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hi there..
just recently, i decided to flash my wizard, which was running NBD 8.3 for 4 months, with a few newer ROMS then now i settled to th_undead's MFR2.0 ROM.. i did so because i feel that my previous ROM is a lot slower than new roms and the free memory in the new roms are bigger..
anyway.. in this rom (and the other ones i tried - Jaguar 4.0), i am having camera problems.. it's not that it's not functioning, it just doesn't look right..
because of this, i tried old patches to make it shoot better..
i tried to apply the ov9650 camera patch that makes the camera's white balance and light recognition better.. but it seems not to work..
after installing patch, i am no longer able to launch the camera.. it just goes loading the camera (with rotating pie and Camera showing at the TopBar), then quits back to the today screen..
when i was using a WM5 ROM, i can use the said patch patch and obtained good quality pics.. when i switched to NBD ROMS (my first and only WM6 ROM series that i stuck to), the camera impressed me because it takes good quality pictures (especially in low low light conditions) even without the patch.. i thought that was supposed to be how the WM6 camera operates..
BUT..
no offence, the camera quality in this ROM, or other new wm6 roms i tried before settling (like Jaguar 4.0 and TNT) is poor compared to my prvious ROM, NBD 8.3.. especially in low light situations..
is there a wm6 patch to fix this?
here are sample pictures.. the first ones are taken with my previous rom (NBD8.3) and the next ones are taken just today, under same lighting conditions, in the same angling, same spot as where the first shots were taken (these are all within the house so it is easy to recreate the shots, and without sunlight ambience - just pure incandescent bulbs).. notice how dark the new pictures are..
click the thumbnails for the original pictures
please mind that those are the original unaltered pictures taken from my wizard, using two different roms.. i just want to point out the difference in quality (white/light balance)
also, i use the same settings (in the camera.. contrast, brightness, flicker frequency=50Hz, quality, etc) but notice that the pictures taken from the NBD 8.3 rom is larger (file size) by almost double.. i checked the camera versions used by both roms and it is the same build.. maybe some other factors affect different performance?
tough some may say that the old pictures look bad because the colors are ashed up, but i think the first pictures (from NBD 8.3) looks grainy and blurred because it compensated for the lack of lighting (like in a night shot mode).. even though, a washed up bright picture is still better than a sharper almost black picture..
can anyone help? i really miss the camera quality of my previous rom.. maybe some can use the settings or whatever that there is in NBD 8.3 that made the camera quality better and port it into these newer roms..
i am not promoting NBD or Zoki, nor rebuking other cooks for their work.. i am just wondering what is special in NBD's camera that makes it shoot better pictures?
yes... ive also seen this happen very often. Even when you use cool camera you will note that the picture quality is very diferente. Perhaps of the camera drivers that are loaded in different ROMS.
I was tired of WM6 and went back to my carrier's WM5 ROM surprisingly the picture quality was overall better than with any WM6 ROM.
I've been using the AKU 3.3 ROM and the pic quality if far higher than the WM6 versions I've used. This most likely depends on the driver in the OEMdrivers folder if you are cooking. Change that out and run G'reloc before you cook, and you will probably get better quality. I'd try it, but my device is being used so much now, I don't have the inclination to start cooking and flashing until the summer.
Since most D2 users feel the picture quality is only so so , has anyone found a way / .cab to allow the camera to store the picture in RAW format which enables postprocessing with sw like photoshop? Otherwise any tweaks / .cabs to patch the default JPEG & better noise reduction?
I'd go for that too ... although maybe there's only so much you can do with a 5 meg camera ?
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I'd go for that too ... although maybe there's only so much you can do with a 5 meg camera ?
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That got me thinking, my full-sized camera is only 5 megs (a Nikon and had it a while) but takes absolutely stunning pictures.
It isn't the number of pixels reducing the quality, it is the quality of the optics. You can't expect much out of a lens the size of the one included in Topaz.
I don't think having a RAW output would help matters any.
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Phil
Actually, sensor quality is the biggest issue here. Phone camera sensors are tiny and thus don't have the same image fidelity of sensors in dedicated cams. Sure, they're pulling 5MPs out like a point and shoot, but there's a lot less light sensitivity in them. Take the same shot with a cell phone and with a DSLR into an app like Adobe Lightroom and increse the brightness (not exposure). On the DSLR shot, you'd instantly see the extra detail come out of the shadows. On the cell phone shot, you'd see mostly noise and detail masked with noise.
On sensors this size, i doubt the lens would make much difference. The difference between plastic and glass (i believe) is mostly academic. About the best you could hope for is reduced chromatic abherration and flaring, but no manufacturer is going to waste the kind of money necessary to put pro-level or even prosumer glass on a phone, particularly one with a standard-sized sensor.
Also, try the demo version of Neat Image:
http://www.neatimage.com/download.html
It'll batch process up to two images. It's not a deep as the pro version, but it gets the job done.
I seem to be alone in liking the photo quality on the TD2! You need good lighting, and if you stick to ISO100 (200 at a pinch) and reduce "brightness" by "1", the results are better than a lot of compact cameras I've used. The colours in particular are excellent, and bar the occasional strange HTC processing artifact, the detail level is very good, both in the centre and into the corners. For it's minute size, the lens actually impresses me. Where the lens falls down is shooting into the sun, a stiff test for most compacts, but you could still shade it with your hand.
I think HTC's software image processing (noise reduction etc) is actually good, they don't mess with the image as much as some mainstream camera manufacturers. You get more noise, but you get more detail left too, which I prefer. I've printed some of the pics from the TD2 onto A4, and they look superb, you couldn't tell them apart from a normal compact camera.
The only issue I have is at higher ISOs (400+). I don't find the noise a problem but I get horizontal interference lines as well which are intrusive.
I suppose there might be a lot of sample variance in such a "cheap" camera though, so just because I was lucky with mine doesn't mean everyone will have got a good one.
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The only issue I have is at higher ISOs (400+). I don't find the noise a problem but I get horizontal interference lines as well which are intrusive.
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Indeed these horizontal interference lines is what ticks me.
I'll try your settings and see if the image quality improves.
... and unfortunately I don't think you can get rid of the interference, RAW or not. It's probably getting in via the power supply to the camera, or maybe being picked up directly, from the main processor or one of the radios. Turning the phone radio off whilst taking high ISO pics might help, I haven't tried it yet. It's the price for so much digital in such a small space. At least low ISO pics aren't affected.
I'm also really interested in raw capturing. Think on some pics we will be able to have higher quality...
Guys still can't leave this idea! I really impressed by diamond2 camera. And i think that even if we would be able to capture uncompressed data from camera, png formant for example, it would be super and would give us some space for enhancements...
for WM there are so much software, and now alternative camera soft?
Or maybe video for 30fps?
Since most D2 users feel the picture quality is only so so
Well i know that some phones have its camera function as "main argument" but other functions usually suffer there. Here we have complex device, and its camera from my point of view make decent picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/5020311/1/soso?h=7b9477
Just made +1 on contrast to have wider dynamic range, and +1 on sharpness cause internal sharp algorithm is crap, if i need i'll boost contrast and sharp in lightroom. And i have very good pictures, this phone easily replace my compact camera.
Hi,
just recently updated to the stock/official V12A (euro) update and while I must say that everything seems to run smoother and faster, I noticed poorer video quality capture now compared to the froyo performance. I am noticing maybe only 24fps while recording in FHD with video stabilization on and the problem worsens when panning around.
anyone else have this problem? I might try out one of the customs roms if this problem does not exist on them
thanks
I haven't played much with the camera yet with GB but the decrease in image quality is probably due to the use of the image stabilisation.
Because the O3D doesn't have a hardware stabilizer (I can't think of any phone that has one) it crops the image a bit so it can compensate for the shaking by moving the cropped frame within the full image and when the video is done it blows it up back to 1080p.
If you want to compare the image quality to Froyo builds you should disable the stabilizer option.
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I haven't played much with the camera yet with GB but the decrease in image quality is probably due to the use of the image stabilisation.
Because the O3D doesn't have a hardware stabilizer (I can't think of any phone that has one) it crops the image a bit so it can compensate for the shaking by moving the cropped frame within the full image and when the video is done it blows it up back to 1080p.
If you want to compare the image quality to Froyo builds you should disable the stabilizer option.
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my concern is not much on the actual quality per se
it's the framerate that has gotten worse since the update (where framerate was nothing to brag about on froyo to begin with )
Thanks
I downloaded the photos from my last trip abroad today and when I opened a few 3d pics (jps format) I noticed that the color balance between the left and right images is different. Since my phone is one of those prototype "not for sale"-inscribed models that had v08x firmware initially, I wanted to see if it's normal or if it's a problem of the prototype models, or just my phone.
Mind you, when viewed on the phone in 3d mode the pics look fine to me (the difference is somewhat subtle anyway), but I want to make sure I get the most out of my phone. I was running stock v10d, stock camera app when the shots were taken.
Below is a sample. I attached a jpg because Gimp can't save in jps format.
Edit: it's the same thing with videos.
I get slightly higher exposure in the right shot, but its not noticeable when viewed in 3d.
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I downloaded the photos from my last trip abroad today and when I opened a few 3d pics (jps format) I noticed that the color balance between the left and right images is different. Since my phone is one of those prototype "not for sale"-inscribed models that had v08x firmware initially, I wanted to see if it's normal or if it's a problem of the prototype models, or just my phone.
Mind you, when viewed on the phone in 3d mode the pics look fine to me (the difference is somewhat subtle anyway), but I want to make sure I get the most out of my phone. I was running stock v10d, stock camera app when the shots were taken.
Below is a sample. I attached a jpg because Gimp can't save in jps format.
Edit: it's the same thing with videos.
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Same thing here... one camera has different color and brightness settings than the other... This makes me wonder if they even have the same CCD chip.
I thought it was the lens at first, and cleaned it, but nop... it's really different.
btw, if you need to open it as a standard 2d file, just rename to jpg.
Attached is another sample of this
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Same thing here... one camera has different color and brightness settings than the other... This makes me wonder if they even have the same CCD chip.
I thought it was the lens at first, and cleaned it, but nop... it's really different.
btw, if you need to open it as a standard 2d file, just rename to jpg.
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when I look at my taken 3d photo I have the different color and brightness too.
I think it's normal, that the lens is in different position and shot a different angle.
so it'll catch different color and brightness.
haha..its just my logic.
CMIIW
The other camera might just be a cheaper, lower quality model - probably the reason 3D is limited to 3 MPix and the flash isnt centered
I found a bunch of old videos, shot with different firmware versions and their respective camera apps, and the difference between left and right is the same in all of them. Since the difference is constant, irrespective of the firmware/camera app used, but it differs from phone to phone, I'd guess that it's a sensor issue and that each one reads the light and colors differently.
I think that if we all took a 2d photo in identical conditions, no 2 pics would come out looking alike because of the variations between the sensors. Even though they are mass-produced parts, I remember from the days I spent tweaking musical instruments and preamps that some electronics parts are just not created equally, and due to the way some of them work, they may be more sensitive to slight variations in pressure, temperature, humidity and whatnot during assembly, leading to differences between the finished products.
However, it appears that the differences between the sensors span from simple color balance issues to blurriness, desaturation and exposure issues. I guess not one, but both cameras are on the cheap side. It's too bad that they decided to cut costs on one of the parts that make this phone stand out from the crowd.
So I have noticed that the jpegs coming out of the camera set at full resolution (8mp) are only 1.5MB - this seems very small compared to what it should be. My wife has the Infuse and her 8mp shots are closer to 3 - 5MB.
I understand the need to save space, but it seems to me they are compressing quite a bit. We should have the option of saving full uncompressed jpegs if we want. I wonder what effect this is having on the overall quality of the pictures...
There was a member over on the international One X forum that tweaked the app to do zero compression but it was buggy. Interested in seeing the results for that.