Ok so i've looked, cant find anything to help me out here... Its always possible i used the wrong search terms but i think i did pretty good...
Anyway, i had flashed i believe a CWM version of ICS when it first came out because it was easy to do, and i was able to keep root. Well I ended up with the CWM Recovery version that had the problem of constantly booting into CWM, so i fixed that and the tablet was telling me there was a firmware update, so i did it..
Now im stuck at the splash screen... When i try to boot into Recovery, it says its loading the recovery image but never does anything else. When i tried to load the other screen where you can choose recovery or the OS, i think people call it the linux screen? I dont remember, but when i did that, the big battery meter displayed on the phone for a second then disappeared... Wont turn on now, so i just plugged it in.. Is there something im missing? Or something i can do that anyone is aware of?
Check if the Android Debug Bridge works, and is your device a B60 or lower, (sbkv1)? If so you can use NvFlash to restore the tab.
Thing O Doom said:
Check if the Android Debug Bridge works, and is your device a B60 or lower, (sbkv1)? If so you can use NvFlash to restore the tab.
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Its B90, SBKv2...
Last time i tried to boot, i tried Power+Volume Up and i saw the large battery that android phones typically show when they are powered off and you plug it in.. If i remember right, TF101 typically boots up if you plug it in when turned on, but it turned on, flashed that battery image and shut off, havent been able to turn it on since... Plugging it into my computer though, it wont turn on, plugging it into the wall outlet it turns on and sticks at the splash screen, so i'm gonna leave it there for a bit and see if it charges, then i'll try plugging it into the comp to see if ADB works... I'll let you know, thanks!
To get to recovery its power +vol down. Power + vol up gets you to apex mode, blank screen.
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.....don't know if I read all your info correct but to enter recovery is volume down + power until you get a message at the top of the screen then you let go both and press volume up to enter recovery or if you don't hit volume up it takes you to the cold boot / wipe data screen.
Yes, i posted that... I tried booting to recovery and it freezes when it says its loading the recovery image.
I was trying other combinations trying to remember the linux screen or whatever it was called, but either way. ADB mode doesnt work, im stuck at the splash screen.
SOLUTION: Do not do the update after fixing your TF101 if you have this same problem, because you'll have it again! Either way, here's what you do.
1) Since you cant shut off the TF101, hold the power button until the screen goes blank, then immediately let go of the power button and hold volume down. 2) The splash screen will re-appear, dont let go of the Volume Down button until you see the text at the top left corner of the screen prompting you to press volume up to enter recovery.
2) Dont press Volume Up since it will freeze trying to get into recovery. Instead, just wait and make sure your not holding down or pressing any buttons.
3) After a few second, you will be presented with two icons, one to wipe data and one to boot android/linux, selecting android/linux WILL work and boot, but you'll have the same issue as before without fixing anything if you reboot again. Follow the instructions to wipe your data. YOU WILL LOSE EVERYTHING!
4) At this point, Recovery still wont work. Boot your TF101 and get it setup and use the Play Store to download a terminal emulator
5) Open the terminal emulator and type SU and press enter, confirm superuser access.
6) Type in the following and press enter when done: echo boot | dd of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p3 bs=1 seek=0
7) Restart your transformer, let it boot normally the first time, after that, recovery should work.
8) Problem solved, DONT install the update this time! Install a custom ROM the typical way using CWM, and your set!
So, one thing i've noticed is im being spammed out of my mind from the OS to do that system update, so i've found that the best thing to do once your bootable, is to flash a custom ROM.
I tried this but went back to the same ICS version I had before, and ran into the same problems. Ended up with a whole other ROM, and now all problems are solved!
Good luck to anyone that has this issue!
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so you lost all data, all apps, all settings, all the effort and work and time to config apps and settings... UGH
I am in the same boat on my TF201 after the JB update bricked my tablet... really pisses me off as Asus says RMA it (which you know they will just wipe your data) or wipe the data yourself and hop it works. So badly want to salvage my app settings and all the work I did to trick out my tablet. F***** Asus, their own update fried my tablet.
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I had a working Transformer until earlier today when the OTA update came along. Having accepted installation, my device now gets to the Eee Pad / ASUS logo and hangs there (waited for about 45 minutes after the update). Trying to reboot into recovery gives:
Android WW_epad-user bootloader < e> released by "WW_epad-8.2.3.6-20110414".
Checking for android ota recovery
Booting recovery kernel image
It does not give me the Up to recovery, Down to wipe option.
Any thoughts on how I might recover the device?
Many thanks in advance for your help.
Ohh **** that dont sound good
Sorry i cant help with any advice on fixing it, apart from trying a factory reset ?
Did you apply the update with under 50% of the battery available ?
No, full. And connected to the mains.
I cant get any option to do a full wipe, it never asks me.
morak said:
No, full. And connected to the mains.
I cant get any option to do a full wipe, it never asks me.
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There are some things you can try in this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1032374
Here a few key combinations for anyone interested:
VOL_DOWN + POWER (continue holding VOL_DOWN when it starts booting until you get a prompt) = Bootloader which offers two prompted options: (1) Recovery if you press VOL_UP within 5 seconds or (2) Data wipe if you press VOL_UP later. None of these seem to offer any USB devices like fastboot etc.
VOL_UP + POWER or VOL_DOWN + VOL_UP + PLUG IN USB = NVFlash mode. It clearly is the NVFlash APX device that we see appearing, but it barfs as soon as we run any sort of nvflash on it (Many Windows and Linux versions have been tried). Please note that in this mode the screen stays completely blank and the only way to get out of it is the following option:
Hold POWER for ~10s = Forced power off. This always helps if you are stuck in some weird mode and nothing on the screen
Dont know if any of these key presses will work on yours, worth a try to get it to recover ?
Yeah I had seen that thread. Unfortunately no joy from either option. I dont get the prompt when I do VOL DOWN+POWER, just seems to go straight into recovery. And as the post says, NVflash doesn't help at the moment.
Can't even seem to get the ADB USB devices to show up, I can only get the APX device which seems to be fairly useless ATM. Looks like I may have to RMA the thing.
What is that small hole next to HDMI port? Did you try that, it may just be button (use paper pin) to reset it to factory default?
Or maybe microphone ? lol i personnaly don't think those tablets would actually have a reset button, would check the manual first before sticking a paper pin into every holes...
My Transformer just came in, I accepted the OTA update and while installing it saw this thread and had a dreadful feeling. Thankfully, it rebooted fine and is working... sounds like something's wrong with yours unfortunately OP .
If you haven't tried the 10 second power button method as mentioned in an earlier post it's definitely worth a try.
stuntdouble:
I thought the 10 sec power button thing just turned the device off. Is there something else I can do that I am missing?
I think it clears cache and/or ram too. I'm not saying it will definitely fix your problem, it may not, but if it was me I'd try everything. It won't damage anything so don't worry.
Have you tried getting into the Clockwork mod recovery? You need to place it on an external microsd and when you do the holding down when switching on thing, it goes into the recovery on the card instead of the stock one. It might allow you to flash a rom to get it running again.
You can find the Clockwork recovery with instructions here
http://android.modaco.com/content/a...od-recovery-for-the-asus-eee-pad-transformer/
Good idea, unfortunately it didnt work. It doesnt appear to be allowing me to get to the point where it will read EP101_SDUPDATE.zip from the SD.
You sure filename is EP101? Shouldnt it be TF?
All the instructions call for EP101, but I tried TF too just in case!
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What is that small hole next to HDMI port? Did you try that, it may just be button (use paper pin) to reset it to factory default?
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It's a microphone. If you go poking a paperclip in there, good luck claiming under warranty.
Same thing just happened to me... reboot for update, stuck at boot screen.
Not sure if we can find a EP101_SDUPDATE.zip for higher than 20110414 if that'd be a fix or what... or even a PC restore process.
hecatomb said:
Same thing just happened to me... reboot for update, stuck at boot screen.
Not sure if we can find a EP101_SDUPDATE.zip for higher than 20110414 if that'd be a fix or what... or even a PC restore process.
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sonofab*tch same here. You would think they would warn people that this could happen. This is ridiculous. Their worthless phone tech kept traying to get me to hold f9. I wanted to reach through the phone and punch him.
So you are getting bricked units with stock? No modications or rooted devices?
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So you are getting bricked units with stock? No modications or rooted devices?
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Root doesnt work on the US devices, also, OP hadnt rooted.
My phone is currently sitting with a "S/W upgrade" screen after a series of stupid events. I flashed recovery using ROM Manager before I had read that it fake flashed. I rebooted into recovery and installed CM7 nightly. Rebooted and it's stuck in a boot loop. So I finally see all the warnings against that so I figure I need to get a real recovery so I use the awesome guide from TGA_Gunnman. I follow all the instructions and it appears from the log on my PC that the CM recovery flashed successfully. I pull the cord, reinsert my battery and my phone just sits in the S/W upgrade screen. It's been like that for 30 minutes now.
What do I do?
I thought I'd done something wrong with my G2x because that happened to me too. Remove your battery and USB. Then insert your battery again. When you turn it on, make sure to hold both the power button and the volume down button until you see text that says android. If you, like me, thought you just had to hold the volume down and tap the power button (like my Nexus One), that might be your issue.
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just disconnect usb, and go to recovery Power+vol down...
.....and congrats !
yep, I thought I bricked it too.. When you were done at the green screen where it said press any button, thats where you press whatever you want and then unplug the cord. Then, put the battery back in and hold down vol then power, don't let go until "android" pops up.. You did it man, just missing your last step..
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I can get to the Recovery screen, but I cant select any of the options....volume lets me scroll, but cant find anything to select any of the options....kinda new at this
power button to 'action' your selection... at least it works for me.
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My phone is currently sitting with a "S/W upgrade" screen after a series of stupid events. I flashed recovery using ROM Manager before I had read that it fake flashed. I rebooted into recovery and installed CM7 nightly. Rebooted and it's stuck in a boot loop. So I finally see all the warnings against that so I figure I need to get a real recovery so I use the awesome guide from TGA_Gunnman. I follow all the instructions and it appears from the log on my PC that the CM recovery flashed successfully. I pull the cord, reinsert my battery and my phone just sits in the S/W upgrade screen. It's been like that for 30 minutes now.
What do I do?
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The "S/W upgrade" stays on, that's normal. See if your terminal window has completed whatever stuff it is doing. If you get a completed message, you are good to go and can safely pull out the USB chord even if your phone still says "S/W upgrade". Put back your battery and hold Power+Vol DOWN button and see if you get into cmw recovery.
so im trying to fix my friends phone and this is weird..
im able to go to cwm, wipe it all and flash a new rom.. it flashess successfully but when i reboot it goes back to the s/w update screen..it happens with any rom i flash.. its been sitting there for a while.. how long should i wait?
Once you flash the ROM you shouldn't be getting that screen...Does your friend has the G2x or 2x and which ROM did you flash?
Sounds like you screwed up the boot image. Go into APX mode again and reflash the recovery package making sure it completes, you hit a key to close the terminal window, and you hold the volume buttons the entire time. Then go into recovery and factory reset and clear the Dalvik cache. Then if you still get the S/W update screen you are going to need to go to the thread about fixing bricked phones and use the KDZ method to reflash the entire GB OTA package. There is also a new method to reinstall the entire OTA package using NVFlash but you have to hold the volume buttons down for about ten to fifteen minutes while everything flashes.
I have flashed the CWM from TF201 by accident. Now the tablet is stuck in that CWM mode. I can't connect to usb using adb mode. Power+volume down does not work anymore. Any way I can reflash the correct CWM?
THanks
If you can boot to OS - you can use fastboot to flash any recovery.. or flash TWRP from goomanager.
upd: sry..don't see about "stuck".
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I have flashed the CWM from TF201 by accident. Now the tablet is stuck in that CWM mode. I can't connect to usb using adb mode. Power+volume down does not work anymore. Any way I can reflash the correct CWM?
THanks
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I have made the same mistake. Although I can get the device to fastboot USB mode. I have tried to use CWM with the restore I made before I put in Cyanogenmod 9, as well as putting on the Cyanogenmod experimental #2 for TF300. No error messages at all and it wipes data and cash without any problems.
But I get locked on the Asus boot screen and it does not continue ie I am stuck as well.
I have as well tried to use the TWRP 2.1.5. I get the Teamwin loggo screen, it wipes all the data and verifies all the filesystems and reboots. Still stuck.
Is the device bricked ?
upd:The TF300 can not be shutoff either. When you hold the power button the screen goes black, but after ~5 s the device is starting again and is still stuck on the Asus bootup screen.
if you reboot it holding vol down and power, can you get back into the boot menu, to reselect fastboot?
if holding the power button doesn't switch it off, what happens if you leave it to run out of batteries then do this?
then you can flash the correct recovery.img
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if you reboot it holding vol down and power, can you get back into the boot menu, to reselect fastboot?
if holding the power button doesn't switch it off, what happens if you leave it to run out of batteries then do this?
then you can flash the correct recovery.img
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Yes, I can get access to the fastboot and I have already tried to flash with the recovery.img. I have as well let the battery run out and tried it once more with the same result.
Still stuck on the asus bootup screen.
power
Hare,
I have same problem.tab cannot power off. Just reboots into cwm.
I was thinking to drain bat. Thanks for sharing that info.
There are a lot of topics about people who broke their devices with TF201's recovery.
Afaik, no one recovered it. Send to Asus.
So the device is bricked then :'(.
Thanks for clearing it up.
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RMA..
Guillaume,
Thanks for clarification.
I have read that ASUS wants 700USD for replacing/reflashing the bootloader. That was for the tf201. Any way to nvflash it back to factory? I don't believe that they have to change the MB.
I have no warranty left, but I don't want to be gouged by them either.
Any thoughts, info?
Hi,
I've do the same mistake, but I can use adb.
Do youhave any news about our problem?
Thanks
Midyr
unable to power off
My issue is that I have the CWM for the tf201. I did the update from the CWM app in Android. Bad idea. So now the tab does not power off s.t. I can get into the power+vol down mode. Adb does not work since I cannot ( don't know how) to make it go into the usb debugging mode. I have tried several things none of which have worked. Still stuck.
I wanted some feedback for a RMA from ASUS, posted it here but sor far no answers.
Not sure if it would really work, but on my Evo, I don't have to completely power off the phone to do the recovery sequence. I can do it during a normal reboot. There is a point just before the device starts booting again where it is technically "off", and if I hold volume down (don't even have to hold power on my Evo; volume down seems to be the only necessary button) starting at this point, the phone will boot into the bootloader.
So, next time the device reboots, just start holding volume down (possibly power also, just in case) at the "off" point.
So, been running CM10 for a long time on tab. Decided to go back to stock, and downloaded the JB stock rom. Flashed via ODIN. Everything seemed to go OK, except that after the flash the screen went black for ages, and didn't reboot. So I hard powered it off. Probably what did it, but it wasn't going anywhere for about 15 minutes, so figured it was the next step.
Now, I get the battery charging icon. The system goes through the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 white logo, the swirling then glowing Samsung logo, and then loops through that forever.
It wouldn't be such a problem if I could back into ODIN and do another flash, but I can't get into download mode (normally I do it via adb but that isn't working since there is no USB connection at all). Tried all combinations, power/up, power/down etc. It just boot loops as above. I'm pretty sure I bricked it, but just wanted some confirmation.
Been doing this on and off for a long time, and it's the first time I've ever got stuck like this.
Thanks in advance.
Plug USB charger, your device will boot into charge mode. From charge mode you can boot into recovery by keep holding VOLUME UP button and than press POWER button. Clear data and cache in recovery, reboot.
ketut.kumajaya said:
Plug USB charger, your device will boot into charge mode. From charge mode you can boot into recovery by keep holding VOLUME UP button and than press POWER button. Clear data and cache in recovery, reboot.
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Thanks, but I tried all combinations of Power/Volume UP and Power/Volume DOWN, it just goes through a normal boot cycle until it starts looping.
I guess it's possible I'm not using the right timing. I'm assuming that you hold Volume UP or DOWN and then press and hold Power until the screen goes black, and then release? I've done it like that many times, and also continued to hold everything down as the logo appears, and then system goes back to the battery charging icon as if it powers off again. I sound like such a noob when I type stuff like that!
I saw ODIN successfully write system.img, boot.img, and recovery.img, so I'm thinking any CWM recovery I had on there is toast.
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Thanks, but I tried all combinations of Power/Volume UP and Power/Volume DOWN, it just goes through a normal boot cycle until it starts looping.
I guess it's possible I'm not using the right timing. I'm assuming that you hold Volume UP or DOWN and then press and hold Power until the screen goes black, and then release? I've done it like that many times, and also continued to hold everything down as the logo appears, and then system goes back to the battery charging icon as if it powers off again. I sound like such a noob when I type stuff like that!
I saw ODIN successfully write system.img, boot.img, and recovery.img, so I'm thinking any CWM recovery I had on there is toast.
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You must pull usb cable before start.
You can try to re-flash.
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You must pull usb cable before start.
You can try to re-flash.
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Well, don't I feel like the idiot!
How did I not think to disconnect the USB before trying this? tuxafgmur, your first "Thanks" has been registered, I've got it from here!
P.S. Welcome to the forum!
it sounds strange. never heard of such a strange boot problem. anyway it could be that while transferring boot.img it became damaged due to some error. i know you probably tryed but you may try and connect it to linux or mac os x in order to check if you could retrive more data about the tab. for example the mac could find if it is totally corrupted. normally when i plug my samsung devices it ask me to add the samsung-modem also if they are turned off. meybe if it happens the same to you you can try to adb fastboot it also if i doubt myself about it working, but give it a shot
i hope my bad english is not preventing you to understand what i'm saying!
give us new feedback!
Running CM 10.1, 06/08 Nightly
I did search the threads and google, but could not find any posts about a phone that works normally except for download and recovery.
Problems:
1. Can't boot into recovery (via apps, power menu, or manually). It gets to the boot logo, and then blank screen and resets. It will keep resetting trying to go into recovery (a battery pull will put it back to normal).
2. Can't stay in download mode. When I put the phone in download mode, it turns off after a couple seconds. I can't ODIN it if it keeps turning off.
3. Power button doesn't work properly (sometimes it works, most of the times it doesn't). Example: I press the power button to close the screen. No response. A few minutes later I might press it, and the screen will close, but come back on and this time with power menu. I took out the button to verify that it wasn't stuck, and tried pressing the actual button inside the phone with the stick. I can feel it click, but it still has the same problems. Pretty sure it's not a stuck button.
What's working:
-Everything else. If I let the phone boot normally, it loads perfectly fine and into cyanogenmod. No issues with voice/data, any apps, or instability. No battery issue. No lag. No crashes. The only issue is with the power button, and my inability to boot into recovery or go into download mode.
History:
-I was experiencing a random reboot problem (and power button issue) from an earlier nightly, and I waited a couple months for a more stable version. The CWM recovery for some reason only worked sometimes. When I did get it to work, I flashed RC5 (format and wipe data, dalvik, cache, factory reset, etc.), which fixed my reboot problem, but not my power button.
-I came across this thread: at plus.google(.com)104277415207525128383/posts/iAVpVPYqMtM and updated the radio, even though the RC5 fixed my random reboot.
-I did try flashing CWM, TWRP, and Stock recoveries (the latest ones, and from CWM/EZ recovery apps), but have not tried CWM Touch. It doesn't seem to matter, it won't boot into recovery.
Perceived Solution:
-I have a plan with Best Buy - I am considering smashing the phone and getting it replaced with a refurb, but would like to avoid that if possible.
Anyone have any ideas? I am okay with the phone as is, but I would like to be able to update CM or to another ROM in the future
Thanks for helping me out!
Can you get into recovey just long enough to do a system wipe?
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DarkMenace said:
Can you get into recovey just long enough to do a system wipe?
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Thanks for responding; It doesn't boot into recovery at all. Right after holding Vol. Up, Menu + Power, I get the screen with the small text in the corner, so you know it's going to enter recovery. Then the logo appears, except after that the phone either hangs with a blank screen, shuts off, or resets itself.
I think something got corrupted, but I'm not sure how to find out what, or what steps I could take to fix it.
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Thanks for responding; It doesn't boot into recovery at all. Right after holding Vol. Up, Menu + Power, I get the screen with the small text in the corner, so you know it's going to enter recovery. Then the logo appears, except after that the phone either hangs with a blank screen, shuts off, or resets itself.
I think something got corrupted, but I'm not sure how to find out what, or what steps I could take to fix it.
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Unfortunately if you can't get into the recovery mode or the Odin mode then you would need to replace the phone. It's bricked.
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Unfortunately if you can't get into the recovery mode or the Odin mode then you would need to replace the phone. It's bricked.
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Thanks for the response.
Yeah, that's what I thought. I've never really heard or seen someone with a "functionally bricked" phone, so I'm not sure what to do.
Before I go ahead and smash it for the insurance replacement, I want to see if anyone else has any ideas..
Like I said, the phone boots normally just fine. Is there some kind of app that can flash files? Or maybe some commands I can enter in the terminal emulator?
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Thanks for the response.
Yeah, that's what I thought. I've never really heard or seen someone with a "functionally bricked" phone, so I'm not sure what to do.
Before I go ahead and smash it for the insurance replacement, I want to see if anyone else has any ideas..
Like I said, the phone boots normally just fine. Is there some kind of app that can flash files? Or maybe some commands I can enter in the terminal emulator?
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Have you tried Odin Mobile Pro? I've never used it myself, but I've heard a lot of good things about from some friends.
It sounds to me like a faulty power button, it isn't hardbricked because your phone is able to boot into recovery and download mode. But If for some reason your power button is stuck in the on position, it will skip booting into recovery and eventually boot out of download mode. Just because the power button physically moves and clicks doesn't mean it can't get stuck, there's obviously something funny going on with it that isn't rom/kernel regulated.
You can try terminal emulator to see if it will work, but I honestly wouldn't do anything in any menu because your phone has the potential to reboot during a process and destroy your phone. Commands are:
su
reboot recovery
su
reboot download
If it's a power button issue, best buy should replace it anyways, you shouldn't have to smash it. Samsung will also fix it under your manufacturer warranty despite it being rooted.
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Thanks for responding, guys
rellomar said:
Have you tried Odin Mobile Pro? I've never used it myself, but I've heard a lot of good things about from some friends.
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Yes, I did. This brings me back into download mode, at which the phone just turns off.
BadUsername said:
It sounds to me like a faulty power button, it isn't hardbricked because your phone is able to boot into recovery and download mode. But If for some reason your power button is stuck in the on position, it will skip booting into recovery and eventually boot out of download mode. Just because the power button physically moves and clicks doesn't mean it can't get stuck, there's obviously something funny going on with it that isn't rom/kernel regulated.
You can try terminal emulator to see if it will work, but I honestly wouldn't do anything in any menu because your phone has the potential to reboot during a process and destroy your phone. Commands are:
su
reboot recovery
su
reboot download
If it's a power button issue, best buy should replace it anyways, you shouldn't have to smash it. Samsung will also fix it under your manufacturer warranty despite it being rooted.
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Thanks for the commands; they ended up just shutting the phone off.
Yeah, I did ponder the idea that even though the power button "clicked," it might not necessarily be working. I google searched "galaxy s 3 broken power button" and there was a video with a description where the guy mentioned something about the circuit always being switched "on"
But his phone experienced different symptoms than mine (because the circuit was always switched on, the phone actually restarted itself while in normal operation. This hasn't happened to me).
Is there an app for me to definitely determine which buttons are being registered as they are pressed? Similar to programs that tell you what buttons you're pressing on your keyboard.
I would take it back to Best Buy, but I just don't want to give them any reason to say it was my own fault since I rooted and put a custom ROM on it.
Haha, I'll dunk it in salt water in favor of smashing it
Thanks again for your suggestions and ideas :cyclops: