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I just saw the new HTC Touch Pro 2. But as usually, it is not perfect. It is always missing some specs.
So I build one as I think could be a perfect devise. The name is HTC Touch Pro 3.
What do you think if this devise was on sale?
Have a look on the specs at: http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda
Marcus Tavares said:
What do you think if this devise was on sale?
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I think it would cost at least £1000 SIM-free and, frankly, wouldn't sell to most people, simply because of the price.
All the Touch-Pro-2 needs really is a 3.5mm headphone socket.
Like the one they put on the Touch HD, damnit!
Best things in it:
- OLED display
- the projector. Build in a tripod and the TV output is not so important.
What it lacks:
- 50-200mm F/1.8 lens with image stabilization.
- Windows Mobile with CE Core 6.0.
But they won't build such a device, because it would satisfy most people for about 5 years.
kosherpig said:
But they won't build such a device, because it would satisfy most people for about 5 years.
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I think this is the REAL PROBLEM here. All they could think of is how to squeeze more money from us.
Htc is trying to rip us off. I mean why can't they just focus on a particular phone like the iphone and build on it till its perfect. Instead they release all these new phones with the same features and slight difference and charge u an arm and a leg and i can just buy an iphone for $200usd. I mean what the hell is wron with those idiots at htc. I need to buy some shares and have a say in that company because clearly they a great at creating but horrible at business.
12.1MP camera.
Lol it would be 12.1 mp of blur.
the problem with HTC
do u guys realize the software support for HTC sucks big time? For example I have a HTC Advantage. They could have improved the video playback of the G-sensor. Instead they just ignored it and went on selling other new products.
I agree the cost might be too high. The 3.5mm headphone socket I don't need as I use the Motorola S9-HD but I agree it is important.
If I need to chose one item it will be the camera. 3.1 is defenetly low for a device is comming in the middle of 2009 and in the mean time lots of competitors like Samsung OmniaHD, Nokia N97 and others are comming with better camera.
3?! 2 won't even be out for a few months.
dortyboy said:
Htc is trying to rip us off. I mean why can't they just focus on a particular phone like the iphone and build on it till its perfect. Instead they release all these new phones with the same features and slight difference and charge u an arm and a leg and i can just buy an iphone for $200usd. I mean what the hell is wron with those idiots at htc. I need to buy some shares and have a say in that company because clearly they a great at creating but horrible at business.
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HTC release devices like the TP2 for those that need a keyboard, the Diamond for those that want something small, the HD for those that want films etc. They've realised there is no perfect device, so why not make something for everyone?
Also, those complaining about incremental improvements, look at the iPhone. So, the second gen has 3G. Which it should have had the first time around. That's about the only new thing hardware wise.
Also, no one is forcing you to by HTC. If you love the iPhone so much, go and buy one, and regret it.
I read your specs, and while it is good to dream, even maybe hint at a potential HTC engineer what to do next...you should also keep in mind some physical constraints, so here are my few remarks ;-)
a screen of 10 cm of diagonal, and a 5 way dpad seems very difficult to fit in a 59x116mm device. Your screen is 85mm high, add 2*2mm for borders, 7mm up for the front camera and loudspeaker, and u have 10mm to fit a 5 way dpad... difficult! and a zoom bar? forget it ;-)
Fitting an optical zoom in a 17 mm thick device? difficult, u would need to use 45 degree mirror to angle the zoom/captor 90 degree (it will be set in the width of the device)...and then u can forget about the projector...
Also, such arangements (optical zoom OR microprojector) would change the physical layout of your device. Basically, it would look more like the G1 than the touch pro, the DPAD/zoom bar should stay fixed with regard to keyboard to have some room to fit those devices.
USB3 is not supported by snapdragon, so this is not possible (additional control chip is not possible, for space and energy usage reasons)
same for wimax and 802.11n wifi...not sure it support 1080P output either, I think it is 720p. Recording in 1080P/30fps is certainly out of reach of the snapdragon...but even if it could do it, no way u could use such a resolution with the small lens in anything less than bright sunlight or studio lighting. and even then, i am not sure it would be better than 720P. 1080P camcoders need a significant lens opening, you need a lot of photons to get an acceptable signal/noise at 30 fps with so many pixels...
scroll wheel would be very nice! I wonder why this has faded from all current smartphones, it was popular at one time, and for good reasons: some kind of side control is great for navigating in lists, webpage or ebooks...So yes, here I am 100% with you: it is time for a comeback
And last: I think it is not possible to fit a 2100 mAh battery given the size of the device and the presence of a physical keyboard: it would have to be thicker..or without keyboard...batteries with higher energy density could allow it, but they are not available right now, and hoping for such a significant progress would push your dream device to long term future ;-)
Marcus Tavares said:
I agree the cost might be too high. The 3.5mm headphone socket I don't need as I use the Motorola S9-HD but I agree it is important.
If I need to chose one item it will be the camera. 3.1 is defenetly low for a device is comming in the middle of 2009 and in the mean time lots of competitors like Samsung OmniaHD, Nokia N97 and others are comming with better camera.
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3 megapixels is enough for amateur photography, especially in mobile phone
I prefer less megapixel with less noise than the opposite.
Do you make prints bigger than 20x30cm (8x12in.) ?
I did 20x30cm prints from 3mpix DSLR camera (Sigma SD9) and quality was very good...
Regards,
Adam
Nice, but for the vid recording, how about CCD, its better than CMOS apparantly, and make the image quality really high, as that is what makes a photo look nicer. And seriously, a dream phone should have UMTS 850/900/1700/1900/2100, which is what the XPERIA should have had.
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Nice, but for the vid recording, how about CCD, its better than CMOS apparantly, and make the image quality really high, as that is what makes a photo look nicer. And seriously, a dream phone should have UMTS 850/900/1700/1900/2100, which is what the XPERIA should have had.
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I think multi-purposes camera are going back to CMOS. From what I understand, CMOS suffered from image non-uniformity...but this has been mostly solved. On the other hand, CMOS decrease price of supporting circuitry, but also allows for faster framerates. So the new photo/video camera with high framerate video recording (30fps/60fps/even more for slow motion) are going back to CMOS...
Oh, ok, thanks for the info man!
dream device= touch pro with faster cpu in a kaiser body.
i just have to have soft keys.
Dream device
1 ghz processor
3.5" screen
Universal unbeatable form factor: Microlap top-pda
great keyboard
Waiting for Phone after Touch Pro 2
I bought the Mogul in 8/07 and the Touch Pro 1 in 10/08 and don't see the need to jump at the Touch Pro 2 for $500-$600 with only minor improvements, even if I can sell (which I always do) my TP1 on ebay. I'll wait for the phone after the TP 2 from HTC that has:
-WM 7
-5 MP camera
-better battery life
-700+ MHz processor
-4GB ROM
-1GB RAM
-etc., etc.
Going from the TP 1 to TP 2 is a waste of money IMHO and everyone making the jump won't be able to get the 2 year contract discount which is still $400 with it. I'll put my $400 to the next upgrade due in late 2010 or early 2011. I'm good with Mighty ROM 6...LOL
orb3000 said:
Dream device
1 ghz processor
3.5" screen
Universal unbeatable form factor: Microlap top-pda
great keyboard
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Add TV-Out or a projector and I'll dish out $ for that, as long as it'll have att 3G (preferably unbranded)
Touch Pro3
Android or Webos
Cortex A8 Processor or Snapdragon/tegra.
same form factor+headphone jack
slightly larger screen because of the omission of the zoom bar.
same screen resolution.
i tried to be realistic because all these things are possible right now not some fantasy device. (with the exception of licensing Webos or just building it for Palm)
With the advent of Android 3.0 ("Gingerbread"), can we all agree..? (Do chime in)
This posting is really @ALLHeadset Makers, but I'd like ppl's opinions. Will they listen? Who knows?
Okay, so it's been "leaked" (which I really consider to be "strategic information divulgence") that Android 3.0 ...
# Minimum hardware requirements for Android 3.0 devices are: 1GHZ CPU, 512MB or RAM, displays from 3.5” and higher.
# New 1280×760 resolution available for the devices with displays of 4” and higher.
# Completely revamped user interface. If you want to get a feeling of what Android 3.0 Gingerbread UX is like, check out the Gallery App on Nexus One. The same overall feel, light animated transitions,etc. Natively, through all the UI.
What I'd really like to see come this holiday season, with both GSM & CDMA offerings is ...
Mandatory Techs
#Worldphone
# QSD8672 (if device is by HTC) @1.5GHz or the next iteration of Hummingbird (if by Samsung); Samsung's S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 is capable of 90 million triangles per second , so I'd like to see –
# GPU capable of at least 180 million TPS, but I'd really like to minimally reach the PS3's 250 million TPS
# at least 1GB RAM
# NAND Flash internal storage (as opposed to [micro]SD)
# Gyroscope
# 8MP+ w/ at least one LED flash (one LED and a Xenon flash for taking photos being preferable, of course, and prob goes w/o saying, but you've GOOOTTA) have a flash ... Can we say Touch Pro2, anyone?) & at least 720p (preferably 1080p) video recording @ 30fps, but capable of 24fps for that look
# front–facing camera, taking video at a minimum VGA resolution, but I think we'd all like to see 1.3MP or more, and at no less than 30fps
# trackball or optical dpad is ABSOLUTELY mandatory, 'cause ... well, why the H3LL NOT!? I mean, really, how much space does it really take up (or cost)? I'd rather have one than not (Can we say Touch Pro2 .., AGAIN!?)
# HD radio
# Stereo speakers &
# at least two microphones (This combination worked very well for the Touch Pro2, so Kudos HTC ... this time...)
# 4" minimum screen size (although I think 5" is juuust right) to take advantage of ...
# 1280×720 & no less (Don't try to sell us short here ... DAMMIT!!!), preferably Super AMOLED, but we know they're in short supply ... and, Samsung's not sharin' the wealth currently
# 24-bit color depth, 'cause 16-bit ... seriously? ::cocking eyebrow:: It's F*&%IN' 2010!! I mean, just say it, twenty-ten. If that doesn't sound like we're in the future, I don't know what does.
# Gorilla Glass display
# Kickstand or tilting keyboard
# USB Host
# SRS 5.1 Virtual Surround
# Bluetooth 3
Possible Techs
# Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 (a la Nokia N8)
# 3D, a la Nintendo 3DS with 2/3D gradient, and all (Haven't seen it in person, so I don't know how effective it is, but everything I've read said it looks great‼)
# Solar paneling. Hmm... ::shrugs::
If the device has a hardware keyboard, it should use an HTC's Touch Pro2–like layout, which is the de facto BEST layout to date. A-GPS, Wi-Fi (which'd better be a/b/g/n ... well, maybe not so much a. ::shrugs:: ), accelerometer, digital compass, proximity & light sensors, 3.5mm audio jack, microSDHC (but, if available, microSDXC) slot that is accessible w/o removing the battery, or even taking off the battery cover, and by that time, 4G, all go w/o saying, and only a damned fool would leave any of these out. I think USB 3.0 would be a nice addition, too, but not mandatory. Also, I feel IR should not only return, but also be implemented with decent range, 'cause although it's slow as F*&%, it was nice to use my device as a universal remote. I never understood why the tech was removed in the first place. ::shrugs::
Well, that's all I really have to say about that. Please, do tell me what you all think. And, hopefully, these wanks in the hardware market, or R&D, or whoever the H3LL scours over the internet to find what customers want and'd be most marketable, sees this and tells his/her higher-ups.
"Goodnight & God Bless" ...
UPDATE: As far as pricing goes, let's not forget that it's most probable that carriers will continue to subsidize at or around the same price the top–of–the–line smartphones have been going for, ~$200—300, and a contract–free price of ~$650—800. Think about it, more oft than not, the successor of one model is released at the same price its predecessor was released at.
Dude,this sounds like a laptop that can make calls etc!With this kind of hardware we'll be able to run pc games on our phones!But we would need a portable power generator to keep the battery alive a whole day straight...Unless they equip these phones with some super 3000 mAh battery!
Anyway...Just remember that a year ago we had the same reaction when speaking about the phones with 1GHz CPU and giant screens that we have today!
****in' technology...It'll make us believe in magic sooner or later!
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tolis626 said:
... Just remember that a year ago we had the same reaction when speaking about the phones with 1GHz CPU and giant screens that we have today!
****in' technology...It'll make us believe in magic sooner or later!
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I, I do believe in magic. lol
But, seriously, though. Very doable.
Tell you what, this minimum specs was Google's first stupid decision! Come on! Devices like HTC Legend have been out for a couple of weeks & now Google says there will be no future for them? Unified android without stupid custom UIs was a great idea but if it meant it would be released for all devices simultaneously not just left owners in the cold! I think having minimum specs like this will only make developers lazy, it means no need for polishing the code & make it light!
In my opinion they should release two versions,one for high-end phones and another for devices without that much breathtaking hardware.Anyone agree?
::bump:: @Samsung
Well, apparently, someone's (ie: Samsung) actually listening to the community. Hopefully not just a rumor, but ...
Samsung i9200 Galaxy S2
4.3" Super AMOLED 2(? ... !! So, I'd imagine 24-bit color depth, too) 1280 X 720 @340 ppi(!!)
2 GHz CPU or a dual-core 1 GHz processor (although this disappoints in that Qualcomm's flagship'll have a dual-core 1.5GHz. Hopefully, they mean 2GHz dual-core )
Bluetooth 3.0
gyroscope
android 3.0
So, like I'd said, hope that's a dual-core 2GHz processor, but if not, ehh. Maybe it'll be comparable, if not better than Qualcomm's offering. 'Cause we can see how the Hummingbird can best the Snapdragon in the gfx dept, currently. The only thing missing for me is the lack of a trackball or optical dpad, which I really, really hope Samsung reconsiders. So, @Samsung, please do reconsider, and please, don't make ppl have to wait for a CDMA offering. Release 'em simultaneously.
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Well, apparently, someone's (ie: Samsung) actually listening to the community. Hopefully not just a rumor, but ...
Samsung i9200 Galaxy S2
4.3" Super AMOLED 2(? ... !! So, I'd imagine 24-bit color depth, too) 1280 X 720 @340 ppi(!!)
2 GHz CPU or a dual-core 1 GHz processor (although this disappoints in that Qualcomm's flagship'll have a dual-core 1.5GHz. Hopefully, they mean 2GHz dual-core )
Bluetooth 3.0
gyroscope
android 3.0
So, like I'd said, hope that's a dual-core 2GHz processor, but if not, ehh. Maybe it'll be comparable, if not better than Qualcomm's offering. 'Cause we can see how the Hummingbird can best the Snapdragon in the gfx dept, currently. The only thing missing for me is the lack of a trackball or optical dpad, which I really, really hope Samsung reconsiders. So, @Samsung, please do reconsider, and please, don't make ppl have to wait for a CDMA offering. Release 'em simultaneously.
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ill buy this samsung, i love their products!
Man I'm drooling just thinking about those specs! I love technology! Oh and OP, you forgot to add a front facing camera in there.
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Guys,how about a phone that can take us to the moon?
Well,all that is really nice and I would kill to get one of those phones,but how much will they cost?Seriously!That sounds like some 1000 euros gone to HTC...
Qualcomm can shove it.
I dont like the whole BREW crap. Just the idea of it.
Texas Instaments is where its at, OMAP4 is 2ghz isnt it? (Been a while since i visited their dev. Site)
As for 3.0, i donvt think it will have those min req. Why would google even ditch their own phone......
The evo spec will ne the min req. If you ask me.
composically
ArcticWolf91 said:
... OP, you forgot to add a front facing camera in there...
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You're absolutely right. Original post's been corrected.
You forgot the suitcase of batteries to power the thing...
Seriously though.. 5" screen? WAY too big for a phone that goes in your pocket.
What the H3LL! Let's throw some solar panels on that ß17©#, too.
Oh dear God, please no F*ing AMOLED display. The pentile matrix on my Desire is driving me crazy, and the Galaxy S I played with was even worse. Crisp LCD text for me please!
Is everyone mad? Those specs are rediculous!! I for one don't want a screen larger then 3.2" maybe 3.5" depending on the form factor. Anything higher then 3.5" wont fit in my tight jeans pockets very well, hell my topaz is even tight enough that I put it in my bag while sitting down.
LordVarkson said:
Is everyone mad? Those specs are rediculous!! I for one don't want a screen larger then 3.2" maybe 3.5" depending on the form factor. Anything higher then 3.5" wont fit in my tight jeans pockets very well, hell my topaz is even tight enough that I put it in my bag while sitting down.
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Overlooked that a little bit. The 3.7" on my Desire is already too big, to be honest.
Give me 720p 16:9 on a 3.5" LCD please
Display wise, the 1280 x 760 is very achievable, and pixel density, how about 500 ppi, since Steve Jobs lied about the maximum retinal perception.
GOOD eyesight limit: 477ppi.
Source: Samsung (Since they're some of the leaders when it comes to displays.
I think that, if they're going to target consumers who have never used Android before, they need to at least have a phone that is fast, has good multimedia features (camera, etc.), as well as a good hardware design.
The only good Android camera phone that I've seen is the Samsung Galaxy S, which is only 5MP. Also, I think 4.3" is really pushing it for the average consumer. I thought the screen size of the Nexus One (3.7") was perfectly fine, and the max I would go is probably 4.0", assuming that the screen bezel is thin. That is just my opinion, as I don't think I have ever watched videos nor have done heavy reading on a phone while mobile. A larger screen would make reading emails more friendly, but the text is most often wrapped, so a humongous screen is definitely not necessary.
Vonrottes said:
Qualcomm can shove it.
I dont like the whole BREW crap. Just the idea of it.
Texas Instaments is where its at, OMAP4 is 2ghz isnt it?
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Honestly, all of my devices, ever since the UTStarcom/Audiovox/whoevertheF*&%ever PPC-6700, have used Qualcomm processors, so they're all that I know. I don't know whether it's HTC or Qualcomm's fault, or both, but they've been absolutely TERRIBLE in regards to GPUs, just F*&%IN' TERRIBLE‼ I'm not too familiar with OMAP processor performance, but I do know that Samsung's doin' the damn thing with their Hummingbird. I mean, they're outdoing EVERYONE in the GPU department, 3–F*&%IN'–X over‼
Also, I'd updated the original post. I'd forgot an easily accessible microSDHC(XC) slot.
Gingerbread Phone
Since we're all going to the loony bin, let's go ahead and add in a 3D display. Also, a 1750 battery.
I would love:
3.7 - 4.0" display with a resolution of 1080 x 720 and around 400+ PPI (maybe 3D video recording/playback and pictures - no glasses necessary -), 24-bit (180 degree viewing angle)
Dual core 2Ghz TI OMAP 45nm processor with Nvidia Tegra 2 GPU (does that make sense?) (reason for dual core 2Ghz and not just a 2Ghz, they're thinking dual core will be better for battery. one proc. shuts down when not in use saving power)
1GB RAM with 16GB ROM and microSD slot (as previously stated, no need to remove battery cover) (comes with 8-16GB class 6 microSD card)
Able to record excellent quality full 720p videos at constant 30FPS and excellent light sensor for perfect low-light settings. Able to play back 1080p videos
Able to record excellent quality 1080p video at constant 20FPS
Excellent audio quality
Gyroscope + Accelerometer + A-GPS + Bluetooth 3.0 + WiFi b/g/n + digital compass + WiMAX + FM radio + proximity and light sensors
2MP front-facing camera able to record at constant 30FPS
5MP+ back camera with either dual LED flash or one LED for recording and one Xenon for picture taking
1750mAh battery
Capacitive buttons + optical trackball + dedicated camera button
Dual antenna
Three microphones
Unibody aluminum housing with a thin strip of durable rubber along the edges for extra ruggedness
Internal fitted sheet of thin durable rubber on back of phone (remember, internally) for shock resistance
Android mascot placed on bottom left-hand of the device
Preloaded with Inception (LOL. because like the movie, this phone will f*ck your mind)
500 hours stand-by
Up to 10 hours talk time
Up to 15 hours WiFi / 10 hours 3G / 7 hours 4G internet usage
Up to 20 hours video playback
Up to 60 hours audio playback
No 3rd party skinned Android 3.0
No thicker than .06"
No limits placed on hardware/software capabilities
And a game-pad (d-pad, analog stick - think PSP -, a, b, c, d button, L and R bumpers, start and select) casing to buy as an accessory for emulators that works over Bluetooth and only adds roughly .05" thickness when equipped
Did I forget anything?
In light of the controversy over Nexus S I thought I would see what everyone else thought a phone branded Nexus should be. Before anyone gets to crazy, here are the guide lines:
1) who builds it
2) nothing that is not produced or not going to be produced: aka- "Star Wars in true 3D holograms and a transporter from Star Trek" talk about things that DO exsist like 10 megapixel cameras with flash, accepts 32g class 10 cards, front facing camera, roms, android version, etc.
3)Why
4)Try to explain why there is not this device
That's it, build your Nexus fantasy, and question why we can't have it!
My Dream Nexus
Okay, well I have been thinking about this for a while now, what I would like in a phone, not necessarily a Nexus, and this is what I have come up with. Please understand that I haven't used an Android phone (although I am getting a Galaxy S for Christmas, have found them cheap on eBay from people giving them up for Nexus S' ) so some of this may be irrelevant.
1) Well, to be honest, I don't care who makes it, as long as it is reliable and sturdy. I love the design of the HTC 1 (concept by Andrew Kim, Google it, I can't post links or pictures unfortunately), and it seems to fit HTC's recent designs, so I may as well go with HTC, having played with a Desire and Wildfire, I can't fault the quality.
2) In my mind, I can't see much technology that could be incorporated into a new device that isn't out currently. I think an 8MP camera (large sensor size of course) is about as much as most people will need. A choice of 32/64 GB internal storage seems reasonable, with the option of using a MicroSDHC card up to 32GB. As for processors, I would probably choose that tri-core processor I heard about a while ago (can't remember it's name for the life of me) that had 2 multimedia/powerful cores and one lower clocked core for other tasks, paired with 1GB of RAM, allowing for the future, because with all of this, hopefully it would be at the top for a long time. A screen size of about 4 inches seems perfect, having used an iPod Touch and tested out a Galaxy S and a HD2, preferably with SuperAMOLED(2?). A front facing camera (1.3mp), and all the current sensors would be included. As for connectivity, Wireless N is standard, but you could get this phone in several versions, a HSPA+ version, LTE or WiMAX, to cater for your network of choice, and at a stretch, combine them all into one to have a mega-worldwide phone . Now, the biggest improvement area: batteries. I would definitely have a large capacity battery, at least 1500ma, but possibly even using new technology to make it last longer, such as using Tobacco Mosaic Virus to boost battery life 10x (I read this on Gizmodo today). Thats about all I can think of for hardware, with all of that, you really need decent software, and that's where the fun really begins.
Software is a tricky area in my mind for the Nexus line, being more of a developer type of phone, it should be easy to root and customise everything, installing new ROMs should be painless, and safe, with no risk, similar in a way to an iOS jailbreak (just hit restore in iTunes etc). But, as Andrew Kim mentioned when he did his HTC 1 concept, hardware and software need to be unified. This is where a Nexus could excell, being a Google phone and running stock Android. But to do that, I think the UI needs to become more consistent, much more consistent. Go and look at the HTC 1 concept now on the Design Fabulous website/blog, and find the messaging app mockup. It uses similar shades of grey and black to the phone itself, making it appear seemless, and even beautiful. Yes this would mean giving Android a completely different look, like going from WM6.x to WP7. And remove those buttons, for crying out loud, you have a beautiful touchscreen just there, it should be used! Have 2 buttons, a Home and Menu, integrate the Back option into the UI like in iOS, search could be accessed by holding down/double tapping Home and then the Menu key could be used for the next major shift.
(EDIT: Can't post images, sorry, but please search Google Images for 'windows phone 7 app associated press' and it should be the first image there)
Yes, this is a picture of an app in WP7, but that's not the point. I tried out WP7 the other day, and I found it a refreshing way of using a device. It looked good and was consistent. But I am drifting off, the Menu key. Look at the picture above, look to the left, and see the categories. Imagine that as all the app's options/menu, like pressing the Menu key currently does, as well as anything else. You could swipe through the different screens to get to it (using the screen, like I went on about before), or, similar to getting back to the first page of apps on iOS, press the Menu key to zoom back there. Simple and elegant in my opinion. Implement a similar look and feel across the whole system, and you have some mighty fine software indeed, but for those who wouldn't like it, with the option of installing one of the many ROMs available without any risk.
3) Why? Well, we are a consumer society, with many phones getting replaced in a year or less, and sometimes just being thrown out, we waste so many materials. By providing solid, useful and top of the line hardware, the need to upgrade becomes less as it would take longer to become outdated. I believe software is the key to a platform, and I am not alone in thinking that. That is where the real innovation comes from, so with a standardised Nexus there could be so much innovation coming from users such as the people here at XDA. Most of the hardware is probably available today, if not in the near future, so it is more an evolutionary step, but I will say that the tri-core processor is for more battery life and more power when needed, and the RAM allowing for better multitasking and futureproofing. And I would just love to own a phone looking like the HTC 1 concept, it is awesome and many friends I have shown it to think the same (they aren't techies either).
4) Why can't we have it? Well, I don't actually know why. The only things I can think of which probably isn't in production are: a) the tri-core processor, but dual-cores are in production now or in the next few weeks I imagine, b) SuperAMOLED(2?), mainly because it's Samsung's tech and this would be built by HTC and c) the multiple connectivity radio with HSPA+, LTE and WiMAX probably isn't being developed as of now, maybe not for another year until these networks become more common.
It is the software side of things which puzzles me, but I'm sure it is coming. Someone just has to take this idea with them, and go for gold. I would like to do that personally, but I need to learn how to code better, a lot better. (I joined XDA for inspiration ) I think this UI would work well, and be powerful, elegant and simple at the same time, helping to bring Android into the public as being easy to use and better than Apple's offerings (a tough task, but I would like to think it possible, note I am not an Android fanboy, neither do I hate Apple, but change is good).
Wow, that is a lot of writing... I hope this is acceptable, I would love to have a device like this myself, I think it would be possible in the next 6 months maybe? I am curious to see what others would like, bring on more ideas!
mcsinny99 said:
In light of the controversy over Nexus S I thought I would see what everyone else thought a phone branded Nexus should be. Before anyone gets to crazy, here are the guide lines:
1) who builds it
2) nothing that is not produced or not going to be produced: aka- "Star Wars in true 3D holograms and a transporter from Star Trek" talk about things that DO exsist like 10 megapixel cameras with flash, accepts 32g class 10 cards, front facing camera, roms, android version, etc.
3)Why
4)Try to explain why there is not this device
That's it, build your Nexus fantasy, and question why we can't have it!
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I believe thats this is just a useless post. U ask people to xplain their fantasies but dont include phones not or never will be built?!
plainly put there is n never will be any ultimate phone since whatever u buy now is obsolete in 2 months.
@ OP
Post something more productive. There are other places u can go to post ur wishes n dreams.
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I believe thats this is just a useless post. U ask people to xplain their fantasies but dont include phones not or never will be built?!
plainly put there is n never will be any ultimate phone since whatever u buy now is obsolete in 2 months.
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I'm sorry, but I think you may have misunderstood the point about no Star Trek stuff. Reasonable fantasies would probably be a better way of thinking of it, maybe something you could get within the next few years. Yes, phones will be obsolete within months of release, but as I mentioned in my post, I think software is the real contender in the future, so once you have a decent specced phone, the software can do the rest.
I'm personally interested in what people want from a phone which isn't out already. So if you think this isn't productive, you don't have to read it. I think some good stuff could come out of here, and you never know, Google or HTC could be listening
1) built by samsung
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
3) because why shouldnt we have tech this awesome , and if you think about it , most laptops would e obsolete if this were true , along with point and shoot cameras
4)Cost, cost of manufacture , cost of retail, too much R&D would be needed , to many other products would become obsolete, this to would need to be released quickly , or have 3.0 loaded onto it when it becomes readily available.
and can i have it by christmas please santa ??
CPU:
Snapdragon QSD8672 (1.5GHz Dualcore)
RAM:
1024MB DDR2 Mobile RAM (Elpida Produced)
GPU:
256MB nVidia Tegra GPU
Storage:
OS/Applications: 2048MB SSD
External Storage: 32GB MicroSD
Imaging
5MP Main Camera (Any does me tbh)
Sound
Bluetooth Cochlear Implant w/ Induction Charging Circuit
Screen/s
Wrist Display - Subdermal LCD w/ Single Action Touch Sensor and Induction Charging Circuit - http://www.gearfuse.com/subdermal-implant-watch-tattoo/
Main Screen - WSVGA Touch Screen
Power
5x 250A Lithium Ion Polymer Cells using Cell Balancing
Location Services
GPS
Accelerometer
Digital Compass
Altimeter
Connectivity
Micro USB 3.0
WiFi
HSDPA
3G
GPRS
the usual basically...
Would be my ultimate like
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2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
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Sounds decent I like your thinking!
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1) built by samsung
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
3) because why shouldnt we have tech this awesome , and if you think about it , most laptops would e obsolete if this were true , along with point and shoot cameras
4)Cost, cost of manufacture , cost of retail, too much R&D would be needed , to many other products would become obsolete, this to would need to be released quickly , or have 3.0 loaded onto it when it becomes readily available.
and can i have it by christmas please santa ??
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@3) That is my theory as well. But why not fire a shot across the bow of other manufacturers? Set the bar higher and watch them scramble to catch up?
2) In my mind, I can't see much technology that could be incorporated into a new device that isn't out currently. I think an 8MP camera (large sensor size of course) is about as much as most people will need. A choice of 32/64 GB internal storage seems reasonable, with the option of using a MicroSDHC card up to 32GB. As for processors, I would probably choose that tri-core processor I heard about a while ago (can't remember it's name for the life of me) that had 2 multimedia/powerful cores and one lower clocked core for other tasks, paired with 1GB of RAM, allowing for the future, because with all of this, hopefully it would be at the top for a long time. A screen size of about 4 inches seems perfect, having used an iPod Touch and tested out a Galaxy S and a HD2, preferably with SuperAMOLED(2?). A front facing camera (1.3mp), and all the current sensors would be included. As for connectivity, Wireless N is standard, but you could get this phone in several versions, a HSPA+ version, LTE or WiMAX, to cater for your network of choice, and at a stretch, combine them all into one to have a mega-worldwide phone . Now, the biggest improvement area: batteries. I would definitely have a large capacity battery, at least 1500ma, but possibly even using new technology to make it last longer, such as using Tobacco Mosaic Virus to boost battery life 10x (I read this on Gizmodo today). Thats about all I can think of for hardware, with all of that, you really need decent software, and that's where the fun really begins.
Software is a tricky area in my mind for the Nexus line, being more of a developer type of phone, it should be easy to root and customise everything, installing new ROMs should be painless, and safe, with no risk, similar in a way to an iOS jailbreak (just hit restore in iTunes etc). But, as Andrew Kim mentioned when he did his HTC 1 concept, hardware and software need to be unified. This is where a Nexus could excell, being a Google phone and running stock Android. But to do that, I think the UI needs to become more consistent, much more consistent. Go and look at the HTC 1 concept now on the Design Fabulous website/blog, and find the messaging app mockup. It uses similar shades of grey and black to the phone itself, making it appear seemless, and even beautiful. Yes this would mean giving Android a completely different look, like going from WM6.x to WP7. And remove those buttons, for crying out loud, you have a beautiful touchscreen just there, it should be used! Have 2 buttons, a Home and Menu, integrate the Back option into the UI like in iOS, search could be accessed by holding down/double tapping Home and then the Menu key could be used for the next major shift.
(EDIT: Can't post images, sorry, but please search Google Images for 'windows phone 7 app associated press' and it should be the first image there)
Yes, this is a picture of an app in WP7, but that's not the point. I tried out WP7 the other day, and I found it a refreshing way of using a device. It looked good and was consistent. But I am drifting off, the Menu key. Look at the picture above, look to the left, and see the categories. Imagine that as all the app's options/menu, like pressing the Menu key currently does, as well as anything else. You could swipe through the different screens to get to it (using the screen, like I went on about before), or, similar to getting back to the first page of apps on iOS, press the Menu key to zoom back there. Simple and elegant in my opinion. Implement a similar look and feel across the whole system, and you have some mighty fine software indeed, but for those who wouldn't like it, with the option of installing one of the many ROMs available without any risk.
3) Why? Well, we are a consumer society, with many phones getting replaced in a year or less, and sometimes just being thrown out, we waste so many materials. By providing solid, useful and top of the line hardware, the need to upgrade becomes less as it would take longer to become outdated. I believe software is the key to a platform, and I am not alone in thinking that. That is where the real innovation comes from, so with a standardised Nexus there could be so much innovation coming from users such as the people here at XDA. Most of the hardware is probably available today, if not in the near future, so it is more an evolutionary step, but I will say that the tri-core processor is for more battery life and more power when needed, and the RAM allowing for better multitasking and futureproofing. And I would just love to own a phone looking like the HTC 1 concept, it is awesome and many friends I have shown it to think the same (they aren't techies either).
4) Why can't we have it? Well, I don't actually know why. The only things I can think of which probably isn't in production are: a) the tri-core processor, but dual-cores are in production now or in the next few weeks I imagine, b) SuperAMOLED(2?), mainly because it's Samsung's tech and this would be built by HTC and c) the multiple connectivity radio with HSPA+, LTE and WiMAX probably isn't being developed as of now, maybe not for another year until these networks become more common.
It is the software side of things which puzzles me, but I'm sure it is coming. Someone just has to take this idea with them, and go for gold. I would like to do that personally, but I need to learn how to code better, a lot better. (I joined XDA for inspiration ) I think this UI would work well, and be powerful, elegant and simple at the same time, helping to bring Android into the public as being easy to use and better than Apple's offerings (a tough task, but I would like to think it possible, note I am not an Android fanboy, neither do I hate Apple, but change is good).
Wow, that is a lot of writing... I hope this is acceptable, I would love to have a device like this myself, I think it would be possible in the next 6 months maybe? I am curious to see what others would like, bring on more ideas![/QUOTE]
Great post, I agree with most of what you have to say, but I feel wp7 is behind in ui. Take that home screen that just plainly wastes 1/3 of the screen. Sure, android phones could loose those buttons, but I still think it's a step ahead of the competition. The slick ui concept http://phandroid.com/2010/10/25/slick-ui-promising-look-at-an-android-home-screen-replacement-app/ may be a step towards that htc 1 concept (WOW, btw, had not seen that- http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html) that we will get soon. Seems people just don't like the idea of those permanent screen buttons. I am coming around myself.
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Great post, I agree with most of what you have to say, but I feel wp7 is behind in ui. Take that home screen that just plainly wastes 1/3 of the screen. Sure, android phones could loose those buttons, but I still think it's a step ahead of the competition. The slick ui concept http://phandroid.com/2010/10/25/slick-ui-promising-look-at-an-android-home-screen-replacement-app/ may be a step towards that htc 1 concept (WOW, btw, had not seen that- http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html) that we will get soon. Seems people just don't like the idea of those permanent screen buttons. I am coming around myself.
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I have to agree the homescreen doesn't make total use of the space, but I guess it helps make it look less cluttered, however that is personal. What I meant about WP7 was the different approach to apps, specifically the side scrolling nature of everything.
I love watching the reactions of people who look at the HTC 1 concept, every single person I have shown it to so far has just kinda said either I want one now or wow... Rather interesting to see
As for the buttons, I am undecided personally. I can see the use of having more, but I am starting to like simpler, less cluttered looks myself. I guess in that respect the Galaxy S International is half ground, having one hard button and two capacitive, which you don't really notice too much if they're not lit up.
1. Does not matter, until it is high quality and not cheap plastic.
2.
- [at least] 4" sAMOLED display (or even IPS) with standard 480x800 resolution
Buttons should be:
- Camera and power on the right side
- Volume on the left side
- Menu, back, home buttons under the screen (preferably touch buttons)
- The latest Tegra2 dual-core CPU what performs at 2GHz max, and the best mobile 3d acceleration too
- High capacity but thin battery (1600mAh)
- 12Mp camera on the back, at least 3.2Mp camera on front (or something like the Adam, a rotate-able camera ontop) with dual xenon-led flash (and of course separate control, so they can be used separately)
- Projector on top part of the phone
- 1024MB RAM, 1024MB ROM(formatted for 512-512MB), dedicated 256MB SWAP, internal 16/32GB memcard, support for SDXC cards (capacity up to 2048GB)
- Bluetooth 3.0, USB 3.0, NFC, WLAN b/g/n, DLNA support, 4G support, USB Host functions
- Android OS of course, bumped with a nice slick UI, made by real designers, not some manufacturer (actually, Samsung is pretty good in these stuffs)
- Open system (no secure bootloader, etc) if you want it
3. Why? Because as a dev phone, developers needs the BEST device to test. If the stuff runs OK on the best, it should run properly on all other. Of course, device spec fragmentation is huge, we can't make all manufacturers to use the same CPU, motherboard, radio part, etc. That's where WinPhone7 failed great.
And also, let's provide something for the money they ask for a "smart phone". My current ZTE Blade knows a lot more than the HTC Legend, but costs half or even third of the money (here in Hungary a Legend costs around 90.000HUF, what is approx. 400-500$. The Blade, while it has more cocoa in it, costs around 200$). That's not right!
4. Why can't we have it?
That's easy. Manufacturers want people to buy their new phone when it comes out. Even if it costs a lot. They won't make an "Ultimate Phone", because then after everyone bought his/her own one, there would be no need of new stocks, and done. This way, they always keep up the interest for a slightly new phone (like Nexus S, a dumber Galaxy S, with Gingerbread), just to earn the highest profit with the lowest cost involved. The manufacturer who makes the "Ultimate Phone" would get rich at first sight, then until something more Ultimate is released, they just don't have income. See what I mean? Manufacturers use the first, big boom to earn back all the money they spent for "improvements" while selling almost the same phones. Just like Samsung as I said, or Nokia (N97 and N97 Mini, N8 and E7), or Sony Ericsson (X10, X10 pro; X10 mini, X10 mini pro; Vivaz, Satio, Vivaz Pro). Slight improvements, huge incomes.
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4. Why can't we have it?
That's easy. Manufacturers want people to buy their new phone when it comes out. Even if it costs a lot. They won't make an "Ultimate Phone", because then after everyone bought his/her own one, there would be no need of new stocks, and done. This way, they always keep up the interest for a slightly new phone (like Nexus S, a dumber Galaxy S, with Gingerbread), just to earn the highest profit with the lowest cost involved. The manufacturer who makes the "Ultimate Phone" would get rich at first sight, then until something more Ultimate is released, they just don't have income. See what I mean? Manufacturers use the first, big boom to earn back all the money they spent for "improvements" while selling almost the same phones. Just like Samsung as I said, or Nokia (N97 and N97 Mini, N8 and E7), or Sony Ericsson (X10, X10 pro; X10 mini, X10 mini pro; Vivaz, Satio, Vivaz Pro). Slight improvements, huge incomes.
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That's definitely a solid reason, and as much as we/consumers don't like it, the big companies will undoubtedly keep doing the same, just to stay in business. Still, I can see it being half possible if a manufacturer like made half-ground or something
Read these old posts made me lol 1600mAh high capacity lol I do not that was even high capacity when this topic was made!,OK here is my Ultimate phone for 2010 5.2in 940x560 LCD IPS display,SoC a custom One we well call t186 it has 4 A9-cortex core clocked at 1.6Ghz and a powerVR SXG543MP6 GPU with 2GB of LPDDR2 RAM,battery a 3500mAh battery,OS android honey comb 3.4,camera 10 megapixel rear camera 2mp front camera now that is a phone my friends!
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Read these old posts made me lol 1600mAh high capacity lol I do not that was even high capacity when this topic was made!,OK here is my Ultimate phone for 2010 5.2in 940x560 LCD IPS display,SoC a custom One we well call t186 it has 4 A9-cortex core clocked at 1.6Ghz and a powerVR SXG543MP6 GPU with 2GB of LPDDR2 RAM,battery a 3500mAh battery,OS android honey comb 3.4,camera 10 megapixel rear camera 2mp front camera now that is a phone my friends!
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That's not even close to the s5 and note 4... lol... year old phone.
eloko said:
That's not even close to the s5 and note 4... lol... year old phone.
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And actually the GPU would be more powerful the SGS5...
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Possible nexus prime specs:
CPU: Texas Instruments OMAP 4460 Cortex A9 (1,2 GHz).
Screen: 1280 x 720 Super AMOLED HD 4,65"
OS: Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich
RAM: 1 GB RAM
Int. Memory: 32 GB
Back Camera: 5 Mpix
Front Camera: 1,3 Mpix
Movie recording in full 1080p
Wireless connectivity: LTE or HSPA (depends on operator)
NFC enabled!
9 mm thin
1750 mAh battery!
Would you mind telling us your source?
i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
This makes the rest of this suspect as well.
lgkahn said:
i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
This makes the rest of this suspect as well.
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This is the original source from BGR.com:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/06/samsung-galaxy-nexus-full-specs-revealed-verizon-wireless-exclusive/
And your arguments about the camera specs are right, when you just look at the hype about megapixel. But the image sensor is much more important for the quality of a picture. So i would like it to see the nexus prime with a better sensor, and less mp.
If you are interested, you can search for "megapixel vs. image sensor"
http://www.laesieworks.com/digicom/MP.html
If your camera has to be a compact, be sure to get a big sensor (1/1.6" or 1/1.7") and not too much megapixels.
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Processor is 1.5 ghz dual core afaik, and camera is 8MP at back and 2 or 3 MP at front. Internal memory may not be 32gb , it will be 16gb.
Also battery is rumoured to be 1850 MHz.
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pretty fast battery
Well it will depend on the new android ics, how much it sucks battery out.
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lgkahn said:
i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
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Phones only really need 5mp. 8mp will make the picture larger, but that doesn't mean that it will be better.
Then again if you really want an amazing camera that also happens to make calls, then check out the Nokia N8. 12MP and a Carl Zeiss (SP?) on that bad boy...
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Phones only really need 5mp. 8mp will make the picture larger, but that doesn't mean that it will be better.
Then again if you really want an amazing camera that also happens to make calls, then check out the Nokia N8. 12MP and a Carl Zeiss (SP?) on that bad boy...
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Well I have actually used all three that are best in the business- samsung galaxy s 2, n8 and se arc se ARC has the best camera of all three and sg2 has also a better camera then n8 so 12 MP s don't really matter when u don't have optical zoom, the quality matter and arc outstands both sgs2 and n8 !
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A little disappointed with the hardware (processor was rumoured differently, for one) but it's still going to be one hell of a phone.
What i'd like to see:
I'd very much like if they'd stop making bigger screens. I really think 4'' was the sweet spot, nearly 5'' is... well, too big imo. I realize this may be a requirement for 1280 x 720-pixel res but i honestly believe my phone is big enough as it is (i own an SGS). Granted, higher resolution rules but... well, it's a phone, not a tablet.
I'd also like to see an SD card slot. I can't really see why not. Sure you already have 32Gb. More than enough for me as far as space goes, but i usually leave my phone downloading stuff over the night. SO much faster and easier to just take the card out and plugging in the computer in the morning than having all of that transferred over wireless again.
Android also has a few issues with sdcards (try setting an mp3 as your ringtone stored in the sd, removing, putting the card back in and get a call), but removing the slot completely isn't really a solution and it doesn't take that much space.
Aluminum instead of plastics. Or at least solid stuff for a lasting phone. Phones aren't meant to fall but shi* happens and i'd like my 500€ investment a bit better suited to survive. Don't really mind plastics though, they make my phone lighter, but i'd like some solid stuff for a change. At the very least, nothing as thin as the back cover of an SGS2, please. If we're doing plastics, i'm thinking the back cover of the iphone 3GS. Has a great solid feeling.
I don't care much for the camera. Only think i'd ask is decent, solid shots and that the sensor not to take much space in the back. Cameras usually spoil the design with a huge lump in the back. If it's glass could be made not to touch the surface of the table to prevent scratches, would be cool as well.
What i'd like to see is that great responsiveness to touch iphones have that android seems to lack, even on higher end devices. Sure they work great, but now and then android seems to skip a beat or just lag for 0.5 sec before registering touch. Lockscreens are particularly affected by this.
That said i have really high hopes for ICS. REALLY. I don't care much for competition (hey everyone should use whatever they like or suits them best) but android has always been a few steps ahead of iOS as far as complexity goes. This is a good thing, for me at least. I don't mean to offend anyone, but really, every time i need to use iOS i feel kind of retarded. Hand feeding me stuff that'd be obvious already just works against me. Apple didn't do much to add for that (seen loads of people disappointed, me included) so I honestly believe android can push it ahead once and for all.
My needs may be a bit different that the rest of the world, but i'd prefer some core improvements (like responsiveness improved and bug corrections) other than extra semi-useless new features (like voice control). That'd make for a more solid experience, imo. All that said, I'm kind of excited about this, might really be my next phone if it hits enough spots on my book.
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What i'd like to see:
I'd very much like if they'd stop making bigger screens. I really think 4'' was the sweet spot, nearly 5'' is... well, too big imo. I realize this may be a requirement for 1280 x 720-pixel res but i honestly believe my phone is big enough as it is (i own an SGS). Granted, higher resolution rules but... well, it's a phone, not a tablet.
I'd also like to see an SD card slot. I can't really see why not. Sure you already have 32Gb. More than enough for me as far as space goes, but i usually leave my phone downloading stuff over the night. SO much faster and easier to just take the card out and plugging in the computer in the morning than having all of that transferred over wireless again.
Android also has a few issues with sdcards (try setting an mp3 as your ringtone stored in the sd, removing, putting the card back in and get a call), but removing the slot completely isn't really a solution and it doesn't take that much space.
Aluminum instead of plastics. Or at least solid stuff for a lasting phone. Phones aren't meant to fall but shi* happens and i'd like my 500€ investment a bit better suited to survive. Don't really mind plastics though, they make my phone lighter, but i'd like some solid stuff for a change. At the very least, nothing as thin as the back cover of an SGS2, please. If we're doing plastics, i'm thinking the back cover of the iphone 3GS. Has a great solid feeling.
I don't care much for the camera. Only think i'd ask is decent, solid shots and that the sensor not to take much space in the back. Cameras usually spoil the design with a huge lump in the back. If it's glass could be made not to touch the surface of the table to prevent scratches, would be cool as well.
What i'd like to see is that great responsiveness to touch iphones have that android seems to lack, even on higher end devices. Sure they work great, but now and then android seems to skip a beat or just lag for 0.5 sec before registering touch. Lockscreens are particularly affected by this.
That said i have really high hopes for ICS. REALLY. I don't care much for competition (hey everyone should use whatever they like or suits them best) but android has always been a few steps ahead of iOS as far as complexity goes. This is a good thing, for me at least. I don't mean to offend anyone, but really, every time i need to use iOS i feel kind of retarded. Hand feeding me stuff that'd be obvious already just works against me. Apple didn't do much to add for that (seen loads of people disappointed, me included) so I honestly believe android can push it ahead once and for all.
My needs may be a bit different that the rest of the world, but i'd prefer some core improvements (like responsiveness improved and bug corrections) other than extra semi-useless new features (like voice control). That'd make for a more solid experience, imo. All that said, I'm kind of excited about this, might really be my next phone if it hits enough spots on my book.
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Good you pointed out about screen as many people including you have a little bit misunderstanding about bigger screens- a bigger screen doesn't mean a very big phone. they reduce the extra space from edges and boundaries to make screen big( give a nice look at sgs2 and sgs2 HD lte and you'll notice that sgs2 has a big home button which is more of a square whereas sgs2 hd lte has a mere small rectangle home button so they have reduced spaces for sure and also the small buttons will be till convinient to press), now the big fact in case of Samsung galaxy nexus or nexus prime is that it wont have those capacitive, back, menu ,home(mostly hard key) buttons, Those will be replaced by on screen buttons so more space reduced for bigger screen. All other things you pointed out will be made cleared once the ics and new device is itself released but about touch responsiveness - all smartphones these days have nearly same touch sensors which are gr8 but the thing which makes apple devices smoother and more responsive is GPU acceleration, which is very good in apple's ios then in android that's why many people were asking the Guy who got the ics equipped nexus s that ' did you feel gr8 touch responsiveness on your nexus s ?'. I am also looking forward to this event to know that will ics have gpu accelearion or not.
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Nexus Prime correct Specs
CORRECT SPECS:
http://www.gsmarena.com/source_close_to_google_reveals_real_nexus_prime_specs-news-3239.php
"According to our source, the device codenamed Nexus Prime is going to ship with Samsung's own chipset, with a blazingly fast dual-core processor clocked at 1.5GHz. But wait, there's more.
On that chipset will also reside a powerful dual-core GPU from Imagination. We suspect it's going to be the PowerVR SGX543MP2, or in other words, the same GPU found in the iPad 2 (and quite probably on the iPhone 4S as well).
On the back, instead of the 5-megapixel snapper, our source claims, there's an 8-megapixel, full 1080p HD video-shooting camera with some sort of an improved sensor. As for the battery, expect a 2050mAh one (do we hear a whoa?), which should be good for a couple of days use without charging.
The Nexus Prime will also be LTE-enabled, but the most interesting part is that it would probably boast a dual-mode GSM/CDMA radio, just like the Apple iPhone 4S.
All those specifications sound almost too nice to be true, but keeping in mind the advertisement for the Nexus Prime, prompting us that "something BIG is coming", we won't be surprised if all of these purported specs turn out to be real.
What we do know for sure is that the head-turning 4.65-inch, 1280x720 pixels screen is definitely a go. Whatever the truth might be, we'll definitely find out on October 11, which is just a few days from now."
I liked the Charge, but having non stop issues day after day. Extremely poor call quality when the phone gets below 20%, M$ Exchange email doesnt work, calendar wont sync, data always disconnects, etc.
Made about a dozen calls and finally got a hold of a regional manager that is willing to help me out, or so he says. Told me he would be able to get me an early upgrade price so trying to decide what route to go.
Prior to being an android user, I had the iPhone from the first version and dropped the iPhone 4 back in July for the 4G device. Saved me some money from having to buy a 4G hotspot and a phone, plus iPhone was limited and couldn't handle a few things that I needed. Seems to be better, but its still a 3G phone.
New Nexus looks pretty good, but heard some things not so good about them. Is it better to wait as it seems new phones come out every week, or better to pull the trigger on the Nexus now?
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I liked the Charge, but having non stop issues day after day. Extremely poor call quality when the phone gets below 20%, M$ Exchange email doesnt work, calendar wont sync, data always disconnects, etc.
Made about a dozen calls and finally got a hold of a regional manager that is willing to help me out, or so he says. Told me he would be able to get me an early upgrade price so trying to decide what route to go.
Prior to being an android user, I had the iPhone from the first version and dropped the iPhone 4 back in July for the 4G device. Saved me some money from having to buy a 4G hotspot and a phone, plus iPhone was limited and couldn't handle a few things that I needed. Seems to be better, but its still a 3G phone.
New Nexus looks pretty good, but heard some things not so good about them. Is it better to wait as it seems new phones come out every week, or better to pull the trigger on the Nexus now?
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TBH if it were me I'd just wait for the next big smartphone of Q1/Q2, they'll be as good or better spec-wise than the Nexus however you'll be missing out on the pure AOSP experience and timely updates... its not that important to me so I'll be doing this, I'm gonna probably pick up the next HTC superphone (a little tired of samsung now though I love their hardware)
I have the Galaxy Nexus right now and its the best phone I've ever had. Sure they're some minor problems with it like with any new device. But nothing at all that makes it unusable or annoying.
I wouldn't wait for phones that come out at CES 2012 because they won't be available until Q2 at least. Plus all the Quad Core phones will all have problems working the kinks out since they'll be brand new. Much like the Thunderbolt, Charge, Revolution, and the (first) Bionic.
So my advice is to go with the Nexus. Better experience, faster updates, best phone I ever came across. Makes the iPhone 4S look puny and not fun at all IMO of course
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If you have to change now, go for the Nexus. If you can wait some months, then wait.
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Best phone for flashers = Galaxy Nexus
Best phone for stock users = Droid Razr
its simple really...
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Best phone for flashers = Galaxy Nexus
Best phone for stock users = Droid Razr
its simple really...
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Why do you say the RAZR is better than the Rezound for stock users out of curiosity? I could have had either as my displacement and went with the Rezound because it appeared to be the better phone overall based on what I read.
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The Nexus is still better for stock users because it's the only one with ICS. The OS is far more intuitive and coherent than Gingerbread, and that's exactly what matters the most for those users.
The only pluses in general for the Razr versus the Nexus are its thinness (and it's not even a huge difference compared to the Nexus, it's much more noticeable compared to the chunktastic Rezound) and less-plasticky/more durable build (kevlar back, splash-proof coating, not made by Samsung).
With what I know from reading -- I'd go for the Nexus. ICS cannot be ignored, and couple that with the amazing AMOLED screens Samsung uses and you have a winner.
I believe ALL the phones have some quirks, you just have to make sure you can live with them.
The Charge was not considered a successful phone, it was the baddest mama jama when I bought mine in early June and though its not perfect, it got a breath of life when GB was released for it. Fixed most of my issues!
anoninja118 said:
TBH if it were me I'd just wait for the next big smartphone of Q1/Q2, they'll be as good or better spec-wise than the Nexus however you'll be missing out on the pure AOSP experience and timely updates... its not that important to me so I'll be doing this, I'm gonna probably pick up the next HTC superphone (a little tired of samsung now though I love their hardware)
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Hes actually right. If youre getting a new phone just wait for the next big phone. We have Tegra 3 coming to smartphones in Q1 and just look at the 12mp camera/quad-core phones running ICS coming just in the first 3 months of this year. Wait it out bro.
Nexus is the best phone out there right now. As for the issues you're having, if you want full Exchange support, get a Windows Phone, otherwise get Touchdown as that is the only way to have reliable Exchange support on Android. Really though, I think you'll find problems with your next phone too just based on the OP.
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I completely disagree with the majority here. The HTC Rezound is by far the superior phone. Its 720p IPS LCD screen is *true* HD, not Pentile, and current OLED tech suffers from color inaccuracy and oversaturation. The subpixel count on the GNex is about equal to most 800x480 phones.
The Rezound's Adreno 220 GPU is also superior. The Gnex's GPU is just the Charge's PowerVR SGX 540 with 50% overclock. A nice comparison here: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...htc-flyer-htc-desire-hd-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Rezound's camera is also better, and it has "Beats Audio" (not sure if that's any good though).
ambrar12 said:
I completely disagree with the majority here. The HTC Rezound is by far the superior phone. Its 720p IPS LCD screen is *true* HD, not Pentile, and current OLED tech suffers from color inaccuracy and oversaturation. The subpixel count on the GNex is about equal to most 800x480 phones.
The Rezound's Adreno 220 GPU is also superior. The Gnex's GPU is just the Charge's PowerVR SGX 540 with 50% overclock. A nice comparison here: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...htc-flyer-htc-desire-hd-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Rezound's camera is also better, and it has "Beats Audio" (not sure if that's any good though).
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beats audio is garbage unless you like rap/hip-hop (thankfully the beats 'technology' doesn't kick in unless you plug in those craptastic beats headphones), the Rezound *might* have the Nexus beat in processor and camera but Nexus wins IMO screen-wise, its also unbloated/unskinned, will have first dibs on updates and with the zero lag shutter... meh its a toss-up I think, both are solid phones but I'd kinda lean toward the Nexus
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I completely disagree with the majority here. The HTC Rezound is by far the superior phone. Its 720p IPS LCD screen is *true* HD, not Pentile, and current OLED tech suffers from color inaccuracy and oversaturation. The subpixel count on the GNex is about equal to most 800x480 phones.
The Rezound's Adreno 220 GPU is also superior. The Gnex's GPU is just the Charge's PowerVR SGX 540 with 50% overclock. A nice comparison here: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...htc-flyer-htc-desire-hd-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Rezound's camera is also better, and it has "Beats Audio" (not sure if that's any good though).
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This post sounds like a complete HTC fanboy post. Some of those tests with the GPU were barely better than the original SGX540 GPU. It's also closer to a 100% overclock (200MHz in the Charge v. 384MHz in the Nexus), so I would think those tests would turn out vastly different if run with the Nexus GPU at the same resolutions.
Screen is debatable, and if you looked at the Nexus screen, you couldn't tell if it was pentile or not. Outdoor visibility has ALWAYS been the best on the SAMOLED screens though, and power consumption can be better with them as well.
Camera, I'd have to see to believe as I have NEVER heard of HTC using good quality image sensors. Just because it's 8MP compared to the Nexus's 5MP doesn't mean it's better. That's like saying a 16MP point-and-shoot takes better pictures than a 10MP DSLR. It can if the conditions are right, but usually, it won't.
Beats audio is also a complete sham as the audio processor in the Charge is better. You'll likely get worse audio from Beats than you would from the Nexus. Then lets not forget software upgrades and the lack of add-on apps, can you guess which one wins here? And you can probably forget about AOSP on the Rezound anytime soon as it took several months for Layher to get it on the TB, and I don't see anyone having the dedication to do that again.
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This post sounds like a complete HTC fanboy post. Some of those tests with the GPU were barely better than the original SGX540 GPU. It's also closer to a 100% overclock (200MHz in the Charge v. 384MHz in the Nexus), so I would think those tests would turn out vastly different if run with the Nexus GPU at the same resolutions.
Screen is debatable, and if you looked at the Nexus screen, you couldn't tell if it was pentile or not. Outdoor visibility has ALWAYS been the best on the SAMOLED screens though, and power consumption can be better with them as well.
Camera, I'd have to see to believe as I have NEVER heard of HTC using good quality image sensors. Just because it's 8MP compared to the Nexus's 5MP doesn't mean it's better. That's like saying a 16MP point-and-shoot takes better pictures than a 10MP DSLR. It can if the conditions are right, but usually, it won't.
Beats audio is also a complete sham as the audio processor in the Charge is better. You'll likely get worse audio from Beats than you would from the Nexus. Then lets not forget software upgrades and the lack of add-on apps, can you guess which one wins here? And you can probably forget about AOSP on the Rezound anytime soon as it took several months for Layher to get it on the TB, and I don't see anyone having the dedication to do that again.
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Also it took the rezound like 2 months just to receive root so their Dev community is probably pretty bare
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Just checked the Rezound forum. Apparently they already have an ICS ROM thanks to an ICS leak for the "Sensation XL", whatever that is.
As for AMOLED, unfortunately it's not mature enough yet and drains more battery than LCD as well as having inaccurate colors and oversaturation. And with a 720p pentile you won't notice the pixels but I don't think the sharpness would be as good as a true 720p RGB screen (I could be wrong, but I personally wouldn't bother taking the chance).
As for Beats Audio, I kinda figured you wouldn't be able to get hi-fi music quality without a proprietary port.
Also one other thing that (for me) is a real deal-breaker is lack of microSD slot on the GNexus. I have no idea what Google was thinking there.
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Just checked the Rezound forum. Apparently they already have an ICS ROM thanks to an ICS leak for the "Sensation XL", whatever that is.
As for AMOLED, unfortunately it's not mature enough yet and drains more battery than LCD as well as having inaccurate colors and oversaturation. And with a 720p pentile you won't notice the pixels but I don't think the sharpness would be as good as a true 720p RGB screen (I could be wrong, but I personally wouldn't bother taking the chance).
As for Beats Audio, I kinda figured you wouldn't be able to get hi-fi music quality without a proprietary port.
Also one other thing that (for me) is a real deal-breaker is lack of microSD slot on the GNexus. I have no idea what Google was thinking there.
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Hooray for an ICS ROM that is very buggy, I know I'll use that all the time Can't wait to get a Sense'd version with as many useless apps as Verizon and jam into it. Glad to see you ignored the AOSP comment completely as well.
The screen statement is somewhat untrue as well. The issue with battery life comes when you're using bright colors or video. If you use black, you get excellent battery life as black pixels use 0 power for AMOLED screens, how much power does a black pixel use on an LCD panel? Inaccurate colors are one thing, as that depends on several factors, but it can be corrected, as can the over-saturation. Are there issues with the technology? Sure, but I'll take a SAMOLED screen over an LCD panel every day. Oh, and how about contrast ratio comparison between the two? How about comparing the thickness of a full screen assembly (touch sensor, backlight, and display) between AMOLED and tradition LCD? There are reasons that it's being used, despite how bad you think the technology is.
No MicroSD slot, now we're just nit-picking. Is it a bad thing? Kinda. However, how often do people change them? I only ever changed it out to get a faster card. The only thing I miss about having one is that I could just copy over my backed up data easily to the Nexus. Other than that, it's pointless and I don't see anyone having issues with the lack of a microSD card.
Oh, you also forgot to comment about the GPU tests and the camera. Is the Rezound a bad phone? No, but if you want long term support, I don't think you're going to beat the Nexus as it will see several updates in the future, and even if Google stops updating it, the community will keep it going. Plus, any issues you see can be fixed by the community before Google gets around to it, so you can see fixes faster if there are problems. The Rezound? It will probably see an OTA to ICS, then probably two more OTAs for bug fixes, after that, probably not much. Good luck getting AOSP on it, as that will take a long time, if ever; just see the Thunderbolt as an example. Community driven fixes? When's the last time HTC took bug fix advice from the public if it wasn't a security issue?
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Just checked the Rezound forum. Apparently they already have an ICS ROM thanks to an ICS leak for the "Sensation XL", whatever that is.
As for AMOLED, unfortunately it's not mature enough yet and drains more battery than LCD as well as having inaccurate colors and oversaturation. And with a 720p pentile you won't notice the pixels but I don't think the sharpness would be as good as a true 720p RGB screen (I could be wrong, but I personally wouldn't bother taking the chance).
As for Beats Audio, I kinda figured you wouldn't be able to get hi-fi music quality without a proprietary port.
Also one other thing that (for me) is a real deal-breaker is lack of microSD slot on the GNexus. I have no idea what Google was thinking there.
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Haha Rezound. You can keep that fat, whored-out (Beats scam, bloated up, Sense..), cheesy red colored locked-down brick. HTC is really becoming like Motorola by locking down their devices which creates delays and frustration for people like us. It will receive an update sure.. once. Until they release their new Super Amazing Incredible Orgasmic Deluxe 4G.
Also I hate the volume and power buttons on that phone, they are pretty much flush and have no tactile feel (mushy), don't even start on the horrendous battery life of HTC phones.
Sure the GNEX might not be ideal in every way, but neither is the Rezound. Just because you prefer it doesn't mean everyone else does too
I'd take SAMOLED Plus over LCD, but my personal experience with Pentile (browsing at Verizon store) has been pretty negative.
My point with the SD card was for the sake of extra storage. This is one of the most irritating aspects of the iPhone. These days there are 64 GB microSDXC cards out. The 32 GB card price keeps falling.
I'd wait too. I would want something with dev support like the Galaxy Nexus, but at least 8 MP rear-facing camera and hopefully >2 MP front-facing.
Go with the Nexus if you need a phone now....I have it and I love it. There are almost too many developers on that phone, which is a nice change coming from the charge.
The thing that annoys me most about the Rezound is the power button is on the wrong side of the phone. I use either my thumb or pointer finger of my right hand to push the power button. It's pretty awkward doing that on the rezound. Maybe it's just me lol