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UMA Wifi Calling

I hooked up my new MT4G to wifi and it prompted and notified me of wi-fi calling.
Take a look at the picture attached
Pretty sweet finally a android with wifi calling!!!
Edit: This is not uma

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excellent, wrong forum
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Wrong sub forum

I'm gonna go against the grain and say right forum.
Wrong descriptor though, it's not uma.

Technically it's not uma because it doesn't hand off to.and from the tower like blackberry... But I'm equally excited.. Tested and confirmed on mine as well
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motorjonny said:
Technically it's not uma because it doesn't hand off to.and from the tower like blackberry... But I'm equally excited.. Tested and confirmed on mine as well
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Sorry for the wrong sub forum post. OOPS I forgot where I was.
I was unsure of the cellular handoff. Has it been confirmed that it doesn't hand off?

stoute said:
Sorry for the wrong sub forum post. OOPS I forgot where I was.
I was unsure of the cellular handoff. Has it been confirmed that it doesn't hand off?
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Yes it has been. Can't find the source right now but Tmonews.com is where it was hottly discussed and proved to be right.

stoute said:
I hooked up my new MT4G to wifi and it prompted and notified me of wi-fi calling.
Take a look at the picture attached
Pretty sweet finally a android with UMA!!!
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Please stop calling this UMA. It's not the same thing at all.
Wi-fi calling is a clever way to push people on to their own wifi infrastructure. Rather than continue to use cell tower bandwidth, you use your own broadband connection for both data and voice traffic. The best part (for them) is you still use your minutes.
Most people never bother setting up wifi on their phone, because they simply don't have to. The mobile network is available 24x7, and wifi eats battery life. Now, get to charge you *and* get you off their network at the same time.
Brilliant strategy, but I'll pass - I'm not paying T-Mobile to use my own bandwidth.

You would if you were somewhere you didn't have coverage. Or even better if you were out of the country and wanted to call back to a US number and only use your normal minutes and not pay for international roaming.
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The app works great for me with crappy service in my house been waiting for it. Once you get close to the wifi range limit u get a pop-up warning you your call will be lost.

NexVision said:
The app works great for me with crappy service in my house been waiting for it. Once you get close to the wifi range limit u get a pop-up warning you your call will be lost.
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The only problem I had was whsn walking away from work or my house it would drop the call vs the hand off like the blackberrys uma calling feature.
I also think we are all aware this is not a true uma. I will try to edit my op to correct.
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Well if you do not want to use the service then dont or let me guess you are a Apple fanboy so will find something wrong with everything other than iPhone and ATT

I wonder if the txt messages will be routed via wifi as well ?

vikramdhani said:
I wonder if the txt messages will be routed via wifi as well ?
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i read through the frequent questions in the wifi calling app... Confirmed that it does send messages through wifi!

motorjonny said:
i read through the frequent questions in the wifi calling app... Confirmed that it does send messages through wifi!
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It is supposed to do mms sms calls as well as the usual internet and email.
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This is a great feature, i'm just confused why they wouldn't build it to allow it to seamlessly handoff to cell towers.

That would b a hardware requirement and raise the cost.
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dcam1075 said:
You would if you were somewhere you didn't have coverage. Or even better if you were out of the country and wanted to call back to a US number and only use your normal minutes and not pay for international roaming.
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I used WiFi overseas for calling on my BB, and TMo came after me with a bunch of international calling minutes anyway. So unless they have changed their policy - be careful.

gaww said:
I used WiFi overseas for calling on my BB, and TMo came after me with a bunch of international calling minutes anyway. So unless they have changed their policy - be careful.
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Were you calling US numbers?

gaww said:
I used WiFi overseas for calling on my BB, and TMo came after me with a bunch of international calling minutes anyway. So unless they have changed their policy - be careful.
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I used my BB overseas this summer, mobile network off, wifi on. No extra charges.

Will wifi calling work at the resort in Jamaica?

I've been trying to figure out a way to use my smarty phone keep in touch with my kids while in Jamaica this fall. Was hoping I could do a push to talk or walkie talkie app to talk to my kids via wifi. This on Metropcs. Now that I'm here at Tmobile and the G2X, will I be able to call home using the wifi calling via the resorts wifi? Will it work to make a call to the states?
Still really loving this phone!!

I don't see why not. I could call back home using it while in St. Maarten a couple months ago.

I haven't done this personally, you lucky SOB, but I've heard lots of reports that it will work as long as you have an active wifi connection.
I think it is pretty cool. I travel nationally and sometimes I don't get great service if at all but WiFi calling will come in very handy.. I also use it for work... *thumbs down*

@player911 said "you lucky SOB"
I know right...Couples resort Ocho Rios...420 all day everyday!
Yeah Mon!
I'm glad to hear I may be able to comminicate with home.

Yes, you can make and receive calls just like you were in the states via wifi calling. One of the neater things about being on Tmo

The walkies talkies work fine over , WIFI. No matter where You are.
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Yes just did something similar from a resort in Turks and Caicos. Worked perfectly.
ickster said:
I've been trying to figure out a way to use my smarty phone keep in touch with my kids while in Jamaica this fall. Was hoping I could do a push to talk or walkie talkie app to talk to my kids via wifi. This on Metropcs. Now that I'm here at Tmobile and the G2X, will I be able to call home using the wifi calling via the resorts wifi? Will it work to make a call to the states?
Still really loving this phone!!
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T-Mobile doesn't run a check to see if you're on a WiFi network outside the states? I'm surprised.

mobilehavoc said:
Yes just did something similar from a resort in Turks and Caicos. Worked perfectly.
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Something similsr meaning walkie talkie or PTT app? Or wifi calling?

There was a rumor in the blogsphere that we were getting minuteless wifi calling within like the next week.
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There was a rumor in the blogsphere that we were getting minuteless wifi calling within like the next week.
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No rumor....fact.

so say i'm in canada or something and use wifi to call back to california, is that consider long distance or just takes it off regularly from my minutes?

im in jamaica and it doesnt work for me

Vylle said:
im in jamaica and it doesnt work for me
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Thanks for letting me know this....what resort? So the wifi is working but wifi calling isn't? Are there any settings you can check? Did you have a confirmed wifi connection when you tried? Not calling you stupid I promise, just would love some details. I have never even messed with wifi calling yet. I do appreciate you replying. Gives me time to research why it doesn't work and my options.

Vylle said:
im in jamaica and it doesnt work for me
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Have you tried rebooting? Once in a while I'll come home and my phone doesn't enable Wi-Fi Calling, even though it works most of the time, and rebooting fixes that.
The only other thing I can think of is signal strength; it won't enable Wi-Fi Calling unless you have quite a strong wifi signal, although it will hold it once started if the signal strength doesn't get too low.

Turning on my phone with wifi on there has been a few times I tried to use wifi calling in my home and it said I wasn't registered on the network yet. I had to turn off wifi and saw the 4g icon flashing then I turned wifi back on and the wifi calling would work.
I am not sure if T-Mobile will require you to register on the network first prior to using the wifi app. I am curious as I travel out of the country sometimes.
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Mobile Hotspot

If you are running a Rom will ATT know ,and change your data settings, if you use the mobile hotspot? I thought I read they can't and you can do it on your unlimited plan without them know or changing, but I just wanted to if that's true.
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Kent Melton said:
If you are running a Rom will ATT know ,and change your data settings, if you use the mobile hotspot? I thought I read they can't and you can do it on your unlimited plan without them know or changing, but I just wanted to if that's true.
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They have ways of knowing. For example, a couple of months ago some jailbroken iPhone users started getting letters and text messages from AT&T stating they need to either stop tethering or be forced to get a tethering plan. I haven't heard of the same thing happening with Android users though. Earlier this month Google bowed to pressure from the phone companies and started removing tethering apps from the Market.

Att is most likely checking the natted IP bounce since using hotspots requires extra hop. Have to use proxy to avoid trace.

I was USB tether my phone to my work laptop for internet and have been doing so for many months and never once has ATT said anything. Then again thats USBtether, not wifi
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xKrisx said:
I was USB tether my phone to my work laptop for internet and have been doing so for many months and never once has ATT said anything. Then again thats USBtether, not wifi
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The issue arises when someone is using tens or hundreds of GB per month, that kind of gives it away. If you only occasionally tether (wifi or hotspot) for basic websurfing, I doubt you're going to raise any red flags.

I know there were a few moments when I really needed internet on my laptop and decided to tether because I could... even thigh I was scared to do it, I did it anyways and I have yet to get any charges... so yeah just keep your usage while tethering low...
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ST3ALTHPSYCH0 said:
The issue arises when someone is using tens or hundreds of GB per month, that kind of gives it away. If you only occasionally tether (wifi or hotspot) for basic websurfing, I doubt you're going to raise any red flags.
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^this
i've consistently gone over 5gigs since i've had my unlimited data plan (nothing outrageous usually under 10gigs) and i wifi tether all the time. i read in another thread this exact thing... they can't really tell unless you all of a sudden jump your usage... for that reason i make sure i stay above the old 5 gig limit.

AT&T killing of illegal tethering?

I couldnt get my phone to tether last night and i saw a few people mention in other custom rom forums that it wasnt working... I was just wondering if anybody else could try if your on custom rom to see if its on my end or if at&t is cracking down? im on apex9.0 and talon 4.4.13 my tethering has always worked before???
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Well.. I was ready to post and just tell you 'no its still working' cus i used it just last night. But I just tried using my capt to connect via wifi and although it connects like normal and says internet, when you try and reach the outside world it gives you a "invalid IP" thing on the windows 7 troubleshooter program. Tried tethering and got the same thing, even though it says connected..
Decided to see if it was just my android, so pulled out my windows mobile 6.5 phone that can tether and fired it up... connects just fine, im posting from it now. So i guess maybe they just figured out a way to break however android does it? Bummer.. anyone else able to give it a try?
I use cognition rom fyi.. has always worked before. I'll try again here in a bit...

Works for me
Don't know what the difference is but I just tried tethering on mine still using the older Precetion Beta 2 rom and it seems to work without any problems.

Oops spoke too soon... rebooted computer and phone and now it works.. shoulda fiddled with it more i guess.
Tried via wifi and tethering, on tethering now. Both worked.. so confirmed working on android and WM.. so no they havent been able to break it yet.. muahahaha!
You had me all upset though that I'd have to switch my damn sim card over to another phone to tether each time

Seeing this thread scared me... I dont use it that often but I am paranoid AT&T will find a way to stop us one day and I wont realize it only to find out when I need it most.

Ill have to try again when i get off of work, but i couldnt get it to work fof the life of me!
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I just tried, worked great. Using continuum
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Working on my Cappy (CM7), for now

Working on mine....using continuum 6.1....
BTW, there was a big solar flare came through last night or the night before....my phone was acting weird yesterday

Must have been the talon test kernel or something because i flashed new test tonight and all is working well
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I don't see what the big deal is, if you have a data plan and available bytes to use not sure why ATT restricts wifi tethering. I downloaded a Mandriva linux cd iso onto my phone the other day, some 680 megabytes. I can pretty much do on my android what I do on my computer. If you have the data to use on your plan, not sure why ATT cares how you use it.
Just more innovative ways to screw the customer.
And my wifi tether works fine too, must be the solar flares.

It's more directed towards people with unlimited data plans and use large amounts of data instead of using a home internet connection.
They say these users big down the network for others that use the service normally. For those of us on tiered data plans it shouldn't matter.
I'm not saying I agree with them, just trying to explain it.
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Hmmm, looks like I don't use my data soooooo much lol cause I can still tether

artvandalay22222 said:
It's more directed towards people with unlimited data plans and use large amounts of data instead of using a home internet connection.
They say these users big down the network for others that use the service normally. For those of us on tiered data plans it shouldn't matter.
I'm not saying I agree with them, just trying to explain it.
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It matters to them even for tiered plans because people who tether use more data (that they are paying for). This prevents them from overselling their network. Like an airplane or a fitness gym, they want to sell you the service and get your money. They don't actually want you to use it to your fullest or they will be overwhelmed.

Still works for me, it's a damn shame they don't have unlimited data anymore.

For your entertainment, CNN has posted something related -
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/08/12/carriers.stop.tethering.gahran/index.html?hpt=te_bn4
and this one too -
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/08/12/avoid.tethering.fees.gahran/index.html?hpt=te_bn1

artvandalay22222 said:
It's more directed towards people with unlimited data plans and use large amounts of data instead of using a home internet connection.
They say these users big down the network for others that use the service normally. For those of us on tiered data plans it shouldn't matter.
I'm not saying I agree with them, just trying to explain it.
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That is not true. I work for At&t from what i've read in our LSO classes we take everday, is that At&t will be able to see the MAC id of the device you are tethering with. So when they cross check the MAC id with your device, because your device's "MAC" will always identify itself when it talks which is everytime it has to communicate with a tower.
So if they catch you now after Aug 11, regardless of data usage they will automatically remove you from your unlimited data to the tiered data/ tethering plan. So don't think you have to be a big user to be affected. I know it's easier for them to track iphones but i'm not so sure about Android. This is why i'm posting!
SO my question is how do we spoof the MAC id? I use Cm7 anyone?

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That is not true. I work for At&t from what i've read in our LSO classes we take everday, is that At&t will be able to see the MAC id of the device you are tethering with. So when they cross check the MAC id with your device, because your device's "MAC" will always identify itself when it talks which is everytime it has to communicate with a tower.
So if they catch you now after Aug 11, regardless of data usage they will automatically remove you from your unlimited data to the tiered data/ tethering plan. So don't think you have to be a big user to be affected. I know it's easier for them to track iphones but i'm not so sure about Android. This is why i'm posting!
SO my question is how do we spoof the MAC id? I use Cm7 anyone?
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So, if im on a tiered plan, what are they gonna do? Automatically add a tethering plan?
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Tether Not working CM7
Hola all, just trying to find out if Im the only one that cant use the tether function on any of the Nightlys after 62, anyone else having this issue????? I keep having to go back to 62 if I need to use tether
Thanks YARRRR

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[Q] Is there a way you can use the phone modem?

Hello. I want to know if there is a way to use this phone modem in the Computer?
but watch out, I'm not talking about Tethering or using a tether APP like PDANet, etc. I just want to have my Phone modem available in my pc, so I can use it in an application and connect to the internet throught this software. I need it this way because although I can use, it Internet in my PC by several ways (USB tether, Wifi hotspot, etc) I need to use an Aplication to avoid my 3G speed to downgrade after I consume my quota.

You are not gonna be able to bypass the limit. No matter what you do there is no way to use the internet and make it look like your not.

Ok. That's what I think, but a friend of mine claims he has a software that trick your carrier, and I wanna try it. Anway there are ways (with applications and settings) to use the Internet of your mobile phone for free. Those methods need to access to your phone modem.
Since no modem appear in the device manager, just a network device, it is impossible to use those methods with this phone
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You can't get free internet. If your friend knows so much about this special software you would think that your friend would have told you how to conect your phone. But anyways.....install HTC Sync on your pc and it will install the drivers for the phone to be used as a modem.

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You can't get free internet. If your friend knows so much about this special software you would think that your friend would have told you how to conect your phone. But anyways.....install HTC Sync on your pc and it will install the drivers for the phone to be used as a modem.
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I do can get free internet, but you have to have the phone modem available and special software and settings. I have HTC Sync installed. The thing is that phone modem doesn't appear, just a network device and I can do nothing with that.
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I dont know what trying to steal from the network providers has to do with android/phone development. You are best off to just either pay for what you use or have your friend that is bragging about stealing internet help you with doing the same.
personally i bet hes lying to you just to make you waste time trying to find a way lol

Darunion said:
I dont know what trying to steal from the network providers has to do with android/phone development. You are best off to just either pay for what you use or have your friend that is bragging about stealing internet help you with doing the same.
personally i bet hes lying to you just to make you waste time trying to find a way lol
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Forget about tricking you carrier about data quota, I was exceptic about it, and I think is not posible. but I am sure there are ways of having free internet in your computer throught your GSM network without paying a cent, at least in my country (A friend of mine connects to the internet like this). The thing is that you have to have a USB 3G modem or you can use your mobile phone, but you need to have your device modem available.

Yeah, its called tethering. But you have to pay for the 3G internet connection through your mobile carrier. Nothing free. Unless you BORROW your nieghbor's wifi.

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Yeah, its called tethering. But you have to pay for the 3G internet connection through your mobile carrier. Nothing free.
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OMG. you think you are talking with a little boy. I know what Tethering is. Look my signatute, it is a speedtest result that I got doing Tethering.

ok guys lets let it go. Bottom line is there is no way to do what your asking. No matter what you do, packets will be sent over the data stream and this will be logged. You would have to make all data packet have a size of zero and not hit any towers or the server. This is not going to happen. Every single kb your phone sends out is logged. From the small 1kb used for an mms to the 4mbs used for an app download.
Also there is no way to access the hardware phone modem. To be honest I think your friend is lying to you

zelendel said:
ok guys lets let it go. Bottom line is there is no way to do what your asking. No matter what you do, packets will be sent over the data stream and this will be logged. You would have to make all data packet have a size of zero and not hit any towers or the server. This is not going to happen. Every single kb your phone sends out is logged. From the small 1kb used for an mms to the 4mbs used for an app download.
Also there is no way to access the hardware phone modem. To be honest I think your friend is lying to you
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Ok. About the data plan quota I'm done. I doubt you can avoid that. But regarding free internet in your computer through your GSM network, that is true. But as I far as I can see, There is no way to have this device modem available.
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