Why hasn't the international xl been released? The AT&T variant passed FCC like a month ago and is supposedly being released May 7th. The international phones are supposed to come out long before major carriers in the US -- taking forever!
maybe a shortage of kraits? there was that...
maybe because there is already an int one x...
I've heard that the international One XL does not work well with AT&T because it is not "optimized". Does anyone know:
1) what "optimized for AT&T means
2) is this something that could be fixed through a custom ROM or by flashing the AT&T radio?
paulsalem said:
I've heard that the international One XL does not work well with AT&T because it is not "optimized". Does anyone know:
1) what "optimized for AT&T means
2) is this something that could be fixed through a custom ROM or by flashing the AT&T radio?
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Optimized meaning the band frequencies are not compatible for at&t's frequencies. Which doesn't really make sense considering the international version would be a gsm phone as well and would most likely be using the same 3 bands as at&t does. It can't be fixed by flashing a radio because it's hardwired into the phone. I was going to buy the unlocked international xl to use on Simple Mobile's network here in the US. Now I'm finding nothing on the international xl other than just it saying at&t's xl is being released in late april-early may.
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Optimized meaning the band frequencies are not compatible for at&t's frequencies. Which doesn't really make sense considering the international version would be a gsm phone as well and would most likely be using the same 3 bands as at&t does.
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That doesn't seem correct. Notice below the 3G works, but it's spotty.
HTC sent us the international version of the One X. Though it functions on AT&T's 3G network, it has not been optimized for AT&T's network (or any U.S. network at the moment). In my time with the device, I saw erratic network performance. It found AT&T's network everywhere I took it, but dropped the connection often. Browsing performance was inconsistent, as was the ability to place phone calls. This is likely a direct result of international version's lack of optimization for AT&T. Phone Scoop will also review the AT&T version of this device, so don't place much importance on our assessment of this internationally-banded device.
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http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10166&p=4925
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That doesn't seem correct. Notice below the 3G works, but it's spotty.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10166&p=4925
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Thanks for posting. That's good to know, as I was (slightly) considering the international version, and using it on AT&T. Primarily due to the increased storage, and also on the notion that LTE sucks for battery life (but still waffling on this point, and will likely go for an LTE device);.
Article sounds like it was written by somebody that actually does not know much about cell phones; as the terminology "not optimized" is conveniently vague.
I'm certainly no expert either. But if its got the right band compatibility, I don't see what could be the problem. The AT&T version will likely have an AT&T specific radio, but I don't see this making all that much a difference. I've tried various radios on my Desire Z (usually based on recommendation for a particular custom ROM) none of which are not AT&T specific, and they all worked well.
My Desire Z is the Canada Bell version, and it works perfectly on AT&T's network. But the Canada Bell and AT&T networks seem similar in various ways, maybe there are some hardware level optimizations (beyond the basic fact of band compatibility)?
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Hey folks. I'm currently a Sprint customer thinking of switching to ATT after my upcoming deployment. I've browsed through 7 pages of this forum and seen some threads that dance around the questions I have, but none that conclusively answer them. I know right now ATT has HSPA+ as their "4g" tech, but from the looks of it they will be rolling out LTE in q4 of this year. I've seen conflicting posts throughout various threads about whether or not the Inspire has the hardware necessary to connect to LTE when it comes online. Can anyone give me a definitive yes/no? Also, does anyone know if ATT will be making their entire network HSPA+ compliant (regardless of LTE rollout)? Does anyone have a hard date on the LTE rollout (and phone options for it)?
No the Inspire does not have an LTE radio. As far as which phones will, they have not been announced yet.
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Hey folks. I'm currently a Sprint customer thinking of switching to ATT after my upcoming deployment. I've browsed through 7 pages of this forum and seen some threads that dance around the questions I have, but none that conclusively answer them. I know right now ATT has HSPA+ as their "4g" tech, but from the looks of it they will be rolling out LTE in q4 of this year. I've seen conflicting posts throughout various threads about whether or not the Inspire has the hardware necessary to connect to LTE when it comes online. Can anyone give me a definitive yes/no? Also, does anyone know if ATT will be making their entire network HSPA+ compliant (regardless of LTE rollout)? Does anyone have a hard date on the LTE rollout (and phone options for it)?
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Sent from Inspire 4G using Morse code.
No the inspire does not support LTE, no current Att phone does.
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As others have said, there are no LTE capable phones on AT&T's network at the moment. The first we'll probably see is the iPhone 5 (with future update), or iPhone 6, which is rumored to be available in the 2nd quarter of 2012.
At the moment, AT&T is banking real hard on the T-Mo deal going through so they have access to T-Mo's LTE spectrum, and that deal won't go through until early next year... If the FCC doesn't shut it down, that is.
No need to put out expensive LTE capable phones when you won't have a network to have them operate on till LATE this year, early next.
droe411 said:
No the Inspire does not have an LTE radio. As far as which phones will, they have not been announced yet.
Sent from Inspire 4G using Morse code.
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Would I be correct to assume that a simple Radio update could enable this and many other phones to be capable of LTE?
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Would I be correct to assume that a simple Radio update could enable this and many other phones to be capable of LTE?
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LTE will operate on a different frequency so it will not work afaik.
newter55 said:
LTE will operate on a different frequency so it will not work afaik.
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This.
LTE devices will work with a completely different technology, so for the same reason you can't just flash a Verizon (CDMA) phone to work on ATT (HSPA+), you can't flash an HSPA+ phone to work with LTE.
Well now that the Tmobile Htc one s has been released, comes the question:
besides the HSPA speed of the tmobile version, which one would be better for a tmobile customer to get ? the unlocked international version or the tmobile version?
in other words, are there any disadvantages of getting the tmobile version vs the international one ( in terms of being able to root it, S-OFF tool, unlocking, gps locked?, bloating,,,etc)
Well they're really the same beside the hspa+ which you already know. i think you should check out the t-mobile version cause in my opinion it wont have as much defects as the international version.
what defects are you talking about in the international version??
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what defects are you talking about in the international version??
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I believe he's talking about the chipping that the MAO version is experiencing. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1589364
This only happens on the black version so if you order the gray/blue version you won't experience this issue.
The international version does not have tmobile AWS bands sso the decision is prretty much made for you already if youre a tmobile customer.
other than the radio will roms be interchangeable?
TMobile HTC One S will support 42mbps "4G"
International HTC One S won't but it doesn't come with bloatware too.
how about roms?
will the same rom be working on both versions?
International one has no 4G but the T-Mobile Variant does.
Roms should be interchangeable.
They are the exact same phone minus some frequency bands.
If I was looking to pick up an unlocked ONE S to use for my international travels, am I better off going for the INT version? Will the Tmobile version be worse on my battery due to its 4g capabilities? What about Mobile hotspot for tethering. Will I have an easier time with that purchasing an unlocked international phone rather than unlocking a tmobile (with my unlocked Verizon phones I can not use hotspot, even when I am on GSM out of the country with foreign SIM).
I just figured when they come to Tmobile it will be fairly easy picking up an unlocked ONE S from ebay or somthing....
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If I was looking to pick up an unlocked ONE S to use for my international travels, am I better off going for the INT version? Will the Tmobile version be worse on my battery due to its 4g capabilities? What about Mobile hotspot for tethering. Will I have an easier time with that purchasing an unlocked international phone rather than unlocking a tmobile (with my unlocked Verizon phones I can not use hotspot, even when I am on GSM out of the country with foreign SIM).
I just figured when they come to Tmobile it will be fairly easy picking up an unlocked ONE S from ebay or somthing....
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same question here
mbd4524 said:
If I was looking to pick up an unlocked ONE S to use for my international travels, am I better off going for the INT version? Will the Tmobile version be worse on my battery due to its 4g capabilities? What about Mobile hotspot for tethering. Will I have an easier time with that purchasing an unlocked international phone rather than unlocking a tmobile (with my unlocked Verizon phones I can not use hotspot, even when I am on GSM out of the country with foreign SIM).
I just figured when they come to Tmobile it will be fairly easy picking up an unlocked ONE S from ebay or somthing....
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The T-Mobile version doesn't have "4G", it is really "advanced" 3G. It has no more drain on the battery than their actual 3G does since it is in fact, 3G.
T-Mobile doesn't even have "4G".
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The T-Mobile version doesn't have "4G", it is really "advanced" 3G. It has no more drain on the battery than their actual 3G does since it is in fact, 3G.
T-Mobile doesn't even have "4G".
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In other words, it should no make a difference for me if I buy the international version or unlocked tmobile version. What about tethering. Does anybody have experience with that?
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Roms should be interchangeable.
They are the exact same phone minus some frequency bands.
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This is what I thought. Would it be possible to flash the One S so that it can be used abroad?
Tethering is excellent on the UK three mobile networkl
mbd4524 said:
In other words, it should no make a difference for me if I buy the international version or unlocked tmobile version. What about tethering. Does anybody have experience with that?
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Well if you are on T-Mobile US, you want the T-Mobile version because the international version will only get 2G on T-Mobile US.
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Can we get the ATT HTC One XL unlocked to use it on T-Mobile USA? If yeah, whats the procedure?
Thanks.
Check out my thread on getting this phone to work on WIND (similar to T-Mobile, but in Canada). http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1610323
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Can we get the ATT HTC One XL unlocked to use it on T-Mobile USA? If yeah, whats the procedure?
Thanks.
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There's a ton of posts on the One X forum where people got it working using EDGE for data. Folks on this forum are trying to get the XL working for 3G data on Wind. If they do, it'll work on T-Mobile U.S. also.
The AT&T model does not have the correct bands to work on 3G/4G TMo. All you will get is Edge.
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The AT&T model does not have the correct bands to work on 3G/4G TMo. All you will get is Edge.
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There's a huge conversation going on about what's published and what the radio's capable of. There's a hack for the G-Note that folks are going to try and make work on the One X (assuming the h/w supports the bands). With the hack, the G-Note lost a bunch of signal strength and battery life so it's far from perfect.
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The AT&T model does not have the correct bands to work on 3G/4G TMo. All you will get is Edge.
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Hardware-wise it has.
If you go to HTC USA website you see that it does. The Tegra 3 based international version doesn't, but Rogers/AT&T version does. There is another thread where someone purchased the Rogers version and tried to use it on WIND (which uses the same band as tmobile usa), and got no data (phone is unlocked, but no edge no 3G). If the problem is due to the lack of WIND/tmobile 3G bands, he would have at least get EDGE data. He contacted HTC Canada and HTC verified that the phone hardware indeed support those band, and the issue has to do with Rogers implementation of the software.
The same happened with AT&T Galaxy Note. It supports tmobile 3G band, but was disabled in software. People here are able to open up those bands by flashing new radio on it.
It is still not know whether the AT&T One X has T-Mobile 3G bands disabled in software or not, and if it does, whether it can be easily re-enabled. But the hardware support is there.
So if I buy the att one XL outright (and dont do nothing else) and pop in the tmobile micro sim will it work..meaning make phone calls and all? And it'll just get edge right?
k87 said:
So if I buy the att one XL outright (and dont do nothing else) and pop in the tmobile micro sim will it work..meaning make phone calls and all? And it'll just get edge right?
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no
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I am using my Rogers HTC One XL on Tmobile right now and yes all you get is Edge + voice.
k87 said:
So if I buy the att one XL outright (and dont do nothing else) and pop in the tmobile micro sim will it work..meaning make phone calls and all? And it'll just get edge right?
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No, it's locked to AT&T man.
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I am using my Rogers HTC One XL on Tmobile right now and yes all you get is Edge + voice.
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As long as you purchase an unlock code and unlock the phone then it will give you edge + voice on Tmobile.
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I am using my Rogers HTC One XL on Tmobile right now and yes all you get is Edge + voice.
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This sucks. I'm on Tmobile and was holding out for the AT&T One X to use on Tmobile. Didnt want the One S because of the small screen. May have to go with the Galaxy Nexus for 400.00.
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Well assuming you unlock it and live in a refarmed 1900 hsdpa area from tmobile can you get 3G that way?
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Well assuming you unlock it and live in a refarmed 1900 hsdpa area from tmobile can you get 3G that way?
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1900 hasn't been refarmed in my area but that would be the only option for somebody to use the One X on 3g/4g.
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Is there or will there be an unlock for the one x so we can use it (phone calls, edge etc) on the tmobile network?
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Is there or will there be an unlock for the one x so we can use it (phone calls, edge etc) on the tmobile network?
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Yes...most definitely. Once the AT&T version is officially released, you'll likely see numerous posts on how to unlock. There are some threads already starting if you search...
Here is an unlock site the says they can unlock the ONE X (AT&T Version) phone already. It costs in the neighborhood of $15, but that is a small price to pay to carrier unlock. If you live in a TMobile area that has reassigned their HSPA+ to the same 1900MHz Band AT&T uses it should be well worth being able to grab a tmobile sim for back up data or switching over completely. From what I have read, TMobile will be moving most of their markets HSPA+ to the 1900 MHz band in the not too distant future so this could be win win. I am going to give this a shot on May 4th when my phone is supposed to show up, I will post back with my success or failure.
Just a random thought that came into my head.
T-mobile is getting the One S, which also uses the S4. Given that the radio is integrated in the S4 chipset, and both the One X(AT&T) and One S are using the same SoC, they probably have the same capabilities with regards to the networks. In that case, it may "simply" be a matter of producing a modem driver with support for the T-mobile bands.
Disclaimer: This is all conjecture on my part, as I'm not entirely sure what is involved with cell phone radios and the more modern technologies.
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Just a random thought that came into my head.
T-mobile is getting the One S, which also uses the S4. Given that the radio is integrated in the S4 chipset, and both the One X(AT&T) and One S are using the same SoC, they probably have the same capabilities with regards to the networks. In that case, it may "simply" be a matter of producing a modem driver with support for the T-mobile bands.
Disclaimer: This is all conjecture on my part, as I'm not entirely sure what is involved with cell phone radios and the more modern technologies.
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Sorry, that's a negative.
There are several variations of the Snapdragon S4. Some with LTE, some without.
In this case, the One X LTE has the S4 MSM8960 with LTE. The One S has the S4 MSM8260A, without LTE.
What exactly is WCDMA AWS band? Because on the HTC website it says the One XL has that. I thought that is both bands for tmobile 4G.
Anyone?
Well are you talking about the international One X or like the rogers? The AT&T version only has 16gb of storage versus the 32 on international but it does have LTE which isn't on the international version. The only other real difference im aware of is the use of the snapdragon S4 as opposed to the tegra 3 on international models.
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Well are you talking about the international One X or like the rogers? The AT&T version only has 16gb of storage versus the 32 on international but it does have LTE which isn't on the international version. The only other real difference im aware of is the use of the snapdragon S4 as opposed to the tegra 3 on international models.
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lol. Righty. "The only other difference is that the processor is completely different"
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When you say " the "rogers" what is that? I just mean there are two sections - one for AT&T One X and one for One X.
What's LTE anyhow?
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lol. Righty. "The only other difference is that the processor is completely different"
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When you say " the "rogers" what is that? I just mean there are two sections - one for AT&T One X and one for One X.
What's LTE anyhow?
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Big question, is what country are you located, and who is your carrier?
LTE = long term evolution. Its AT&T's new 4G data network. Its not rolled out in many places yet (maybe 20 or so cities nationwide? More cities on the way). If you are an AT&T customer, and in a LTE market, you may see download speeds of up to 25 or 30 Mbps, which is possibly 10x faster than 3G (although results will vary widely for any data connection). If this applies to you, than this can obviously be a big motivator to get the AT&T version.
Different processor, and completely different SOC (system on a chip), so that also means different GPU. The S4 is faster in many benchmarks, while the Tegra 3 wins in some, and probably not a huge difference on the whole. But the Tegra3 (international) version seems to be having some graphical and other glitches related to the Tegra drivers, that might not be sorted out for a while. Also, its probably a bit early to say for sure, but battery life seems to be better on the AT&T (S4) version based on early reports.
The international version is probably going to see more users worldwide, and therefore get more dev support. Already lots of custom ROMs for the international version. And the different CPU means that ROMs will not be automatically compatible between the 2 versions (although its possible some devs may be able to port between the 2 . . . still to early to say). But I'm still hoping for dev support for the AT&T version to be decent.
Also, the AT&T version has their typical branding (splash screen, logos, etc.) and bloatware.
Rogers is a Canadian carrier. The Rogers One X is nearly identical to the AT&T version.
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lol. Righty. "The only other difference is that the processor is completely different"
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When you say " the "rogers" what is that? I just mean there are two sections - one for AT&T One X and one for One X.
What's LTE anyhow?
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Rogers is a phone service in Canada. LTE stands for long term evolution and it is true 4g speed, it's data only at the moment, and it's considerably faster than 3G internet or Hspa+ which AT&T has called 4g, but it's just really fast 3G. But in the end 4G LTE is faster.
Thanks for clearing all that up!
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Rogers is a phone service in Canada. LTE stands for long term evolution and it is true 4g speed, it's data only at the moment, and it's considerably faster than 3G internet or Hspa+ which AT&T has called 4g, but it's just really fast 4G. But in the end 4G LTE is faster.
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Unfortunately, the definition of 4G has been blurred and revised to include HSPA+. But while LTE is obviously much faster than HSPA+; LTE doesn't even come close to fulfilling the original 4G requirements, which specify a peak download speed of 1 Gbit/sec.
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Unfortunately, the definition of 4G has been blurred and revised to include HSPA+. But while LTE is obviously much faster than HSPA+; LTE doesn't even come close to fulfilling the original 4G requirements, which specify a peak download speed of 1 Gbit/sec.
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This is true, and I just realized I called HSPA+ fast 4g, lol. I meant 3g
I've been searching everywhere but can't seem to find my answer. Maybe you guys could help me out. I found specs online showing the XT925 does support DC-42 but on the Motorola website it only says HSPA+21. I would like to purchase one with HSPA+42 capability. Also I noticed that there are two different boxed versions. The first comes in a larger box and looks like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-RA...0911347237?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item20cef88625
That seems to be the international GSM unlocked version, but then I came aross this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Dr...0982633857?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item27cf5bf181
Which comes in a smaller box. I emailed the seller for the second phone and he said it was originally for ROGERS/FIDO network in Canada.
Can someone tell me if there is any difference between the two if there is other than packaging?
I'm looking to purchase soon.
Thanks!
Both devices are the same with the exception of the firmware that has its specific baseband and default language. If someone can confirm that their XT925 can pick up DC-HSPA, then they all support it regardless of where it came from.
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Both devices are the same with the exception of the firmware that has its specific baseband and default language. If someone can confirm that their XT925 can pick up DC-HSPA, then they all support it regardless of where it came from.
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I have an XT925 through Telstra in Australia. DC-HSPA works fine, as does LTE. I would say that both phones are the same, just with different carrier packaging and firmware. You might want to make sure that they're not locked to any networks.
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I have an XT925 through Telstra in Australia. DC-HSPA works fine, as does LTE. I would say that both phones are the same, just with different carrier packaging and firmware. You might want to make sure that they're not locked to any networks.
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Thanks for confirming that. I would also like to know if there is a way to determine the manufacture date and is there a way to check if it's still covered under Motorola's warranty. I bought my XT925 on eBay originally for Fido. It came unlocked and seems to be working fine on T-Mobile
So, I'm little confused by the whole unlocked gsm thing. I've been looking at replacing an S3 with the razr and came upon a few Razr HD LTE phones from canada that say they're GSM unlocked. Will this work on Verizon?
WRONG!!
Three are 3 versions of Razr HD
XT926 Verizon US
XT925 Rogers Canada
XT925 Australia, UK & Asia this one use 800 - 2600 lte frequency
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So, I'm little confused by the whole unlocked gsm thing. I've been looking at replacing an S3 with the razr and came upon a few Razr HD LTE phones from canada that say they're GSM unlocked. Will this work on Verizon?
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I've been bitten a few times by compatibility claims, where unlocked and 3G mean different things in different places.
Firstly, Verizon uses CDMA for their phones and they do not use SIMs. You would need an XT926 to use on Verizon. In Canada I have found that many people think that GSM and "uses a SIM" are the same. Bell for instance now uses SIMs for their 3G and faster networks, however their older CDMA network supposedly exists and people could use their old CDMA phones to get 2G data speeds.
All that to say, "measure twice, cut once" applies to phones as well. Do research, and then validate the research before jumping in on what could be an expensive purchase.
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I've been bitten a few times by compatibility claims, where unlocked and 3G mean different things in different places.
Firstly, Verizon uses CDMA for their phones and they do not use SIMs. You would need an XT926 to use on Verizon. In Canada I have found that many people think that GSM and "uses a SIM" are the same. Bell for instance now uses SIMs for their 3G and faster networks, however their older CDMA network supposedly exists and people could use their old CDMA phones to get 2G data speeds.
All that to say, "measure twice, cut once" applies to phones as well. Do research, and then validate the research before jumping in on what could be an expensive purchase.
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This whole thing is further complicated by O2 in Germany which has a CDMA / HSPA / LTE version of the XT925. As far as my research has shown (and Motorola has a lot of documents on their site about phones and bands, etc): it seems like the XT925 comes in one version, but the firmware on your phone is what unlocks the different bands.
If you look on the bottom backside of your phone: there's a lot of FCC / regulatory information. One of them is type. Mine reads MOD46. You can research that directly on Motorola's site for detailed information about what radios, bands, etc the phone was certified for. This is what leads me to believe all XT925 are the same model. Anyone have a type different that MOD46?
Just my hypothesis.
Mine says MOD46 as well.
You're right on the whole complicated thing...it is definitely messed up when there is a whole thread on this forum where a bunch of members are trying to sort out the differences between the JB builds for Rogers and Fido, when Rogers and Fido are the same company.