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i've read the other threads about people not wanting to talk about it because thieves who steal phones change imei numbers to bypass an imei block when you report the phone stolen.
Well the reason for this imei "spoofing" would be for the ATT customers. They force smartphone/iphone users into having to pay for a data plan. That's 25 bucks for 2 gigs and $10 more for any gig over. Forget tethering and all that. The people who had unllimited data plans BEFORe this was enacted STILL have unlimited data to tether and watch videos all they want on their smartphones WITHOUT a 2 gb cap.
Solution? Here's what i've come up with (a theory/model).
A rom (like clockwork ) could implement a imei spoofer at boottime. You can only put in one imei number to change it to at the time of installation of the clockwork mod. It would be locked down though so you can only switch it back to the real one or that other one. So if you uninstall/reinstal/wipe the phone you can't change the imei again.
That one imei number that you put in should be an older phone you have (nokias, lg shine, aka anything that ISNT a smartphone). Everyone has older phones lying around before you upgraded to a smartphone. Just use that one and either destroy the phone or just make sure no sim goes into the dumbphone imei your using. Then you can get the original medianet unlimited available to non smartphones
What do you think of this?
also as of now im thinking of just getting the 200 mb , turning off all data connections (power control widget) permanently and just use wifi. ATT won't let you actually turn off the data plan (thus another need for this imei spoofing/changing)
I think it is absolute nonsense. Honestly..
RunTimeWorld said:
I think it is absolute nonsense. Honestly..
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nah.. the whole goal is to get ATT to switch their plans. Tmobile, verizon, everyone else has a real unlimited plan. PErhaps just limit the iphone users if its really a network problem.
Since they don't want to offer unlimited internet, this would be the only way to. People would do it the same reason they jailbreak iphones, root androids, etc.
also note:
"The new top-ranging data plan is called DataPro and gives users a monthly cap of 2GB for $25/month. Once customers fly past their monthly cap, AT&T will charge an additional $10 for another gigabyte of data. For example, if a customer uses 2.01GB of data, you'll be charged $35."
Have you ever considered the possibility that you might jeopardize someone else's profile by using his IMEI ?
RunTimeWorld said:
Have you ever considered the possibility that you might jeopardize someone else's profile by using his IMEI ?
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No because You are supposed to use only imei's you own. Old phones in shoe boxes, closets, etc. I dunno about you guys, but my mom/dad/myself/others i know have always had old backup phones or phones they just keep in boxes when they get others. In fact I have a couple blackberries, palm treo 600/650, nokias, lgs & the such lieing around now.
Just like macchanger on linux allows you to change your mac, a imei changer at boot time could switch to that one so you could save money on your bill (regain the ability to disable all att internet instead of being FORCED to pay for internet if you have a smartphone... or just pay for unlimited)
Both options IMHO are better than the 200 mb cap, and 2 gb cap they offer
I see.. well in that case i misunderstood. There's a good IMEI tool on berryreview for these purporses.. but still.. not a big fan about the idea.. however, it should work
RunTimeWorld said:
I see.. well in that case i misunderstood. There's a good IMEI tool on berryreview for these purporses.. but still.. not a big fan about the idea.. however, it should work
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I thought it was illegal to do that, but will this let an android work on regular plans?
It is illegal as far as i know, since you violate the contract you made to a certain IMEI.
Plus not everything that is illegal is negative - sometimes there is nothing but a protection for consumers behind.
baalpeteor said:
No because You are supposed to use only imei's you own. Old phones in shoe boxes, closets, etc. I dunno about you guys, but my mom/dad/myself/others i know have always had old backup phones or phones they just keep in boxes when they get others. In fact I have a couple blackberries, palm treo 600/650, nokias, lgs & the such lieing around now.
Just like macchanger on linux allows you to change your mac, a imei changer at boot time could switch to that one so you could save money on your bill (regain the ability to disable all att internet instead of being FORCED to pay for internet if you have a smartphone... or just pay for unlimited)
Both options IMHO are better than the 200 mb cap, and 2 gb cap they offer
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If you can afford so many devices, you might be able to pay for a decent plan too.. that's an advice with good intention..
Let me kn ow if anything comes of this as I am interested in hobnobbing this IM3I trickster. I have an older samsung Eternity that I have wanted to test and switch IM3I numbers with my Captivate.
Another thing that i was looking into but never went anywhere was ROMing a Galaxy S so it would work WITHOUT a SIM card. simply using the WIFI only "off the grid"
It does not seem too impossible at all and I dont understand whay this is not been looked into.
I cant run my Captivate without a SIM or I get major NAGing
I'm affraid you'd have to google yourself, since I don't want to put myself into trouble.
But there are tons of tools for that out there...
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If you can afford so many devices, you might be able to pay for a decent plan too.. that's an advice with good intention..
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Yeah. The one I have now is an aria though (they were giving them away free in exchange for a 2 year extension). I should have done my research first about ATT's new policies. Sure 2 gb isnt the end of the world, but I would love the ability to choose no internet at all. That way I can just use wifi. Since I am forced into paying for some kind, I would love to pay for unlimited so I can tether or use it however way I want. They charge $20 or $25 on top of the original $25 to tether (so 45-50 bucks) and you still have the same 2gb cap. nomore bandwidth although you paid 20-25 bucks more. That is not right.
I will check that app out. If push comes to shove though, I will just keep the 2 gb and just keep data off (thanks to cyanogen!) and just use wifi. the $25 for the 2 gb is less than the $30 I paid for unlimited on a normal phone (which they just removed 2 days ago when it sensed the aria)
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Yeah. The one I have now is an aria though (they were giving them away free in exchange for a 2 year extension). I should have done my research first about ATT's new policies. Sure 2 gb isnt the end of the world, but I would love the ability to choose no internet at all. That way I can just use wifi. Since I am forced into paying for some kind, I would love to pay for unlimited so I can tether or use it however way I want. They charge $20 or $25 on top of the original $25 to tether (so 45-50 bucks) and you still have the same 2gb cap. nomore bandwidth although you paid 20-25 bucks more. That is not right.
I will check that app out. If push comes to shove though, I will just keep the 2 gb and just keep data off (thanks to cyanogen!) and just use wifi. the $25 for the 2 gb is less than the $30 I paid for unlimited on a normal phone (which they just removed 2 days ago when it sensed the aria)
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I had a Blackberry Bold with the original $30 unlimited data plan before I got my Captivate. After I got the Captivate I just had to call up AT&T and they transferred the plan to my Captivate's IMEI number with no problem.
The reason I'm researching this is for when I get my Motorola Atrix next month. I'm going to transfer my unlimited plan to the Atrix's IMEI number but change the IMEI on my Captivate to the Atrix's IMEI number also. That way when I use the Captivate as a backup phone I would just move my SIM card over and not have any data network problems.
yahooserious said:
Another thing that i was looking into but never went anywhere was ROMing a Galaxy S so it would work WITHOUT a SIM card. simply using the WIFI only "off the grid"
It does not seem too impossible at all and I dont understand whay this is not been looked into.
I cant run my Captivate without a SIM or I get major NAGing
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Couldn't you blacklist or rmmod whatever kernel driver module operates the SIM card?
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If you can afford so many devices, you might be able to pay for a decent plan too.. that's an advice with good intention..
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That was such a stupid remark. Please don't talk unless u think. So ur saying if I have an old Motorola flip phone and own a couple phones from 1995 that I should be able to afford a $60+ plan?? Some people amaze me with their stupidity.
From the Tab.
www.twitter.com/ayman07
So, if I were to switch the imei and device id I could name T-Mobile think I'm using my old note 5? My kid broke his and I can't get it replaced because it's now been too long. If I can change the s4 and spoof the note 5 for a day I can get it replaced. Would this work?
So anyone understand what this article is talking about?
http://www.softwaredownloadsguide.com/2011/02/htc-inspire-4g-htc-inspire-4g-on-att-release-date/
Here is the part I am curious about:
AT&T will charge monthly data plans for the HTC Inspire 4G will price $15 for 200MB of data and $25 per month for 2GB data plan. Data can be use through Hotspot capacity from Datapro Tethering plan for the user data allowance. HTC Inspire 4G will be available on AT&T stores and online from 13th February at price $99.99 with two years contract.
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So does this mean that people with unlimited plans at $30 a month should be ok to tether their laptops via wifi?
No, you need a data pro plan with tethering. $45 for 4gb of data.
so i wonder if there will be a way around that cause i currently have a unlimited data plan and really don't want to pay for the tethering plan (have been using WMWifirouter for WM 6.5). Any ideas to help me out being a cheepskate!?
darkbluexplorer said:
so i wonder if there will be a way around that cause i currently have a unlimited data plan and really don't want to pay for the tethering plan (have been using WMWifirouter for WM 6.5). Any ideas to help me out being a cheepskate!?
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PDA.Net is an option since you have an unlimited plan.
once we get root (assuming we do) are there other tethering options (you will have to pardon me as i am still new to android). When i did searches there is some material on the subject but from what i understand the phone has to be rooted for these to work.
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once we get root (assuming we do) are there other wifi tethering options (you will have to pardon me as i am still new to android). When i did searches there is some material on the subject but from what i understand the phone has to be rooted for these to work.
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Yes once you root your phone you will have other options to choose from such as Android Wifi tether.
thanks.. now if the predictions continue at the same rate of what i continue to read the phone will be rooted before i ever get it home from the store
PDA.net is wired tethering, not a wifi hotspot
Ya I have the $30 unlimited data with AT&T. Using the HD2 Australian version (android OS) I am able to use the Wi-Fi Hotspot app, only problem is where I live they don't use 850 for 3G so I only have EDGE. I am really looking forward to what can be done with the Inspire, because having such an amazing phone kind of sucks with such slow data speeds.
This is something I am very interested in also. I am assuming the wifi tethering that ATT is talking about it the MobileAP that is already present on damn near every 2.2 rom. I heard that they are going to have a setting that will let ATT control whether your INSPIRE 4g will be able to use this feature. I am on the unlimited plan now with my craptivate and was just thinking about buying it off contract and dropping my sim in. does anyone think that this might be an issue?
My only worry is that ATT tries to screw you in almost every way possible if they think they can make more money off you. Technically we shouldn't have to pay for tethering IMHO we are already paying for the data why should it matter how or on what device we use it on??
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This is something I am very interested in also. I am assuming the wifi tethering that ATT is talking about it the MobileAP that is already present on damn near every 2.2 rom. I heard that they are going to have a setting that will let ATT control whether your INSPIRE 4g will be able to use this feature. I am on the unlimited plan now with my craptivate and was just thinking about buying it off contract and dropping my sim in. does anyone think that this might be an issue?
My only worry is that ATT tries to screw you in almost every way possible if they think they can make more money off you. Technically we shouldn't have to pay for tethering IMHO we are already paying for the data why should it matter how or on what device we use it on??
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I agree, although it seems like once they get it rooted we will be able to put our own tethering app on it and avoid having to pay for a ridiculous plan. I used WMWiFi Router on my incite and HTC's tethering on the windows mobile HD2 and now the WiFi Hotspot app on Android on the HD2 all on ATT with an unlimited data plan without tethering.
Hey guys I just wanted to ask one question before I actually buy the desire hd. When i got my Tilt 2 one year ago, I told them I didnt want a data plan and they told me it was ok because i have been a customer for 5 years. So question is are they going to force me to get a data plan when i get the desire hd. thanks in advance.
you cannot get it without the data plan, this is ATT's policy now. that said, android OS works much differently, and not having a data plan would probably not work simply because of the way android OS works. you can try it though, curious to hear results...
from what i was told in the past, if you get a cool rep at the store, which i have come across in my area.
You can get them to cancel the data plan after the first month.
epicKA8 said:
from what i was told in the past, if you get a cool rep at the store, which i have come across in my area.
You can get them to cancel the data plan after the first month.
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This is NOT the case anymore. If you get a smartphone on AT&T, you are required to get a dataplan. End Of Story.
If you don't want a data plan, the question you should ask yourself is (unless you have WiFi to connect to all the time) do you really need a smartphone?
epicKA8 said:
from what i was told in the past, if you get a cool rep at the store, which i have come across in my area.
You can get them to cancel the data plan after the first month.
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Once that person makes their first phone call with their phone, the network registers their IMEI and puts them on the correct data plan.
Nice try though.
The ATT policy aside, because android uses data for so much, I doubt you could even set up the phone unless near WiFi. When out and about away from WiFi, so many parts of the OS reach out for data that it would be very different than what one might realize. It's not like the old windows mobile days where data can just be shut off. But this is why I'm curious to see the results though.
I called att support and they can block data on your line so you never get any data ever, you could turn off data plan that way
Hypnopottamus said:
This is NOT the case anymore. If you get a smartphone on AT&T, you are required to get a dataplan. End Of Story.
If you don't want a data plan, the question you should ask yourself is (unless you have WiFi to connect to all the time) do you really need a smartphone?
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really? i was told this when i got my phone from my guy who works at the store. you sign up, the must, but after teh first month they can remove it.
Sportsguy15 said:
Once that person makes their first phone call with their phone, the network registers their IMEI and puts them on the correct data plan.
Nice try though.
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only if you don't unlock it
epicKA8 said:
really? i was told this when i got my phone from my guy who works at the store. you sign up, the must, but after teh first month they can remove it.
only if you don't unlock it
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If you unlock it, what trick is there to fake the imei? I haven't heard of any yet on android and I looked thru the source code and all to try compiling a kernel to do so. Curious what method you know of!
2 things, you can't drop a data plan as far as i know with at&t, they are changing stuff every week right now however trying to get some sort of edge it seems.
I turned on an old tilt this past week for my kid and they no longer require a data plan it seems on older PDA's. It was a ridiculous rule. So i have data blocked on it and he uses the wifi. Finally one tiny issue solved.
More good news.. (remember you get a different answer with every rep)
I was able to turn on the 2gig plan for 25 instead of the normal $30 its been.
And i was told i can turn on a 4 gig plan now for 40 with 250mb roll overs @ 15$ per.
This is news to me ive only seen the 200mb and the 2 gb plan up till now. Tmobi is like 5 gb a month (unlimited) so its nice to see this (since i swear the 4g is eating up data on me)
I've heard from my aunt, who "worked" for att, that if you were grandfathered in, since the old days where you didn't need a Data plan for a Smartphone, you can still get one without a plan. (I remember my first WM Smartphone was bought this way)
You just have to be sure to specify this point, that you are Grandfathered in.
Since she knows this, Her Son, bought a BlackBerry for his daughter, and insisted on no Data plan, the Rep. allowed it because he was Grandfathered in.
I intend to Buy an Inspire, later this week, using my Mom's upgrade; she actually uses a Blackberry, without a Data Plan too! ;D
It should work the same, my dad says we should be Great-Grandfathered in, cause we were there when it was still Cingular and the First $10.00 Unlimited Data Plans came out.
As far as I know it doesn't work that way. You are already grandfathered in because they are allowing you to use a smart phone without data. But as soon as you get a new phone you will automatically be forced to upgrade to a data plan. My wife tried the same thing, she had a blackberry with no data but when she got a new phone they automatically gave her a data plan.
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2 things, you can't drop a data plan as far as i know with at&t, they are changing stuff every week right now however trying to get some sort of edge it seems.
I turned on an old tilt this past week for my kid and they no longer require a data plan it seems on older PDA's. It was a ridiculous rule. So i have data blocked on it and he uses the wifi. Finally one tiny issue solved.
More good news.. (remember you get a different answer with every rep)
I was able to turn on the 2gig plan for 25 instead of the normal $30 its been.
And i was told i can turn on a 4 gig plan now for 40 with 250mb roll overs @ 15$ per.
This is news to me ive only seen the 200mb and the 2 gb plan up till now. Tmobi is like 5 gb a month (unlimited) so its nice to see this (since i swear the 4g is eating up data on me)
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where were you able to do this?
aeneas3 said:
where were you able to do this?
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The 2GB data plan has always been $25. The unlimited data plan is $30.
I use my Touch Pro 2 to share internet with my laptop and I dont pay any extra for it with my current t-mobile plan. I avg about 200-250kb per second downloads (pretty decent) and when teathered with my gaming pc I play Battleground Europe online and get an avg ping time of 150ms so its great but t-mobile is telling me I will have to pay an additional $15 per month to teather with the G2x which I dont want to do since I dont have to now for internet. I'm using a custom Energy Windows Mobile 6.5 rom currently and it also works great with bluetooth internet sharing so I dont even need to teather using my bluetooth adapter on my laptop. Is there anyway to have the same data teathering with the G2x without having to pay the extra $15 per month to t-mobile? Is this just a matter of installing the necessary applications to make that work as it does on my Touch Pro 2?
Not sure this adds too much to the conversation but I had been able to tether with my Vibrant for free until a couple weeks ago when I got a text advising I would need to purchase the plan, the next time I tethered it blocked tethering, I think this is happnening to all ther phones now that they offer a tethering plan. Would be interested in hearing if there is a work around though, I may use mine 1x a month for a limited amount of data so I can't justify the extra $15.
I did some searching and found this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=840539&highlight=t-mobile+teather&page=15
Sorry should have searched before posting. Plenty of information on this issue. But since I am eyeballing the G2x as my next phone and have very little experience with Android phones I would like to know if anyone that has this phone is teathering with it with no issues and of course not paying the additional $15 fee.
from what i have found is if you use the default tethering in the options you will see this happen. I have been using the Wifi Tether app http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/ and have yet to see a problem. I used with my N1 as well as with my G2X right now and haven't got a text yet.
I've been tethering for the past year using Easy Tether with no problems. If they end up catching me I'll just do one of the many work arounds.
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Good to know. Thanks for the info.
I think it's extra just for Tethering. I think HotSpot is included with Data plan. At least that's what the T-Mobile Website says.
So I use my Nexus S for mostly data and have a WiFi network available to me 90% of the time so I just want data for the other 10% (so 2gigs per month should be plenty). I don't use a ton of min per month and want to port my number to google voice. I DON'T want to pay for minutes/texts through tmobile anymore.
I went to a tmobile store and looked at the hotspot devices they sell and found out they do have a sim card. Tmobile just sets it up to be data only which the won't do for phones. Anyway I'm tempted to buy a hotspot and just put the sim into my phone.
Anyway I was wondering if anyone has tried this on tmobile or any other national carrier? I'm not on contract and am willing to switch if I have to.
I went to tmobile and told them I had a galaxy tab I wanted a data sim for. They were skeptical but sold me a 1gb prepaid one for $30. I got home and stuck it in my NS and am not having any luck getting data connectivity.
I tried editing the build prop to be a galaxy tab but I don't really know what I can and can't change safely or if there is any other modification I can make. I'll try just about anything if anyone has any ideas?
Why don't u try T mobile new 30 dollar plan. You get unlimited text and web with 100 talk mins.
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Riyanweb said:
Why don't u try T mobile new 30 dollar plan. You get unlimited text and web with 100 talk mins.
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Dammit. When did they start this?
texting is so expensive... :/ There are apps like text4free which offer free texting.
All you need is data.
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