False SD card reading - HTC Sensation

Not sure if this has been covered but my phone is giving me false SD card readings. My card was reading at 11gb free space and now it reads 8gb free space. it's done this before, telling me I have less available memory.
i'm running HyperNonSense by Spider running Bricked Kernel. Anyone witness this or is this a sensation thing? Thanks.

i'd tried couple of roms and something similar happen to me, like bad mounting sd card or something like that. I don't remember exactly which rom it was but i'm pretty sure it was more than a different one. i just restart my phone and everything goes fine

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[Q] help!

i got a replacement xoom and when i tried putting in a memory card in it, the memory card would get stuck. i managed to get it in but now it gets super hot when its plugged in the xoom. any reasons why?
I would remove it very carefully but it sounds like something is wrong. One of the metal prongs/leads/whatever on the card may have gotten skewed and could be causing mischief.
actually i think its the memory card cuz i put another one in and that one works and doesnt get hot. by the way the memory card i tried first i had it in my evo and then a few days back i had a notification saying blank SD card, do you think thats the problem?
carbaj12 said:
actually i think its the memory card cuz i put another one in and that one works and doesnt get hot. by the way the memory card i tried first i had it in my evo and then a few days back i had a notification saying blank SD card, do you think thats the problem?
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it sounds like your memory card has either gone corrupt or is trying to. I would suggest backing up your data on that card. I say this because the memory card that I have for my Droid 2 started doing that as well as *uninstalling* all my apps that I placed on the SD card (saying that the files were never there and such, but when placed on my Windows 7 computer, it would be there,) and then would bog my phone down while trying to read the card. I tested to make sure it was not the phone itself (which it would have sucked!) and the same thing happened in two other android phones, proving it was the SD CARD because other (as well as newer too) SDCARDS I had laying around and none of them had this trouble. Even a SD Card testing APP on the market said "Uh yeah... it's dying!"
Because Android is on a linux flavor, it likes to KNOW EVERYTHING on the card or it just does not care for it and then treats it like a blank card. I would suggest that if you want to try and salvage the card, do a quick format AND I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR: to the same file allocation system (aka Fat16 to fat 16, Fat 32 to fat 32, NTFS to NTFS. DO NOT CHANGE THIS unless you know what you are doing!) Also note DO NOT do a full format because this will write to every sector of the SD Card, and that is really really bad for the SD card as well as any flash memory...
A quick format just goes over the file allocation tables (a table that stores information for where the information is located on the card) and then try it again. If problem persists, call manufacturer of the card or where you got the card originally (evo = call htc, droid 2 = call motorola, ETC) and see if it is still under warranty.
Good Luck and I hope I helped you out some

WTF - Warning - SD Card contents

I haven't searched but saying that I've never seen anything like this on Desire or Sensation threads before.
I went to copy something over to the phone (using Windoze Explorer) and when I looked at the contents. I saw the attached. The phone, when I use Root Explorer, and PC agree :-((
For reference I've used Linux, PC (Explorer) and ADB 100% to copy files over successfully before, so no posts about using one or not using one.
All the Filenames etc. have been completely screwed up. Looks like they've been converted to DOS 8.3 format.
I have never ever seen this before. I think I must have run something on the PC when the phone was USB connected. It's about the only thing I can think of, the phone/SD Card/ROM have been 100% reliable so far.
LUCKILY, I made a rare backup of my SD Card yesterday. I usually remember to make one once in a blue moon.
All I can think is to recommend folks to disconnect the USB drive when not needed and do Backups (of the Phone and also the SD Card).
Anyone seen this before ??
sorry to say this to you but your memory card has gone corrupted.
i know this because this has happened to me alot of times.
this happens if you use unbranded memory cards but this also happens to branded memory card.
the only solution i can give to you is buy a new memory card. and the main reason this happen when you connect your phone to your pc/laptop and use it as diskdrive and take the wire out while transferring data.
the only way to prevent is to use a safe remove usb and than change your diskdrive to charge only and wait till everything is loaded and then disconnect your usb wire.
also if you fornat your memory card it will work but i can tell you this that this willhappen again and this could happen without connecting your phone to computer. so to only prevent data loss buy a good new memory card.
Shery4life said:
sorry to say this to you but your memory card has gone corrupted.
i know this because this has happened to me alot of times.
this happens if you use unbranded memory cards but this also happens to branded memory card.
the only solution i can give to you is buy a new memory card. and the main reason this happen when you connect your phone to your pc/laptop and use it as diskdrive and take the wire out while transferring data.
the only way to prevent is to use a safe remove usb and than change your diskdrive to charge only and wait till everything is loaded and then disconnect your usb wire.
also if you fornat your memory card it will work but i can tell you this that this willhappen again and this could happen without connecting your phone to computer. so to only prevent data loss buy a good new memory card.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm 99.8% sure it still works and he doesn't have to buy a new memory card yet .. I don't know where you get the idea that his memory card is completely dead! It looks like he still has his files, there's just all that junk in there! Worse comes to worst, he has to reformat it which I think may not even be necessary
Anyway, I've had a similar situation as yours and "repairing it" fixed those issues up. I didn't even reformat it, just repaired it. Try that! (Assuming you haven't already reformatted it anyway)
KAwAtA said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm 99.8% sure it still works and he doesn't have to buy a new memory card yet .. I don't know where you get the idea that his memory card is completely dead! It looks like he still has his files, there's just all that junk in there! Worse comes to worst, he has to reformat it which I think may not even be necessary
Anyway, I've had a similar situation as yours and "repairing it" fixed those issues up. I didn't even reformat it, just repaired it. Try that! (Assuming you haven't already reformatted it anyway)
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Update:
Card is fine. Just the filenames/pathnames got screwed.
As I said luckily I had done a backup of it yesterday, only by accident. I mounted the card on the PC directly (USB adapter) and deleted / copied stuff back.
It must have been something on my PC I ran as it changed the filenames/pathnames to 8.3. I did run something (can't remember the name) as I had problems doing the copy (SD Card to PC) for the backup. A few (4 if I remember) files were too long, exceeded the 255 limit. I D/L something to see what was the issue, turned out to be some book preview I'd accidently down loaded from the market.
All good and working now....
As I said just a warning that **** on the PC can screw the SD Card on the phone.
Backups (Nandroid and SD Card) are a pain but can be life savers.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm 99.8% sure it still works and he doesn't have to buy a new memory card yet .. I don't know where you get the idea that his memory card is completely dead! It looks like he still has his files, there's just all that junk in there! Worse comes to worst, he has to reformat it which I think may not even be necessary
Anyway, I've had a similar situation as yours and "repairing it" fixed those issues up. I didn't even reformat it, just repaired it. Try that! (Assuming you haven't already reformatted it anyway)
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i don't mean that he should buy a new memroy card because after formating/repairing it the memroy card will work but this corruption can happen again. if this happens again the onl;y thing he can do is buy another memroy card. this has hapened to my unbranded memroy card which was 16 gb class 10 and it happened atleast 5-6 times. since i couldn't take another corruption i have ordeered class 10 32gb lexar memory card which is working fine and its hasn't gave me any problem since i've been using it
Man that's what happened to one of my other 4 gb cards I don't use anymore. It was kinda funny. I ended up reformatting it, but an odd thing has happened... 3gbs went down to 1.7gbs... I can't even access the remaining 2gbs... no matter what I've tried.
I didn't buy a new card since it works just fine. Been using it as a "mini" file storage card for 4 months and no issues yet. =D
You sure everythings fine? A lot of files on that card read "0KB" which is definitely not a good thing.
Best of luck.
Anyone with any issues with an SD card should first attempt a low level format.
I'll leave you all to Google that one.
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It's fine.
Just that something I used, never used it before, to check filename/pathname lengths (due to FAT issues), seems to have converted everything to DOS 8.3 format. The ones that didn't conform to that were created after a phone re-boot.
This was only as a warning that **** does happen and backups, while a pain in the arse to do, can save a load of pain.
Off to try some ICS ROMs now so expecting a load more pain, d/l, CWM, Wipe, Swear, revert back to CM7. ;-)))) Just need to make sure that nothing updates my HBOOT..
Try .. A Full format of the SD Card
You need to do a Full format and wipe of the SD Card .. I have " fixed" a few this way.
I use: HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool - Seems to work for me

[Q] Overheating and sd card removed

My sensation gives me "removed sd card" or "damaged sd card" message everytime the phone starts to get hot a bit. If i use the phone too intensely, the bottom part (where the sim and sd cards are located) gets really hot.
Then the only way i can get my sd card to reconnect again is to wait until the phone has completely cooled down and restart it.
It does this on many roms so I don't think it's a rom issue. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same problem and if there's a fix for it. It's starting to get really annoying.
I'm currently on firmware 3.32 and running AOKP but it did the same thing on CM9.
Thanks.
JamZo said:
My sensation gives me "removed sd card" or "damaged sd card" message everytime the phone starts to get hot a bit. If i use the phone too intensely, the bottom part (where the sim and sd cards are located) gets really hot.
Then the only way i can get my sd card to reconnect again is to wait until the phone has completely cooled down and restart it.
It does this on many roms so I don't think it's a rom issue. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same problem and if there's a fix for it. It's starting to get really annoying.
I'm currently on firmware 3.32 and running AOKP but it did the same thing on CM9.
Thanks.
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Did you tried to format SD card ? If you did and still have this issue, than only remedy for you is to get NEW SD card mate
dublinz said:
Did you tried to format SD card ? If you did and still have this issue, than only remedy for you is to get NEW SD card mate
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I haven't tried formatting it yet... i will try with another sd card first to see if that may be the problem (the one currently in my Sensation is 32gb and it's going to take me forever to back up everything and put it back) and if so I'll reformat it. Fat32, right?
JamZo said:
I haven't tried formatting it yet... i will try with another sd card first to see if that may be the problem (the one currently in my Sensation is 32gb and it's going to take me forever to back up everything and put it back) and if so I'll reformat it. Fat32, right?
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You are correct, this need's to be done mate, so you have to put up a bit with data transfer If you have class 10 as i do it will take up to 30 min each direction ( i have 28 gb of data) Thought i think that card is culprit) ... Time will tell.
BTW i always format sd from recovery
Without inspecting your hardware (that sounds dirty) I can't know for sure but it's a possibility that the excess heat is causing an already damaged SD Card to expand just enough to screw with it. When it cools, whatever is damaged probably shrinks back to normal and all the electrical pathways in the card re-align properly.
That shouldn't happen. An undamaged SD Card will still expand with heat just like anything else (not noticeably, but expansion still occurs whenever anything gets hot) but it won't cease to function properly.
Remember you're dealing with REALLY tiny electrical pathways in a Micro SD Card. Even slight expansion causing misalignment could screw everything up.
In other words, like everyone else said, get a new SD Card.
Skipjacks said:
Without inspecting your hardware (that sounds dirty) I can't know for sure but it's a possibility that the excess heat is causing an already damaged SD Card to expand just enough to screw with it. When it cools, whatever is damaged probably shrinks back to normal and all the electrical pathways in the card re-align properly.
That shouldn't happen. An undamaged SD Card will still expand with heat just like anything else (not noticeably, but expansion still occurs whenever anything gets hot) but it won't cease to function properly.
Remember you're dealing with REALLY tiny electrical pathways in a Micro SD Card. Even slight expansion causing misalignment could screw everything up.
In other words, like everyone else said, get a new SD Card.
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But what's funny is when the sd card heats up I can still read it with my computer...
I just tried with another sd card, rebooted a bunch of times to get the phone to heat up a bit (if I would do that with my 32gb it would disconnect) but everything works fine. So at least now I know it's my sd card and not the phone itself.
I'm backing up my data to at least try reformatting it before getting a new sd card (i think i only have a class4 so it's going to take a while). If I start using a new sd card i'll need to transfer my stuff anyways.
Thanks for all the help guys, much appreciated.
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But what's funny is when the sd card heats up I can still read it with my computer...
I just tried with another sd card, rebooted a bunch of times to get the phone to heat up a bit (if I would do that with my 32gb it would disconnect) but everything works fine. So at least now I know it's my sd card and not the phone itself.
I'm backing up my data to at least try reformatting it before getting a new sd card (i think i only have a class4 so it's going to take a while). If I start using a new sd card i'll need to transfer my stuff anyways.
Thanks for all the help guys, much appreciated.
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if you are going to reformat your card, my advice will be to use
MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition
http://www.partitionwizard.com/download.html
Great tool
dublinz said:
if you are going to reformat your card, my advice will be to use
MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition
http://www.partitionwizard.com/download.html
Great tool
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I thought you said before that usually you reformat from recovery...
JamZo said:
I thought you said before that usually you reformat from recovery...
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And i do, but if i have any problem with SD card i try (and mostly) fix the problem with this tool
dublinz said:
And i do, but if i have any problem with SD card i try (and mostly) fix the problem with this tool
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Thanks for the tip. Also I forgot to mention that even when I can't access the sd card from the OS, I can access it from recovery, so I doubt that the card is actually damaged. Hopefully reformatting it will fix the issue, I will let you guys know.
Just to update on my sd card situation, I started to back up my data to reformat it, and I cleaned it up a bit by removing some unused folders and files at the same time. All of sudden no matter how much the phone heats up, the sd card doesn't disconnect anymore...
JamZo said:
Just to update on my sd card situation, I started to back up my data to reformat it, and I cleaned it up a bit by removing some unused folders and files at the same time. All of sudden no matter how much the phone heats up, the sd card doesn't disconnect anymore...
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Yaeeeee keep the money in pocket

Your SD card likely isn't the problem

I was going to post this in response to a couple of people in the development sections but my post count is too low so I'll post it here instead.
The SD slot in this phone seems to have an issue with corrupting SD cards, I've had to format both my old and new SD card multiple times with this phone as it becomes unusable every few days. I'm not versed enough in hardware to know if this is a bad connection between the SD slot and the "motherboard" of the phone. I've seen a number of people have their SD cards go bad with this phone and I assume that means we had a manufacturing issue. It would be really cool if a hardware hacker experiencing this issue could take a look inside and confirm whether or not the hardware is connected correctly.
Well, perhaps there's a high number of bad readers....
I've had the same card in my Q since the day I got it (mid-September), no issues.
Mine wouldn't read the day I swapped up from My Epic 4g Touch to This phone, So I popped in an sd reader backed up my data then let the Moto format it, no issues sence
Curious to know what class of card you guys are running. I've been running a Patriot class 10 but my previous was a class 4 without branding that came with my old Transform.
I'm really hoping that I just had my old SD card die at a bad time and that my newer SD card was just sent bad. Today I couldn't get the card to read from the SD slot in my computer, and it would not be cool if my phone caused it to become that way.
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Curious to know what class of card you guys are running. I've been running a Patriot class 10 but my previous was a class 4 without branding that came with my old Transform.
I'm really hoping that I just had my old SD card die at a bad time and that my newer SD card was just sent bad. Today I couldn't get the card to read from the SD slot in my computer, and it would not be cool if my phone caused it to become that way.
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Class 10 Maxell
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2074251
No issues here. I tossed the crappy class 2/4 that shipped with my Epic long ago.
Well I found an extra class 4, 2 GB SD card lying around the house when I was cleaning today. It may be that the local shipment of phones was bad, so if this SD card goes on me then I'll try exchanging the phone in another town just to be safe.
Just out of curiosity does anyone know whether Sprint orders enough phones for replacements with their original shipments? I'm not from a very large town so I'd imagine they would keep replacing with phones from the same batch.
I've got a Samsung 32GB class 10 mSD.
Nearly everytime I reboot my Photon Q it says "SD Card is damaged".
Go into settings, Mount SD Card once or twice and it works.
I've read, that other Android Devices have also problems with that size of SD Cards. (Google)
I had also problem in recovery restoring a backup, the restore process didn't went correctly
(said that everything was fine), had to use my 2GB mSD, which worked nicely and the backup also.
So I think it's an android/kernel issue than a hardware issue.
I have noticed that I get the corrupt sdcard error everytime I try to use the "mass storage" or "media device" setting with Windows.
I use Ubuntu 99% of the time and leave it connected in "camera" mode, have never had that pop up like that...
I usually just use ADB to copy everything anyway so I do not miss the "mass storage" mode at all.
Just had a 16gb class 10 microcenter branded card go belly up on me. Phone just all of a sudden said it was removed and now nothing seems to recognize the thing. The mount option is completely greyed out, and does the same on my note 10.1 if i pop it in there.
When your cards have gone did they completely disappear and refuse to read?
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I wonder if it's the c10 cards...
You guys really shouldn't be using high class cards in a phone - there's really no benefit, as phones use SD card's very differently from camcorders or cameras...
On my ooooold phone, anything above Class6 was bad juju. I have always had class4 or lower cards, no fried cards (yet... lol)
kinda what I am feeling too. Not sure what class card I have but it was just a cheap 32gb from wallmart... Only had that error pop up once with this one though, and that was after trying to use usb storage.
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arrrghhh said:
I wonder if it's the c10 cards...
You guys really shouldn't be using high class cards in a phone - there's really no benefit, as phones use SD card's very differently from camcorders or cameras...
On my ooooold phone, anything above Class6 was bad juju. I have always had class4 or lower cards, no fried cards (yet... lol)
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Class 10 shouldn't make a difference to a device. The class/speed only comes in to play when transferring data from/to a computer, which will be faster on Class 10 vs Class 4 or 6.
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I wonder if it's the c10 cards...
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As best as I can tell, thats a negative. Ive been running with a 32GB class 10 since around when the phone was released, and Ive had no issues. Quite surprising on its own, seeing as I abuse the poor thing. True that class 10 arnt useful for the phone specifically, but some shops only carry class 10 cards.
@hfase
I dont seem to have any issues with mass storage, with ~1GB written a day. Im quite curious as to why some people have this issue.
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As best as I can tell, thats a negative. Ive been running with a 32GB class 10 since around when the phone was released, and Ive had no issues. Quite surprising on its own, seeing as I abuse the poor thing. True that class 10 arnt useful for the phone specifically, but some shops only carry class 10 cards.
@hfase
I dont seem to have any issues with mass storage, with ~1GB written a day. Im quite curious as to why some people have this issue.
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Maybe it's all down to the quality of the actual card itself?
Perhaps the cheaper no-name / off-name brands have a much higher failure rate....?
I'm not really sure, short of actual hardware issues on the device.
AW: Your SD card likely isn't the problem
Well here is my experience:
I am using a new san disk 32GB class10 micro sdcard. It was never format ed/ used before. The q itself formated the disk.
I have had no problems until using the twisted asanti prebuild
Version. Since then I only got problems with the qu saying the sdcard would be corrupt, after reboot. ( I expected some additional wired things, like the currents widget, which I deleted before reboot reappeared). So I would suggest it is an error in un mounting the sdcard before shutdown, which causes this failure.
Since I usually do not reboot the phone expect for flashing new roms, I had no trouble since then.
Hope this might help to further circle the problem, and maybe find a solution for this.
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Since CM10 I haven't noticed any SD-Card issues, but I have the feeling, that there are some issues, which aren't detected.
In the last few days my CM10 was acting weird.
1. The gallery (together with the camera app, 2in1 app) disappeared in the App Drawer (was still in /system/app) and didn't appear again after overwriting gallery2.apk again.
2. The Google Weather App had a graphical issue, so I was sure, that there was a flash issue by restoring ASA14 and flashing CM10 (from SD-Card!).
I solved this issue in copying the nandroid backup and CM10 to the phone and flash it from there.
I have tested my SD-Card in my external cardreader, it had no issues in doing so.
My guess is, that the SD-Card needs more power than the Photon Q can give and is losing some read/write commands.
arrrghhh said:
Maybe it's all down to the quality of the actual card itself?
Perhaps the cheaper no-name / off-name brands have a much higher failure rate....?
I'm not really sure, short of actual hardware issues on the device.
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I think This may have hit the nail on the head. I have had a couple cheap discount cards die but they really died. Cant even read in the PC and one even got really hot when plugged in. Got a good branded card from amazon and havent had a problem since.
Mordannon said:
I think This may have hit the nail on the head. I have had a couple cheap discount cards die but they really died. Cant even read in the PC and one even got really hot when plugged in. Got a good branded card from amazon and havent had a problem since.
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I've used better Samsung and Sandisk cards and have had this issue. It just randomly wipes all my data and creates the LOST.DIR with it all in there, but file names are all renamed and would takes years to sort through and try to figure out what is what. All my photos, music, etc.. were basically gone then. It didn't matter that the card was a name-brand or not. I've had the issue with several cards.
I constantly have this problem as well, and I've found that mounting the SD card with a reader or in another phone in a Linux environment fixes it for the most part. I think files still get lost, but you get most of what you had back.
I got a 32GB UHS1 card last week and it hasn't had a problem.

MicroSD card gets corrupted every reboot (CleanROM)

My SD card gets corrupted every time I reboot my phone. I'm using a 32GB Sandisk Ultra formatted as FAT32. The phone has CleanROM 5.6 installed (I've wiped, redownloaded, and reinstalled the ROM a couple of times).
Any ideas or experience?
Probably going bad. Mine did similar things when it was going bad. I formatted and did every trick I could find online many times to see if I could get it to work, nothing worked.
I ended up getting it replaced by SanDisk. Pretty easy to work with and I got it back within 7 business days.
I keep all my roms and zips on my internal and do not flash anything on my sd card.
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jonnythan said:
My SD card gets corrupted every time I reboot my phone. I'm using a 32GB Sandisk Ultra formatted as FAT32. The phone has CleanROM 5.6 installed (I've wiped, redownloaded, and reinstalled the ROM a couple of times).
Any ideas or experience?
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Does the card work anywhere else? I had a Sandisk Ultra UHS-1 Class 10 go bad in mine as well. Some of the research I did I found out it was a common inssue with those kinds of cards, especially if they were exFat because of the way Samsung uses their own proprietary exFat system.
I've done a large write+verify using it in an SD card slot on a laptop and it worked fine. The card is only about a week old, and it's done this since the beginning. I don't expect Sandisk would replace it since it works fine in Windows but not my phone.
They should replace it. Mine was mounting and unmounting over and over again. They didn't have any problem replacing it. No reason not to call. The only downside is a no or if they say yes, you will be without the card for about 7 days.
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If it's only been 7 days, take it back to the store or order a new one and then send this one back. That being said... I've had 3 32GB sandisks go bad in my phone, to the point of even being corrupt in Windows. I'm using a 64GB now, and knock on wood, it's been working fine for about 2 months so far... There have been a few threads about cards going bad in these S3's. Dunno if it's just coincidence or what.
I bought it from Amazon and have done a lot of returns there lately, so I contacted Sandisk. They agreed right away to replace it, so I'll do that.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Did you buy it online? If so it might be fake. Read more by googling fake micro sd. Apparently they make a 1gb memory card look like 32. It will just overwrite itself making data corrupt
Had the same issue with the same card. For me it was a hardware issue. When the card is inserted it clicks and comes back out a little. On my phone it came out a little too much and was losing connection with the card over and over and telling me the card was corrupted. All I did was push the card back in until there was resistance from the locking mechanism. Haven't had an issue since.
Now I say it's a phone hardware issue but really it could be that the card is too short or the cut outs where the locking mechanism holds on to are too low.
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zmedhaug said:
Did you buy it online? If so it might be fake. Read more by googling fake micro sd. Apparently they make a 1gb memory card look like 32. It will just overwrite itself making data corrupt
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I got it direct from Amazon, and it held and verified 30 GB of data with no problem. It's definitely real.

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