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K... I'm new to android (from iPhone) and I just bought the mt4g... I downloaded the advanced task killer, but every time I "kill" the apps, there are 10 more running less than 5 seconds later... I've set my autokill to crazy, have an ignore list, etc... any thing else I can do to limit what crap runs without me opening the app myself?
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kevo817 said:
K... I'm new to android (from iPhone) and I just bought the mt4g... I downloaded the advanced task killer, but every time I "kill" the apps, there are 10 more running less than 5 seconds later... I've set my autokill to crazy, have an ignore list, etc... any thing else I can do to limit what crap runs without me opening the app myself?
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I believe you are not supposed to use task killers on Android because the system manages apps and when you stop them it messes up something. Here is a link: http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/

Correct. There is no need for task killers with these phones.

Glad I asked... uninstalled it, guess I'll see how it goes
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Yes sir! Plus thats why we have such big ram size
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Wow I didn't know this, I just uninstalled my task manager.
myTouch4G (Glacier)

It can also hurt battery life as well. If you constantly force close applications the phone will boot them back up which puts strain on the processor and uses more battery life.
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Speaking from personal experience: once there's enough RAM in the phone, there's no need for external task killer or manager. Yes, it was necessary on the phones like G1 or original MyTouch with less then 1 year old OS. At this point, Android matured enough to handle everything on its own and it does beatiful job at it. I am almost at the point of getting MT4G, using wife's old Cliq at the moment. I can't believe how much difference extra RAM does, it never slows down for me on 2.1 de-blurred. Be extra careful downloading multiple apps though because if one misbehaves it will be hard to know which one.
Remember, free RAM is wasted ram, especially true with FroYo

You should still use a task killer, just don't use an autokiller. Let's say you use play a game, open browser, open music, open 3+ other cpu intensive apps..They will not close on there own, till the ram is "extremely low". Apps still use cpu when in b/g, like syncing apps like fb and twitter.

Task Killers
I don't see any reason not to have a task killer...without it, how would you know if there is a rogue app on your system? With a task killer installed, I was able to see what apps were loading at startup and then if I rarely use it, I blocked it with Startups. This has had a huge impact (for the better) on my battery life as well.
I agree not to setup the task killer to aggressively kill tasks, but if you use it to see what is happening on your phone, I don't see the harm in them at all.

don't you think a task killer would be built into android if Google intended us to manually kill tasks?

I have actually been going into the packages and disabling them via a terminal emulator. It was really easy and it seems to have prevented them from launching again.

Which Is the Best Task Killer?

What has been the best task killer for anybody. Im posting this threads cause myself have been wondering, which of all of them in the market is the best 1 for a phone. As for me i have a mytouch slide, Not rooted 2.1update1. I have been using Advance task Killer Pro, n has been wrking fine. But for some reason now my battery has been draining. So can u all plz let me know another good task killers out there. Yes ive heard is bad by killing apps, but i jst dont never understood why. So let me know what you all use thank u, n appreciate it.

I like system panel it gives a lot more info about what apps are missing behaving. Watchdog is real useful also.

Task killers are a bad idea, because as soon as you kill them, Android starts loading them back into memory, which wastes battery.
There's a whole bunch of levels of memory usage for apps, and task killers generally group them all together. Most of those apps being "killed" aren't actually loaded - they're cached, memory that can be dropped at a moment's notice when something else needs it. And the cached apps will start right away, since they're already in memory.
With a task killer removing those from memory, now there's lag because it has to be re-loaded, plus general lag from Android re-caching some of them.

Izkata said:
Task killers are a bad idea, because as soon as you kill them, Android starts loading them back into memory, which wastes battery.
There's a whole bunch of levels of memory usage for apps, and task killers generally group them all together. Most of those apps being "killed" aren't actually loaded - they're cached, memory that can be dropped at a moment's notice when something else needs it. And the cached apps will start right away, since they're already in memory.
With a task killer removing those from memory, now there's lag because it has to be re-loaded, plus general lag from Android re-caching some of them.
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He's not asking you if he should get a task killer he's asking for some names of task killers
Best and simplest is advanced task killer or ATK
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torvick12 said:
What has been the best task killer for anybody. Im posting this threads cause myself have been wondering, which of all of them in the market is the best 1 for a phone. As for me i have a mytouch slide, Not rooted 2.1update1. I have been using Advance task Killer Pro, n has been wrking fine. But for some reason now my battery has been draining. So can u all plz let me know another good task killers out there. Yes ive heard is bad by killing apps, but i jst dont never understood why. So let me know what you all use thank u, n appreciate it.
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I Use Adv. Task Killer, Also I Never Really Have A Issue With The Battery, But If You Notice Sometimes, After Killing A App, It Comes Right Back.... At That Point, If You Have The Adv. Task Killer Version I'm Using (V1.0.0 Build1) You Will Also Have A Service Button, Where You Can Go To The App That Keeps Restarting, & Touch It To Force It Closed, After That Your Battery Life Should Be Great!!
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I Use Adv. Task Killer, Also I Never Really Have A Issue With The Battery, But If You Notice Sometimes, After Killing A App, It Comes Right Back.... At That Point, If You Have The Adv. Task Killer Version I'm Using (V1.0.0 Build1) You Will Also Have A Service Button, Where You Can Go To The App That Keeps Restarting, & Touch It To Force It Closed, After That Your Battery Life Should Be Great!!
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But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
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es_bih said:
But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
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And this is why I had my previous post. torvick12 said he never understood why it's bad to kill apps, so I gave him a reason - and here's another person saying basically the same thing, just, without the why Android does what it does.

es_bih said:
But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
It Boots Back Up Sometimes, But Instead Of Long-Pressing On Whichever App It Is Restarting, Press The Service Button (In Adv.Task Killer App) That Should Shut It Down Once (Twice The Most) For Good!!
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i prefer autokiller. if root then the preset work like charm. if not then need manual killing the task at process tab.

but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running

keatlck said:
i prefer autokiller. if root then the preset work like charm. if not then need manual killing the task at process tab.
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I Used Autokiller
I Also Have Autokiller Installed, But More Or Less Only Use The Presets, Mainly Cause I'm Not Sure What The Settings Are Spose Tah Get Set Too.
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moharu said:
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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They aren't "running". They are loaded in memory for quick access to them. If something else needs that memory, the os will unload something from memory itself.

moharu said:
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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You don't need to. Period.

Advanced Task Killer does the job for me.

http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/

Taskkillers are for new android users coming from Windows. Lol.
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task killer pro is what i use to use back on ver 2.1 and 2.0.1 but if you ever get onto froyo or Gingerbread it's best not to even use a task killer at all.

moharu said:
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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If you're really interested, you can read lengthy technical writeups on how Android manages its apps.
If not, then you need to accept the fact that those apps are cached in memory and are not actively processing or using battery and there is no reason to kill them (unless they are acting up, in which case, I believe Eclair, but at least Froyo, and up have a built in task killing feature). That memory will be cleared when another app takes priority.
Think about this: your automated task killer is showing you only have 5% free memory! You kill those apps and you now have 95% free. WHAT GOOD IS THAT MEMORY IF IT'S NOT BEING USED ANYWAY? I reiterate, the memory would have been cleared regardless when another app took priority.

the android os. plain and simple

Task killer

Does transformer need to install any task killer? My transformer runs a little bit laggy after openingtoo many apps behind.

You may get a bunch of different answers/opinions on this. The short answer is no. Android handles memory as it needs it by closing apps as needed. There have been a lot of post on task killers and how they can interfere with the way Android should run. There are also people that use them and have good results. I don't use one and have a few android devices and they all work fine regarding memory.

I use Advanced Task Killer (ATK) myself and only the widget. That one stops all the current apps. I seldom use this function as Android seems to be pretty capable of handling the memory by itself. Only in rare occasions the TF slows down or lags a little, I use it.

Probably you want to try active apps. I dont know if it's working with honey comb but it does quite well identifying what applications are running and cpu usage. Probably it will help.
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How about minfreemanager? I kind of like that, it seems to be a good compromise between ATK and letting android handle the memory.
Of course, this also depends on the user, always press back instead of homescreen to close the app.

I've not needed a task killer at all yet. Once everyother day I restart it just to be safe, but I have been attributing it to honeycomb "beta" problems and/or the fact that it's not complete yet.
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ELTinos said:
I use Advanced Task Killer (ATK) myself and only the widget. That one stops all the current apps. I seldom use this function as Android seems to be pretty capable of handling the memory by itself. Only in rare occasions the TF slows down or lags a little, I use it.
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I am also using ATF and wondering why some programs will not kill off even tho i select it to kill. Like logmein, i select it and kill it, a minute later it shows up again ??? Does AFk even work? I noticed that after killing off some apps i see it frees up more memory, but couple of minutes later the same apps will start again....

dazz87 said:
I am also using ATF and wondering why some programs will not kill off even tho i select it to kill. Like logmein, i select it and kill it, a minute later it shows up again ??? Does AFk even work? I noticed that after killing off some apps i see it frees up more memory, but couple of minutes later the same apps will start again....
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it's because since Froyo, the most a task killer can do is to restart the app / release it from memory. What it means is .. if your program runs a service/ Thread, the program will not be killed but merely restarting the app. That's y some apps that get restarted will show up again. The only way to kill is either you get a super user to do the kill from command shell 'kill -9 PID' or
go to the settings -> Applications and click on stop.
Hope this helps.
Also using task killer is not a good idea. It might drain battery if you use it regularly. if you asked me why? because when you restart the app/ kill the app, the program will load (this actually consuming CPU hence battery) again.
And if you asked again why did google keep those in memory?
it's because it's designed so that when you want to open up again it's faster..
Here is a link that might be helpful.
http://androinica.com/2010/05/googl...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/

I use atk, but like others I only use the widget. It's mostly a compulsive thing; I like to hit it twice and see my available memory shoot up 200 megs. I'm sure HC can handle it but I could swear it reduces lag in some instances; as if some apps or HC interfaces are scaleable to remaining available memory. Probably my imagination, but it hasn't hurt me yet.
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[Q] Task Killers

Been wondering on whether to use task killers on the Desire S.
Read many articles why you shouldn't use them, but on the other hand i see many people using them.
On my Galaxy Tab, and S2, they both come preinstalled with task killers, and i use them. They help beacause my Tab slows down alot!
But on the Desire S they isnt a task killer present. I havent experienced and lags or anything, since i've had the device for a week.
But just wondering if i use a task killer can i improve the battery life further?
Why did htc not include a task killer, but in sense 3.0 ROms they have it?
also is there any apk etc, to get that new HTC Task Manager without having to change ROM?
So do you use a task killer? Does it improve battery life? If so, which task killer do you use?
Cheers guys

i use advanced task killer pro. it's great. MIUI has an in-built task killer. IDK about battery life, but well, free RAM sure improves multitasking.

I answered I have it but don't use it, as I don't find that the phone lags and even though I do have one installed I use it very very rarely.
I have the htc task killer (as it comes within LBC ROM) , I use it very rarely and only when I find that a process is mis-behaving and not FC'ing on its own.
I also have fast reboot which again I use very sparingly, this closes and then restarts all of the running processes and is like a reboot without powering down the phone (so saves battery) I find that it's useful when attempting to identify sources of battery drain etc.
Ultimately not all programs will function as they should, so I find that its best to have one and not use it rather than not have one and need it

you dont need task killers on android
android automatically kills tasks which are not used when it requires memory(& it usually is very good at this)
& tasks on the RAM do not take any battery,they take battery only when they are active & are using the processor
task managers can actually have a negative effect on your battery life,if you kill a app it will take more processing power to restart again & will cost you more battery but if you leave it on the ram it wont take any battery & starting it again will take less battery
& i have read many android users saying that uninstalling task managers helps them with their lagg problems

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I answered I have it but don't use it, as I don't find that the phone lags and even though I do have one installed I use it very very rarely.
I have the htc task killer (as it comes within LBC ROM) , I use it very rarely and only when I find that a process is mis-behaving and not FC'ing on its own.
I also have fast reboot which again I use very sparingly, this closes and then restarts all of the running processes and is like a reboot without powering down the phone (so saves battery) I find that it's useful when attempting to identify sources of battery drain etc.
Ultimately not all programs will function as they should, so I find that its best to have one and not use it rather than not have one and need it
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Thanks for the info ben! I will check out that reboot app also just found out Android has its own killer if you need to kill apps
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kartkk said:
you dont need task killers on android
android automatically kills tasks which are not used when it requires memory(& it usually is very good at this)
& tasks on the RAM do not take any battery,they take battery only when they are active & are using the processor
task managers can actually have a negative effect on your battery life,if you kill a app it will take more processing power to restart again & will cost you more battery but if you leave it on the ram it wont take any battery & starting it again will take less battery
& i have read many android users saying that uninstalling task managers helps them with their lagg problems
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Thanks kartkk! Just the info I read too guess ill defo not be using a task killer for normal use then
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I shouldn't have worried at the first place if i did open alot of application in my android. thought that it works like windows.

What's bad are automatic task killers. I use System Panel / Task Manager mostly to keep track with my battery usage history & system info but barely use it to kill tasks.

Automatic Task Killer are like most "Tuning" tools on Windows. You never know exactly what they do. There ist no need of "Free" RAM on Android. And, as written, killing a Task will not increase battetry life.

ben_pyett said:
I answered I have it but don't use it, as I don't find that the phone lags and even though I do have one installed I use it very very rarely.
I have the htc task killer (as it comes within LBC ROM) , I use it very rarely and only when I find that a process is mis-behaving and not FC'ing on its own.
I also have fast reboot which again I use very sparingly, this closes and then restarts all of the running processes and is like a reboot without powering down the phone (so saves battery) I find that it's useful when attempting to identify sources of battery drain etc.
Ultimately not all programs will function as they should, so I find that its best to have one and not use it rather than not have one and need it
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Thanks everyone for the input
Ben, I have installed the fast reboot app, and I am very pleased with it
Thanks for sharing! Saves me a full reboot when some apps aren't working
Cheers mate!
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Task killer vs no task killer?

I use a task killer so im curious why some people say not to use them. What are your opinions?
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I personally use them and havent come across suggestions not to, as long as u know what you are "killing" and its not a system process , it should be ok and yes it does free up RAM

I dont use any task killer and Im happy

I personaly would have a task killer one that kills all when idle. and frees up ram due to the fact i like to do cpu hungry tasks often

Ystrem said:
I dont use any task killer and Im happy
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Same here, kill the task, and then feed the task killer the battery power saved.
I have tried them and found most of them didn't help much.

cnavi said:
Same here, kill the task, and then feed the task killer the battery power saved.
I have tried them and found most of them didn't help much.
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Same here.
I don't use any of them.I used before but i don't saw too much help.Just task killer use cpu more and load ram.I use now just a shortcut of standard runing services default from android.

Don't use task Killers. Android has its own built in task manager Which works far better than 3rd party task killers. All you doing is making android reload everything again. Then you wonder why this app doesn't update in the background or work properly it is your fault. Your killing off the processes. Ram is essentially useless in android if it's not being used.
If you have lets say most phones have 512-1gig of ram. Your phone will never say you have 512 ram full please free up ram. It gets to a certain memory limit like depending on what it was set to and then end the processes automatically by itself. If there are many processes running android will start swapping out processes to replace for the new one. When your playing a game and say oh i want to browse the web to check on some game codes or whatever you can go right back to the game.
What if you want to listen to your own music as well. You can then go right back to the game in the exact spot left off. But if you go I'm kill the game process off you won't be able to do that. Don't press that Clear ram in that task manager you have either. All process will be killed including google services. Which will be reloaded again as well as system processes. Everytime android needs to reload its using more power meaning worst battery life.
The only time you should use a task manager is when there is a rogue application or a memory leak.

Watchdog
I don't use a Task Killer, but I do like Watchdog. It's more of a system monitor and lets me know if any background apps jump over a particular CPU usage threshold.
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There is a free, Lite version if you want to give it a try. Amazon had the pay version as their free app o' the day a while back, and I jumped on it.
market.android.com/details?id=com.zomut.watchdoglite&hl=en

I use to use taskkiller but my phone seems to run the same with or without, so I got rid of it.

exileinoblivion7 said:
I use a task killer so im curious why some people say not to use them. What are your opinions?
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i dont like task killers, if your really desperate for ram and use android, i recommend using the v6 supercharger script made by zeppelinrox. ofcourse the thread can be found here in xda. Iwouldnt recommend task killers for several reasons:
1 they take some ram space themselves
2 they use some cpu thus making ur phone slower
3 they use some cpu thus draining your battery faster
4 they make your boot time on your phone longer because they are being loaded whereas scripts dont have that issue
5 i havent actually seen any propper task manager that has like autokill option and woks properly so you constantly have to press the end tasks button (like on system panel for example) and thats quite boring if your doing it all the time... scripts dont have that issue

Killbynature said:
Don't use task Killers. Android has its own built in task manager Which works far better than 3rd party task killers. All you doing is making android reload everything again. Then you wonder why this app doesn't update in the background or work properly it is your fault. Your killing off the processes. Ram is essentially useless in android if it's not being used.
If you have lets say most phones have 512-1gig of ram. Your phone will never say you have 512 ram full please free up ram. It gets to a certain memory limit like depending on what it was set to and then end the processes automatically by itself. If there are many processes running android will start swapping out processes to replace for the new one. When your playing a game and say oh i want to browse the web to check on some game codes or whatever you can go right back to the game.
The only time you should use a task manager is when there is a rogue application or a memory leak.
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Great job explaining this man, I've been aware that killing apps just makes them restart. I really only kill apps if they are acting a fool.
And to clear things up I don't have a task killer installed, however I do use the one built into the go launcher app drawer to kill apps that go nuts.
I have used the v6 script before, however I recently downloaded Rom toolbox and it let's you adjust minfrees from there. You guys should check it out
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I don't use a task killer. My phone burns less than 1% of battery per hour when idle.
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exileinoblivion7 said:
I have used the v6 script before, however I recently downloaded Rom toolbox and it let's you adjust minfrees from there. You guys should check it out
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i have a low end phone, as i ran out of cash after buying myself headphones and an itouch, so i couldnt get the phone of my dreams and had to settle for a really cheap samsung galaxy 3 so i dont have a very wide choice of minfrees i can choose from... i got like 256 ram or something, and i dont use swap because i hate partitioning my sdcard...
im so definitly changing my phone in 2012, im either waiting for the nozumi to come out (huge sony ericsson fan ^_^) or im settling for the HTC gigabeats

Task killers are good when you see a rogue app that is draining a ton of your battery life but aren't good when you use the "Kill All" button. As long as their are poorly developed applications, there will be a use for task killers.

some people will tell you not to use task killers because it inhbits Android's normal functioning by interfering with RAm use, causes things to go wrong, running apps don't use battery, blah blah blah. but there are a few problems with these claims.
First, Android's RAM management is not flawless. no Operating system is. fanboys keep claiming it is yet offer no support for whether a 3rd party task killer is better or worse. in fact, they were all claiming this when Froyo was the latest. but then when Gingerbread came out, one of its new features was better RAM management, which fanboys around the internet praised it for, which means there had, in fact, been room for improvement, which they had been denying for quite some time.
second. there are around 500,000 apps on the market. some are flawed, causing RAM leaks and various other malfunctions that ANdroid can't always handle. a task killer is your best, and sometimes only option in this situation, as you might not reasonably have the option of deleting the app permanently.
third, battery life. it may be true that apps simply being running in the background alone doesn't use battery; I'm not sure. yet what fanboys routinely ignore is, many of these apps don't just sit there waiting to be turned on again. some of them turn on so as to collect user data about all sorts of things, then broadcast it to the developer for various uses. this broadcasting uses your phone's radio even when in the background, and that DOES use electricity - from your battery, not to mention data if you have a limited plan. a very large amount of apps do this, which is one major reason why ICS now includes a data management menu that monitors all apps' data usage, as well as a built in app freezer that stops apps from running until you allow them to again.

I use the one that comes stock, and alathough it frees up ram I dont notice any difference in battery drain (1% per hour) or any difference in performance

Falkner09 said:
some people will tell you not to use task killers because it inhbits Android's normal functioning by interfering with RAm use, causes things to go wrong, running apps don't use battery, blah blah blah. but there are a few problems with these claims.
First, Android's RAM management is not flawless. no Operating system is. fanboys keep claiming it is yet offer no support for whether a 3rd party task killer is better or worse. in fact, they were all claiming this when Froyo was the latest. but then when Gingerbread came out, one of its new features was better RAM management, which fanboys around the internet praised it for, which means there had, in fact, been room for improvement, which they had been denying for quite some time.
second. there are around 500,000 apps on the market. some are flawed, causing RAM leaks and various other malfunctions that ANdroid can't always handle. a task killer is your best, and sometimes only option in this situation, as you might not reasonably have the option of deleting the app permanently.
third, battery life. it may be true that apps simply being running in the background alone doesn't use battery; I'm not sure. yet what fanboys routinely ignore is, many of these apps don't just sit there waiting to be turned on again. some of them turn on so as to collect user data about all sorts of things, then broadcast it to the developer for various uses. this broadcasting uses your phone's radio even when in the background, and that DOES use electricity - from your battery, not to mention data if you have a limited plan. a very large amount of apps do this, which is one major reason why ICS now includes a data management menu that monitors all apps' data usage, as well as a built in app freezer that stops apps from running until you allow them to again.
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Could you please explain what third party task killers do that the Android system manager doesnt do natively?

johnston9234 said:
Could you please explain what third party task killers do that the Android system manager doesnt do natively?
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From my personal experience it doesn't kill some rogue apps that drain my phone's battery life. Occasionally I use the app "GPS Status" to help find my location faster and if I don't immediately kill the app after my location is locked, the app shoots up to 30-40% on Battery Status.

johnston9234 said:
Could you please explain what third party task killers do that the Android system manager doesnt do natively?
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work responsively, to start with. every time i've tried to open the application manager on android, I first have to go through all the sub menus to get to it, then sit and wait for it to slooooooooooowly load up the list on installed apps, then running apps, then click on the app, then wait for it to load that particular app's info, THEN I can force close it.
two, they often catch apps running that the default manager doesn't notice, I presume because their developers code them to be hidden somehow.
so yeah, they're occasionally a valid option to use.

I'm happy with or without task killer )
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