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If figure that this would be the place to ask these questions considering that there is no general HTC forum on this board and that I expect a decent amount of conversation about hboot and S-OFF to converge here. My questions are about the boot process and the specifics about how the RTOS that operates the baseband runs on HTC's new devices.
1: I have learned that on most phones, the baseband processor and the application process boot and operate independently of each other. If I am correct, HTC is using Qualcomm's Snapdragon SoC in its newest devices, which includes a higher level of integration between the baseband and application processors. They may even be indistinguishable as far as I know. hboot is not verified by the hardware but verifies any updates to itself, as far as the Flyer is concerned. Knowing that S-OFF allows for the loading of custom radio firmware implies that hboot verifies the baseband's software, and therefore is the absolute root of trust of trust on HTC's devices. What mechanism allows the baseband software and the Linux kernel to run side-by-side without interfering with the other's processes? The only way I can see this working is if a hypervisor is running on the device or the baseband has more privileges.
2: Revolutionary changes S-ON to S-OFF whereas Unrevoked could only patch one of the bootloaders (I think) to ignore secuflag because secuflag was inaccessible. This appears to contradict the statement in the above paragraph that hboot is the root of trust and loads both the baseband firmware and the application firmware. Which is it or is there something I am missing?
3: What is the difference between hboot and the SPL (Secondary Program Loader, I believe. Think HSPL.)?
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I am bumping this thread.
Another bump.
And another one.
Your best bet would be asking Agrabren on twitter. He's been working on getting S-OFF before we got Revolutionary to give the S-OFF. If you look at he EVO 3D forums, there was a lot of chatter and PDF files on how everything was linked together. Since the EVO 3D and Sensation are pretty much the same except the Ram and 3D features, it's the same work.
Edit:There was also an PDF file with the schematics of everything on the motherboard and how everything connected, what booted what. I'll try to find it and I'll private message it to you and post on this thread.
Also, on HTC devices as far as I know, the Radio is the trust of everything, It controls everything on the device. Ever since the G2 was released (this is when they introduced some heavy duty locks and wasn't easy as previous devices), I've also been following up on how everything is controlled on these phones. During the 2 months that it took devs to gain S=OFF, I've read IRC logs and tried everything and got a good idea of how everything works.
But here's what I know. Once the radio is S=OFF then we have *COMPLETE* control over our phones. With the bootloader S=OFF and radio S=OFF, we can still flash recovery, different ENG bootloader but cannot flash any unsigned radio images.
When the phone boots up though, I know the first thing that is booted is the radio, then bootloader, kernel, and OS. (I might have missed one or two more things that's also booted and checked).
The bootloader also checks kernel, and system partition if they are signed with HTC's private keys. If the system partition is changed on a device with S=ON, the system will be changed the way it was back from the factory, this is the reason we have temp root.
Also the baseband has it's own processes in Android and Android will never allow you to modify the radio while it's booted.
Through my conversations with globatron, I was under the impression hboot was the root of trust.
Does anyone else care to comment?
Edit: I have seen some custom radios for HTC's Android phones. What the mechanism is, I don't know.
Yes,I'm follow u
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that's an interesting question.. i'll have to follow and do some research on it myself
That's more in-depth than I know. What I *do* know is that the s-off flag is kept in the NVRAM. Who reads it and uses it? Probably the radio first.
EDIT: Definitely the radio first, because if you flash an ENG bootloader then go back to S-ON, it bricks the device.
Is that because the radio boots first?
Yes, as agabren pointed out, the radio sets the security keys. If you have a S-off radio then you're pretty much free.
That's also why most devs attack the radio first to gain FULL control of the device.
Even if the bootloader sstates its locked, only the bootloader is, not the radio.
The radio is the most important. The best thing you could do is search for the G2 s-off irc logs. There's a website (I forgot) by a dev that mapped out everything. How everything works on HTC devices. I'll try to find it.
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I has been hoping that hboot was first. I don't like the baseband-application architecture. I don't like designs with two or more independent systems. Just a matter of taste (as dumb as that sounds).
I have another question: does the radio boot hboot or are the two processes started separately at boot time?
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xdviper said:
Yes, as agabren pointed out, the radio sets the security keys. If you have a S-off radio then you're pretty much free.
That's also why most devs attack the radio first to gain FULL control of the device.
Even if the bootloader sstates its locked, only the bootloader is, not the radio.
The radio is the most important. The best thing you could do is search for the G2 s-off irc logs. There's a website (I forgot) by a dev that mapped out everything. How everything works on HTC devices. I'll try to find it.
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Hi,
I own a HTC Sensation, but the bootloader shows UNLOCKED, S-ON and hboot 1.23.0000. I wanted to get the S-OFF. Can you help me? Or wait for the new issue in the Revolutionary?
Thanks
djnero666 said:
Hi,
I own a HTC Sensation, but the bootloader shows UNLOCKED, S-ON and hboot 1.23.0000. I wanted to get the S-OFF. Can you help me? Or wait for the new issue in the Revolutionary?
Thanks
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Start a new thread. I am really sick of replies that have nothing to do with the topic.
djnero666 said:
Hi,
I own a HTC Sensation, but the bootloader shows UNLOCKED, S-ON and hboot 1.23.0000. I wanted to get the S-OFF. Can you help me? Or wait for the new issue in the Revolutionary?
Thanks
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You need to flash an older h boot, 1.17, however, if you used HTC unlock method I am not sure about s off using Revolutionary, it used to not be possible. IDK, maybe it's changed now.
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Does the NVRAM reside on a separate chip?
So I made a toolkit for 3 HTC phones. You can see them in my signature. Would you guys / girls be interested in using a toolkit for an All-In-One use. If so, please let me know and I can work on it and probably have it up by tonight. Thanks!
hasoon2000 said:
So I made a toolkit for 3 HTC phones. You can see them in my signature. Would you guys / girls be interested in using a toolkit for an All-In-One use. If so, please let me know and I can work on it and probably have it up by tonight. Thanks!
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I'm not sure what that is, and haven't chased down your links. Be a few hours before I get a chance to scout it out - i'm just skimming general since I just got back to my dev station and am getting my night started.
I'll just go ahead an say yes, and i'd use it for something, and appreciate the development of it.
Anyone who is willing to take the time to develop tools for working with the device should be encouraged to do so - the more resources at our fingertips allows for more productivity.
Also, as developers move on over time and large online file-hosts are no longer safe cloud storage, the more people who write tool packages for the device specifically enables future devs a higher chance of having the tools available over the long haul as people move on to other devices.
So, peg me as one vote for a variety of reasons even beyond the quick justification for your work here.
I welcome your interest in making something for the device and would like to take a minute to thank you for any work you want to do on it - definitely there is interest!
Blue6IX said:
I'm not sure what that is, and haven't chased down your links. Be a few hours before I get a chance to scout it out - i'm just skimming general since I just got back to my dev station and am getting my night started.
I'll just go ahead an say yes, and i'd use it for something, and appreciate the development of it.
Anyone who is willing to take the time to develop tools for working with the device should be encouraged to do so - the more resources at our fingertips allows for more productivity.
Also, as developers move on over time and large online file-hosts are no longer safe cloud storage, the more people who write tool packages for the device specifically enables future devs a higher chance of having the tools available over the long haul as people move on to other devices.
So, peg me as one vote for a variety of reasons even beyond the quick justification for your work here.
I welcome your interest in making something for the device and would like to take a minute to thank you for any work you want to do on it - definitely there is interest!
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Thank you for your input.
The toolkits I make do the following:
- Install HTC Drivers
- Flash Kernels
- Flash Recoveries
- S-Off via Revolutionary (if available) / Unlock bootloader via HTCDev (if available)
- Boot into recovery/bootloader
- etc.
There are buttons that you press once and it will do what you want.
I can unlock my HTC Amaze bootloader and flash a recovery within 5 mins.
I really appreciate your input. It is very thoughtful and meaningful.
I am looking to spread my toolkit to many HTC devices and possibly other devices as well. I just finished making one for the Rezound since I received a lot of support and feedback.
I hope as well to receive support and would like to feel welcomed to a new area of the forum.
Heck yea I would be interested. I not too savvy on how to root, but.this sounds fool proof if it involves one button. If I
Understand.correctly.
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This should help all the people and existing users. I will try to get it up tonight. Have a lot of homework and some exams this week.
Awesome - We just cracked S-OFF to S-On reversal Here
So that might be something to consider for your tool too.
Don't worry about stretching yourself too thin to get it out the door - take care of the important things first. We all understand that you do this kind of stuff when you can, and when not that's cool.
We're all here in our spare time as we can give it - I look forward to anything you want to put together!
Blue6IX said:
Awesome - We just cracked S-OFF to S-On reversal Here
So that might be something to consider for your tool too.
Don't worry about stretching yourself too thin to get it out the door - take care of the important things first. We all understand that you do this kind of stuff when you can, and when not that's cool.
We're all here in our spare time as we can give it - I look forward to anything you want to put together!
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I am still trying to understand what the tool does lol. If you are on S-Off (only rare devices have it I believe), then you can go back to S-On and go back to S-Off?
I am aiming to get the toolkit up by Wednesday. First 3 days this week is gonna be long on me
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I am still trying to understand what the tool does lol. If you are on S-Off (only rare devices have it I believe), then you can go back to S-On and go back to S-Off?
I am aiming to get the toolkit up by Wednesday. First 3 days this week is gonna be long on me
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Its not rare to be s-off.
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leoilios said:
Its not rare to be s-off.
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Not all the latest devices have S-Off. For example, the Amaze 4G, the Rezound. That is what I was trying to say.
:thumbup: Ill use it, I use HTC Super Tool! Its amazing. Your tool seems simular
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hasoon2000 said:
I am still trying to understand what the tool does lol. If you are on S-Off (only rare devices have it I believe), then you can go back to S-On and go back to S-Off? ...
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Yes and no -
If on 1.44.0007 hboot version you can S-OFF via the Revolutionary method.
Figured out how to turn that back S-ON again - and afterwards you can S-OFF again using the Rev method. (But only if NOT on hboot 1.45.0013 with S-ON)
You may also run the PG59IMG.zip that restores to factory stock condition whether S-ON or OFF (it's an HTC signed package) and still be either S-ON or OFF depending on what you were when you ran it - your security status is preserved.
When you update to the most recent software version, it will replace your hboot with a 1.45.0013 version...here's the skinny:
If you are S-OFF and upgrade to the most recent OTA then you may freely flash back to the original retail stock condition using the first PG59IMG.zip, or use the new one to flash fresh straight to the most recent software version.
You may also replace your hboot whenever you want.
If, however, you are S-ON and advance to the most recent OTA, that's a one-way trip right now. You will no longer be able to use the Rev method to S-OFF, you will no longer be able to reset before the most recent OTA, and you cannot replace your hboot. You cannot replace your radio.
You also have to flash boot.img seperately from any custom ROM that uses a custom kernel.
So, if S-ON or OFF on versions:
1.28.531.9 (software)
1.28.531.10 (software)
With hboots:
1.44.0006 (factory S-OFF)
1.44.0007 (retail launch)
1.44.1107 (Revolutionary)
... you may do whatever you want.
With S-OFF and:
1.55.531.3 (software)
1.45.0013 (hboot)
...you may still do whatever you want.
With S-ON and:
1.55.531.3 (software)
1.45.0013 (hboot)
...you are stuck where you are, with all the restrictions I mentioned above but we got the HTC Unlock tool working now so it's not hopeless, just crippling.
That's most of it laid out, the rest is kinda common sense but questions always welcome. If "I don't know" wasn't a valid answer no one would ever learn anything.
Edit:
Also, yogi2010 verified earlier that flashing the PG59IMG.zip file (not sure which - probably both though) doesn't wipe out LOCK/UNLOCK status.
It appears that LOCK/UNLOCK and S-ON/OFF are device specific and not so much hboot specific.
When I flash the S-ON copies of hboots people have graciously given me, they read S-OFF on my S-OFFed device. Whether that's a function of what Rev did to it or not is something i'm exploring now.
Hopefully yogi2010 will see this and add what he found about the LOCK/UNLOCk status for flashing the PG59IMG.zip files to clear that up a bit
Alright guys. I feel pretty bad saying that I was gonna update this by yesterday and I couldn't. (No wonder why devs hate making ETAs) A lot came into my life. A lot of school as well as my brother's wife will be giving birth to their first child really soon! Pretty exciting.
For those with requests / updates they want me to add, please PM me the link/info/what device it is for. It will be easier to add in. Thanks!
No worries man, we all have life stuff that pops up. We're in no hurry here.
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Hi all. im new to this scene and need some advice. originally all i wanted was to root my phone to get rid of 'manufacture installed apps' that i never use. now im looking into it and hear about the s-off capabilities. i want to try it out,but fear i may brick my phone as i dont fully understand all the terminologies people use and the programs affiliated. is there somebody who can explain it all simply and the risks involved? i have looked into many forums so far, but people are speaking a language i dont understand!
what is:
eMMC
De-Branding
Flashing
RUU
Bootloader
any help is greatly apprieciated
Craig
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBxiFGexRA. Hope this helps you out
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Follow the guides exactly and you wont fail. The Sensation is one of the easiest devices Ive ever rooted. It is literally a 2 minute opperation to get s-off.
Sent from a rebel ship by storing the message in an R2 unit. (Help me, XDA. You're my only hope)
well - I think that if this thread is a brief info for newbies it is important to mention that there is no way to do S-OFF if you have updated your device to ICS and hboot 1.27.0000 before you start. TRKAAA have given me an excellent overview of the options for the moment in that case
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1472298&highlight=trkaa&page=32
Read the guides and download all the necessary files, use the search to look for what means what. and also read carefully the guide to s-off and root. Is a BIG help.
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so i finally have a htc sensation now...
i want to root it...
version: 4.0.3......
DR_MOOSAVI said:
so i finally have a htc sensation now...
i want to root it...
version: 4.0.3......
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As you want 4.0.3 first you should make your device ics flashable
For that this is the best guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Follow every step carefully
Then you can flash custom Rom of your choice
For ARHD you can follow the thread posted earlier by henrylar
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My tip is to read, read, read then read it again. Make sure your totally comfortable about the procedure and what is supposed to happen and what can happen. And if you get stuck, SEARCH. what ever happens to you, guaranteed 100% its happened to someone else.
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@ everyone who's responded so far: I don't think you're understanding what he's asking for. You can't follow the guides word-for-word when there's words you don't understand in it, like flash. And even if the instructions were completely dumbed-down, some people would actually like to understand what and why they're doing this instead of blindly following orders. Plus, outside of the step-by-step instructions, writers will use the lingo again. These are terms that should really be addressed in the n00b guide but aren't. I'm just moving to the Sensation, and it's my first HTC phone, and it can be quite confusing!
@Craig:
Google is your friend. Just type in something like "RUU android" (without quotes) and you'll find plenty of answers. But, as someone who just spent several days trying to understand the lingo, I know that it takes time and sometimes some awesome searching skills to find the answers. Plus, I like explaining concepts I've just learned to others to make sure I definitely understand them! So, here you go:
eMMC: Embedded MultiMedia Card. Basically, it's like an SD card that's integrated into the hardware (and obviously can't be removed).
De-Branding: Most carriers load extra software/mods onto their devices. For example, you might have an app to interact with your account, see how many minutes you've used, pay bills, etc. You might also have a bootscreen (the one that plays right before the lockscreen shows up and can go on and on for several minutes depending on what mods you've just done) that has your carrier's logo, and various apps for other services, and a lot of other junk. When you "debrand" your phone, you're removing all the changes the carrier made and reverting to the manufacturer's version of the ROM.
Flashing: This basically means "installing from fastboot/recovery mode". The term refers to the "flash memory" in your device that's being used in the process.
RUU: ROM Update Utility. It's actually a PC application (made by HTC) that helps you update your ROM. The ROM it will install is bundled with it, so there's many RUUs available. For that reason, the term is frequently used to refer to a carrier-specific ROM. Very helpful if you want to unroot your phone and make the carrier think you've never done anything that voids the warranty.
Bootloader: Loads up the boot sequence on your device. It's the very first thing that runs when you power on your device (or computer, or anything that has an OS), and tells it (after some little self-tests) the physical location of the OS and how to start it.
Some good resources that aren't specific to the Sensation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=805247
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1146601 (the "general guides")
Nobody could help but finally i managed to take the risk and it paid off thankfully.
It is the easiest way to unroot, remove superuser, revolutionary and to restore hboot back to normal and S-On again, to get official updates including ICS.
Download the attachment "usmanxhmed.rar", it has Android Flasher and FlashENGHBOOT.
Attach your phone to PC with USB cable, make sure you have HTC fastboot drivers installed.
Open Android Flasher and select bootloader and browse to the file FlashENGHBOOT which you downloaded in file "usmanxhmed.rar", boot phone into fastboot and click flash.
It will remove REVOLUTIONARY **** from the phone.
Now download your specific RUU from this link http://www.filefactory.com/f/c64d333a2755a421/ i was unsure which is my RUU for the phone as i bought it second hand, my phone was unbranded, i matched the software version and radio version in my software information of the phone and downloaded the specific RUU.
After flashing the RUU my Desire S became factory fresh and back to S - ON and updated my phone with Android 2.3.5 and Sense 3 and hopefully/ may be i will get ICS in future as well
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(Please Don't tell me to search the forums, as my situation is bit different and i am newbie here)
I have Desire S (I bought used from Market and sadly it has S-off with Revolutionary and Superuser App installed)
Problem is that, i get notification of update 1.47.401 and it gets download, when it tried to install after reboot i see android icon with triangle exclamation mark.
Now my situation is different because i have a feeling despite S-off i am on official rom which is 2.3.3, so i want to jump to 2.3.5 and later on official ICS
So i think if i just remove revolutionary and root and S-off to S-On may be, i may able to install the update as i already have official or stock rom in my phone i think.
I have android 2.3.3
software number 1.28.401
Update that i download is 1.47.401
Revolutionary S 0ff
hboot 6.98
I dont even know which hboot i need to get this update to inslall or what i need to do? is there any caring guy who can help beside just taunting as i have seen here?
Forget update, simply flash a custom ROM
Would also suggest that you out ENG boot loader over the alpha Rex one
See INDEX (in my signature) for links
Swyped from my DesireS
@poster
for u to conviniently use htc OTA updates u need to S-ON again
or just forget it and install custom ROMs like Ben just said
cheers
Thanks both of you for replying, its the beauty of God that we all have different mind sets, unlike most guys here, i am a man who would prefer official/stock rom and would prefer to have official updates instead of amateur ROM. May be because
- It causes far less phones to brick
- Manufacturer understands device better then amateur developers
- i see no special advantage of custom ROM over stock rom
- i can live life without root and s off as i can have more secure android experience
- Manufacturer invests may be billions to understand the best combination of hardware and software may be that's they don't usually port gingerbread on g1.
- Official update can remove few bugs where as most custom ROMs have bugs as we often read in almost all the posts here thst camera or wifi or tethering is not working yet and so on
- Customs ROMs can over heat the hardware and can damage it as they lack proper hardware knowledge, training and research.
There are endless points due to which some poeple like to stay stock, unlike most here and by above points i am not saying lovers of custom that they are wrong or not demotivating them at all, just sharing my own thoughts due to which i think i better have stock rom in normal circumstances.
So is there any (expert) guy who can help me to resolve my problem instead of telling me to get custom ROM, which i know my self, and which i said i don't want. Its ok not having 2.3.5 but i will be unlucky not to have official ICS if it gets available on my phone.
Wow! where to start...I'll leave that for now (although you may wish to re-consider your use of the word amateur as its rather insulting).
I believe that you need to flash the (98.2) ENG hboot over your Revolutionay (6.98).
See previous post of instructions here
You need to know if the phone is branded or un-branded and from which country/region its from in order to download the correct RUU.
I'd then suggest that you download your stock RUU and run that from the PC which will reset your recovery to stock and un-root you phone, you should then be in a position to request an OTA.
@usmanxhmed
A simple question comes to my mind after reading your post: why are you posting your issue here instead asking HTC support? I hope they will be as half friendly as Ben is. Thanks to God of course
Sent from my HTC Desire S
Well? support from HTC? firstly they may not bother to reply being HTC, not the best in customer service like any big company, secondly my phone is rooted, so its not there fault for them to fix it, thirdly here i have common guys just like me, may be someone with situation just like me.
Yeah use of word Amateur sounds rude here, bit insulting too, but if we are willing to face the reality, that is truth, they are not developing to earn living, they are not manufacturing devices giving warranties, instead saving there soul in every post we are not responsible, as they are greatly unsure about the validity of everything they are teaching/guiding here and on and on and on, so all of this must be categorized as Amateur.
See the people of Revolutionary? after ruining/screwing the warranty and OTA of all phones, they are unable to give simple guide to undo there mess? Most procedures here are with warnings and posts users that they bricked there devices? With custom ROMs no processor is converted from single core to dual y magic so i should want custom ROM so badly.
It may work, it may brick phone, my screen stuck there, it stuck here, camera not working, wifi not working, lagging? For a poor guy like me who can't change phone weekly these things are somewhat burden. Nokia/HTC/Apple will give one click software updates and they will not tell you do it on your own risk, you may brick your phone, they online tell you if you disconnect cable than your device may not work, it does not mean they are brick prove, but more reliable thats why they are professional and brothers here are amateurs.
I don't know, i just bought used phone with revolutionary root and i can't install update even after downloading it, i don't know my phone belongs to which compnay, which RUU i need, which hboot i need out of 20 out there, single mistake can brick my phone without even letting it fall on ground from my hand, let me sleep and live with 2.3.3
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Well? support from HTC? firstly they may not bother to reply being HTC, not the best in customer service like any big company, secondly my phone is rooted, so its not there fault for them to fix it, thirdly here i have common guys just like me, may be someone with situation just like me.
Yeah use of word Amateur sounds rude here, bit insulting too, but if we are willing to face the reality, that is truth, they are not developing to earn living, they are not manufacturing devices giving warranties, instead saving there soul in every post we are not responsible, as they are greatly unsure about the validity of everything they are teaching/guiding here and on and on and on, so all of this must be categorized as Amateur.
See the people of Revolutionary? after ruining/screwing the warranty and OTA of all phones, they are unable to give simple guide to undo there mess? Most procedures here are with warnings and posts users that they bricked there devices? With custom ROMs no processor is converted from single core to dual y magic so i should want custom ROM so badly.
It may work, it may brick phone, my screen stuck there, it stuck here, camera not working, wifi not working, lagging? For a poor guy like me who can't change phone weekly these things are somewhat burden. Nokia/HTC/Apple will give one click software updates and they will not tell you do it on your own risk, you may brick your phone, they online tell you if you disconnect cable than your device may not work, it does not mean they are brick prove, but more reliable thats why they are professional and brothers here are amateurs.
I don't know, i just bought used phone with revolutionary root and i can't install update even after downloading it, i don't know my phone belongs to which compnay, which RUU i need, which hboot i need out of 20 out there, single mistake can brick my phone without even letting it fall on ground from my hand, let me sleep and live with 2.3.3
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huhu...i dont think that peoples here are amateurs...they've come up with much better custom roms than official one i believe...
I believe this can be quite long and useless discussion. Just to mention some of the devs around ARE working for the big companies.
Anyway back to topic. To restore to stock you will find all the necessary info in the second half of the amateur guide about emmc in my signature. Good luck
Sent from my HTC Desire S
For someone after assistance, I do find you're attitude negative and insulting. The forum is full of various guides and sticky threads which contain most of the information that you require, your problem is not unique and therefore had been solved many times over in the past and therefore is well documented here on the forum.
While you may be correct in that many people here at Xda are either young and starting out or merely interested novices and therefore could be classed as ameteurs
I think that you'll find that the developers of the most popular ROMs are in fact professional programmers who code here, in their spare time for the benefit of others.
Swyped from my DesireS
I have nothing against the love for developing, that people have over here, obviously its a skill, but do let me know they develop for the benefit of whom or i mean what are the benefits of developing to a normal consumer.
Over here i found good guides for revolutionary and rooting but there is no detailed/complete guide to undo the stuff, in fact the most of famous guide to undo now claims that i closed this topic, you can find that forum everywhere here which most people link to me, the guy says he is sick of brick phones so he is taking off the guide.
No guide tells for which stock version which hboot is required, nobody tells which RUU version i need when i don't know my Desire belongs to which country, as i cannot find where to locate it.
The only thing i understand here revolutionary dirt is most painful to undo as i remember i unrooted my xperia x10mini with almost one click with some software like superone by connecting to my PC.
Now i understand what benefits developers are giving to consumers here, which can be
- Loss of warranty
- Plenty of dead phones
- One developer narrates if your phones bricks during my guide and if you will complain from me, i will laugh on you, sure you must
- Robbing you from facility of One Click OTA
- OTA usually remove bugs and adds functionality so you can't have it
- And on and on and on
According to my thoughts, xda developers should be bringing solutions to current problems and limitations, instead of doing above mentioned thing to already working phone, Now i think my Old Symbian phone was better at least i could get OTA just by changing product code in a second with ease.
Anyways thanks for everyone who tried to help and i am sorry for being bit cheeky and playful here.
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I have nothing against the love for developing, that people have over here, obviously its a skill, but do let me know they develop for the benefit of whom or i mean what are the benefits of developing to a normal consumer.
Over here i found good guides for revolutionary and rooting but there is no detailed/complete guide to undo the stuff, in fact the most of famous guide to undo now claims that i closed this topic, you can find that forum everywhere here which most people link to me, the guy says he is sick of brick phones so he is taking off the guide.
No guide tells for which stock version which hboot is required, nobody tells which RUU version i need when i don't know my Desire belongs to which country, as i cannot find where to locate it.
The only thing i understand here revolutionary dirt is most painful to undo as i remember i unrooted my xperia x10mini with almost one click with some software like superone by connecting to my PC.
Now i understand what benefits developers are giving to consumers here, which can be
- Loss of warranty
- Plenty of dead phones
- One developer narrates if your phones bricks during my guide and if you will complain from me, i will laugh on you, sure you must
- Robbing you from facility of One Click OTA
- OTA usually remove bugs and adds functionality so you can't have it
- And on and on and on
According to my thoughts, xda developers should be bringing solutions to current problems and limitations, instead of doing above mentioned thing to already working phone, Now i think my Old Symbian phone was better at least i could get OTA just by changing product code in a second with ease.
Anyways thanks for everyone who tried to help and i am sorry for being bit cheeky and playful here.
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Buddy I hope you get well soon...really bad way to ask for help and insult people here....if you have so many problems with you phone please return it and never buy a HTC phone and before you say something about other have a look at their profile and I belive this is the most friendly forum and no other forum would ever tolerate what ever you have posted....
Anyways all the best....
Risk it to get the biscut...
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA
usmanxhmed said:
but do let me know they develop for the benefit of whom or i mean what are the benefits of developing to a normal consumer.
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Let me see....
- Overall (way) faster phone
- Batterylife that doubles or more (this alone is worth a custom rom!)
- OTA updates are still added to the custom roms, so no benefit for you
- Sometimes bugs that the 'great HTC developers' left in are removed
- Lot`s of 'under the hood' tweaks that make your phone faster, safer and better
- Garbage from HTC that is removed
- Nice tweaks in screenbrightness, wakeup with volume keys etc. etc.
Since you are already s-off with revolutionary i can`t see why you want to take the hard and tricky way to go back to s-on. (The OTA reason is not legit and your warranty is already gone)
Just fyi, there are also 100% stock untweaked up-to-date roms you can flash with ClockWorkMod Recovery...
usmanxhmed said:
(Please Don't tell me to search the forums, as my situation is bit different and i am newbie here)
I have Desire S (I bought used from Market and sadly it has S-off with Revolutionary and Superuser App installed)
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Hi,
I can understand you. I was thinking nearly same like you when I bought my DS. After 6-7 months later of purchase my DS, I decided to S-OFF and flash a custom rom. First I flashed Endymion (than 2-3 roms too but used them for 1-2 hours) and I started to like my DS again. It took months for Sense 3 update and we're still waiting for ICS for ages. I can understand about your worries but XDA's Dev community working harder than manufacturer's devs. Getting new updates very quickly, and there lots of ICS roms by devs. So you should respect them.
You can flash Eng Hboot (this topic) then download official stock 2.10.401.8 rom from here. Follow instructions after connect your DS to PC
Thanks for helping and being kind, my rude language was partially explained by my current rude life may be and thanks for tolerating me. Custom ROMs may be cool, but don't you guys think the % of bricked phones are more here? for example if i download and install a ROM from clockwork by following instructions, can i be next to sure if i will boot up next time?
I may have to have it the hard way or i will have to ignore android versions and just use the phone for the sake of phone like an Old Man or a Girl.
Yet i hope, men at Revolutionary or at XDA could bring one easy and assured way to undo revolutionary and its root.
Hey,
Sorry if this is annoying, but I'm buying a Sensation next week and I'm confused about a few things. I've read a lot of the threads here and I'm still really confused on where to start with this phone. I'm not a total noob to android, as I have a sidekick right now but from the looks of the forums this phone is quite different with stuff like root, custom roms, etc., so I'm pretty much a complete noob with this one. So where do I start with this phone? I'm not sure in what order to do things and for some reasons I'm confused by the guide threads (what order to go in, etc.).
If anyone can help at all that'd be awesome.
Thank you!
magnoidgoat said:
Hey,
Sorry if this is annoying, but I'm buying a Sensation next week and I'm confused about a few things. I've read a lot of the threads here and I'm still really confused on where to start with this phone. I'm not a total noob to android, as I have a sidekick right now but from the looks of the forums this phone is quite different with stuff like root, custom roms, etc., so I'm pretty much a complete noob with this one. So where do I start with this phone? I'm not sure in what order to do things and for some reasons I'm confused by the guide threads (what order to go in, etc.).
If anyone can help at all that'd be awesome.
Thank you!
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Obviously you want to root the phone.. Just start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Then flash away whatever ROM you like..
Sindroid said:
Obviously you want to root the phone.. Just start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Then flash away whatever ROM you like..
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That thread is outdated and that s-off method will not work unless the phone is still on GB, if the hboot is 1.17 then you can use that guide, but if the hboot is 1.2x (x stands for any number) then use this tool and read the first post carefully http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1668276
P.S To find hboot take out phone battery and then place it back in and hold the power button and volume down at the same time until you see a white screen, which should show you your hboot version at the top.
Like the person above me said, you first need to find out what Hboot is it. I have just started rooting last week, about few days ago I successfully rooted my Sensation 4G with no problems and installed Custom Rom. If your Hboot is 1.18 or lower, it easier to use the thread given above which is what I used to root my Sensation 4G which it Hboot was 1.18. If your Hboot is 1.2X, it not gonna be as easy. What I did before rooting ever, was find information about rooting, and Custom Roms, recoveries, etc. to learn more about how to root and to do it properly so you don't **** up your phone. If you follow instructions carefully, you will have no problem, trust me, rooting is piece of cake. Here is a thread that will guide you of rooting http://androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/221212-faq-rooting-updated-7th-april-2012-a.html#14 It will tell you mostly everything about rooting.