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Thinking of getting the Sensation.

Was wondering if it was worth upgrading from a g2? What do you guys think about it? Let me have some pros and cons before I dish out my booze money I had saved lol.
[G2/HTC Vision]

no. just wait for the next one. the build quaility of sensation is really low.

henrik.dk said:
no. just wait for the next one. the build quaility of sensation is really low.
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agreed ,and henrik.dk was being nice because he could of said worse

henrik.dk said:
no. just wait for the next one. the build quaility of sensation is really low.
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dont get any worse than the build quality of the g2 ....get one

tigerz0202 said:
dont get any worse than the build quality of the g2 ....get one
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you also right thats why he should wait dont make sense to to dush out more money for another low build quality phone

Can you elaborate on poor build quality?
I bought yesterday and now you have me seriously worried.

phonegod said:
you also right thats why he should wait dont make sense to to dush out more money for another low build quality phone
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well i like mine ,ive got no probs with the build quality , i get a new phone every year so i only wait a year, my hd2 was the only phone i kept over a year, so its whatever your means are to keep up with the technology

mcpothead said:
Can you elaborate on poor build quality?
I bought yesterday and now you have me seriously worried.
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just read the forum post on sensation general,sensation Q&A theres alot of things that go on with the phone i for one like it not had some of the problems people have but this is my third sensation so ive had my bit of problems but on my third sensation everthing is good

phonegod said:
just read the forum post on sensation general,sensation Q&A theres alot of things that go on with the phone i for one like it not had some of the problems people have but this is my third sensation so ive had my bit of problems but on my third sensation everthing is good
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Thanks mate yea I saw the issues there they seem to be with certain handsets only.
I was just worried as the guy above made it sound like there was problem with all the handsets build quality

mcpothead said:
Thanks mate yea I saw the issues there they seem to be with certain handsets only.
I was just worried as the guy above made it sound like there was problem with all the handsets build quality
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sure no problem you will be ok just handle the phone with care the back piece is fragile very, try not to drop the back cover or you will loose your volume rocker or the power button and remember to slide it in and out the back cover head first thats what he meant about build quality i think

phonegod said:
sure no problem you will be ok just handle the phone with care the back piece is fragile very, try not to drop the back cover or you will loose your volume rocker or the power button and remember to slide it in and out the back cover head first thats what he meant about build quality i think
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Thanks again will take extra care when putting the battery in. Then the case and screen protector are going straight on

THIS IS THE WORST, MOST SHODDILY CONSTRUCTED PHONE THAT COULD EVER EXIST (Not)
The "build quality" of the phone is fine. There are a few problems associated with being early adopters, that a small fraction of people on XDA have. As far as I know, everyone with major issues had them resolved by returning their phone, in store and getting it replaced on the spot.
There are different displays one bye AUO and one made by Sharp, if you're having trouble and prefer either display you can go in-store and exchange it, after telling them the issues you're having with your phone.
Furthermore many of the so called "issues" with build quality are BS manufactured by XDA-ers. Like:
"If I turn of my screen and hold it at a 45 degree angle while shining a flashlight at it I can see a spec of dust under the screen, I'm really really worried ='("
or my personal favorite:
"When I press down on the buttons on the bottom of my screen I hear a slight creaking sound WTF HTC!?!?"
My personal second favorite is THE LAGGY SENSE ISSUE, which essentially goes like this :
"I saw a video on youtube and the HTC EVO 3D runs the HTC Sense homescreen carousel milliseconds faster and smoother than the HTC Sensation, WTF HTC !!! IS THIS WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR!?!?!?"
- I would like to note that this issue only came into existence after said video made its way to the forums and someone decided that it was an "issue" that a slightly newer phone, with slightly better hardware and a slightly more optimized ROM, ran sense 3.0 slightly better than our phones do at the moment.
- They aren't buttons... this is a touch screen phone and just because they look like buttons doesn't mean that they should be pressed like buttons.
- Wifi-Signal attenuation while holding the phone, in landscape, a particular way IS real, but only if you are far away from your router. ALL phones experience signal attenuation when all or parts of the radios are covered, our phones do not lost Cellular data signal when held in landscape as has been erroneously reported in some places.
Now I will tell you about my experiences with the phone. Both cameras perform poorly in low light conditions and other than that it's a beast of a phone. Absolutely phenomenal.Strangely enough, I don't hear many people talking about this, actual issue where the phone is not performing as one might realistically expect it to perform.
I got my device on launch day and haven't had one "issue" yet. I have seen and others have noted that some dust can get inside of the phone's case, near the headphone jack. I would consider this another NON-issue as it has not been shown to cause any issues. Furthermore dust frequently gets inside of electronics, that's why the good lord above invented compressed air. Some XDA-ers inhale it then try to find issues with their devices, I will use it to clean my phone in a few months, the same way that I do to my desktop PC or the way my little brother does to his gaming consoles.
It's a terrible phone if you only use it at 45 degree angles, in the dark, while shining a flashlight on it, with the display turned off as you press extra hard on the touchscreen (because YOU believe they are buttons to be pressed and not a screen to be touched), using your phone a mile away from your home router, in landscape while completely covering the top of the phone and watching videos of HTC EVO 3D's performing slightly better and getting jealous.
If you use your phone like a normal end-user or even a power user and NOT a beta tester in a laboratory setting then the phone is amazing.
I rest my case.

Thanks for the info guys. Much appreciated.
[G2/HTC Vision]

That was pretty good statement. +1
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BonesRed speaks the truth

Thanks for the info don't feel so nervous now

Thanks
BonesRed said:
The "build quality" of the phone is fine. There are a few problems associated with being early adopters, that a small fraction of people on XDA have. As far as I know, everyone with major issues had them resolved by returning their phone, in store and getting it replaced on the spot.
There are different displays one bye AUO and one made by Sharp, if you're having trouble and prefer either display you can go in-store and exchange it, after telling them the issues you're having with your phone.
Furthermore many of the so called "issues" with build quality are BS manufactured by XDA-ers. Like:
"If I turn of my screen and hold it at a 45 degree angle while shining a flashlight at it I can see a spec of dust under the screen, I'm really really worried ='("
or my personal favorite:
"When I press down on the buttons on the bottom of my screen I hear a slight creaking sound WTF HTC!?!?"
My personal second favorite is THE LAGGY SENSE ISSUE, which essentially goes like this :
"I saw a video on youtube and the HTC EVO 3D runs the HTC Sense homescreen carousel milliseconds faster and smoother than the HTC Sensation, WTF HTC !!! IS THIS WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR!?!?!?"
- I would like to note that this issue only came into existence after said video made its way to the forums and someone decided that it was an "issue" that a slightly newer phone, with slightly better hardware and a slightly more optimized ROM, ran sense 3.0 slightly better than our phones do at the moment.
- They aren't buttons... this is a touch screen phone and just because they look like buttons doesn't mean that they should be pressed like buttons.
- Wifi-Signal attenuation while holding the phone, in landscape, a particular way IS real, but only if you are far away from your router. ALL phones experience signal attenuation when all or parts of the radios are covered, our phones do not lost Cellular data signal when held in landscape as has been erroneously reported in some places.
Now I will tell you about my experiences with the phone. Both cameras perform poorly in low light conditions and other than that it's a beast of a phone. Absolutely phenomenal.Strangely enough, I don't hear many people talking about this, actual issue where the phone is not performing as one might realistically expect it to perform.
I got my device on launch day and haven't had one "issue" yet. I have seen and others have noted that some dust can get inside of the phone's case, near the headphone jack. I would consider this another NON-issue as it has not been shown to cause any issues. Furthermore dust frequently gets inside of electronics, that's why the good lord above invented compressed air. Some XDA-ers inhale it then try to find issues with their devices, I will use it to clean my phone in a few months, the same way that I do to my desktop PC or the way my little brother does to his gaming consoles.
It's a terrible phone if you only use it at 45 degree angles, in the dark, while shining a flashlight on it, with the display turned off as you press extra hard on the touchscreen (because YOU believe they are buttons to be pressed and not a screen to be touched), using your phone a mile away from your home router, in landscape while completely covering the top of the phone and watching videos of HTC EVO 3D's performing slightly better and getting jealous.
If you use your phone like a normal end-user or even a power user and NOT a beta tester in a laboratory setting then the phone is amazing.
I rest my case.
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thanks man

luis86dr said:
Was wondering if it was worth upgrading from a g2? What do you guys think about it? Let me have some pros and cons before I dish out my booze money I had saved lol.
[G2/HTC Vision]
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You should look into getting the mytouch 4g slide it comes out July 27th it has pretty much the same specs but you won't have to give up your physical keyboard and it can handle T-Mobile HSPA+
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I am not sure what these guys are referring to as having questionable build quality. If anything that would apply to the G2 and that was my last phone...well, right before the G2x horror.
You should be quite happy with the Sensation, if you have nothing against HTC Sense, as it is a very good device. Very good. I am certain it will be bested in some way by another high end Android phone in a few months, or weeks (there's always something new) but I am flat out thrilled to be using one right now.
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Having had HTC HERO and A HTD HD7 I was more of inclined to go for the SENSATION,
But after hovering around both threads decided for the GAlaxy s2 due to better back camera and front camera(2mp) and also for the fact that it came with bootloader unlocked
ANd I guess that was the best decision I made cause of one more reason being....
You can flash the latest firmwares on samsung Devices with ODIN without the NEED TO ROOT which I think is really cool.
I am already on a leaked version of 2.3.4 running beautifully with gtalk video working really great and have not even rooted my phone yet
Just my thoughts.........

Does your phone rattle?

I had returned a defective droid charge with a defective, buzzing earpiece speaker. Before I returned it, I had noticed that it seemed to also rattle... if I held it between my thumb and forefinger with nothing in it (no battery, no SIM, no sd card), I noticed that if I shook it, there was a rattle from the top part seemingly near the earpiece. The new phone has the same problem... does anyone else's phone rattle like that?

This has been discussed previously and we came to the conclusion that it was a part of the sensor in the camera. You should be fine.

Like a rattlesnake! On a serious note, I haven't had this issue so far. Take it to a Verizon store. If its a physical issue like that, they have to replace it plain and simple.

Mine does it too. I'm fairly certain it's normal.

Yep. It's the camera rattling around. Not quite sure if it's a good thing.
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My guess is it is the lens assembly rattling since it has a real focusing lens (versus the generic one-focus-fits-all lenses on older phones). I suspect that it is adjusted by use of an electromagnet assembly and therefore is free to move when it is not activated.

Thanks for the input everyone. I wasn't aware that it was discussed previously, searching didn't turn anything up.
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[Q] Slight Rattling sound within phone?

I just bought my HOX today from a local ATT store. I've been playing with it all day including late into the night when everything was quiet around me, and noticed a slight rattling sound from the top of the phone. After doing some further research, it looks like the camera shutter, the power button, or the volume rocker are possible culprits. I'm tempted to say on my phone it is the camera shutter, based on the concentration of the rattling within the phone body.
Out of curiosity, how many ATT One X owners are experiencing this rattling?

Yes I have the rattling. If you look into the head set jack, you'll see these balls (lol. It what's why look like) they lock the headset in place. That's the rattle.
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Pretty sure its normal, when i had the iphone 4 it was the camera making the noise and it was normal. Light sensor?

It's the auto-focus module, it's normal.
Everyone's should rattle, most HTC phones do it and even the iPhone 4S.

[Q] How many hox have you gone through?

So I am just wondering if I'm just have a run of bad luck. Bought my one x the release day. Few days later started seeing dead pixels all over the screen. Took it to att and they swap it out no problem.
Second one seem fine the first day but then I notice tons of light leakage like the screen wasnt in all the way around the bottom and right side. The screen would also wiggle and make a popping sound if I pressed on it on the bottem left corner, right corner, and top right corner. The plastic on the bottom would also move if I pressed it.
I happen to luck out and found an att close by that had one in (damn you apple). Now this one the screen is clicking even worse than the second one. If I wipe the screen off I can hear it clicking and popping with even the lightest pressure. Also have light leakage across the bottom again and what looks like single dots almost like a dead pixel even though there is no pixel by the buttons where light is shining through the black. I expect to have att replace this one also.
So I was just wondering am I have terrible luck or should I expect this from all hox? I love the device but really wont keep it if I keep getting shotty devices.

That's some pretty bad luck... Still on my first. No problems except for the tiniest bit of bleed on one side, and I cannot over emphasize tiny. Hope it stays that way too.

Still on first as well
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Still on first.
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You must have been on a streak of bad luck for your HOX...

I am currently on my second. The first one had a defect in the upper-right side (near the volume rocker and front-facing camera) where it would very loudly "creak" whenever I picked it up and/or was using it. And the screen/display in that area was "mushy" as I was able to be push the internal casing into the polycarbonate shell a few millimeters without hardly any force at all.
I bought it at Best Buy and when I brought it in I just asked IF it would be considered a defect and they suggested replacing it without me even asking. The second one I got is very solid in comparison to the issues from the first one but the volume rocker does "wiggle" a bit and the bottom (near the microphone) "creaks" but only if I apply direct pressure on it. I understand the nature of how the internal "frame" is placed into the "shell" so I don't think those are issues at all so I am very pleased with the build quality. Also, I keep it in a Otterbox Defender now so I don't even notice either issue at all.

This sucks that I'm having this luck but thanks for the feed back.
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Some of these small creeks or wiggles are somethings that might just need to be accepted. We are too often perfectionists. Not realists.
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cpcrazyfly said:
Some of these small creeks or wiggles are somethings that might just need to be accepted. We are too often perfectionists. Not realists.
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I agree that we can sometimes expect too much.
The One X is unique in it's design in that the "internal frame" that holds the display, screen, motherboard, battery, etc. actually "snaps" into the outer polycarbonate shell, not with screws like almost all other smartphones.
The "creak" that was coming from my first HOX was an undeniable defect, it was so loud the BB employees could hear it over all the crowd noise and it would do that just by handling it normally, not to mention the screen had way too much "give". The "creak" in my second HOX is probably just a "normal" side-effect of the design, as it is very faint and only happens when I try, and I have totally accepted that (as I have already mentioned I see it as a non-issue).
But to be honest, I don't think the consumer should just "accept" flaws and poor build quality, things should not "creak" or "wiggle" (that were never meant to) within a few days of use. Some people can deal with it but we should not have to, so if someone is unhappy with their product then they have every right to exchange it or return it.

I'm on my second, first one swapped for connection issues (had to toggle airplane mode for it to work any time I lost service or was in an area with poor reception)... Only to find out that my second does the exact same thing.. considering swapping again because 1.85 screwed it up even more.
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cpcrazyfly said:
Some of these small creeks or wiggles are somethings that might just need to be accepted. We are too often perfectionists. Not realists.
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I agree that often perfectionist and it's my downfall. I'm ok with the very small light leak I have on this one . But just touching my screen near top and hearing it "pop" just shouldn't happen and afraid it will get worse as time goes on. And seeing as I bought this phone out right I don't feel as if I'm being to unreasonable. I mean I must of traded in 20-35 iPhones in my time for even smaller defects. Going back to the iPhone 3g.
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Uuuummmm..... My HTC does not have any of the problems that people have mentioned in the thread. No bleeding light, creeking noises or pixel issues. Not one single issue. I have even dropped it about 5 times and it skidded about 10 feet each time. Still good as new. Actually the builded quality for me compared to the Sony phone is night and day. Sorry to hear about everyone bad luck. So far its been the best phone that I have owned.
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I will comment that the camera lens is of a stupid design. That lens got scratched in about 5 minutes of ownership. Just lucky that the scratch is not showing up in photos.
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Anyone whose Moto G doesn't rattle cheaply when vibrating?

This thread is just to determine if it's more common for the Moto G to have the cheap-sounding rattle for a vibration (especially noticeable when vibrate-on-touch is enabled) haptic feedback is on), or if that is a less common but not rare exception. Sound off on how your haptic feedback sounds. Recordings welcome!
Mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT8ehijOn_g
(EDIT) I've read elsewhere of someone saying their Moto X all of a sudden started sounding like this rather than a smooth, quiet vibration. Almost as if this is a result of a poorly attached vibration motor or one that has become slightly detached.

My vibration sounds nothing like that. Mine vibrates nicely, a lot better than the other phone's I've had.

SeannyM said:
My vibration sounds nothing like that. Mine vibrates nicely, a lot better than the other phone's I've had.
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Is yours the US verison? Mine is US 16gb

Hi. I have the US version and i have this issue !

Yeah that doesn't sound normal.
Mines sounds cheap but not like a rattle.
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Mine rattles slightly. But it seems to only be for short vibrations like haptic feedback on the keyboard. Longer vibrations like for notifications, it sounds completely normal. The biggest issue I'm having with the G is some light bleed on the LCD screen. But even that is barely noticeable.
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Jooosty said:
Yeah that doesn't sound normal.
Mines sounds cheap but not like a rattle.
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That recording was with the microphone right up against the phone.I made a new recording (I've replaced the original with it) that is maybe a better representation, from a couple inches away instead. It's just so loud. I guess you get what you pay for, and that's one of the cheap components. Although I've read elsewhere of someone saying their Moto X all of a sudden started sounding like this rather than a smooth, quiet vibration. Almost as if this is a result of a poorly attached vibration motor or one that has become slightly detached.

Mine is ok. I have the Brazil version 16G (dual sim).

LudicrousPeed said:
That recording was with the microphone right up against the phone.I made a new recording (I've replaced the original with it) that is maybe a better representation, from a couple inches away instead. It's just so loud. I guess you get what you pay for, and that's one of the cheap components. Although I've read elsewhere of someone saying their Moto X all of a sudden started sounding like this rather than a smooth, quiet vibration. Almost as if this is a result of a poorly attached vibration motor or one that has become slightly detached.
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I took a phone apart (and then returned it's sorry self to Tesco lol)...
The vibration motor is not loose to the board - it is soldered firmly.
The weight is fixed to the shaft of the motor correctly. I attached bits of blutack to the weight - no difference.
The shaft of the motor to which the weight is attached can move up / down a little.
The motor is located right next to the camera, which has moving parts in it (you can hear this on exiting a camera app - an audible click). I wonder if the motor is making something in the camera rattle.
The rattle still happens with the back of the phone and PCB cover removed - so it is something contained in the front part of the phone. To me it sounds more like the vibrate is making the earpiece speaker click.

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I took a phone apart (and then returned it's sorry self to Tesco lol)...
The vibration motor is not loose to the board - it is soldered firmly.
The weight is fixed to the shaft of the motor correctly. I attached bits of blutack to the weight - no difference.
The shaft of the motor to which the weight is attached can move up / down a little.
The motor is located right next to the camera, which has moving parts in it (you can hear this on exiting a camera app - an audible click). I wonder if the motor is making something in the camera rattle.
The rattle still happens with the back of the phone and PCB cover removed - so it is something contained in the front part of the phone. To me it sounds more like the vibrate is making the earpiece speaker click.
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Nicely done! I think you've narrowed it down as far as possible. The answer then is that on at least most devices (since some owners say theirs is perfectly quiet) either the vibration motor is just of poor, toy quality, or there are loose somethings in the camera or elsewhere that get rattled. Thanks for figuring out that it's not the motor itself.

Yea just checked my 16gb us vibrates just fine.
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903tex said:
Yea just checked my 16gb us vibrates just fine.
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I have the same problem. I've had a previous moto g that had a more solid vibration tone, but on the down side the back case was a bit loose on the corner right above the buttons making an annoying noise when pressed. Anyway i sold that one because it was the 8gb version and got a new one with 16gb from amazon.uk. Everything is fine with it with this little exception which i noticed as soon as i was setting it up.
Thing is, is it worth it to bother and try speak with amazon to try and get a new one? It seems likes it's a probability game and chances are there is always gonna be some small detail that won't be perfect. Do you think amazon will even swap it considering the type of fault?

Count me as one of the people with a rattling Moto X. Using the 16GB AT&T version and the rattle is fairly annoying for me. Perhaps I'll open it up this weekend and see if we can locate the problem spot...

I have been experiencing exactly same issue with newly delivered moto g from UK. I feel like it is about something shaking inside the camera. But I'm still not brave enough to tear that down and find what is wrong

Ok, so i asked amazon for a replacement giving this problem as a reason and they sent it right away, no questions asked! The new one arrived a few days later, i packed the old one in the same box and left it at the local post office free of charge.
The new one does not have the vibration problem, so that i got rid of! The buttons of the old one were a bit better though. The volume on this is a bit looser but i can live with that.
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I was able to get inside of the phone (which was actually a pretty simple task). And it is clear that this rattle comes out from bad vibration module. There is nothing inside of the phone what is badly fixed or shaky -- the phone is rock solid, The problem looks to be just in that bad vibration rotor.
I've also asked Moto support about any advise and they said to send phone to them. So i really think that there is no other way than just replace this little noisy thing inside of your phone.

Mine sounds fine
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I have the 16 GB US version and mine is pretty noisy. Doesnt bother me too much and I already rooted so I probably won't be asking for a new one.

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LudicrousPeed said:
This thread is just to determine if it's more common for the Moto G to have the cheap-sounding rattle for a vibration (especially noticeable when vibrate-on-touch is enabled) haptic feedback is on), or if that is a less common but not rare exception. Sound off on how your haptic feedback sounds. Recordings welcome!
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I think the problem is with the buttons man. The power button is somewhat lose on my phone. That should be causing the rattling noise. Check the power button.