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Keeping the phone in memory

I am running an eclair rom on my g1 (latest superbad), but that's not really important. What is important is that I like having the launcher in memory because it lets me get back to the home screen faster (for the most part).
In similar fashion, it takes a long time for the phone app to start when I hit the green button, or when I have an incoming call, and so logically I think that keeping the phone app in memory might fix that issue as well. Technically I could be completely wrong. I don't know. I'm not a developer.
Is this possible/feasible? Would it fix the issue?
Note: In all likelihood this post will result in touchy moderators complaining about how it's in the wrong place, or I didn't search or myriad other posts that I often have to sift through before someone answers the question...But I searched and couldnt find any one asking this question, and I thought it was worth asking. I just don't have the time or energy to try and figure out where or when it is appropriate to post. Maybe it's exactly where it belongs, and it is a worthwhile post, but that would be completely accidental.

hugerobot said:
I am running an eclair rom on my g1 (latest superbad), but that's not really important. What is important is that I like having the launcher in memory because it lets me get back to the home screen faster (for the most part).
In similar fashion, it takes a long time for the phone app to start when I hit the green button, or when I have an incoming call, and so logically I think that keeping the phone app in memory might fix that issue as well. Technically I could be completely wrong. I don't know. I'm not a developer.
Is this possible/feasible? Would it fix the issue?
Note: In all likelihood this post will result in touchy moderators complaining about how it's in the wrong place, or I didn't search or myriad other posts that I often have to sift through before someone answers the question...But I searched and couldnt find any one asking this question, and I thought it was worth asking. I just don't have the time or energy to try and figure out where or when it is appropriate to post. Maybe it's exactly where it belongs, and it is a worthwhile post, but that would be completely accidental.
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Pre-complaining about others' complaints = lame.
To answer your questions, have you: 1. checked Spare Parts to see if the "keep home app in memory" bit is set? (at the bottom of the list) 2. have you used a task manager like Auto Killer to manage your memory more aggressively ? 3. Have you used a task manager to see dialer.apk's status after using the phone for other stuff? 4. Have you posted this question to the devs/other users of this ROM to see if they have similar problems?
BTW, your config including ROM type/build/version, etc is extremely important.

No doubt someone will complain about the placement of your thread but to be honest some of these people have no lives. Anyway, I don't know if this helps but I exclude my dialer from my task manager and it starts instantly. I am using Advanced Task Manager... hope it works for you.

rynosaur said:
Pre-complaining about others' complaints = lame.
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Calling me lame when it appears that you didn't even read my post=the reason why I hardly ever post here. Ugh.
rynosaur said:
To answer your questions, have you: 1. checked Spare Parts to see if the "keep home app in memory" bit is set? (at the bottom of the list) 2. have you used a task manager like Auto Killer to manage your memory more aggressively ? 3. Have you used a task manager to see dialer.apk's status after using the phone for other stuff? 4. Have you posted this question to the devs/other users of this ROM to see if they have similar problems?
BTW, your config including ROM type/build/version, etc is extremely important.
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I think maybe you only read the part where I precomplained... since that seems to be the only item you commented on appropriately. But to answer your questions...
1. I clearly stated that I keep home app in memory because I like the performance gain. I have no idea what your asking me.
2. I don't use task killers/memory managers. Cyanogen and most other experts have argued against them enough to convince me that it's not the right solution.
3. huh?
4. I'm not complaining. This is not geared toward any particular dev. Slow phone is a known inconvenience with all eclair builds on G1. Didn't think I needed to go asking if anyone else was experiencing it. I have flashed so many eclair roms to my phone, and with all of them the phone app has behaved more or less the same way.
BTW- I also clearly stated that I have a G1 running the latest superbad.
Here's my question again... Would keeping the phone app in memory improve it's performance in the same way that keeping the home app in memory does? If so is there value in including this option in spare parts?

blackvyper said:
No doubt someone will complain about the placement of your thread but to be honest some of these people have no lives. Anyway, I don't know if this helps but I exclude my dialer from my task manager and it starts instantly. I am using Advanced Task Manager... hope it works for you.
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Thank you for your suggestion... but I'm leery about using task managers/killers based on some of the discussions I've read from some of the expert devs (cyanogen, etc). I suppose if it works, the result is the same. I am surprised no one has asked this question before. I searched quite a bit and couldn't find a mention- on here, and a straight up Google search.

I don't know why I wasting my time on your reply since you're too arrogant to accept advice but here goes in more simple words you might understand.
1. Download task manager
2. Use task manager to see DIALER's status. Is it foreground? Is it background? What is its OOM, what is it PID?
3. Report results on appropriate ROM thread. Ask other users if their experience is similar.
4. In the meanwhile, try keeping alive the Dialer longer than normal. This means make OOM higher. (yes, its extension is APK as it is an Android application, you know, your OS?)
If you saw "kill" anywhere in there, let me know. If you are comparing your experience with dialer to a Launcher app that is held in memory by Spare Parts, that's useful information. Nevermind that a Launcher that is held in memory elbows out other foreground apps like, oh . . . Dialer? What would you guess that OOM is? If you like launcher's response better than dialer, perhaps you should adjust's dialer's OOM. Just a thought. I don't know ****, that's why I'm trying to help.

rynosaur said:
I don't know why I wasting my time on your reply since you're too arrogant to accept advice but here goes in more simple words you might understand.
1. Download task manager
2. Use task manager to see DIALER's status. Is it foreground? Is it background? What is its OOM, what is it PID?
3. Report results on appropriate ROM thread. Ask other users if their experience is similar.
4. In the meanwhile, try keeping alive the Dialer longer than normal. This means make OOM higher. (yes, its extension is APK as it is an Android application, you know, your OS?)
If you saw "kill" anywhere in there, let me know. If you are comparing your experience with dialer to a Launcher app that is held in memory by Spare Parts, that's useful information. Nevermind that a Launcher that is held in memory elbows out other foreground apps like, oh . . . Dialer? What would you guess that OOM is? If you like launcher's response better than dialer, perhaps you should adjust's dialer's OOM. Just a thought. I don't know ****, that's why I'm trying to help.
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I don't know where the arrogance was in my opening post??? You decided to start off your first reply with name calling. Cool it. Don't waste your time on me anymore, ok? I don't need your help, man. There's plenty of polite, helpful people here. I'll look to them. I don't need advice wrapped around names and swears and put downs.
Edit:I just deleted 3 paragraphs... you're just not worth the effort.
Let me repeat my question, slightly reworded, since I don't know what OOMs are and I don't want to know.
Spare parts has an option to keep launcher in memory. Is there a chance that adding another option to keep the phone in memory might help with phone app performance? I don't want to use task killers, etc.
That is my question. My only question. Sorry for all of the drama, folks.

hugerobot said:
That is my question. My only question. Sorry for all of the drama, folks.
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Yes, I'm sorry for my part -- I started sarcastic and then thing flew out of hand. My point about priority and memory allocation is this: dialer is, by its nature, held in memory-it doesn't have to be loaded after boot, it just has to be recalled. I'm sure you've noticed that no matter what you're doing on the phone, it all takes a backseat to an incoming call, and usually very quickly, <5 seconds. The phone is still built to take calls above any thing else.
So my answer to your question is this: bump up the priority of phone.apk. It will respond to the green button more quickly. In my ROM, Phone has an OOM of -12, while HTC Sense is 0 -- that's Spare Parts working to make dialer higher on the food chain. Think about it. Don't wait for someone to rewrite a ROM, just use AutoKiller to bump it up the foodchain and push other background processes further to the back. If you use compcache, remember dialer.apk may end up there, where it takes more till (being compressed) than normal to recall. Also Phone Prioritizer (which I can't find on the market anymore due to my build) is nice fore renicing more frequently than the OS does by default. All these things could help. Reducing other concurrent background tasks will help as well.

hugerobot said:
I don't know where the arrogance was in my opening post??? You decided to start off your first reply with name calling. Cool it. Don't waste your time on me anymore, ok? I don't need your help, man. There's plenty of polite, helpful people here. I'll look to them. I don't need advice wrapped around names and swears and put downs.
Edit:I just deleted 3 paragraphs... you're just not worth the effort.
Let me repeat my question, slightly reworded, since I don't know what OOMs are and I don't want to know.
Spare parts has an option to keep launcher in memory. Is there a chance that adding another option to keep the phone in memory might help with phone app performance? I don't want to use task killers, etc.
That is my question. My only question. Sorry for all of the drama, folks.
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I know what you mean. Im not sure what happend to XDA lately. Back when it was ALL windows mobile forums (phones no android), everyone was very helpfull ect... When android phones started coming out that brought the whole world to XDA and now we have people on here who have nothing else to do but bash people instead of helping them... Anyways... LOL
As for the dialer / home in memory situation. I found that enabling swap / compcache makes a huge difference.
I been on every 2.1 rom on G1 and ALL of them had problems with loading apps very slow and opening the home screen real real slow even with "Home in Memory" checked in spared parts.
And then I flashed Super E yesterday wich is a 2.1 rom that has swap / compcache settings inside spare parts. I partitoned my sdcard with 254mb swap and enabled Swap and Compcache of 32mb. I also went to the market and downloaded "Swapper 2" which will also enable swap and tell you your swap statistics. After doing that everything and I mean everything opens rather instantly.
My sdcard is class 2 so I never been a fan of using swap but using swap with compcache makes a huge performance difference for me on my G1 on the Super E rom. I think theres an update to Super E that I havnt flashed yet but with the perfomance so far I dont see a need to update but I might update just for the hell of it.
Long story short. Enable swap partition on your SD card / Install Super E / Install Google Apps / Enable Aps 2 SD / Spare Part Enable compcache / swap 32mb / Enable Launcher in memory / Download Swapper 2 from market and set to on.

Thank you. I will try your suggestion.
One last comment- since I started running eclair roms on my G1, the phone app has taken longer to load than it used to. It doesn't feel like it has priority over the other apps. I do need my phone to be a phone, first and foremost, and it has gotten better, but it's still often very slow to load. Also, I run a very vanilla install. I wipe my phone so often that I don't bother loading a lot of apps. This behavior would be typical for anyone with a fresh install of one of the eclair roms.

hugerobot said:
Thank you. I will try your suggestion.
One last comment- since I started running eclair roms on my G1, the phone app has taken longer to load than it used to. It doesn't feel like it has priority over the other apps. I do need my phone to be a phone, first and foremost, and it has gotten better, but it's still often very slow to load. Also, I run a very vanilla install. I wipe my phone so often that I don't bother loading a lot of apps. This behavior would be typical for anyone with a fresh install of one of the eclair roms.
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All these replies you are getting about phone.apk and dialer.apk have nothing to do with your problem. In fact there is no dialer.apk. And phone.apk is mainly for incoming calls. The rest of the dialing, such as when you use the green button, is done via contacts.apk. The slow load times are really a part of the way android kills processes. If you are running a replacement launcher like LauncherPro or GDE, etc, what you are seeing is that acore needs to reload and takes a long time. The stock launcher is much more forgiving. I have found that by installing the "DialerOne" dialer from the market, that these alternate launchers do not cause the acore reload, and the dialer is very fast to load.

bkmo said:
All these replies you are getting about phone.apk and dialer.apk have nothing to do with your problem. In fact there is no dialer.apk. And phone.apk is mainly for incoming calls. .
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I never said phone.apk but I did transpose dialer and phone as interchangeable names for the same process. My fault, but what runs in the background to let let you make phone calls is name com.android.phone.
This advice/his characterization of how the dialer-contacts tool works might hold true in Eclair/2.1 Cyanogen-based ROMs, but it is not an "android" universal truth. I am running a Sense 2.1 ROM and believe me, there is no "contacts" process. Foregrounding com.android.phone brings up the dialer, and decreasing its OOM brings up the dialer instantly when the green button is pressed.
The other gentleman's response that more cache is the answer may be a great answer for cm5.0.7 ROMs--if you can get a good cache going, I never could--but it's almost a non-question in Sense ROMs since everyone will run one anyway, whether it be backingswap or linux-swap.
Now that's we've cleared this question up completely

I couldn't bother reading all of the back and forth stuff, I am using Xtreme-1.2.2-black it is 2.1 CM5 base.
I have been using shadowch31 Renice Script that gives the "phone" app a higher priority and it starts up a lot faster.
Also using and ogg file instead of an mp3 has been know to help.
I haven't seen the script in any of the forms so I am not sure if shadowch31 wants it released so pm me or him if you want to give it a try

This is from the getting hero to run faster thread in general:
You can easily lock home into memory. *thanks speedysilwady and firerat. Here's how to set this permanently:
Code:
adb pull /init.rc
[I]replace "setprop ro.HOME_APP_MEM ..." with:[/I]
[I][B]setprop ro.HOME_APP_MEM 1536[/B][/I]
adb push init.rc /sdcard/init.rc
adb shell
# mount -o remount,ro rootfs /
# cat /sdcard/init.rc | tee /init.rc
# mount -o remount,rw rootfs /
# rm /sdcard/init.rc
Can't we do something similar with the phone.apk?

SuperBad v1.4.2 will be up in a bit...
It'll be fixed.
In Christ
Clay

htcclay said:
SuperBad v1.4.2 will be up in a bit...
It'll be fixed.
In Christ
Clay
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From the man himself! So did my suggestion help? Did I actually contribute by posing the question?
For the record, I did say that this was the case with all 2.1 roms I've tried, not a problem with superbad.

rynosaur said:
This advice/his characterization of how the dialer-contacts tool works might hold true in Eclair/2.1 Cyanogen-based ROMs, but it is not an "android" universal truth. I am running a Sense 2.1 ROM and believe me, there is no "contacts" process. Foregrounding com.android.phone brings up the dialer, and decreasing its OOM brings up the dialer instantly when the green button is pressed.
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You are right, there is no "contacts" process. And I have seen this contact.apk loading issue since "donut", so it is not an "eclair" only issue. What I do see is that when you are running an alternate home app, that when you press the green button, or the phone icon, what you get is an "acore has died" in adb logcat. At this point acore reloads all the programs under it including launcher, before it runs the contacts app to get you the dialer. I have seen up to 20 seconds before the dialer comes up. Renicing phone.apk does not help this issue in my testing. I have just tried dialerone from the market, and it does not suffer the slow load times. I do not know what brings up the dialer when you press the button, all I know is that the dialer is included in contacts.apk, and what I see in a logcat whn I press the button or icon. Dialerone is working for me, and I can use the latest ADW launcher without a delay to the dialer. Thanks for setting me straight....seriously.

mejorguille said:
This is from the getting hero to run faster thread in general:
You can easily lock home into memory. *thanks speedysilwady and firerat. Here's how to set this permanently:
Code:
adb pull /init.rc
[I]replace "setprop ro.HOME_APP_MEM ..." with:[/I]
[I][B]setprop ro.HOME_APP_MEM 1536[/B][/I]
adb push init.rc /sdcard/init.rc
adb shell
# mount -o remount,ro rootfs /
# cat /sdcard/init.rc | tee /init.rc
# mount -o remount,rw rootfs /
# rm /sdcard/init.rc
Can't we do something similar with the phone.apk?
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AFIK phone.apk is not the dialer, and is already locked and does not get killed. Just think about it, if it was able to be killed, what would be running to handle an incoming call?

bkmo said:
Thanks for setting me straight....seriously.
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Hey, everybody's got to be wrong at least once a day, me . . . . more 10 or 20 times a day. I don't know what it is with gapps and acore crashing regularly in cm eclair builds, but my impressions from t1-stable were: Hero-like instability, without the Hero bells and whistles. So I switched to Sense 2.1 Result, apps do die when I look at the phone funny (or press Dial -- fring dies when I press dial, or the mysterious com.smithmicro.DM -- probably a keylogger), but the bells and whistles are nice, so there's tangible payoff for dealing with a stretch of a mod.
Hope HTCClay works a miracle and fixes your phone. Maybe he can share the secret with other devs Peace

rynosaur said:
I don't know why I wasting my time on your reply since you're too arrogant to accept advice but here goes in more simple words you might understand.
1. Download task manager
2. Use task manager to see DIALER's status. Is it foreground? Is it background? What is its OOM, what is it PID?
3. Report results on appropriate ROM thread. Ask other users if their experience is similar.
4. In the meanwhile, try keeping alive the Dialer longer than normal. This means make OOM higher. (yes, its extension is APK as it is an Android application, you know, your OS?)
If you saw "kill" anywhere in there, let me know. If you are comparing your experience with dialer to a Launcher app that is held in memory by Spare Parts, that's useful information. Nevermind that a Launcher that is held in memory elbows out other foreground apps like, oh . . . Dialer? What would you guess that OOM is? If you like launcher's response better than dialer, perhaps you should adjust's dialer's OOM. Just a thought. I don't know ****, that's why I'm trying to help.
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there must be some mod out there to shut up this silly stupids like this guy...why this people ever answer in a post?!!!!

[Q] DANGER: Freezing bloatware?

There is a system APP that I'm freezing that is putting my phone into a bootloop and requiring me to do a restore; I did it 3 times already. I thought it was wificalling, and I still think you can't freeze that, but it's something else. Please tell me which of the following (it has to be one or many of these) it could be? Or better yet, tell me which ones I shouldn't freeze:
Android Live Wallpapers
Backup
Bluetooth services
Bluetooth share
Gallery
Live Wallpaper Picker
Magic Smoke Wallpapers
Market
Market updater
Music
Music Visualization wallpapers
My Account
Settings
Settings Storage
Smartshare
SSH Tunnel
SpareParts
Titanium backup
Super Manager
Talk
Video Player
Voice Dialer
VPN Services
EB 1.05 Froyo, Faux's Kernel
Thanks!

All the live wp are gone on mine
G2X

Holy crap! You have all that frozen? I have to fiigure that anything that looks at the settings or is used during normal operation will cause some issues...
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Why have a smart phone if your going to freeze everything I understand freezing the bloat ware but freezing all the system services don't make sense I doubt it will make your phone any faster
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Dood there are at least ten threads on this subject.
Putting that aside, you are freezing system stuff. Why would you freeze the settings? Why Bluetooth? Why gallery?
Buy a dumb phone. Seriously you are freezing half the the phone. Just get a dumb phone.
ITS ALL WONKY!!!

Backup
Bluetooth services
Bluetooth share
Gallery
Live Wallpaper Picker
Market
Market updater
Music
Settings
Settings Storage
SSH Tunnel
Super Manager
Talk
Voice Dialer
VPN Services
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Don't freeze those, for a start! As others have said, built in services isn't bloatware!

Why market? That just defeats the entire reason for a smartphone lol.
ITS ALL WONKY!!!

You should have put the whole phone into the freezer, it would probably work better.

ok...
Wow, calm the F down u all, it's not like I don't use them. I unfreeze them if I need them. \
Android Live Wallpapers (get off my damn phone)
Backup (I don't need this, i use titanium backup, and it's always running in the bg)
Bluetooth stuff (almost never use, but will when I get the headset)
Gallery (always running in the background and you can view your pics right on the camera while this is frozen, so ... ).
Live Wallpaper Picker (get the f off my phone)
Magic Smoke Wallpapers (get off my phone)
Market (alright, you have a point...)
Market updater (doesn't this just update the apps?, the general consensus is that problems come with updates on APPs, although clearly, one can argue au contraire...)
Music (alright, touché)
Music Visualization wallpapers (No... I don´t need this..)
My Account, Settings, Settings Storage, spare parts (i don't go in there anymore after I got the phone all geared up)
Smartshare- what even is this?
SSH Tunnel- half of you probable don't know what this is...
SpareParts- ummmm... don't really ever go in this i forget what it is?
Titanium backup- it's backed up! why give it the chance to run in the background..?
Super Manager (I only use for when I look up root **** which is almost never anymore since I got everything where I want it. )
Talk (I don't want this, I use Skype...)
Video Player (fine, touché)
Voice Dialer (it doesn't ever match the numbers correctly, so clearly I can freeze)
VPN Services (What is this??)
I don´t base my life around this crap, I just want to make my phone as good as it can be with the longest battery life and the stock kernel and rom obviously can´t do it...
peace:: V

el buho said:
Backup (I don't need this, i use titanium backup, and it's always running in the bg)...
Titanium backup- it's backed up! why give it the chance to run in the background..?
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I'm far from a pro at Android, but the above, and the fact that you're trying to rationalize to a forum why freezing certain processes are putting you in a bootloop is hilarious. As if the people here can appeal to the G2X for you.
Talk sweetly to try and convince the device itself. Or just look at the list of apps that are safe to freeze.

el buho said:
Wow, calm the F down u all, it's not like I don't use them. I unfreeze them if I need them. \
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Maybe, just maybe some of that stuff NEEDS to be running in the background...
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el buho said:
Wow, calm the F down u all, it's not like I don't use them. I unfreeze them if I need them. \
Android Live Wallpapers (get off my damn phone)
Backup (I don't need this, i use titanium backup, and it's always running in the bg)
Bluetooth stuff (almost never use, but will when I get the headset)
Gallery (always running in the background and you can view your pics right on the camera while this is frozen, so ... ).
Live Wallpaper Picker (get the f off my phone)
Magic Smoke Wallpapers (get off my phone)
Market (alright, you have a point...)
Market updater (doesn't this just update the apps?, the general consensus is that problems come with updates on APPs, although clearly, one can argue au contraire...)
Music (alright, touché)
Music Visualization wallpapers (No... I don´t need this..)
My Account, Settings, Settings Storage, spare parts (i don't go in there anymore after I got the phone all geared up)
Smartshare- what even is this?
SSH Tunnel- half of you probable don't know what this is...
SpareParts- ummmm... don't really ever go in this i forget what it is?
Titanium backup- it's backed up! why give it the chance to run in the background..?
Super Manager (I only use for when I look up root **** which is almost never anymore since I got everything where I want it. )
Talk (I don't want this, I use Skype...)
Video Player (fine, touché)
Voice Dialer (it doesn't ever match the numbers correctly, so clearly I can freeze)
VPN Services (What is this??)
I don´t base my life around this crap, I just want to make my phone as good as it can be with the longest battery life and the stock kernel and rom obviously can´t do it...
peace:: V
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+overclock it, and u will get there best performance don't forget to show benchmark results

[ROGERS] bloatware list?

Was wondering if anyone has made a comprehensive list of bloatware that is safe to uninstall for the I727R yet? I've used a couple of roms, and they're great, just not as stable as the stock.
Would love to remove *all* the bloat from my device, just don't know which ones are 100% safe to trash yet....
Also, from what I've read, I can just change the kernel if I want to oc, right? What's a good kernel for that? Da_og?
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Two that come to mind off the top of my head
Da_G oc kernal
or
faux123 oc kernal
I've had no problems with either one, but only have limited experience with them.

And those are pretty stable on the Rogers offering? Sorry for the 20 questions, but I'm a novice at best with Android... and this device in particular doesn't seem to have a lot of material that lends itself to inspire absolute confidence in someone of my level of understanding, lol
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the k9 said:
And those are pretty stable on the Rogers offering? Sorry for the 20 questions, but I'm a novice at best with Android... and this device in particular doesn't seem to have a lot of material that lends itself to inspire absolute confidence in someone of my level of understanding, lol
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I have not tried these kernals with stock rogers gingerbread, but from what I have read around these forums it sounds fairly stable.
if it were me I would just try it; and see if you can get it nice and stable thats the fun of flashing around.

the k9 said:
Was wondering if anyone has made a comprehensive list of bloatware that is safe to uninstall for the I727R yet? I've used a couple of roms, and they're great, just not as stable as the stock.
Would love to remove *all* the bloat from my device, just don't know which ones are 100% safe to trash yet....
Also, from what I've read, I can just change the kernel if I want to oc, right? What's a good kernel for that? Da_og?
Sent from my rooted SGS2 I727R using stock, until something really stable comes along using xda-app
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If you think it might be bload but you aren't sure just go into titanium backup and freeze it. It is the exact same but if you run into problems later just unfreeze it and its right back on your phone. If it turns out you really dont need it then just unistall it

I'm running the ATT bln mod kernel on ATT hardware but a rogers rom and I have no issues.
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So no one has made a bloat list for the I727R?
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Hope no one minds, but I'm gonna keep this bumped till a list is made, our I compile a good list to share... Might be hard though... The urge to flash is getting pretty severe
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After flashing the TPC v3 rom, here are my list of frozen apps. I've also got a lot of third party apps to replace stock launcher/dialer/keyboard/etc.... so I've frozen the stock ver of those.
I'll repeat the advise stated earlier in the thread, use Titanium Backup to freeze the apps instead of removing them completely until you're sure you don't need those.
AllShare
Buddies Now
com.samsung.app.playreadyui
com.sec.android.app.lcdtest
Days
Digital Clock
DRM content launcher
DRM Protected Content Storage
DSMForwarding
DSMLawmo
Dual clock
Email
EncryptApp
Error
Helv Neue
Home Screen tips
IM
Kies Air
Let's try, panning!
Market Feedback Agent
Microbes
Mini paper
Mobile Print
My files
Nfc Service
NFC Test
Ocean weather
Pico TTS
Preconfig
Samsung Apps
Samsung keypad
Samsung TTS
SamsungAppsUNA2
Self Test Mode
Setup Wizard
SIM Toolkit
SNS
SNS Disclaimer
SNSAccountFb
SNSAccountLi
SNSAccountTw
SnsImageCache
Social Hub
Tags
TTS Service
TwLauncher (Touchwiz.. don't freeze unless you have another launcher installed)
TwWallpaperChooser
Videos
Windy Weather
WlanTest
wssyncmlnps

tom0927 said:
After flashing the TPC v3 rom, here are my list of frozen apps. I've also got a lot of third party apps to replace stock launcher/dialer/keyboard/etc.... so I've frozen the stock ver of those.
I'll repeat the advise stated earlier in the thread, use Titanium Backup to freeze the apps instead of removing them completely until you're sure you don't need those.
AllShare
Buddies Now
com.samsung.app.playreadyui
com.sec.android.app.lcdtest
Days
Digital Clock
DRM content launcher
DRM Protected Content Storage
DSMForwarding
DSMLawmo
Dual clock
Email
EncryptApp
Error
Helv Neue
Home Screen tips
IM
Kies Air
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Market Feedback Agent
Microbes
Mini paper
Mobile Print
My files
Nfc Service
NFC Test
Ocean weather
Pico TTS
Preconfig
Samsung Apps
Samsung keypad
Samsung TTS
SamsungAppsUNA2
Self Test Mode
Setup Wizard
SIM Toolkit
SNS
SNS Disclaimer
SNSAccountFb
SNSAccountLi
SNSAccountTw
SnsImageCache
Social Hub
Tags
TTS Service
TwLauncher (Touchwiz.. don't freeze unless you have another launcher installed)
TwWallpaperChooser
Videos
Windy Weather
WlanTest
wssyncmlnps
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Nice list
One suggestion: TwLauncher, I'm pretty sure if you were to do a factory reset phone would crash after the inital setup(language blah blah).
Second thing, I've frozen secphone.apk for some time with no ill effects(not sure what it does). Could be screenshot service?

big thanks tom! Now if I can only figure out why this bleeding device keeps frying SD cards... 3rd one onside of a month! WTF?!?

xda1zero said:
Nice list
One suggestion: TwLauncher, I'm pretty sure if you were to do a factory reset phone would crash after the inital setup(language blah blah).
Second thing, I've frozen secphone.apk for some time with no ill effects(not sure what it does). Could be screenshot service?
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Thanks! I've just frozen secphone as well.

Groovy, thanks xda, tom. I was holding off flahing any new roms... but with the card issues, as well as reading the rave reviews of TPC's rom, I'm going to give it a run tonight.
Also, I'll name my first partition after you~

Great
Great list - just rooted, purchased TB, and froze almost all of the above mentioned (except TwLauncher and related).
Seemed to free up a lot of available ram on my SGS2 LTE.
Next step would be trying out 'roms', which I have next to none knowledge of.
Or just wait for the official OTA update coming up in a month or two...

honestly rogers doesnt put as much bloatware on the phone as att does to their version. I removed more Samsung bloatware then rogers bloatware when I was running stock. I'm now running CocaColaClassic and it works flawlessly on my Rogers GS2LTE i727r plus when he updates his rom he includes a update zip. I've tried every single rom and thats the best, cyanogenmod 7 is the second best rom available. Though this is my opinion. Also I use LauncherPro instead of twlauncher (find it much more efficient and faster)

Whats better on Coke than TPCs? Just curious

Titanium Backup
JHK1984 said:
... and froze almost all of the above mentioned (except TwLauncher and related).
Seemed to free up a lot of available ram on my SGS2 LTE.
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Freezing apps with TB doesn't free up any memory:
here is a relevant excerpt from TB Technical Guidline
17. Does “freezing” apps free space from phone memory ?
No, it doesn’t. The “frozen” app remains on the phone with its data, it’s just that the app gets completely disabled until you “defrost” it.

Lag Reduction Guide

Although I have none... Maybe these things as well as contributors can come up with some ideas that might have helped:
1. Kies restore via norbarb's/Kies method. This will remove root, but rerooting is 30 secs.
Root Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2252248
Kies Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2261232
All information is in his thread, but I feel it's easier to download Kies
start it up
and then plug your phone in. Kies will do the rest.
2. Seeder from Market by Entropy512. Root Required!
Download from Market
enable lag reduction
check only 'Start automatically on boot''
select performance profile "Moderate"
Reboot your phone and check its on.
3. Disable the following:
Power Saving (This one lags the phone quite a bit on different charge levels)
Screen Mirroring
Multi Window (This one straight lags the phone period, kinda useless)
4. Android Assitant
Download from Market
Select Tools from Tabs
Select Startup Manager
Under User Tab - Kill anything you don't care about
Under System Tab (Check to Kill on Startup, will run when you start it)-
Email (I don't use it)
Exchange Services (I don't use it - for MS Exchange Servers)
Help
Internet
Maps
Facebook SNS
Talk
Youtube
Reboot the phone
5. Developer Options. (Click 7 Times on the Build Number)
Window animation scale = 0.5
Transition animation scale = 0.5
Animator duration scale = 0.5
I don't use any ATT stuff so I removed it, but I doubt this will do anything. I have everything else enabled other than listed above like air gestures blah bla bla
By all means not exhaustive and lag is based on what you have loaded.... but I just hope this helps!
If others have anything to add please do.

0.5 still gives me lag, I set it to 0 just because it feels more instant.
I still see lag in glow animations, however, so I really think there is something up with the scaling/governor of the CPU/GPU. This will likely be remedied in future optimizations, patches, and/or third-party kernels (I hope).
I also turned off Air View, Air Gesture, Smart Stay, and Smart Scroll just because a part of me feels those were unnecessarily taxing. Messaging actually seems to load faster now that I don't think it needs to track finger movements.

I'm the opposite, I have all the features turned on & animations at default 1.
What I did was frooze all AT&T apps but left Samsung Apps alone since I like to see what they have to offer. Of course, you can freeze them if you want.
DL an app called Android tuner from the Play store & went to the startup section. I unchecked all apps that I didnt want to startup.

I have done just about everything listed in the 1st post and more at least 3 times in the past 3 days..
The lag-a-thon continues..
I have not tried Seeder or Android Assist nor will I!
I am sure they are premium and top notch applications but if I need to go to that extent just make what should be one of the fastest and quickest phones on the planet (based on it's specs) work then it's time for me to return and move along...
Good luck all as the POS is heading back to AT&T.. :good: :good: :good:

burningembers said:
0.5 still gives me lag, I set it to 0 just because it feels more instant.
I still see lag in glow animations, however, so I really think there is something up with the scaling/governor of the CPU/GPU. This will likely be remedied in future optimizations, patches, and/or third-party kernels (I hope).
I also turned off Air View, Air Gesture, Smart Stay, and Smart Scroll just because a part of me feels those were unnecessarily taxing. Messaging actually seems to load faster now that I don't think it needs to track finger movements.
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Did you reduce to 0 on all 3 scalers like transition, animation, and animation engine(?)
RMXO said:
I'm the opposite, I have all the features turned on & animations at default 1.
What I did was frooze all AT&T apps but left Samsung Apps alone since I like to see what they have to offer. Of course, you can freeze them if you want.
DL an app called Android tuner from the Play store & went to the startup section. I unchecked all apps that I didnt want to startup.
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I believe you have to leave Samsung apps completely working because they are tied to the SystemUI and features.
raqball said:
I have done just about everything listed in the 1st post and more at least 3 times in the past 3 days..
The lag-a-thon continues..
I have not tried Seeder or Android Assist nor will I!
I am sure they are premium and top notch applications but if I need to go to that extent just make what should be one of the fastest and quickest phones on the planet (based on it's specs) work then it's time for me to return and move along...
Good luck all as the POS is heading back to AT&T.. :good: :good: :good:
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Wait what? Kies released the OS yesterday.... Factory reset and Kies is very different

slider2828 said:
Did you reduce to 0 on all 3 scalers like transition, animation, and animation engine(?)
I believe you have to leave Samsung apps completely working because they are tied to the SystemUI and features.
Wait what? Kies released the OS yesterday.... Factory reset and Kies is very different
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I did the Odin method twice last night and once today..
Have not tried Kies but may give it a shot later tonight before this thing gets boxed up and sent back to hell...
I doubt there will be any difference whatsoever between using Kies or Odin but hey, I will give it a try..

raqball said:
I did the Odin method twice last night and once today..
Have not tried Kies but may give it a shot later tonight before this thing gets boxed up and sent back to hell...
I doubt there will be any difference whatsoever between using Kies or Odin but hey, I will give it a try..
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Sorry about the frustration, but I appreciate you giving it another try as I really am enjoying this phone coming from an Infuse 4G.
In the meanwhile, try seeder and android assistant as well.... Root is reversible anyways.... Good luck!

Seeder is not by entropy512...it relies on a thing called entropy...and most devs say its pacebo as there is no real reason why it would increase performance...this is just based of the entropy threads ive read...and I believe entropy512 was one of those people who stated it was placebo so a little irony there...however if it makes your phone run faster then use it but I never noticed any differnce with using seeder on any of my previous phones (samsung infuse, htc vivid)
Here is seeders official thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk 2

Its like any other program and settings done to phones. Some maybe affected some maybe not.... I through it on most my phones.... Depends what you are running I guess, but who knows... I have 2 SGS4's... One for me and my wife... She doesn't have it and I do.... Most settings are the same, i'll see... Both bought on opening date at the same time, so hard to tell hardware batch... But I will seee......

Try looking for an app that prevents apps from starting up like "android tuner" or "Rom toolbox pro".

Something else is hit power saver off and on. Power saver limits the cpu speed might be it...
sgh-i747(d2att)(sgs3) on latest cm10.1 or ultimatum

i've noticed a tiny bit of a delay when unlocking the phone and perhaps when opening SMS and the phone, but its not enough that I feel it's the same lag that a lot of people here are complaining about. I'm only basing that on the fact that there's no way i'd be THIS upset (as some of you are) based on what i'm seeing. So while there's lag, im afraid to try this stuff because it cant possibly be what you guys are experiencing unless you're all huge complainers, which I doubt :silly:

These steps can be done on any phone and are generic. I am suggesting you try it

Just a quick, simple suggestion for everyone posting their best "you should try app XYZ" on this thread and others without posting any links to them.... please take the extra 2 seconds to link the app from the Play Store - ahhh, you see what I did there! - because it makes your attempt at a helpful post actually helpful! In the thread I made about that Weather Station app, do you know how many apps that have the words "Weather Station" there are on the Play Store? Here's the current list - would be pretty mean of me if I didn't link it, right? And someone still asked me on that thread what the name of the developer was because they didn't just click the link! :silly:
My 2 cents........

I am rooted and have noticed a little bit of lag - In the past I have used an app called "LagFix" free https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5ncmlsbGVkbW9ua2V5LmxhZ2ZpeCJd
So I tried installing it - dropped my animations in Settings/Developer Options to .5 and I noticed a pretty decent improvement.
I have also have always used Android Assistant https://play.google.com/store/search?q=android+assistant&c=apps because it is such a useful APP and it helps as well.
FYI - I also froze some of the unneeded ATT Bloatware APPS but I am not sure if that had any effect or not -
I was a little dissapointed when I first got this phone because of the lag but honestly I think I have been spoiled by running custom roms for so long I got used to having little to no bloat and hi power kernels --- so, I had to bring things into perspective - can't wait to get the bootloader unlocked and some AOSP roms to flash - lol
I still love this phone despite the few minor annoyances...

So i read in another thread of some people trying a different launcher and having better results.. I just installed nova launcher and bam.. lag is completely gone. LIke.. there is ZERO lag, not even a hitch.. so maybe the problem lies in how samsung did the launcher?
The only thing that i dont like now is that I can't use the really nicely redone clock/weather widget and the fantastic briefing widget which i fell in love with on day one. Oh well, at least my phone zips now.

howtomen said:
Something else is hit power saver off and on. Power saver limits the cpu speed might be it...
sgh-i747(d2att)(sgs3) on latest cm10.1 or ultimatum
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Nice going to add to the front.

Some people are using Trickster to tweak the cores... which I have heard it works, but I get wakelocks from this,...

What kind of wakelocks are you seeing? I'm seeing very very little wakelocks using trickster. I unplugged my phone at 4:30 am this morning. 12 hours later I still have 89% battery left with very few wakelocks (kernel/partial). With 48 mins screen on. Couple of phone calls and texts.

Yeah not sure why.... I am not sure how to find these wake locks.... I would need to jump into Better battery stats to do so...

Help, 5.0 702L boot up service issues

I have never had this issue on any other device with 5.0+ and wonder if it is unique to the X2
I can do any app that says start at boot up, e.g., Smart Unlock, and any autostart app, and oftentimes the service will not start at boot up
I have downloaded and tried a number of apps and utilities (about 4 init.d utilities and bootcomnand) and unfortunately no dice. "Autostart and Stay" is the latest.
Not only will the service not startup at boot, even manually started (which like Pavlov's dog I have trained myself to do), it does not "stay" ie keep the apps persistent or working in the background. Padlocking the apps (pulling down vs zooshing up in the multifinder/square box background tasks doesn't keep things executing.
This is a big hassle. I'm rooted and would do a single command line type command in boot shell pro, but don't have a command I can toss in to start the process or app and/or keep the process persistent.
Any help appreciated.

Rudolpht said:
I have never had this issue on any other device with 5.0+ and wonder if it is unique to the X2
I can do any app that says start at boot up, e.g., Smart Unlock, and any autostart app, and oftentimes the service will not start at boot up
I have downloaded and tried a number of apps and utilities (about 4 init.d utilities and bootcomnand) and unfortunately no dice. "Autostart and Stay" is the latest.
Not only will the service not startup at boot, even manually started (which like Pavlov's dog I have trained myself to do), it does not "stay" ie keep the apps persistent or working in the background. Padlocking the apps (pulling down vs zooshing up in the multifinder/square box background tasks doesn't keep things executing.
This is a big hassle. I'm rooted and would do a single command line type command in boot shell pro, but don't have a command I can toss in to start the process or app and/or keep the process persistent.
Any help appreciated.
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Go into phone manager then settings then shortcuts and add the Dropzone shortcut to your home screen. Then open the shortcut and enable everything in dropzone.

That is great advice. There are still nuances about this phone I need to explore. The nuanced nuance was I needed to have the dropzone shortcut (the service was already turned). I also had to protect it so it would run in the background during sleep (?!?) and after that third reboot it booted the service correctly. It seems like a combo of science and mysticism. But it works & thank you!

Rudolpht said:
That is great advice. There are still nuances about this phone I need to explore. The nuanced nuance was I needed to have the dropzone shortcut (the service was already turned). I also had to protect it so it would run in the background during sleep (?!?) and after that third reboot it booted the service correctly. It seems like a combo of science and mysticism. But it works & thank you!
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Let's check your energy saving level. Any level higher than lowest one makes problems with prematurely switching off apps.
Energy saving mechanizms are pretty nasty in X2. I have great issues with notifications from WhatsApp and other communicators till I switched energy saving level to the lowest.

trurl3 said:
Let's check your energy saving level. Any level higher than lowest one makes problems with prematurely switching off apps.
Energy saving mechanizms are pretty nasty in X2. I have great issues with notifications from WhatsApp and other communicators till I switched energy saving level to the lowest.
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Thank you. I have the energy savings set to "Normal" as the next level seemed to save only 5%. I'm learning something new every day. Thank you.

I'm trying to research the wonders of dropzone. The best I can find is that it allows a small set of apps to allowing floating notifications. Doesn't really explain the ability to get autoboot things to work or other magic. I'm grateful that this and some of the protected app changes are making this androud work like it should (or like other phones) . A slight more battery drain but a worthy tradeoff for tearing my hair out.

Rudolpht said:
I'm trying to research the wonders of dropzone. The best I can find is that it allows a small set of apps to allowing floating notifications. Doesn't really explain the ability to get autoboot things to work or other magic. I'm grateful that this and some of the protected app changes are making this androud work like it should (or like other phones) . A slight more battery drain but a worthy tradeoff for tearing my hair out.
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If you don't mind losing the No Disturb mode, you can delete the whole system manager app from system/app if you're rooted and you won't ever have to deal with the permission problems again.

I'm up for that. Would that kill the app lock also? Would a Titanium freeze do the same? Guess I can give it a shot.

And… it works. App Lock just as if it didn't exist. Will keep Phone Manager frozen for now. Thanks!

And it seems much faster/smoother, which is saying something since it was snappy to begin with.

Rudolpht said:
And it seems much faster/smoother, which is saying something since it was snappy to begin with.
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Yeah when it's removed it even seems like the battery lasts a little longer. It's something I wish wasn't even included as just a task manager app would have sufficed. You can always delete the PhoneDiagnose and PowerGenieEngine as well. I can also remove them from the Super Slim KangVIP ROM as well if the majority would like that. My goal is a flashable ROM with no bloat that runs fast, gets great battery life and makes it easy for everyone. In fact, I'm going to remove them from my stock debloated ROM's and the KangVIP ROM's from now on due to the fact that a lot of us are having permission issues. I'll have three ROM's for each. A stock original bloated one, a medium debloated one with most of the Chinese apps we don't use removed but all the stock apps like Email will remain and a maximum debloated ROM and all the Huawei apps that can be removed will be.

ajsmsg78 said:
Yeah when it's removed it even seems like the battery lasts a little longer. It's something I wish wasn't even included as just a task manager app would have sufficed. You can always delete the PhoneDiagnose and PowerGenieEngine as well. I can also remove them from the Super Slim KangVIP ROM as well if the majority would like that. My goal is a flashable ROM with no bloat that runs fast, gets great battery life and makes it easy for everyone. In fact, I'm going to remove them from my stock debloated ROM's and the KangVIP ROM's from now on due to the fact that a lot of us are having permission issues. I'll have three ROM's for each. A stock original bloated one, a medium debloated one with most of the Chinese apps we don't use removed but all the stock apps like Email will remain and a maximum debloated ROM and all the Huawei apps that can be removed will be.
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I really think the third option, thinnest + gaps + ROM switching would be my winner. Thanks.

I could find and freeze Power Genie 5.6.1.11 to freeze but no Phone Diagnose

Ditched (froze) Swype also

Rudolpht said:
I really think the third option, thinnest + gaps + ROM switching would be my winner. Thanks.
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I updated the thread with an Ultra Slim KangVIP and SIM switching fix.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mediapad-x2/development/rom-kangvip-5-1-1-b108-t3215851

Cool. I have transparent weather clock back working, without phone manager nonsense. This thread has really changed my X2 experience.

Rudolpht said:
That is great advice. There are still nuances about this phone I need to explore. The nuanced nuance was I needed to have the dropzone shortcut (the service was already turned). I also had to protect it so it would run in the background during sleep (?!?) and after that third reboot it booted the service correctly. It seems like a combo of science and mysticism. But it works & thank you!
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I'm having the same problem with some services at boot (I'm not rooted yet). I'm not sure I understand what you're explaining here. I created the shortcut to the dropzone and made sure everything was allowed in there. What do you mean by "I also had to protect it so it would run in the background during sleep"? (How do i do that?) Thanks!

AJ is the expert. Freezing phonemanager was easiest, but may require root. Search under settings (there is a search bar at the top) for "protect" services you can unprotect services that don't need to run in the background. Protect the ones you want to run, but they will use battery. May be in the phone manager app if not under setting

Thanks, I already tried that but I still don't get all the services to start at boot. Looks like rooting and freezing phonemanager is gonna be the only way... Thanks anyway for the help!

Killing phonemanager was the best thing that returned the X2 to an actual android-like device. There are a couple other services to freeze you can go through thread that also help.