their work, why cant I?" and in the end, this forums users will have to "donate" to everyone, and it will slowly suffocate from greed...
I know many use hours after hours, doing really amazing work creating,fixing modding and w/e. And I fully accept that ppl have a donation button in their signature, and that ppl can donate money as mutch as they want.
But when developers write that if you donate, I will continue my work, or if you donate I will provide you with support, or you can download my work if you pay for it, then xda has decreased to a point where I cant support it.
I joined here because I needed help, and I got it, for free. And I decided I want to contribute too, so I started learning, for free, what I now know. And I try my best to help out.
I have had many ppl telling me that they want to donate money for the work I have done making roms, etc (in herald section)
But I dont want any.
And I will make this promise: Im never gonna have a sig with donations, and I will never accept any form of donations for the work I do here. But I will respect that others have a "donation sig", but I will not accept and use stuff developed here that has a "you must donate me"
What make/made this forum great, is that so many have shared for free, amazing work.
Im not sure what the creators of this forums feel about this, or the current admins/moderators feels about this. But if you guys somewhat agree with me, please do something about it.
Im just a user, with my thoughts and views on things, and I dont know if anyone see it the same way as I do, or if this is actually a issue that should be adressed at all.
But maybe its just me and my thoughts that are wrong
cheers
itje said:
I have wanted to adress a issue that has increased noticeably since I joined XDA-Dev, im not sure if anyone agree with me at all on this
But more and more of the developers here demands "donations" for their work, and that really sadden me. Because more and more ppl will feel that "hey, this guy and that guy actually makes money on their work, why cant I?" and in the end, this forums users will have to "donate" to everyone, and it will slowly suffocate from greed...
I know many use hours after hours, doing really amazing work creating,fixing modding and w/e. And I fully accept that ppl have a donation button in their signature, and that ppl can donate money as mutch as they want.
But when developers write that if you donate, I will continue my work, or if you donate I will provide you with support, or you can download my work if you pay for it, then xda has decreased to a point where I cant support it.
I joined here because I needed help, and I got it, for free. And I decided I want to contribute too, so I started learning, for free, what I now know. And I try my best to help out.
I have had many ppl telling me that they want to donate money for the work I have done making roms, etc (in herald section)
But I dont want any.
And I will make this promise: Im never gonna have a sig with donations, and I will never accept any form of donations for the work I do here. But I will respect that others have a "donation sig", but I will not accept and use stuff developed here that has a "you must donate me"
What make/made this forum great, is that so many have shared for free, amazing work.
Im not sure what the creators of this forums feel about this, or the current admins/moderators feels about this. But if you guys somewhat agree with me, please do something about it.
Im just a user, with my thoughts and views on things, and I dont know if anyone see it the same way as I do, or if this is actually a issue that should be adressed at all.
But maybe its just me and my thoughts that are wrong
cheers
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where does anyone demand donations? devs ask yes, this is true in any dev community, if they say you MUST donate then that is wrong and against forum policy, so show me some examples
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where does anyone demand donations? devs ask yes, this is true in any dev community, if they say you MUST donate then that is wrong and against forum policy, so show me some examples
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Allright. I was hoping that I didnt have to, because I dont wanna make anyone a "example" and I dont want to start a flamewar or a fight on who does it or not.
I think I need to say that the "demand" is often not written as a demand, but its usually adressed with please support me, and I will....insert "service provided" here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234
Im NOT saying the poster of that thread is "guilty" of anything, and im sure that explanations could be provided and so on, but im adressing something that is increasing, atleast from my point of view. And Im gonna be the first to back down on what I "shed a little light on" if im mistaken in my interpetations.
But I do read alot around on the forum, and I just feel that more and more ppl wants donations for the work they do.
I will quote some general sigs, without saying who have them,and its not copied from anyones sig, but its a general "quote" of many diffrent sigs.
"if you like my work, and want more, donate"
"If you like what I do, buy me a beer"
"support my hard work by donating"
"Accepting any amount in donations"
"Incourage me to continue my work, buy me a beer"
list can go on with diffrent versons.
Im not against a donation system, but I really dont like it when you must donate to download anything, in my interpetation, that is as you say, against xda policy.
Is not developing for free, and so that we all can get more out of our devices encourage enough? If we want to make money on our work, why not start a company and start doing buisness on our own websites, and not use xda-dev to promote work we want to make money on?
sorry if I offend anyone, thats not my intention at all, and as I said, the post i linked to might be a bad example too. And I respect the hard work they do, and actually understand that they wants donations and all. Im really impressed by the work both the owner of the thread I use as example, and others. And that they deserve payment for what they do or not, is not the issue im forwarding here, so please have that in mind when commenting what I try to adress here.
http://myreanimatedlife.blogspot.com/
Check it out. I just started it but more will come.
Also anything you would like to see ill try to put in there. I kinda wanted it to be like a book of code when it's done... Not saying it would ever get that far. But here's hoping
No particular requests here, just a big thanks for sharing knowledge!
No problem lol I know there isn't really much of anything there yet but there will be so periodically check back
Ok, I mentioned in annother thread that I am willing to learn developing so our phone dosent die. I've rrun into a bit of a hiccup in that I'm compeletly new to programming and I've either gotten no response or a negative one when I went looking for pointers. Fear not I am still not giving up it is just going to take longer than expected. So in interest of keeping development moving forward I'm putting out a call to arms. Are there any other aspiring developers out there? If so post in this thread what you are good at and what you can do. Perhaps we can collaborate and push out a rom in the near future. Personally I am an expert at graphic manipulation and can handle all of the ui, still working on the coding part. For everyone else, post things you would like to see and perhaps one of us could pick it up and run with it. Let's work together and make this work better than they ever thought it could!
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Sigh..
We can't work together if you don't have experience with coding.
If you really want to get a spark, you need to get a promising build onto github. And, you will need experience and attention to detail. Nobody wants to help if you don't comment your code, keep good changelogs, and maintain a good readme.
So far, I don't see it out there.
Furthermore, I can't afford to spend hours working on something that won't pay my mortgage. Most of us can't.
If I hit the lottery, maybe I'm your guy. In the meantime, we can't work together without a leader.
And, let's hope the next developer isn't lacing every file with a bunch of jibber jabber about "don't kang my sh*t, bro." Because, a collaborative effort would require plenty of sharing.
Just my two cents.
I would love to see a new Sense rom. but this place seems dead. Coming from the G1 I was surprised to see barely any roms. Even though the G1 is a ancent phone, it had quite a bit of rom and there's more activity over there than there is activity over here.
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orange808 said:
Sigh..
We can't work together if you don't have experience with coding.
If you really want to get a spark, you need to get a promising build onto github. And, you will need experience and attention to detail. Nobody wants to help if you don't comment your code, keep good changelogs, and maintain a good readme.
So far, I don't see it out there.
Furthermore, I can't afford to spend hours working on something that won't pay my mortgage. Most of us can't.
If I hit the lottery, maybe I'm your guy. In the meantime, we can't work together without a leader.
And, let's hope the next developer isn't lacing every file with a bunch of jibber jabber about "don't kang my sh*t, bro." Because, a collaborative effort would require plenty of sharing.
Just my two cents.
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I appreciate your honesty. But you misunderstand my intentions. I am not looking for someone to hold my hand and walk me through how to do everything. I, at most, am looking for info on how to start. I know I need expirence in coding before I can push out a rom, and that it will take a while to get that. That's why I started this thread. So, instead of waiting for me to finish the learning process we can get any other aspiring developers together to start something new in the meantime. I know there are others out there and if we all start posting what we can do and what we would like to see then maybe something may come from it. Thank you for point me to github, I'm sure I can learn some more from there. I understand about responsibilities getting in the way of hobbies, I have kids and a mortgage too, I'm just looking to get all the new developers together so that we can share and work together. I have a friend that writes code for websites for a living and I'm trying to get him on board to take this up as a hobby. Here's hoping.
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There are only three devs left for the Sidekick.
HewettBR, me (JiN1337), and nxd (kernel developer)
Reactive was a guy who tried to get everyone banned for using open source work, and thus in turn got banned himself.
I would be welcomed to help teach you a bit. I wish I had a learning curve when I was just beginning how to cook ROMS.
1. Download a ROM, unzip it, browse around files, and open files. Play with things.
2. When in doubt, Google it. It's likely someone else had the same problem before you and is a basis on how I fix 80% of ROM problems.
3. Always, always make a NANDROID. A foolish mistake is to flash your own ROM and not have a backup to go to, and than you have to start all over.
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Thanks. I have a stack of books on android as tall as my hip lol. I feel like I'm in college all over again. Any help would be appreciated at this point. I'm on information overload.
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Hello!
I normally do not post on forums but something has been bothering me about this dying community for sidekick 4g. We have hardly any devs left, and it seems that the only people who cared enough to take the time to make something have either A. been 86d out or B. Been scared off/vanished.
The moderators, who barely spend time on the SK4g forums except maybe to close a thread here and there, do not really seem too concerned about the health of the community. I am not trying to start drama or anything simply putting out a plea of some rationality. Even if you don’t like Jin or reactive or whoever, I do not even know these people in real life and I am willing to bet the same goes for many people, but if they are willing to make something cant we just give them a chance to make something beautiful?
Samsung has given up on the phone, and it feels like everyone else has too even XDA.
ZKMIN said:
Hello!
I normally do not post on forums but something has been bothering me about this dying community for sidekick 4g. We have hardly any devs left, and it seems that the only people who cared enough to take the time to make something have either A. been 86d out or B. Been scared off/vanished.
The moderators, who barely spend time on the SK4g forums except maybe to close a thread here and there, do not really seem too concerned about the health of the community. I am not trying to start drama or anything simply putting out a plea of some rationality. Even if you don’t like Jin or reactive or whoever, I do not even know these people in real life and I am willing to bet the same goes for many people, but if they are willing to make something cant we just give them a chance to make something beautiful?
Samsung has given up on the phone, and it feels like everyone else has too even XDA.
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Unfortunately, no. As the last official remaining dev as of now for the Sidekick 4G, the others abide by Conan's view too much. At the very least VeNuM who moderates here is a far less take-sides moderator. Though, most of the userbase still on this forum is very hypocritcal, not all however. Reactive's banned for kanging open source scripts and basically lying to everyone. I'm banned because I have a sense of freedom.
I agree. I came from a g2 and didnt even know what root ment. And there where a lot of people there willing to teach. I switched the the sidekick cuz I liked the feel of thes phone and was looking for something new. And now every thread I open has be closed and I can't really find any help. Most people that post are looking ffor help to. I know this phone and been given up on by samsung but the xda I knew didn't let **** like that stop them and like the guy above said there seems to be a lot of anamosity with devs and the people and mods. I mean like the grate captin jack said "sticks and stones my love" there is no reason to take **** so personal from people on the net... we all want the same thing and that's to unlock the full potenchle of this phone. I can't even get help on how to add sound to my boot animation I made... I hope this phone doesn't die off and gets better.
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Okay, so i've managed to create a rooted rom that I was happy to do. I stayed up all night and up until now figuring out what i had to do. I need just one more thing, A EFFIN' CONVERTER OR A REPACKER THAT WORKS!!! okay so i opened my system.img using sgs2ext4 and edited what i had to so that things can work. Ive been mainly up because i cant find a re-packer that actually works for windows. i know most are gonna say linux,but, i did that with a live image boot and it was painful as hell. looooonnnnnnng boot up, system lags and freezes, and im on a macbook with bootcamp windows and a small ssd. I just need something for windows to do what i need done. ive tried so many within the past 7 hours. much appreciation for anyone who may help.
And please if you are gonna be a smart a$$ and reply idiotically over typos, irrelevant answers,etc... please dont bother.
i am doing this for myself and the community to contribute something that since rev2 has hit our device, only one other has been doing for us, partcyborg. he deserves a break and so here i am.
thank you
repacker
https://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/tool-auto-tool-unpack-repack-rom-t3278393/page2 have you tried this one?
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Thanks ijoxer It's almost complete and I will test out Rom before release. Thanks
podagee said:
Okay, so i've managed to create a rooted rom that I was happy to do. I stayed up all night and up until now figuring out what i had to do. I need just one more thing, A EFFIN' CONVERTER OR A REPACKER THAT WORKS!!! okay so i opened my system.img using sgs2ext4 and edited what i had to so that things can work. Ive been mainly up because i cant find a re-packer that actually works for windows. i know most are gonna say linux,but, i did that with a live image boot and it was painful as hell. looooonnnnnnng boot up, system lags and freezes, and im on a macbook with bootcamp windows and a small ssd. I just need something for windows to do what i need done. ive tried so many within the past 7 hours. much appreciation for anyone who may help.
And please if you are gonna be a smart a$$ and reply idiotically over typos, irrelevant answers,etc... please dont bother.
i am doing this for myself and the community to contribute something that since rev2 has hit our device, only one other has been doing for us, partcyborg. he deserves a break and so here i am.
thank you
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Listen man, I'm not a mod so feel free to tell me to go kick rocks, but I'm just gonna lay it out for you. I think I can speak for everyone when I say, you don't always have to be so confrontational with your post, and it seems to be every single one of them (take a look through and tell me it isn't to the point of ridiculous). Nobody here is out to get you, and I know XDA isn't as user friendly as it once was, but the majority og users here will be grateful for any and all contributions, because it's what we're here for, to find and test custom projects that we can freely tweak and mod ourselves. You're almost always going to have at least one smartass taking a jab at you, thats life, and you have to learn to roll with the punches instead of making it a big deal. How you worded your post is far more likely to attract asshole comments (and this isn't meant to be one either) than any other, simply because you're making yourself an easy target for those looking to stir some **** up. You basically held up a sign that said, "I dare you to piss me off, just go ahead and try" and you know damn well someone will.
All that aside, I'm excited to see what you've come up with, I've been anxious to do something custom myself, mainly for personal use (unless it seems stable and different enough to release). I am genuinly thankful to have someone else trying to put up some development for our device, as it's been lacking now with all the consistent updates (@Jrkruse, I'm looking at you) So, shoot me a pm when you release it, or quote me if you don't mind, and please don't take any of that personally, just don't want to see another flame war start flooding your thread before you even get anything released. Just ignore the haters, and I used to be a grammar Nazi myself, but honestly, don't pay attention to those making fun for incorrect grammar, English isn't a lot of peoples first language anymore, and even for those it is, we've all had those moments.
Take care man, hope the development is coming along smooth for you! :good:
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Listen man, I'm not a mod so feel free to tell me to go kick rocks, but I'm just gonna lay it out for you. I think I can speak for everyone when I say, you don't always have to be so confrontational with your post, and it seems to be every single one of them (take a look through and tell me it isn't to the point of ridiculous). Nobody here is out to get you, and I know XDA isn't as user friendly as it once was, but the majority og users here will be grateful for any and all contributions, because it's what we're here for, to find and test custom projects that we can freely tweak and mod ourselves. You're almost always going to have at least one smartass taking a jab at you, thats life, and you have to learn to roll with the punches instead of making it a big deal. How you worded your post is far more likely to attract asshole comments (and this isn't meant to be one either) than any other, simply because you're making yourself an easy target for those looking to stir some **** up. You basically held up a sign that said, "I dare you to piss me off, just go ahead and try" and you know damn well someone will.
All that aside, I'm excited to see what you've come up with, I've been anxious to do something custom myself, mainly for personal use (unless it seems stable and different enough to release). I am genuinly thankful to have someone else trying to put up some development for our device, as it's been lacking now with all the consistent updates (@Jrkruse, I'm looking at you) So, shoot me a pm when you release it, or quote me if you don't mind, and please don't take any of that personally, just don't want to see another flame war start flooding your thread before you even get anything released. Just ignore the haters, and I used to be a grammar Nazi myself, but honestly, don't pay attention to those making fun for incorrect grammar, English isn't a lot of peoples first language anymore, and even for those it is, we've all had those moments.
Take care man, hope the development is coming along smooth for you! :good:
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Haha yeah man no offense taken..... I was just about to edit the post because I found DD and it's about time. Of course I post combat mode haha. It's not exact my right and like I said, I was just about to edit it.
So I'm building the blocks for my ext4 and hopefully soon it will be ready. Partcyborg has been helping me a bunch lately, so much appreciation and credit goes to him. I'm just trying to create a stable rom that's rooted. Hopefully once I get this one down, I can get something else in the works. I have and idea that will probably lighten me up a bit more haha. I apologize ONCE AGAIN. Haha. Yeah most times I'm in that mode,but, when it goes off, no one wants to bother me cause really I am asshole. Don mean to troll or troll my own threads. You had me laughing as soon as I read the post though. Stay tuned and hopefully soon more to come if I can get this damn thing correct.
Word of advice guys, no sleep, computer vision all night= one frumpy son of a ......
Sleep early, stay off your computer= happy guy.
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Haha yeah man no offense taken..... I was just about to edit the post because I found DD and it's about time. Of course I post combat mode haha. It's not exact my right and like I said, I was just about to edit it.
So I'm building the blocks for my ext4 and hopefully soon it will be ready. Partcyborg has been helping me a bunch lately, so much appreciation and credit goes to him. I'm just trying to create a stable rom that's rooted. Hopefully once I get this one down, I can get something else in the works. I have and idea that will probably lighten me up a bit more haha. I apologize ONCE AGAIN. Haha. Yeah most times I'm in that mode,but, when it goes off, no one wants to bother me cause really I am asshole. Don mean to troll or troll my own threads. You had me laughing as soon as I read the post though. Stay tuned and hopefully soon more to come if I can get this damn thing correct.
Word of advice guys, no sleep, computer vision all night= one frumpy son of a ......
Sleep early, stay off your computer= happy guy.
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Well, glad it made you laugh, and definitely no need to apologize, I just know I can be an easy target when I'm in asshole mode myself. And like you, it'd probably be less frequent if I didn't stay up all night coding or reading, I'm on about 70 hrs straight right now (remember to get up frequently and get that blood moving fellow geek insomniacs ?), but hey, I'll sleep when I'm dead, because I'm here for a good time, not a long time.
But again, excited to see what ya came up with, and shout out to @partcyborg for being helpful and making his awesome roms, aaand getting v2 bootloaders running root, looks like we have a clear MVP for this device moving forward. I'll probably try getting in a few Zs, and then going to tinker with my N/O hybrid I just started phasing together.
Happy New Years ladies and gents, another night to to stay up and not even feel bad about it lol, maybe I can make some decent progress before the dreaded 9-5 is back to running my life. ???
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Haha yeah man no offense taken..... I was just about to edit the post because I found DD and it's about time. Of course I post combat mode haha. It's not exact my right and like I said, I was just about to edit it.
So I'm building the blocks for my ext4 and hopefully soon it will be ready. Partcyborg has been helping me a bunch lately, so much appreciation and credit goes to him. I'm just trying to create a stable rom that's rooted. Hopefully once I get this one down, I can get something else in the works. I have and idea that will probably lighten me up a bit more haha. I apologize ONCE AGAIN. Haha. Yeah most times I'm in that mode,but, when it goes off, no one wants to bother me cause really I am asshole. Don mean to troll or troll my own threads. You had me laughing as soon as I read the post though. Stay tuned and hopefully soon more to come if I can get this damn thing correct.
Word of advice guys, no sleep, computer vision all night= one frumpy son of a ......
Sleep early, stay off your computer= happy guy.
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Bro really? 70hours! Damn I'd be wigging out on everybody. Must be some good meth there buddy hahaha. 9-5? I lost my job cause I stayed up every night so far haha. Oh well, I just wanted to get something out before next week cause I won't be in front of anything that communicates with the world for a year or 2. Jail is where I'll get my sleep haha. Hopefully it doesn't go that way,but, if it does, Tuesday I won't be available and by the time I get out partcyborg will already have had this phone bootloader unlocked with Roms galore and probably will ha e moved to the n3xt best device haha. I just want a to contribute something before I leave,so, I kinda feel pressured. It's not anyone's business but I'm upfront and at least I tell the truth. So to be honest that's sort of f2f he reason why I been stressed lately and act like an asshole. At least one thing done positively, satisfaction in myself that I can say hey, even if it wasn't huge, I did my small part . Know what I mean? And yes I agree with Partcyborg being the MVP of this thread. He has been the only one to remain here and provide things for us when all others seemed to have abandoned us. Dude is extremely helpf and hasn't lost it on me yet for blowing the he'll out of his inbox haha. And yes jrkruse where you At? Hazmat where you At? Hazmat was the first on these s8+ threads I kept up with. He left after almost completing his of a update root, I finished it off and haven't seen him post or nothing ever since. The 3 greats in my eyes and onlyh one is still standing with us. Ok now I gotta figure out my block size and compile to ext4. I'm here typing a novel haha
well, dont know whats going on but when i build the blocks and count my linux freezes and does absolutely nothing. any pointers greatly appreciated
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well, dont know whats going on but when i build the blocks and count my linux freezes and does absolutely nothing. any pointers greatly appreciated
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I tried to pm you all day but xda says your account was deleted. I was stuck in travel hell for like 20h yesterday dealing with crap airlines at the holidays
Yea, great meth, but yours must be better with that short novel? ?
Now it says you've deleted your profile, tried messaging you back bud, sorry, had to get some sleep. Hope you don't go to jail, I couldn't do time myself, my anxiety would kill me.
Anyway, hope to see you back soon, and hopefully you made some progress.