Hi all,
I recently upgraded to WM6 (file name is XDA_EXEC_WWE_20202_20307_11500.exe). The results were all good as I really like the new "glass" like interface. However, the camera now has a "2M" option which displays the resolution as 1600x1280 which appears to be one of the few 2meg resolution sepcifications out there. The pictures taken also have the resolution of 1600x1280 and don't appear to be stretched or skewed in any way which would be evident if resolution of a smaller pictures was increased disproportionately. Does this mean that camera's resolution is limited only by software? or is it some kind of glitch?
Any feedback would be most appreciated.
pasan said:
Hi all,
I recently upgraded to WM6 (file name is XDA_EXEC_WWE_20202_20307_11500.exe). The results were all good as I really like the new "glass" like interface. However, the camera now has a "2M" option which displays the resolution as 1600x1280 which appears to be one of the few 2meg resolution sepcifications out there. The pictures taken also have the resolution of 1600x1280 and don't appear to be stretched or skewed in any way which would be evident if resolution of a smaller pictures was increased disproportionately. Does this mean that camera's resolution is limited only by software? or is it some kind of glitch?
Any feedback would be most appreciated.
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Hi,
The Camera CMOS is only capable of 1.3MP, you get 2MP by software interpolating. Basically the CMOS captures a 1.3MP shot and the software resizes and fills in the gaps by guessing what should be there by using complex algorithms to analyze the original picture.
If you want to know more search the Wiki......................wikipedia that is!
Cheers,
Beast
Yes its done by interpolation. Even the old WM5 camera app already has this option.
My Droid Razr HD, according to specification, should have a 8 MP camera. However, in camera Widescreen setting, it only display "6 MP images to match the screen". There is no setting to select 8 MP resolution. Where can I set camera resolution to 8 MP ?
My phone is version 4.1.2 and build number is 9.8.2Q-50-XT925_VQLM-24.
Thanks,
Ching-Ho Cheng
lcc014 said:
My Droid Razr HD, according to specification, should have a 8 MP camera. However, in camera Widescreen setting, it only display "6 MP images to match the screen". There is no setting to select 8 MP resolution. Where can I set camera resolution to 8 MP ?
My phone is version 4.1.2 and build number is 9.8.2Q-50-XT925_VQLM-24.
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On Stock ROM, just "untick" that 6MP option and pictures will be recorded in full size (8MP).
lcc014 said:
My Droid Razr HD, according to specification, should have a 8 MP camera. However, in camera Widescreen setting, it only display "6 MP images to match the screen". There is no setting to select 8 MP resolution. Where can I set camera resolution to 8 MP ?
My phone is version 4.1.2 and build number is 9.8.2Q-50-XT925_VQLM-24.
Thanks,
Ching-Ho Cheng
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The sensor isn't widescreen. So you can either capture the full 8MP non-widescreen picture or a picture cropped to widescreen ratio, which results in 6MP resolution.
Got it, thank you so much.
some producers let the camera show 16MP, however the real resolution is 8MP. Is it also possible to hack the mentioning of horizontal and vertical pixels in gallery, or is it also possible to hack the pixel size even when you copy to computer? If yes, how do I know the real pixel size of a picture or video if the benchmarking apps are hacked and if the picture details information is hacked. Is there a good benchmarking app which is not hacked by the producers so that it says the truth.
Hi everyone. I'd like to know if anybody could get a 48 mp dng file from this phone. It is strange that raw file is only 12 mp. The quality of the 48 mp jpeg image is poor and seems rather an interpolated from 12 mp. How is possible to get a raw file smaller (12mp) than the original (48mp) ? And many camera aps won't give the jpeg 48 mp option but only the 12 mp. Comparing an original jpeg 40 mp from p20 pro with the one that this phone offers, the difference is tremendous on details and structure. Thanks for reading.
non-pro --> fake
pro --> real
TheMrBinary said:
non-pro --> fake
pro --> real
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For what reason then, it won't give a 48 mp dng file? And also you cannot have from 48mp jpeg the option 16:9 ? If it was the stock camera limitation, why then, all other camera apps behave the same way?
Speaking always for pro model.
Kodagf said:
Hi everyone. I'd like to know if anybody could get a 48 mp dng file from this phone. It is strange that raw file is only 12 mp. The quality of the 48 mp jpeg image is poor and seems rather an interpolated from 12 mp. How is possible to get a raw file smaller (12mp) than the original (48mp) ? And many camera aps won't give the jpeg 48 mp option but only the 12 mp. Comparing an original jpeg 40 mp from p20 pro with the one that this phone offers, the difference is tremendous on details and structure. Thanks for reading.
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I did not quite understand what you were saying. The 48MP shots are "real" as Xiaomi claims. For non-stock camera apps, just make sure you have Camera2API option available and enabled to enable 48MP mode. For instance, I enabled the same in Open Camera, and I had the capability to shoot "48MP" in RAW dng format.
And I kinda sorta get what you are trying to say, but I do not know enough about the topic to comment.
Here is one shot from RN7Pro with Open Camera app with Camera2API enabled, saved in jpeg and raw. One is the standard jpeg with resolution 8000 x 6000 and 6MB in size, the other is the dng of the same shot with resolution 3984 x 2984 (11.9 MP) as reported by Photoshop with a file size of 22.9 MB:
JPG: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mKD7i2idv1YBjSFsepTCFShyTJTlPm6t/view?usp=sharing
DNG: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y6Xrez8sjFBP3HWI1__HchVtZ7unBTRr/view?usp=sharing
If you plan to compare the RN7 Pro, which costs as much as an early mid-range device, against the Huawei P20 Pro, which is top tier flagship from last year, then you will definitely be disappointed. One phone costs a couple of times the other. So that comparison does not make sense to me.
For a moment I was happy to hear that you were able to shoot 48 mp in raw dng format with open camera, but then I saw the dng file you posted was only 12 mp (a little less perhaps). So, unfortunately, I still am suspicious about what xiaomi claims for the camera since it is not possible to get 48 mp dng file with any app. The size of such a file should be about 45 mb. The quality of images of not 7 pro is excellent but the details are of 12 mp level. I posted an image from mi note 2 (21mp camera) where you can see the difference in details. I wonder if I get such an image from an older phone what should I expect with a newer with the double size of mp in the sensor. I'm afraid we have to do with a xiaomi's trick ......
Ps. Now I see that system made my image much smaller. 243 kb instead of 12 mb (original). you v\cannot get conclusions this way.. sorry.
I had the idea to post a crop of the original image. Take a look.
Ok, I'll explain.
It's a Quad Bayer sensor, what typically results in lack of raw output availability in case of the full res. That's due to the fact that OEMs assume no app would be able to process non-standard array, else they would have to process it on their own, through utilizing stacking (superres?) or simple remosaic. The latter would result in artifacts or loss of quality.
Because of that, all available raw streams come from binning (pixel "merging").
About the quality tho, it's just a Xiaomi thing. All you can currently do is disable the edge mode and denoising in Open Camera. Then your results might get more detailed, possibly at the cost of color fringing. At least, that's the case with Mi 9.
But about RN7 non-Pro, uhh. It has S5KGM1, which doesn't even support any kind of 48 MP mode, so the 48 MP images from RN7, Oppo F11 Pro, Vivo V15 Pro end up being a placebo.
Sorry that I saw your answer after I started a new thread with the same subject. Thanks for all your info. Still I wonder, why we cannot get a 48mp DNG file with any app, like for example on p20 pro that has the same quad bayer technology. And how is possible to get a 12 mp rawfile, from a 48 mp sensor? With p20 pro we can choose between 40 mp dng or 10 mp jpeg with binning technology. Why this is impossible with RN7pro ?
Another question that I have is that: If all available raw streams come from binning, then the 48mp jpeg from where it comes?
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Another question that I have is that: If all available raw streams come from binning, then the 48mp jpeg from where it comes?
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Sensor mode itself is a raw stream (typically 10 bit), but drivers are constructed in a way that filters out any quad bayer raw access from third party apps. The 48 MP JPEGs come from processing applied on it by the camera stack.
For further data, you can look on Camera2Test and most importantly, "dumpsys media.camera" command. "sensormode" is the keyword you're looking for in case of the latter. Then you'll get a 8000x6000 mode listed with a third number, which means the framerate, probably around 24 fps.
And anyyyway, disable edge mode and denoising in Open Camera if you want to see something about IMX586 with bare eyes.
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Sensor mode itself is a raw stream (typically 10 bit), but drivers are constructed in a way that filters out any quad bayer raw access from third party apps. The 48 MP JPEGs come from processing applied on it by the camera stack.
For further data, you can look on Camera2Test and most importantly, "dumpsys media.camera" command. "sensormode" is the keyword you're looking for in case of the latter. Then you'll get a 8000x6000 mode listed with a third number, which means the framerate, probably around 24 fps.
And any way, disable edge mode and denoising in Open Camera if you want to see something about IMX586 with bare eyes.[/QU
Thanks, I can see what you mean. It's a pity thow, that there is no a 48mp dng file which, in bright light might be very interesting , offering hight level of details.... I guess that with 1,75 f and binning, xiaomi's goal is a brighter image in the shortest shooting time. This kind of images are very good for internet media use, but in a big screen they are worse than images from older phones .
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Kodagf said:
j1505243 said:
Sensor mode itself is a raw stream (typically 10 bit), but drivers are constructed in a way that filters out any quad bayer raw access from third party apps. The 48 MP JPEGs come from processing applied on it by the camera stack.
For further data, you can look on Camera2Test and most importantly, "dumpsys media.camera" command. "sensormode" is the keyword you're looking for in case of the latter. Then you'll get a 8000x6000 mode listed with a third number, which means the framerate, probably around 24 fps.
And any way, disable edge mode and denoising in Open Camera if you want to see something about IMX586 with bare eyes.[/QU
Thanks, I can see what you mean. It's a pity thow, that there is no a 48mp dng file which, in bright light might be very interesting , offering hight level of details.... I guess that with 1,75 f and binning, xiaomi's goal is a brighter image in the shortest shooting time. This kind of images are very good for internet media use, but in a big screen they are worse than images from older phones .
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Well, as said before, try setting edge mode off with denoising off in Open Camera, with Camera2 mode enabled and 48 MP resolution selected. You'll notice a rather good difference, but be aware of the color artifacts. BTW, the best 48 MP outputs available yet are coming from Honor View 20. Maybe Google will outperform that on Pixel 4, but it's just a guess.
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As the title asks, can you set the main cam on this to 12mp mode? Should offer smaller file size and better low light performance)
yes with open camera you can set it to 12Mpx don't tested the quality
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yes with open camera you can set it to 12Mpx don't tested the quality
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Thanks for that. Would you be able to test and post 27MP (main and open cam) and 12MP (open cam)? Would be fascinating to see the differences.