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I know this has been covered in many other threads but they seem to be fragmented into some suggestions for specific problems. Researching, following and applying the information, tips and software some have suggested I am still getting nowhere. My battery dies in a very short period of time - something like 4-6 hours.
I have installated, executed / implemented many of the suggestions and procedures here and on fuze-mobility to extend battery life. These are representative. I think there have been probably more but I cannot remember them.
HTC Power Management
SD Card Battery Saver
Taskmgr - to kill / stop Activiesync (replog.exec) from continuously cycling
Advanced Configuration Tool to turn on and off 3G
Registry Edit modifications on both the Fuze and associated laptop related to Activesync Update cycles
Activesync - added new server, made timing manual, deleted server.
Charging processes - Letting battery run all the way down to below 10%
Lowering brightness on my screen
I have ordered and am waiting for an extended battery for the Fuze.
The only thing I see is when viewing what is executing via the Taskmgr CPU Usage panel, I see that most of the time the Idle process is executing. (75+%). Although I have read some threads where folks have said this is good because nothing else is draining your power, just because the process says "idle" does not seem to me to be doing nothing..it is still cranking through and using cycles to go through its designated activities.
Is there a way to indicate the interval when the idle process cycles?
Anyone have this same situation? Any suggestions?
That sounds very bad. Most complaints are about it being less than a day, noy 4-6 hours.
Have you contacted HTC/your supplier to get a replacement battery?
Also, idle is not a process, it's the absence of a process...
I'm not an expert on the ARM architecture, but idle processes are processes that use the CPU when all other processes are waiting for something or when there are no other processes running. They don't necessarily do anything constructive (they essentially just 'mind' the CPU until another process needs it), but they often feed the CPU with power-saving instructions. In conclusion, ignore it - it's not causing any problems and there's no point in fiddling with it.
That sort of a battery life is absolutely ridiculous, and you've clearly had a good go at increasing it, so I my best guess would be that it's defective.
Thanks for the quick responses.
I would still like to investigate the "idle" process angle. As long as something accesses the CPU, cycles are being executed and power is being used. Depending on what the "idle" process is doing with the 75+% "time" it has control of the CPU lots of power could be being used / drained.
Not sure how to go about this yet but I'm sure there is a way to find out what is going on during the "idle" process time holding the CPU.
If anyone know please share.....
Wow, it seems like the battey life on these things just keeps getting worse and worse. I remember going from the Hermes to the Kaiser and thinking how much worse the battery life was on the Kaiser.
The features keep increasing and batteries are having a hard time keeping up, I think.
there is alot to blame here. the good news there is a fix for almost every culprit.
1st....touch flow 3d. this thing demands alot of battery life. Not too mention its always running. Att has also seem to have added a few things to the touch flo interface that may have had an impact on this as well.
2nd....the applications these days seem to be getting bigger and bigger every few months. its not uncommon to see an app eating up 7 to 10 mb of ram. jivetalk...opera...the new aim??? the thing about this....the more ram an app takes up, the more batt power is consumes.
by the way...this is not a problem native to windows mobile...take a look at Google's g1....the batt life on that phone is even worse than your stock fuze...and after i've been digging through the phone....i found out all the apps are over 5 mb....madness! Also, the iphone has had this problem....and still does. but the iphone doesn't allow for background processing....so large programs running in the background aren't really that much of an issue.
3rd...att! in a noble attempt to cram the fuze with everything under the hood and give it the title it truly deserve (a phone capable of doing everything) they've weighed the os down with crap ware.
4th...the att radio that ships with the phone....its horrid. you'd never belive how much better some of the other radios are vs. the shipped att radio. its almost ridiculous that att would ship the phone with such a poor radio.
5th....htc. The batt in the phone is no bigger than the one offered in the tilt. But lets keep in mind, the same size batt now has to power faster processor....more ram...and a brighter more high res screen. Why they didnt up the power of the batt? who the hell knows...i guess to keep the phone nice a small...but its def a trade off.
I want you to try a cooked rom....try romeos 1.4 or the new proven.....change your radio to the shipped orange....make sure you spl before doing both.
and post back. im sure you'll have a different experience.
wrjp said:
Thanks for the quick responses.
I would still like to investigate the "idle" process angle. As long as something accesses the CPU, cycles are being executed and power is being used. Depending on what the "idle" process is doing with the 75+% "time" it has control of the CPU lots of power could be being used / drained.
Not sure how to go about this yet but I'm sure there is a way to find out what is going on during the "idle" process time holding the CPU.
If anyone know please share.....
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I'm going to save you a ton of wasted hours in your life....or at least give you something else to waste those hours on. Stop the witch hunt on the "Idle" process. Open up the task manager on your desktop/laptop and look for the Idle process on there. If you pay attention (and do a little guessing), you'll see that the idle process consumes the remaining percentage of the CPU after the other applications have had their cut, however if you look at the total usage, you'll see that it doesn't include the Idle process.
There's a reason for this. It's lying to you....
There is no "Idle" process, it's just a way for the operating system to indicate how much processing power is not being used by applications. There's certainly something going on during those empty cycles, but it's operations that the core of the operating system is doing. Another poster mentioned that one of the things it's doing is sending power-saving instructions, which is basically true (but it's more in the form of telling the processor that there's nothing to do and letting it decide to save power).
The idle process cannot go away, and the closer you get it to 100% the better (relatively speaking, as it means you're doing nothing with the phone and removed any cool features it had). As long as the phone is on there's going to be at least a trickle of power going through the processor so the core of the operating system (i.e. Kernel) can perform it's necessary actions...just like the brain or heart does in your own body, even at rest they are still working a little bit.
Truthfully, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with your battery issues. I've got a Fuze also, and the ONLY time that I saw the battery die in 6 hours was when I was talking on it for about 3 1/2 or 4 hours in one afternoon. Otherwise, that thing, even on the stock rom, has given me nothing like the trouble your describing. I've flashed NATF's rom onto it (didn't like ROMeOS that much, just felt a little too laggy for me) and the new Austrailian radio .20M1 and the battery life seems even better. I don't think you're doing something wrong, I think you've got a lemon phone. Return it to the store complaining about the battery life on it not matching that of any of the other Fuze's you've seen anybody else using, then get a new one and try that out.
4-6 hours? Consider yourself lucky. I can get that if I don't touch the phone and no one calls. If I use the phone as a normal person might, I can get 2 hours. I don't even consider it a mobile phone. It's stays plugged into something all day.
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4-6 hours? Consider yourself lucky. I can get that if I don't touch the phone and no one calls. If I use the phone as a normal person might, I can get 2 hours. I don't even consider it a mobile phone. It's stays plugged into something all day.
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You have a faulty battery or you don't know how to set up the phone. I'm also using HTC Raphael, and battery lasts 1,5 days with lots of usage. I think that you should search xda for battery tips&tricks, like lowering backlight, turning off WIFI, BT and other. Also, there might be a problem with the ROM and Radio you're using.
The battery was exchanged...twice...the poor battery life was present with nothing but stock apps and all the tips and tricks you suggest were tried, and then some...the problem is endemic with the fuze...I figure as much as I paid I shouldn't have to jump through all the hoops with 3rd party new roms etc. just to get my phone to work like it should...the battery is piece of crap
Hmmm, in that case it could be faulty device - there are plenty of people on Raphael subforum that are using Fuze and battery lasts for most of them 1-2 days.
Whos got Extended battery on there Att Fuze ?
Is it worth the bulk
& which one to get ?
18,00 / 2,000 diff kinds i see
with diff company
Is there a tweak out there that stops the stupid battery from guzzling? Im tired of charing it constantly and I swear it takes hours and hours to charge it back to full power. The thing cant last longer than a day without loosing power I cant stand it. Whats making it use all that power? I thought maybe if I switch wireless it would help but I didnt notice a difference.
I can get 2 days out of my battery.
I let it drain to 1% and then stick it on charge over night. When i get up the battery will be at 100% and then 30 minutes later down to 90% but it settles down after that.
I do not have wifi and bluetooth on all the time, just when I need to.
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Is there a tweak out there that stops the stupid battery from guzzling? Iam tired of charging it constantly and I swear it takes hours and hours to charge it back to full power. The thing cant last longer than a day without loosing power I cant stand it. Whats making it use all that power? I thought maybe if I switch wireless it would help but I didnt notice a difference.
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I don't understand people telling battery lost for 2 days..... even if we keep phone idle it will lose power in 24 hrs i believe....try like this try to use ROM with out manila & with manila once you will know the difference other than that there is some tips to save battery in Energy ROM thread in 3 rd 0r 4th post ..
4 days normal usage.
Manila2, GSM
15 minutes call, 6~10 text message, sync exchange, 30 minute ebook reading per day
If I build rom myself from the kitchen. It usually runs for 2-3 days.
However, in most cases when I try decent cooked ROM, for example, Energy - battery drains in about 5 hours. That's been the case with other cooked roms as well.
I suspect that some popular configuration change done by cooks causes battery to drain in certain environments. Would be nice to find out which change is that.
Processes and services often place a strain on the life of the battery; add to the mix a buggy service or application that further shortens battery life and one has an unusable device.
Another habit that can shorten Li-ON battery life is full discharges - near 0%. One of the members put out a thread a while back on research he/she had done on batteries - worth the read if you haven't already.
Cheers,
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If I build rom myself from the kitchen. It usually runs for 2-3 days.
However, in most cases when I try decent cooked ROM, for example, Energy - battery drains in about 5 hours. That's been the case with other cooked roms as well.
I suspect that some popular configuration change done by cooks causes battery to drain in certain environments. Would be nice to find out which change is that.
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I just had the same experience, cooked for the first time and my battery was better than it has ever been!
Since then I have flashed to RRE 21731 6.3 and it seems my battery has stayed the same (Brilliant, 2 Days no problem).
The only thing ive done differently is I have used the new UK Voda rom as my Stock Rom that i flash before flashing custom, and i believe this may have something to do with it...What, I don't Know.
I also believe changing the Radio After a flash can affect battery life, I always try to flash a new radio before a Custom rom.
I have wondered for some time wether the European Touch Pro is slightly different to the US Fuze in its hardware, Since most Cooked Roms are configured for the Fuze maybe that is what it is?
maybe we will find out..One Day
turn off 3G and you will get much better battery.
Get a Blackberry Bold. My phone has been on for 2 days, sent around 150 texts, got in 150, I'm at 85%
ukjock said:
I can get 2 days out of my battery.
I let it drain to 1% and then stick it on charge over night. When i get up the battery will be at 100% and then 30 minutes later down to 90% but it settles down after that.
I do not have wifi and bluetooth on all the time, just when I need to.
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That will ****-up your battery, you should never let it drain to 1%, just charge it when you have the time, preferably before it drains to about 20%.
I guess it all depends on the eye of the beholder, I come from the Diamond part of XDA, and we are lucky to get 24 hours on the Diam.
I was happpyyyyy with my new TP battery life -compared to Diam that is-
But ya, turning of 3g and being picky about processes and back light helps.
Greets to all.
Search the development and Hacking thread for Windows Long Life/save your gonads. Chainfire is developing a neat application to automatically switch from 3G when not needed. I tried an early version and it seemed to significantly increase my battery life.
Check my sig....it tells you how to deal with Li-ion batteries...
battery stuff on my site
Check out chapter 17. I cover this pretty thoroughly.
Archangel22 said:
Is there a tweak out there that stops the stupid battery from guzzling? Im tired of charing it constantly and I swear it takes hours and hours to charge it back to full power. The thing cant last longer than a day without loosing power I cant stand it. Whats making it use all that power? I thought maybe if I switch wireless it would help but I didnt notice a difference.
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An app that may help is Advanced Task manager, it has a widget to end all running processes/tasks which i tap before putting mine to sleep about 1000+ times a day it seems. go in and exclude ones you may want to exclude always and then its as simple as 1 click. as everyone else said, no gps,wifi,3g when not 100% necessary. also, get widget "toggle disply" from rounded labs and keep your screen completely dim (not like you can't see it...), being able to make it bright when you step outdoors. Also, toggle backlight app for root users keeps the pesky keyboard backlight off when you don't want it on (suggest making keyboard shortcut for quick toggle). last but not least because i'm sure theres plenty more, but yesterday i switched to cyanogen's newest stable ROM and it seems to be much more effective than any other i have tried in the means of saving battery life. had wifi on after a 98% charge for about an hour and a half (30mn usage) and it only went down to 91%... wow. "and that's all, i have to say, about tha-aat"- Forrest Gump
Firstly I don't think this is the right sub-forum for this question since it's not a specific ROM question.
Secondly, try nueDynamicClock, if you use the right settings, you'll extend your batt life by at least 1/2 a day if not more.
alexnoalex said:
If I build rom myself from the kitchen. It usually runs for 2-3 days.
However, in most cases when I try decent cooked ROM, for example, Energy - battery drains in about 5 hours. That's been the case with other cooked roms as well.
I suspect that some popular configuration change done by cooks causes battery to drain in certain environments. Would be nice to find out which change is that.
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It's really very simple. Flash an awesome rom, and the battery burns and burns. Flash a rom you hate, and the battery lasts forever. Don't over-think it.
hi guys.
i was eager to start up this discussion and am glad to find it here itself.
even am really finiky about battery.
tried alot of thing but cudnt find any spcl tweaks.
though i came across some registries from advanced config and other wise also but they seem to be more worse.
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\AsyncMac1\Parms]
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\Irsir1\Parms]
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\PPTP1\Parms]
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\L2TP1\Parms]
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
when i use these tweaks the power consumption of my rom reached to 4.112 volts(as per power detect) which otherwise without these tweaks is 3.992 at startup.
more power consumption i guess means less battery i guess.
and even if its not still these tweaks as per my usage show bad results.
why so?
and arnt there spcl application which can detect the packages which might consume more battery, as i have over 50 packages in my rom and it'll hell to check which eats more.
Some tweaks I do
I have also found for me that disabling these things in advanced config also helps.
Performances
> File System cache: Disabled
> File System filter cache: Disabled
> Glyph Cache: 32kb (advised) I'm not sure if disabling this one is a good idea. I like having a little bit of glyph cache on my device.
Light senor
> Light sensor polling: Disabled.
*Note: If you want to still have light sensor on (this means the auto backlight feature) I would set the:
> Light sensor polling interval: 2000. This will make it poll every 2 seconds instead of every .2 seconds. I would even try setting it to 5000.
The backlight will make a huge difference on how long you battery will last. The brighter it is the more the battery needs to light up that screen. If you turn off the polling all together it will make the battery last longer.
Also running fancy UI apps will also deplete the battery more. Just common sense really as another poster alluded to earlier. The more things you have running and sucking up memory the more battery it will consume. If you disable TF3D or other apps such as this you will get your battery to last longer. Given that these devices are meant to have these types of programs on them you will have to weigh the options of how much you really want to "tone down" your devices to get the most out of your battery.
Also different radios will cause you battery to last longer. I suggest to everybody that they try different radios to see which ones last longer. Also people who live on the edge of 3G and EDGE area will cause the battery to drain faster as it constantly switches in and out of 3G coverage.
WMLongLife is a great app if you don't need 3G while you phone is just sitting in you pocket. It works great for me and when I want to use 3G I simply launch opera and the program will automatically enable 3G once again.
There are many things that you can do to improve your battery life. I encourage everybody to find what is best for them given what they use there device for and try and test things out. The best way to tell which works best for you is to simply try it out for yourself.
**NOTE** I also set all ROMs that I flash with a page pool of 0. I don't know if this has any real effect on battery life but it does seem to make my battery last a little bit longer. Not sure if this is a placebo affect though.
When I calibrate via Battery Calibration after reaching a 0mA remaining charge via that Current Widget, since it takes a full minute or more of heavy lifting to do a real reboot, it's already at 46,000mA by the time i'm back up.
Will the fake/quick reboot i.e. Fast Boot still write the new file?
I think it writes a generic one till it gets real stats. Not sure on this though and I welcome someone to correct me as I have also been interested in this.
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People who have performed the calibration: what does your mA meter in the Current Widget read after you boot back up?
also, I think I flashed 1.82 from Scotts collection of kernels after the fact, is this making things worse?
Halp if I don't get to at least 4 hours screen time with such minimal settings (i'm on 20% brightness ffs) I may have to return this beauty
Battery calibration is a myth... FYI... sigh. Are battery are Li-ION base they can't be calibrated. There's multiple factual sites that can confirm this.
theartialmartist said:
People who have performed the calibration: what does your mA meter in the Current Widget read after you boot back up?
also, I think I flashed 1.82 from Scotts collection of kernels after the fact, is this making things worse?
Halp if I don't get to at least 4 hours screen time with such minimal settings (i'm on 20% brightness ffs) I may have to return this beauty
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Have you tried doing a battery test using htc diag? if not, the process of doing so is as follows:
-Charge your phone to full. (wait till LED light is green)
-Activate airplane mode by going to settings.
-try to kill as much running apps as you can in the background. Don't worry about some of them restarting.
-dial *#*#3424#*#* then select agree.
-select "more" below, and then select battery test. follow the on screen instructions afterward.
-make sure that you check your results exactly after 1 hour later because the screen will stay on even the test is done. So your results might show a different number.
If you get a result lower than 85, you might want to consider exchanging your phone for a new one, or doing a factory reset and trying this test again. In case you are curious, I did the test earlier today to check how mine is doing and got a result of 92. Let us know your results if you indeed do the test.
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Have you tried doing a battery test using htc diag? if not, the process of doing so is as follows:
-Charge your phone to full. (wait till LED light is green)
-Activate airplane mode by going to settings.
-try to kill as much running apps as you can in the background. Don't worry about some of them restarting.
-dial *#*#3424#*#* then select agree.
-select "more" below, and then select battery test. follow the on screen instructions afterward.
-make sure that you check your results exactly after 1 hour later because the screen will stay on even the test is done. So your results might show a different number.
If you get a result lower than 85, you might want to consider exchanging your phone for a new one, or doing a factory reset and trying this test again. In case you are curious, I did the test earlier today to check how mine is doing and got a result of 92. Let us know your results if you indeed do the test.
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thank god there's a semi scientific independent way to verify this. ill run it asap. just to be clear, I just read about this test elsewhere and they mentioned a "score" of 85 vs the battery percent being below 85% after completion, can you clarify? does it matter that im already on cleanrom lite 3.0?
im now suspecting the issue is a combination of sense, 4g and spotty wifi coverage a(considering investing in a new bad ass router with dd-wrt aftermarket firmware)
theartialmartist said:
People who have performed the calibration: what does your mA meter in the Current Widget read after you boot back up?
also, I think I flashed 1.82 from Scotts collection of kernels after the fact, is this making things worse?
Halp if I don't get to at least 4 hours screen time with such minimal settings (i'm on 20% brightness ffs) I may have to return this beauty
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"Screen on" time is going to vary depending on your usage/signal quality/hardware requirements/etc.
My question(s) is, do you let the phone sit on the charger for any amount of time after it has reached a "full" charge? Also, how many charge cycles have you gone through (after installing a new ROM) before you make these assumptions? Do you use WiFi regularly or mostly mobile data? What are your "sync" settings? What is the ratio between your "Screen-on" time to your "Standby/Idle" time?
If you take a look over in the "Battery Stats Thread", you might see that, depending on your usage (and other variables) 4 hours screen time is not that bad.
Also, as others have mentioned, "calibrating" a battery (which is essentially deleting the "battery stats" file) is not necessary.
http://www.androidcentral.com/wipin...tery-life-says-google-engineer#comment-363054
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"Screen on" time is going to vary depending on your usage/signal quality/hardware requirements/etc.
My question(s) is, do you let the phone sit on the charger for any amount of time after it has reached a "full" charge? Also, how many charge cycles have you gone through (after installing a new ROM) before you make these assumptions? Do you use WiFi regularly or mostly mobile data? What are your "sync" settings? What is the ratio between your "Screen-on" time to your "Standby/Idle" time?
If you take a look over in the "Battery Stats Thread", you might see that, depending on your usage (and other variables) 4 hours screen time is not that bad.
Also, as others have mentioned, "calibrating" a battery (which is essentially deleting the "battery stats" file) is not necessary.
http://www.androidcentral.com/wipin...tery-life-says-google-engineer#comment-363054
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I let the phone charge to very close to 0mA via current widget
I don't see how a particular ROM needs to learn your battery stats - if calibration isn't necessarily (I do it anyway with a new rom,) what does the ROM have left to learn?
Mix of wifi and mobile
auto syncing one email address + contacts
ratio is at 6.5 (total time/screen on time)
can you comment on the *#*#3424#*#* battery test? is it accurate?
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thank god there's a semi scientific independent way to verify this. ill run it asap. just to be clear, I just read about this test elsewhere and they mentioned a "score" of 85 vs the battery percent being below 85% after completion, can you clarify? does it matter that im already on cleanrom lite 3.0?
im now suspecting the issue is a combination of sense, 4g and spotty wifi coverage a(considering investing in a new bad ass router with dd-wrt aftermarket firmware)
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I am not sure if I understood your question correctly. If you could point me to that article that you are talking about, that would help. To answer your question, It doesn't matter what your ROM is. I am running sick sense when I did the test. As for the accuracy of the test and why I said that the baseline score is at least 85, most if not all of the people who performed this test who claimed to have good to great battery life had a score of at least 85. So it is reasonable to think that getting a score that is on par with most rules out the issue of having a faulty battery.
In my opinion, most of the battery issues that us ATT one X owners face, especially those that are in LTE areas are software related. In my knowledge, the main thing that influences the battery life apart from the actual battery is the kernel and the radio. At the moment, we do not have the source for the kernel yet. So, it cannot be truly optimized beyond the current tweaks that are being done by the wonderful devs. Until the source is released, I think that flashing a good radio, (new leaked 2.09 for AT&T) using a cpu editor, and following simple battery saving strategies is the way to go... And before I end this, I just want to mention that calibrating the "battery" is impossible. The only thing that can be calibrated is the "battery meter" on every ROM.
theartialmartist said:
I let the phone charge to very close to 0mA via current widget
I don't see how a particular ROM needs to learn your battery stats - if calibration isn't necessarily (I do it anyway with a new rom,) what does the ROM have left to learn?
Mix of wifi and mobile
auto syncing one email address + contacts
ratio is at 6.5 (total time/screen on time)
can you comment on the *#*#3424#*#* battery test? is it accurate?
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It's not the "ROM" per se, but rather just allowing the phone build "cache".
In other words, when you install a new ROM, sometimes you need to format it first, so all the cached files will be deleted. So when you first use the phone after installing a new ROM you might spend a lot of time re-installing apps and the phone is building cache which takes energy writing the files, not a lot but I feel it might be significant enough to wait until at least the 3rd charge cycle, once you have your apps and widgets set up. For example, the gallery app needs to save the thumbnail cache and so on. I hope that makes sense.
Of course, this would be irrelevant if you were just updating your ROM but I thought I'd mention it anyways. Going back and re-reading your situation I think it might be some other software issue that is draining your battery, not the battery calibration. As for the dial code, I wouldn't know, sorry. Hope you figure it out, I just don't think it's worth the time to stress over "battery calibration/stats", it is more likely a kernel/ROM issue or a hardware issue (the battery itself).
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JCon0320 said:
In my opinion, most of the battery issues that us ATT one X owners face, especially those that are in LTE areas are software related. In my knowledge, the main thing that influences the battery life apart from the actual battery is the kernel and the radio. At the moment, we do not have the source for the kernel yet. So, it cannot be truly optimized beyond the current tweaks that are being done by the wonderful devs. Until the source is released, I think that flashing a good radio, (new leaked 2.09 for AT&T) using a cpu editor, and following simple battery saving strategies is the way to go... And before I end this, I just want to mention that calibrating the "battery" is impossible. The only thing that can be calibrated is the "battery meter" on every ROM.
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Yeah, what he said.
The cache things makes perfect sense. Happy to report I got a score of 92 percent after the battery test! Now playing with settings. I changed to a new no-lte apn and got really spotty coverage and endless disconnections. Can someone post their best 4g, 3g and 2g apns?
Besides flashing the new 2.0 or whatever kernel can somebody recommend anything else to save battery? A link to a good launcher?
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The cache things makes perfect sense. Happy to report I got a score of 92 percent after the battery test! Now playing with settings. I changed to a new no-lte apn and got really spotty coverage and endless disconnections. Can someone post their best 4g, 3g and 2g apns?
Besides flashing the new 2.0 or whatever kernel can somebody recommend anything else to save battery? A link to a good launcher?
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Apex Launcher. It improves battery life quite a bit (in my experience anyways). Also, go through the "Sense" applications, like Weather and Stocks, and make sure you disable sync for them since you can't use the Sense widgets in a 3rd party launcher. You can do it by going to [Settings > Accounts & sync] and selecting each one then making the appropriate changes.
Hi guys,
I am hoping someone may notice what's going on with my device... I am at a loss. Attaching all screenshots and dump file from BetterBatteryStats (may need to open in Wordpad for the spacing work).
To summarize, my battery drain is very inconsistent. Some days it lasts a long time, 2-3 hrs of screen time, can stay in standby for over 2 days. And then some days it drains very quickly, like right now - it drops by 3% every time I basically turn on the screen to check e-mail/messages. I think we can all agree that 4 hrs of standby and 15 mins of screen usage should not use 50% of the battery.
I have tried two different units (swapped thinking my battery was faulty), and the issue persists - so I think it has to be something related to my software setup. I am running the AT&T LTE stock phone, 1.85 firmware. I have tried doing the full factory reset (clearing all settings/apps/storage), and cycling the battery.
Some folks have mentioned that my drain seems to begin when I hit an area with low/no signal (I take the subway to work in the morning), and then persists - as if something is trying to sync/connect somewhere, but can't... so it keeps looping and draining the battery.
My autosync is only on for Gmail, Google calendar (not contacts), and Weather (every 2 hrs only). Phone is not overly hot, battery is at 86 degrees right now. My brightness is at 40%.
If someone has any ideas, please share - I am at a loss, I don't know what to do... but battery life has got to be better than this, at least in terms of consistency.
Thanks so much.
Little to no signal is a battery killer.
Right, but the phone drains like crazy after the signal is regained. It doesn't drain much while there is no signal. Besides, what are people supposed to do when they lose signal? Restart the phone afterwards or lose all battery?
Also, some days it works just fine (and I still take subway to work on those days and lose signal) - so not consistent. I don't think it's simply the fact that no signal kills my battery in this case.
SmiLey497 said:
Little to no signal is a battery killer.
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But OP is getting huge drops in the battery level when network signal is green (full signal strength); and also screen mostly off. Which is very odd . . .
Sounds like there are other folks experiencing this issue, related to signal drop in LTE (riding a subway, etc.):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1719227
neocryte said:
Hi guys,
I am hoping someone may notice what's going on with my device... I am at a loss. Attaching all screenshots and dump file from BetterBatteryStats (may need to open in Wordpad for the spacing work).
To summarize, my battery drain is very inconsistent. Some days it lasts a long time, 2-3 hrs of screen time, can stay in standby for over 2 days. And then some days it drains very quickly, like right now - it drops by 3% every time I basically turn on the screen to check e-mail/messages. I think we can all agree that 4 hrs of standby and 15 mins of screen usage should not use 50% of the battery.
I have tried two different units (swapped thinking my battery was faulty), and the issue persists - so I think it has to be something related to my software setup. I am running the AT&T LTE stock phone, 1.85 firmware. I have tried doing the full factory reset (clearing all settings/apps/storage), and cycling the battery.
Some folks have mentioned that my drain seems to begin when I hit an area with low/no signal (I take the subway to work in the morning), and then persists - as if something is trying to sync/connect somewhere, but can't... so it keeps looping and draining the battery.
My autosync is only on for Gmail, Google calendar (not contacts), and Weather (every 2 hrs only). Phone is not overly hot, battery is at 86 degrees right now. My brightness is at 40%.
If someone has any ideas, please share - I am at a loss, I don't know what to do... but battery life has got to be better than this, at least in terms of consistency.
Thanks so much.
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Step 1: Remove sense.
Step 2: Proceed to experience the best battery life I have ever seen on an Android device.
If you do not want to remove sense then you need to take a very close look at your apps because something in the apps is responsible. I personally think its HTC sync or some other rediculous service that comes preinstalled on the phone. Something is trying to sync or communicate and is hanging.
Like I said, get rid of sense and save yourself the hassle. Nova Prime + AOKP = the best mobile operating system known to man.
I am a bit new when it comes to Android and all the various ROMs out there. To remove Sense, do I need to unlock the bootloader and install a custom ROM? Or can I install an alternate launcher (like Nova Prime)?
Thanks!
neocryte said:
I am a bit new when it comes to Android and all the various ROMs out there. To remove Sense, do I need to unlock the bootloader and install a custom ROM? Or can I install an alternate launcher (like Nova Prime)?
Thanks!
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To remove sense you'll need to install a custom ROM such as AOKP or cm9. Those will remove sense. You can find AOKP in the general section under the title "AOKP lives!!" and cm9 under developement. They both have flaws such as the camcorder not working, but considering the flaws that sense has out of the box, you're much better off in my opinion. cm9 and AOKP will get infinitely better in the coming weeks as they iron out the bugs. Sense is disgusting bloatware that is piled on top of stock android. It takes a ton of resources and makes even the simplest tasks a chore. Once you go to an AOSP ROM I don't think you'll ever go back. I can multi task away for hours and come back to another app that wasn't closed out of memory. Try that with sense.
To install a ROM you'll need to:
Root
unlock bootloader
Install a custom recovery
Backup your entire ROM with that recovery
Flash whatever you want
All of the directions of how to do this are in the dev section. Let me know if you have any questions.
Installing a AOSP ROM (such as CM9 and AOKP) will completely "desense" your phone.
Installing a ROM based on stock (like all of the CleanROMs) will get rid of most of the HTC stuff but Sense will still be there.
Thank you seh and rohan, I will give that a try. Will read up on it and let you know if I have questions.
neocryte said:
Thank you seh and rohan, I will give that a try. Will read up on it and let you know if I have questions.
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Seriously just go check it out in the dev section. If you are unsure or have any questions at all come back here and let me know. I can walk you through all of it. Don't be afraid of ruining your device or anything like that. This stuff is all one click these days and isn't bad at all. I can literally walk you through every step if needed. Just check it out yourself though, I bet you'll be fine
Thanks again. Reading through the dev section now. Seems relatively straight-forward... just need to get home to get this stuff going.
neocryte said:
Thanks again. Reading through the dev section now. Seems relatively straight-forward... just need to get home to get this stuff going.
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FYI, the root process failed for me 2 times before it took. Just keep trying and it will go. Once you are rooted, you'll never have to plug your phone into a computer again. You can do anything from the device, no questions asked.
neocryte said:
Hi guys,
I am hoping someone may notice what's going on with my device... I am at a loss. Attaching all screenshots and dump file from BetterBatteryStats (may need to open in Wordpad for the spacing work).
To summarize, my battery drain is very inconsistent. Some days it lasts a long time, 2-3 hrs of screen time, can stay in standby for over 2 days. And then some days it drains very quickly, like right now - it drops by 3% every time I basically turn on the screen to check e-mail/messages. I think we can all agree that 4 hrs of standby and 15 mins of screen usage should not use 50% of the battery.
I have tried two different units (swapped thinking my battery was faulty), and the issue persists - so I think it has to be something related to my software setup. I am running the AT&T LTE stock phone, 1.85 firmware. I have tried doing the full factory reset (clearing all settings/apps/storage), and cycling the battery.
Some folks have mentioned that my drain seems to begin when I hit an area with low/no signal (I take the subway to work in the morning), and then persists - as if something is trying to sync/connect somewhere, but can't... so it keeps looping and draining the battery.
My autosync is only on for Gmail, Google calendar (not contacts), and Weather (every 2 hrs only). Phone is not overly hot, battery is at 86 degrees right now. My brightness is at 40%.
If someone has any ideas, please share - I am at a loss, I don't know what to do... but battery life has got to be better than this, at least in terms of consistency.
Thanks so much.
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Here is what I'd do before installing custom ROMs etc. (Not that I am discouraging you against that but, if your device is indeed faulty then unlocking the bootloader will void your warranty and HTC may not replace/fix it.) And, you'd have wasted countless hours trying to fix the issue with software that was hardware to begin with.
1. Run the battery test *#*#3424#*#*, press 'Accept', Go to More and run 'Battery Test'. Follow instructions in there. If the battery isn't faulty i.e. after one hour the battery level is still greater than 85% (The function test shows a different number) your battery is fine. Else, ask HTC to fix it.
2. If your phone passes the battery test; turn on 'Airplane mode' when you get into an area with spotty signal. This should address your suspicion regarding that.
3. Display: display seems to be draining the most battery - doesn't mean it actual does but, at least the phone seems to think it is. Try reducing brightness to around 20% for a day - I know it is too dim but, it will eliminate that possibility.
4. If you have facebook installed - turn off all syncing. Especially the HTC sense social plugin always tries to update it from facebook.
Based on the screenshots, it seems that the battery drains very quickly when you have the screen on, even with good signal strength.
Lastly, as an alternative to point 2 above, turn on airplane mode for 1 hour and turn off sync, remove all widgets from home screen(s) and just use the phone on wifi with stock browser - see if it drops as quickly or not.
Having gone through it, I understand how frustrating this is. In the end, I rooted and completely desensed my phone (only keeping essentials - basically recreating clean rom). I do not use Auto Sync but manually engage it every few hours to update everything. And, keep the brightness to 30% most of the time.
Hope this helps, good luck.
john_tillman, thanks for the suggestions as well!
1. I did the battery test, finished at 92%. So I think I'm OK there.
2. I will try doing airplane mode before subway rides going forward, will see if that helps.
3. Something is funky with the way the battery meter app is measuring this. Basically the battery doesn't move - and then when I unlock the phone, it drops like 3%. So my suspicion is that I'm losing battery, it just doesn't get updated until I fire up the screen.
4. Yep, all syncing is turned off. I only have Gmail/Gcalendar syncing now.
I've been playing around with the phone(s) earlier as well - keeping it in airplane mode and just watching movies/etc. makes it last forever. It really does seem to be something with the signal and perhaps something in Sense.
Have you tried CleanRom? I do like the visuals in Sense, would be sad to go to bone-stock ICS... but battery is more important.
neocryte said:
john_tillman, thanks for the suggestions as well!
1. I did the battery test, finished at 92%. So I think I'm OK there.
2. I will try doing airplane mode before subway rides going forward, will see if that helps.
3. Something is funky with the way the battery meter app is measuring this. Basically the battery doesn't move - and then when I unlock the phone, it drops like 3%. So my suspicion is that I'm losing battery, it just doesn't get updated until I fire up the screen.
4. Yep, all syncing is turned off. I only have Gmail/Gcalendar syncing now.
I've been playing around with the phone(s) earlier as well - keeping it in airplane mode and just watching movies/etc. makes it last forever. It really does seem to be something with the signal and perhaps something in Sense.
Have you tried CleanRom? I do like the visuals in Sense, would be sad to go to bone-stock ICS... but battery is more important.
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I experience the same thing. After my subway commute and after I regain signal, battery doesn't drop until a couple of seconds after o turn on my screen, but it drops like 3%.
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Rooting, and unlocking the bootloader
I was able to go from stock 1.85, to sick-sense ROM in a matter of minutes yesterday. I was nervous at first even though I know what I was doing, although all was good after following the instructions given on each step of the process. I haven't really bricked a phone before because this was my first smartphone ever, But I believe that the worse thing that can happen is soft bricking your phone, which can be resolved by RUU. I hope this helps you out.
Regarding OP, I had MUCH MUCH more battery life compared to bone stock. I used to get 3 hrs screen on time with 20% brightness, now Im at 4-5 on 50% under similar usage. One last thing to note; LTE, Auto sync, GPS, and low reception, are the most battery eating thing on the phone assuming you don't have rouge apps (wakelocks).
JCon0320 said:
I was able to go from stock 1.85, to sick-sense ROM in a matter of minutes yesterday. I was nervous at first even though I know what I was doing, although all was good after following the instructions given on each step of the process. I haven't really bricked a phone before because this was my first smartphone ever, But I believe that the worse thing that can happen is soft bricking your phone, which can be resolved by RUU. I hope this helps you out.
Regarding OP, I had MUCH MUCH more battery life compared to bone stock. I used to get 3 hrs screen on time with 20% brightness, now Im at 4-5 on 50% under similar usage. One last thing to note; LTE, Auto sync, GPS, and low reception, are the most battery eating thing on the phone assuming you don't have rouge apps (wakelocks).
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GPS has no affect on battery life unless it is being actually used. Its not going to drain battery just by being enabled. Auto sync has minimal impact on battery as well, unless you are getting 5 emails every 1 minute. Push is always more battery friendly than pull. (unless there is heavy traffic)
About the low reception thing. While it does indeed affect battery life when the phone is constantly looking for service, it is not as bad as you would think. I sit in an area at my work that has about 1 bar of service. The phone will go from 1-0 bars to searching, about every 5 minutes or so ALL day long for 8 hours. To see the impact this had on my battery life, I did some experimenting. I basically ran my phone in airplane mode for 3 days and then compared and averaged the results over 3 days of normal use with the phone having bad service.
I lost 8% more over an 8 hour work day.
neocryte said:
john_tillman, thanks for the suggestions as well!
1. I did the battery test, finished at 92%. So I think I'm OK there.
2. I will try doing airplane mode before subway rides going forward, will see if that helps.
3. Something is funky with the way the battery meter app is measuring this. Basically the battery doesn't move - and then when I unlock the phone, it drops like 3%. So my suspicion is that I'm losing battery, it just doesn't get updated until I fire up the screen.
4. Yep, all syncing is turned off. I only have Gmail/Gcalendar syncing now.
I've been playing around with the phone(s) earlier as well - keeping it in airplane mode and just watching movies/etc. makes it last forever. It really does seem to be something with the signal and perhaps something in Sense.
Have you tried CleanRom? I do like the visuals in Sense, would be sad to go to bone-stock ICS... but battery is more important.
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No, I didn't try clean ROM. But, I took the change log from one of the clean ROMs and deleted most of the apps that can be safely deleted. So, I do sort of have a clean rom and it works fine so far - in terms of battery life. When I used to boot with stock rom, I used to have 150 - 170 mb free ram. With the clean up that I performed - now, free RAM is 270 - 300 mb after a reboot.
Try disabling LTE and see how your battery does.
Click on mobile network settings, and choose gsm/hspa auto.
Hey fellas.
So, for a long time now I've noticed this weird behavior of the battery % going up without ever recharging the phone for awhile.
I've seen this happening with plenty of ROMs and kernels over time, and I can't figure out why.
Attached image is the very recent one, which finally made me open a thread regarding this problem... usually it spikes by small percentage upwards, but take a look at around 3/4 of the graph (~2 am), it basically "charged" itself from like 6% to almost 20%!
Now let's be honest, if the phone just lies down on the table without me using it for awhile, there's no problem really.
The real problem might probably be with constant using, I could totally drain the phones battery to 0% while obviously "in real life" it has a lot more juice to give??
For years I kept reading battery related threads, and how calibrating them helps, and how calibration actually does nothing. Everyone keeps changing their minds.
What should I do?
Thanks?
tl;dr soz
p.s. currently running on Cataclysm 5.1 Beta and ElementalX 2.11
Battery stats are purely estimation via calculations, there is no way to calculate the exact physical percentage remaining.
When it detects it has been calculated incorrectly, it readjusts itself slowly, so it looks like it's going up. Really, only the displayed value is going up—the actual charge obviously is not.
Elluel said:
Battery stats are purely estimation via calculations, there is no way to calculate the exact physical percentage remaining.
When it detects it has been calculated incorrectly, it readjusts itself slowly, so it looks like it's going up. Really, only the displayed value is going up—the actual charge obviously is not.
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But dude, nothing of what you said answers my question at all -
I was asking Why it happens (what causes it to make such huge changes? faulty battery, faulty motherboard?), and What do I do to prevent it?
I didn't ask how does the % estimation system works, mainly because it's obvious?
And as I already said, I don't really have a problem with this happening while the phone is idle on the table let's say, the real problem is with real-time constant use (like surfing a lot, doing work stuff, playing) when I use it for a long time and the phone just turns off since it didn't have the time to re-evaluate its real battery status.
To make it simple, the phone doesn't realize it has more juice to give before it turns off on a non stop usage.
Back to my main question then -
How do I fix that?
Thanks.
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But dude, nothing of what you said answers my question at all -
I was asking Why it happens (what causes it to make such huge changes? faulty battery, faulty motherboard?), and What do I do to prevent it?
I didn't ask how does the % estimation system works, mainly because it's obvious?
And as I already said, I don't really have a problem with this happening while the phone is idle on the table let's say, the real problem is with real-time constant use (like surfing a lot, doing work stuff, playing) when I use it for a long time and the phone just turns off since it didn't have the time to re-evaluate its real battery status.
To make it simple, the phone doesn't realize it has more juice to give before it turns off on a non stop usage.
Back to my main question then -
How do I fix that?
Thanks.
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I did answer your question: "When it detects it has been calculated incorrectly, it readjusts itself slowly, so it looks like it's going up."
It simply calculated it wrong, so it's adjusting itself. There is nothing wrong with any of your hardware nor software.
It is not a problem, and therefore it requires no fix.
NuclearBastard said:
What should I do?
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It's good news. You can forget about where you put your wallcharger.
Elluel said:
I did answer your question: "When it detects it has been calculated incorrectly, it readjusts itself slowly, so it looks like it's going up."
It simply calculated it wrong, so it's adjusting itself. There is nothing wrong with any of your hardware nor software.
It is not a problem, and therefore it requires no fix.
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Oh man. you're totally not catching my drift.
I realize WHY the percentage is going up, what I don't understand is WHAT causes it to eventually misread the actual mA that's left.
And again I say - ofcourse it's a problem. and OFCOURSE that something is going wrong.
Take it to a more extreme scenario - I could use the phone non stop from 100% to 0, only to truly figure out eventually that the battery has atleast 30-60 minutes left in it.
The phone misreads the actual amount of power it still has. even if it only corrects itself by +1% it's still a problem.
Clearly that's not the case, when you see I got a +~11% in about an hour. it's a much worse problem. An easy ~20 minutes of use before the phone shuts itself down, WASTED.
NuclearBastard said:
Oh man. you're totally not catching my drift.
I realize WHY the percentage is going up, what I don't understand is WHAT causes it to eventually misread the actual mA that's left.
And again I say - ofcourse it's a problem. and OFCOURSE that something is going wrong.
Take it to a more extreme scenario - I could use the phone non stop from 100% to 0, only to truly figure out eventually that the battery has atleast 30-60 minutes left in it.
The phone misreads the actual amount of power it still has. even if it only corrects itself by +1% it's still a problem.
Clearly that's not the case, when you see I got a +~11% in about an hour. it's a much worse problem. An easy ~20 minutes of use before the phone shuts itself down, WASTED.
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What causes it to misread/recalculate could be one of many things.
For example:
Lets say the defined average battery usage calculation for when data is on is a value of "10 per minute" (for explanation purposes).
If you had a terrible data signal, it would use more battery, and if you had a perfect signal, it would use a bit less.
Lets say you had an absolutely perfect signal, that actually really only used 5 per minute. The calculation would then be incorrect as the device realistically used up less battery than calculated, possibly causing it to readjust itself after a while.
Of course the above is just an example, and it could apply to many other things together (screen, CPU, GPU, signal, WiFi, usage, GPS, etc). This happens on every single device and there is no way around it. If anything, it is causing you to get MORE usage out of your battery, not less, since it is increasing the percentage value as per recalculation. If it did not recalculate, and your device realistically used less battery than the calculation thinks, then your device would shut off earlier, no?
This also applies vice versa: if your device used MORE battery than calculated, it will drop the percentage when recalculating to make sure it shuts off before the battery would be damaged or even completely dead/unusable/un-rechargeable by being physically drained to 0%. Your device is also purposefully shutting itself off a slight bit prematurely to prevent this (this is also why you should not constantly attempt to turn on the phone when it shuts off at "0%").