I've been thinking about the possibility of extracting the firmware from a Galaxy Tab 2 (ICS) and merging it with the kernel and build.prop from the 7 Plus (Honeycomb).
Technically I can't think of a reason that it wouldn't work, I'd think that the challenge would be getting the kludged FW back onto a 7 plus.
Would it be a futile effort? Maybe if Samsung releases ICS for the Plus, but who knows when that will be.
I don't have any experience on these two Android device other than in an end user capacity (though I have been reading) and very little on a few other Android devices so I dunno if it's feasible, but I thought I'd mention the idea.
Anyone with deeper experience on these things think it might be viable?
I know the devices have different hardware specs so I don't know if it would meld...
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Technically I can't think of a reason that it wouldn't work, I'd think that the challenge would be getting the kludged FW back onto a 7 plus.
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technically: different hardwares, the ics may need some changes on kernell itself to work, so you may not be able to use hc one.
besides the differences of one device to other is not just encapsulated on kernel, the dalvik virtual machine needs to be ported to every machine depending on aspects.
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fewt said:
Technically I can't think of a reason that it wouldn't work, I'd think that the challenge would be getting the kludged FW back onto a 7 plus.
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technically: different hardwares, the ics may need some changes on kernell itself to work, so you may not be able to use hc one.
besides the differences of one device to other is not just encapsulated on kernel, the dalvik virtual machine needs to be ported to every machine depending on aspects.
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Technically, it shouldn't as kernel interfaces don't change that much between releases. Since both processors are ARM, I wouldn't expect a problem with the Dalvik VM either but I guess I could be wrong there.
Would be interesting to see, but I can tell there isn't any interest in it. I've been trying to find a good reference on where to get started with this stuff, but it just seems like a hodgepodge of information sprawled all over the place.
Anyone have a solid guide to getting started building custom firmware that isn't the great google?
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Technically, it shouldn't as kernel interfaces don't change that much between releases. Since both processors are ARM, I wouldn't expect a problem with the Dalvik VM either but I guess I could be wrong there.
Would be interesting to see, but I can tell there isn't any interest in it. I've been trying to find a good reference on where to get started with this stuff, but it just seems like a hodgepodge of information sprawled all over the place.
Anyone have a solid guide to getting started building custom firmware that isn't the great google?
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I suggest you read the CyanogenMod 9 thread in development as you will experience the same problems porting this over without a working ICS kernel.
Here are some threads I've found useful on porting and building from source:
http://www.iphoneandroidtips.org/miui/how-to-port-miui-v4-to-android-phones/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1153233
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1499411
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1169570
http://forums.androidcentral.com/ht...how-build-your-own-kernel-package-source.html
http://source.android.com/source/index.html
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Building_Kernel_from_source
These threads are for all different models of phones and the methods may or may not work for our tablets but the principles are pretty much the same. In the instance of porting over MIUI 4 you have to start with a working CM9 ROM as it requires a working AOSP ICS kernel, which we don't have yet. Our devs are working their butts off trying to port one over from another device but its slow going without the proper source code that Samsung won't release.
I would think if it were as easy as combining the two, who would need XDA?
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I suggest you read the CyanogenMod 9 thread in development as you will experience the same problems porting this over without a working ICS kernel.
Here are some threads I've found useful on porting and building from source:
http://www.iphoneandroidtips.org/miui/how-to-port-miui-v4-to-android-phones/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1153233
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1499411
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1169570
http://forums.androidcentral.com/ht...how-build-your-own-kernel-package-source.html
http://source.android.com/source/index.html
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Building_Kernel_from_source
These threads are for all different models of phones and the methods may or may not work for our tablets but the principles are pretty much the same. In the instance of porting over MIUI 4 you have to start with a working CM9 ROM as it requires a working AOSP ICS kernel, which we don't have yet. Our devs are working their butts off trying to port one over from another device but its slow going without the proper source code that Samsung won't release.
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This is awesome, I really appreciate you taking the time to write it up.
I hope you have success, either way you will learn, that's why we bought our android for.
I think there's a lot of interest, but this thing is dangerous, lots of devs have their devices bricked trying port or improve,.
My advice is not of an android developer, but of someone that has some experience of customizing or compiling the Linux Kernel. any little thing you forget render you with a system that will not boot. And even if they use the same kernel, ics may need some things activated that hc may not
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/15/touchwizzed-ice-cream-sandwich-leaks-for-samsung-galaxy-s-ii/
any brave devs?
I think we should wait our rom officially release...there not much talented dev on this tab forum.. We should wait bit more
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Since there is no Development per say, Im moving this to General.
Thread moved.
At least Sammy is working on this which is good, but the ROM is in very alpha stage...
Is there development of ICS on the 8.9 or 10.1 forums? You would need an ICS kernel of some type to even begin porting, if the other tabs have one that may work for the 7 too with some tweaking. Not sure if a kernel for a phone will even work on a tablet. ROMs I have some experience building, kernels I do not.
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Is there development of ICS on the 8.9 or 10.1 forums? You would need an ICS kernel of some type to even begin porting, if the other tabs have one that may work for the 7 too with some tweaking. Not sure if a kernel for a phone will even work on a tablet. ROMs I have some experience building, kernels I do not.
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I'm pretty sure our tabs run off an entirely different chipset as well.
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true, would be a pain I'm sure. ICS will be released soon enough.. I hope...
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I'm pretty sure our tabs run off an entirely different chipset as well.
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I think you'd have to find a ICS kernel for the exynos processor in the 7 not sure if the current Honeycomb kernel would even work. Porting itself is basically taking the system and boot images off of your current device and replacing the ones in the ROM you want to port with them. The easiest ports are from devices with similar hardware. For the more difficult ports getting things like the sdcard to mount and wifi and bluetooth working can be a ***** and takes some expertise. Way beyond what I could do. I know enough to make ROMs using the kitchen and how to insert premade mods into them and also a little about decompiling and modding apks. All the info is pretty much on this site scattered about in different forums. I've been hesitant to even try anything with my Tab as you can easily brick it playing around I'm not familar enough with it to get it back if I even soft bricked it. My phone has an unlocked bootloader and I can recover it from pretty much any disaster. This thing I'm not even sure how it all works yet, samsung devices are totally new to me.
Would it be possible to port a JB rom for the nexus s to the Samsung Infuse 4G? I'm new to all the development stuff, all though I have been flashing roms and such to many devices for a while. I understand most of the simple development stuff, but I know hardly, if anything, about porting roms to other devices. I don't think it would be possible, seeing as they are two completely different devices, but anything is possible. Just doesn't mean its very probable. So go easy on me.
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You'd be better off asking the Infuse devs, I doubt any NS dev is going to be able to do anything to help you since they don't have the device to work on. The hardware is pretty similar so it could be doable but you're definitely going about it the wrong way.
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Would it be possible to port a JB rom for the nexus s to the Samsung Infuse 4G? I'm new to all the development stuff, all though I have been flashing roms and such to many devices for a while. I understand most of the simple development stuff, but I know hardly, if anything, about porting roms to other devices. I don't think it would be possible, seeing as they are two completely different devices, but anything is possible. Just doesn't mean its very probable. So go easy on me.
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it is probably possible but you are likely to run into numerous errors, that is if you even get it to boot !
we just recently got jelly bean a few days ago and it is still improving so using that as base would likely result in a very unstable port.. but you are welcome to give it a try and see how it goes. the worst that can happen is having to go back to stock
if you happen to have a capable PC, you might want to try building your own rom from source! it should be a great learning experience and is much more likely to work compared to a port
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Would it be possible to port a JB rom for the nexus s to the Samsung Infuse 4G? I'm new to all the development stuff, all though I have been flashing roms and such to many devices for a while. I understand most of the simple development stuff, but I know hardly, if anything, about porting roms to other devices. I don't think it would be possible, seeing as they are two completely different devices, but anything is possible. Just doesn't mean its very probable. So go easy on me.
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not sure about porting but there is a working JB rom on the Dev section
galaxy s line
i believe you'd actually be closer by using the CM10 for the fascinate that just landed yesterday, but i digress. the JB CM10 in the dev section is working better than CM9 for me.
I would definitely like to learn how to build a rom from source. But isn't there a lot of coding involved in that process? If there is, I would have to learn all that as I go. And I'm also going to check the development section right now, as soon as I post this reply. Seeing as I have a Nexus S and not an Infuse(my girlfriend does), I don't check this forum that often. Thank you all for the replies.
There are a few guides around that tell you how to set up the building environment on your PC, and how to sync repos and build for your device.
The complicated part might be fixing errors in your build , but thats how we all learn
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Is anyone working on a CM10 port?
First things first:
Lets get some working TW roms and kernels first.
And after that I am sure CM10 will come considering we have 2 or more maintainers with notes. So it will come, just patience is key
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First things first:
Lets get some working TW roms and kernels first.
And after that I am sure CM10 will come considering we have 2 or more maintainers with notes. So it will come, just patience is key
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TW roms?
Anyway i cant wait till run CM10 it will really speed up the tablet.
Beukhof1 said:
TW roms?
Anyway i cant wait till run CM10 it will really speed up the tablet.
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TouchWiz Roms.
I'd rather keep touchwiz as it will most likely get rid of the pen capabilities if we move to CM10.
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TouchWiz Roms.
I'd rather keep touchwiz as it will most likely get rid of the pen capabilities if we move to CM10.
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This is not true at all, ICS introduced stylus APIs and I'm pretty sure that most stylus apps use those APIs instead of using device specific SDKs like the S Pen SDK. Obviously you'll lose S Note but I think third party apps are probably better for power users.
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This is not true at all, ICS introduced stylus APIs and I'm pretty sure that most stylus apps use those APIs instead of using device specific SDKs like the S Pen SDK. Obviously you'll lose S Note but I think third party apps are probably better for power users.
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I 'm more talking about the multiscreen feature and stuff like taking snapshots with it. Im not doubting it will work but we will lose features.
I'm less interested in a rom than I am in a kernel which will allow overclocking.
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First things first:
Lets get some working TW roms and kernels first.
And after that I am sure CM10 will come considering we have 2 or more maintainers with notes. So it will come, just patience is key
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At least two Samsung device maintainers with Notes (well, one with an N8013 in possession, one with an N8000 on order), and I think a few other CM team people have devices too.
However, the Samsung kernel source is slightly jacked up - any kernel built with it seems to have derped wifi that is unreliable as hell. (Either that, or it's a problem with MY setup - no one else has tried to build from source yet it seems.) I really want to try and fix this before I start CM bringup. If I don't succeed by this weekend I'm going to give up on the N8013 source release and hope that the I9300 kernel results in a saner system...
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At least two Samsung device maintainers with Notes (well, one with an N8013 in possession, one with an N8000 on order), and I think a few other CM team people have devices too.
However, the Samsung kernel source is slightly jacked up - any kernel built with it seems to have derped wifi that is unreliable as hell. (Either that, or it's a problem with MY setup - no one else has tried to build from source yet it seems.) I really want to try and fix this before I start CM bringup. If I don't succeed by this weekend I'm going to give up on the N8013 source release and hope that the I9300 kernel results in a saner system...
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Awesome cannot wait for CM. I'm missing cm10 a ton having gotten used to it on my prime. Cm10 on the note should absolutely fly because I still think cm10 on the prime is faster than stock on the note
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At least two Samsung device maintainers with Notes (well, one with an N8013 in possession, one with an N8000 on order), and I think a few other CM team people have devices too.
However, the Samsung kernel source is slightly jacked up - any kernel built with it seems to have derped wifi that is unreliable as hell. (Either that, or it's a problem with MY setup - no one else has tried to build from source yet it seems.) I really want to try and fix this before I start CM bringup. If I don't succeed by this weekend I'm going to give up on the N8013 source release and hope that the I9300 kernel results in a saner system...
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Quick question: where can I read more about the bringup process/porting CM to a new device? Also, is there any place where you dump your thoughts as you work on things like this (IRC channel, etc). I want to learn because I think I can help. I have pretty good programming and electronics experience. I've built CyanogenMod for several of my devices but of course this was after the port was already completed.
Is this first post more or less accurate? http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/15492-general-cyanogenmod-porting-discussion/
Also, what distinguishes AOSP kernels from stock kernels? On my other Samsung devices I notice there's always a distinction between kernels that work on stock based ROMs vs kernels that work on AOSP ROMs. Which is kind of counter to what that post says, because how would you then boot a generic build with a stock kernel?
Sorry for the random questions, I've just wondered about this for a long time and never really owned a device immediately after it came out so I never got to properly see the bringup process. Thanks for all your work!
I personally really hate the TW roms... i just really like the cleanness of the CM10 roms.
So, i opened this therad because there no persons pushing and Developing custom AOSP Roms for the Galaxy Tab 3.
I'm opening it here because the Android Developing forum is a bit AFK.
Also, my first question is,
Why we are not using the Android x86 source, put a little bit from samsung open source and Tab 3 binaries it, and compile it?
Its so hard?
We are the xda-developers, we can do it!
Curious..
superboom said:
Also, my first question is,
Why we are not using the Android x86 source, put a little bit from samsung open source and Tab 3 binaries it, and compile it?
Its so hard?
We are the xda-developers, we can do it!
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Yes, I'm asking myself the same, the Galaxy Tab 3 is such a famous device and out since July, but still there are nearly no ROMs out. Are there any ROMs planned or will this device soon be moved to the low activity section? CyanogenMod officially supported the Galaxy tab and the galaxy tab 2, but it doesn't seem like they are planning to support the galaxy tab 3?
Is there a special reason for that?, I'm just wondering?
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Yes, I'm asking myself the same, the Galaxy Tab 3 is such a famous device and out since July, but still there are nearly no ROMs out. Are there any ROMs planned or will this device soon be moved to the low activity section? CyanogenMod officially supported the Galaxy tab and the galaxy tab 2, but it doesn't seem like they are planning to support the galaxy tab 3?
Is there a special reason for that?, I'm just wondering?
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you know why we need developers who want to put some time in this device and at the moment we don't have much dev's around here so wait...
Willing to get my hands dirty...
safariking said:
you know why we need developers who want to put some time in this device and at the moment we don't have much dev's around here so wait...
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The most device development I've done to date has been a simple android app, but I'm willing to get dirty on this one. I just came into possession of one of these devices over xmas, and I never let a good device go to waste. I do have 17 years of programming experience in multiple languages including C++ and Java, and a lot of web-based languages, so I'm hoping to come up to speed relatively quickly.
I'll poke around here and on the net over the next few days and see if I can teach myself, but if someone could point me in the direction of some quick start tutorials for building custom roms, I'll get started.
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AnthonyAlmighty said:
The most device development I've done to date has been a simple android app, but I'm willing to get dirty on this one. I just came into possession of one of these devices over xmas, and I never let a good device go to waste. I do have 17 years of programming experience in multiple languages including C++ and Java, and a lot of web-based languages, so I'm hoping to come up to speed relatively quickly.
I'll poke around here and on the net over the next few days and see if I can teach myself, but if someone could point me in the direction of some quick start tutorials for building custom roms, I'll get started.
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Anthony, I think one thing that is holding people back on this device is a good recovery. The ones available now are painfully slow. I'm guessing there is some power saving mode on the x86 chip that needs to be tweaked to get it performing well. Once that was fixed, it would be a lot easier to experiment with ROMs. -- Bud
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Anthony and all, hi and hello. Thinking of shaking the rust off, as I also just came into possession of a GTab3, 10.1 inch, over this holiday season. I haven't built anything in a long time, but anyone who ran a Vibrant a couple years ago around here, should recognize my handle. I maintained a rom for the Vibrant for quite a while, from Froyo to ICS, then life got busy.
Popping into here today, I'm kinda sad to see there's not much if any in the way of development on this device. Happy to have root, thats a start. cduced was right, we do need a better recovery option, at least one that is faster, though what we have now is workable. TWRP may be slow, but it's something. We were always hung up on doing pure aosp source build for the Vibrant, because Sammy is not known for making their kernel source easily and readily available. Working from an existing zip to kang it is easy, but really thats just the same rom, maybe stripped and repackaged. A source build is the desirable outcome.
Though I haven't begun looking into things for this baby yet, and my adb and build tools are far out of date, I am very interested in working towards a better set of options for this device. 4.2.2 still? I can't believe Sammy hasn't released a 4.3 update, that's sad, but goes to show the lack of support they give their devices, to anyone who's been there you know, but you also know, determined devs can make it a better world.
Anthony, and anyone else interested in trying to improve this device, feel free to PM me, I'm thinkin' we should make a Google Hangout or something, make it easier to communicate.
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Anthony and all, hi and hello. Thinking of shaking the rust off, as I also just came into possession of a GTab3, 10.1 inch, over this holiday season. I haven't built anything in a long time, but anyone who ran a Vibrant a couple years ago around here, should recognize my handle. I maintained a rom for the Vibrant for quite a while, from Froyo to ICS, then life got busy.
Popping into here today, I'm kinda sad to see there's not much if any in the way of development on this device. Happy to have root, thats a start. cduced was right, we do need a better recovery option, at least one that is faster, though what we have now is workable. TWRP may be slow, but it's something. We were always hung up on doing pure aosp source build for the Vibrant, because Sammy is not known for making their kernel source easily and readily available. Working from an existing zip to kang it is easy, but really thats just the same rom, maybe stripped and repackaged. A source build is the desirable outcome.
Though I haven't begun looking into things for this baby yet, and my adb and build tools are far out of date, I am very interested in working towards a better set of options for this device. 4.2.2 still? I can't believe Sammy hasn't released a 4.3 update, that's sad, but goes to show the lack of support they give their devices, to anyone who's been there you know, but you also know, determined devs can make it a better world.
Anthony, and anyone else interested in trying to improve this device, feel free to PM me, I'm thinkin' we should make a Google Hangout or something, make it easier to communicate.
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Hey I want aosp on this device too! At the very least, id like a custom kernel that I can overclock to reduce lag. Ive never created a rom, but I dont think roms are the issue...id be interested in porting roms that already exists...x-note for multiwindow features, or pac-rom for a highly customized device.
Are you still up for the projects? Lets heat these forums up!!!
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Hey I want aosp on this device too! At the very least, id like a custom kernel that I can overclock to reduce lag. Ive never created a rom, but I dont think roms are the issue...id be interested in porting roms that already exists...x-note for multiwindow features, or pac-rom for a highly customized device.
Are you still up for the projects? Lets heat these forums up!!!
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Thanks guys for give it a try, I'm like the other owner don't understand why there is no interest for this devise didn't check before buy and now start to regret
Meteore said:
Thanks guys for give it a try, I'm like the other owner don't understand why there is no interest for this devise didn't check before buy and now start to regret
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There are some devs now they just relesed 2 but there tw based there trying it just takes awile because of lack of devs.
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There are some devs now they just relesed 2 but there tw based there trying it just takes awile because of lack of devs.
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It's ok I have already seen and tried them :laugh:. I understand the concept of work on something new and the lack of dev it's just that I was surprised because I thought tab 3 was like the others tabs so the development was more evolve.no problem.
Not to knock it, but whats been released in the threads, is nothing more than the deodexed build already up there, with some bloat removed. Even the install scripts have, or had, the same text as the original. So really, nothing new. I am looking into possibly kernel cooking for this device, that seems like a good point to start.
No promises at this point, I'm looking into it though.
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Not to knock it, but whats been released in the threads, is nothing more than the deodexed build already up there, with some bloat removed. Even the install scripts have, or had, the same text as the original. So really, nothing new. I am looking into possibly kernel cooking for this device, that seems like a good point to start.
No promises at this point, I'm looking into it though.
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This is true but there is finally a bit of interest and may come up with some new goodies..... the reason they all have the same updater.script is because of the recoveries.... they need a little more work to get them to work with the x86 architecture
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Br1cK'd said:
Not to knock it, but whats been released in the threads, is nothing more than the deodexed build already up there, with some bloat removed. Even the install scripts have, or had, the same text as the original. So really, nothing new. I am looking into possibly kernel cooking for this device, that seems like a good point to start.
No promises at this point, I'm looking into it though.
Truth, Zen4 Style
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Hey PM me with any test builds of the kernels please.
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I think someone has to pm restl3ss!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49126542&postcount=90
Let's see what can we do here!
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I think someone has to pm restl3ss!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49126542&postcount=90
Let's see what can we do here!
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Dont understand your post.... the link goes to one of his posts
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Because in this post (if i'm not wrong) he tells that is making a recovery with 4 guys more.
something needed here xD.
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Because in this post (if i'm not wrong) he tells that is making a recovery with 4 guys more.
something needed here xD.
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Lol.... I see yeah... I am also in the process of building recovery but its a long time coming. Right now im reading a lot of material on how to build from source as that the route of the prob. Its this damb x86 architecture
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Maybe.... we can port something from here
http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/micromax/
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If anyone have time, pm me and we can discuss about. I'm not a developer, but we can discuss ideas how to bring cm to the device
Hoping this is the right section since its not device specific.
Experienced or not, it doesn't matter. I've been on XDA for a number of years. And am noticing things from my own experience and talking to others. Its hard to get help sometimes. Not all devs want to talk. Teach. Or help people all the time. Devices are being dropped from support. Maintainers are leaving the scene. Currently I have an Oreo and pie ROM for s6e+ and note 5. With the list of devices being dropped, and surprising amount of people reaching out to me for support, I decided it may be beneficial to recruit a few people who want to develop ROMs. This is a great chance to learn. I would like to pick up at least partial support for several more devices, and need some help to do it. My goal in this endeavor is to continue to provide ROMs to people who need them, while teaching other users to develop. This will help to bring fresh life to the scene, and allow support for more devices to be added. If you are interested reply below or inbox me. There is a google hangouts set up, and other methods of team communication will follow. I also have a home server with a 24/7 connection and no data limits on my internet, and an ftp set up to host files directly and not need third party sites.
so basically you have good intentions, no plan and a home server )
what we really need is a unification of all the different but not really different roms and their devs,
then its possible to see a future for long term support for all devices, or at least many.
anyhting else is jsut another project that will or will not die, based on good will and free time of the maintainer, mostly not even reckognized
due to the chaos of fragmented android and even more fragmented custom rom scene.
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Hoping this is the right section since its not device specific.
Experienced or not, it doesn't matter. I've been on XDA for a number of years. And am noticing things from my own experience and talking to others. Its hard to get help sometimes. Not all devs want to talk. Teach. Or help people all the time. Devices are being dropped from support. Maintainers are leaving the scene. Currently I have an Oreo and pie ROM for s6e+ and note 5. With the list of devices being dropped, and surprising amount of people reaching out to me for support, I decided it may be beneficial to recruit a few people who want to develop ROMs. This is a great chance to learn. I would like to pick up at least partial support for several more devices, and need some help to do it. My goal in this endeavor is to continue to provide ROMs to people who need them, while teaching other users to develop. This will help to bring fresh life to the scene, and allow support for more devices to be added. If you are interested reply below or inbox me. There is a google hangouts set up, and other methods of team communication will follow. I also have a home server with a 24/7 connection and no data limits on my internet, and an ftp set up to host files directly and not need third party sites.
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I respect your Idea but I don't think something like this is required.You see I had been using linux for 4+ years and was pretty adapted to it when I switched to a Note 3.Recently I discovered the Modding part of it and the huge development of custom roms and kernels.and despite having no clue what I was doing I could easily develop a Kernel without a hassle.I went even one step further and made a halium port for it.Sure it didn't boot the first time but by using methods on xda already discussed in detail I was able to make it work.So,the main thing is that someone like me who has no experience could make a ROM in 3 hours without any complications(Except those who could be solved by googling).Then anybody could do it.Currently there isn't a ROM bug or a issue that hasn't been discussed on either xda or other android development sites.But that doesn't mean we shouldn't help newcomers.But it is rare for someone to look on the other side of development and there is enough documentations for him to do it.Maybe too much.qq
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Atifbaig786 said:
I respect your Idea but I don't think something like this is required.You see I had been using linux for 4+ years and was pretty adapted to it when I switched to a Note 3.Recently I discovered the Modding part of it and the huge development of custom roms and kernels.and despite having no clue what I was doing I could easily develop a Kernel without a hassle.I went even one step further and made a halium port for it.Sure it didn't boot the first time but by using methods on xda already discussed in detail I was able to make it work.So,the main thing is that someone like me who has no experience could make a ROM in 3 hours without any complications(Except those who could be solved by googling).Then anybody could do it.Currently there isn't a ROM bug or a issue that hasn't been discussed on either xda or other android development sites.But that doesn't mean we shouldn't help newcomers.But it is rare for someone to look on the other side of development and there is enough documentations for him to do it.Maybe too much.qq
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You can't just make a ROM for any device is 3 hours. It doesn't always work that way. Especially not if building from source
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You can't just make a ROM for any device is 3 hours. It doesn't always work that way. Especially not if building from source
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I just followed a guide.On an XL VPS. With maybe 22GB ram and 16 xeon cores
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Atifbaig786 said:
I just followed a guide.On an XL VPS. With maybe 22GB ram and 16 xeon cores
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I don't disagree sometimes it is easy. But what if lineage or GitHub don't have all necessary files for the build? And then you need to extract them from your phone manually, or if build won't boot up and needs modifications to the kernel.. fixing drivers that do not work. It's not always so simple as build, flash and finish.
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I don't disagree sometimes it is easy. But what if lineage or GitHub don't have all necessary files for the build? And then you need to extract them from your phone manually, or if build won't boot up and needs modifications to the kernel.. fixing drivers that do not work. It's not always so simple as build, flash and finish.
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I did face issues.The End of the guide covered the basics of logging stuff and finding things.They were just as same as debugging a linux OS but yeah you're right as I did face the extracting files(dunno what was supposed to do).So I wrote "extract proprietary vendor code from ROM" and boom lineage gave it to me.Also the guide was only for devices that exist on lineage and sometimes we need to start from scratch.And maybe We both are,Who knows what the future might bring,BTW have you heard about Google's new Boy Fuchisa or something like that.I wanted to talk someone in the field of development about this but nobody was bringing up the non-linux version of Google's OS for smartphones.
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Atifbaig786 said:
I did face issues.The End of the guide covered the basics of logging stuff and finding things.They were just as same as debugging a linux OS but yeah you're right as I did face the extracting files(dunno what was supposed to do).So I wrote "extract proprietary vendor code from ROM" and boom lineage gave it to me.Also the guide was only for devices that exist on lineage and sometimes we need to start from scratch.And maybe We both are,Who knows what the future might bring,BTW have you heard about Google's new Boy Fuchisa or something like that.I wanted to talk someone in the field of development about this but nobody was bringing up the non-linux version of Google's OS for smartphones.
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Yes I heard about it. I stumbled across it by accident looking for a way to shim the s6 edge plus cam on my pie rom. It lead me to reading about vulkan, which showed me a new Google os. It looks nice
godkingofcanada said:
Yes I heard about it. I stumbled across it by accident looking for a way to shim the s6 edge plus cam on my pie rom. It lead me to reading about vulkan, which showed me a new Google os. It looks nice
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Well It seems that it uses a Different type of kernel "microkernel".For someone as stupid as me I don't get it what was the difference between a microkernel and monolithic one on an android device(or a low powered arm processor based board that has a screen attached to it)Will it be performance,Faster loading,Efficiency.I can find a million articles on microkernel vs monolithic but they are in latin for me.But you can just give me the crash course in maybe 3-4 lines.
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Atifbaig786 said:
Well It seems that it uses a Different type of kernel "microkernel".For someone as stupid as me I don't get it what was the difference between a microkernel and monolithic one on an android device(or a low powered arm processor based board that has a screen attached to it)Will it be performance,Faster loading,Efficiency.I can find a million articles on microkernel vs monolithic but they are in latin for me.But you can just give me the crash course in maybe 3-4 lines.
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Device drivers, protocol, file systems moved from kernel to user. It's got less code, more lightweight. And it was created with embedded systems in mind. In theory it should be faster, and more suited to small devices like phones with embedded systems. Giving devices their own dedicated kernel finally instead of butchering a Linux kernel to suit their device needs. It's also universal in terms of cross platform
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Device drivers, protocol, file systems moved from kernel to user. It's got less code, more lightweight. And it was created with embedded systems in mind. In theory it should be faster, and more suited to small devices like phones with embedded systems. Giving devices their own dedicated kernel finally instead of butchering a Linux kernel to suit their device needs. It's also universal in terms of cross platform
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Now that's more like it.I was afraid that android was finally going to commit close source(or suicicde).But since it's open source and I hear good things from you and 4 other guys who have experience in doing stuff I think,Hope and Pray that it might be a good change.Also thanks for using plain English and being a Open guy.Currently I am thinking that 5 years from now someone gonna run into this post and have a little smirk on his face for you who is reading this,Quote and tell me was it good?Was we good?
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Atifbaig786 said:
Now that's more like it.I was afraid that android was finally going to commit close source(or suicicde).But since it's open source and I hear good things from you and 4 other guys who have experience in doing stuff I think,Hope and Pray that it might be a good change.Also thanks for using plain English and being a Open guy.Currently I am thinking that 5 years from now someone gonna run into this post and have a little smirk on his face for you who is reading this,Quote and tell me was it good?Was we good?
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I think the changes appear good. Less stuff locked away in private, more easily accessible to all. Treble has the vendor stuff available to roms that aren't stock, this will make the kernel tiny and easy to build. One by one the barriers people have to overcome to build their own roms are being taken away.