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JB Nexus S?

Okay I like my nexus. As a matter of fact its the best phone I've ever owned but... Am I alone when I say it can't handle jelly bean? I've noticed stutters in various places compared to ICS. Or am I missing something?
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Have you tried a factory reset? Mine was running very smoothly on the OTA. I also wiped my phone before and after the update.

Honestly I don't find it that much buttery. In some app it even seems slower. But I'm running custom ROM with some restored apps.
Maybe with a total fresh start it will work better...
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nexom said:
Okay I like my nexus. As a matter of fact its the best phone I've ever owned but... Am I alone when I say it can't handle jelly bean? I've noticed stutters in various places compared to ICS. Or am I missing something?
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I had the same problem with the OTA. JellyBelly runs smooth though.

Seems a lot better than ICS 4.0.4 stock. Google now is slow to load but otherwise everything is sweet.
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nexom said:
Okay I like my nexus. As a matter of fact its the best phone I've ever owned but... Am I alone when I say it can't handle jelly bean? I've noticed stutters in various places compared to ICS. Or am I missing something?
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The search (response between pressing the search softkey and the search box came up, I need to press it again to show the keyboard) is a lot slower now thanks to Google Now, other stuffs are same for me.

nexom said:
Okay I like my nexus. As a matter of fact its the best phone I've ever owned but... Am I alone when I say it can't handle jelly bean? I've noticed stutters in various places compared to ICS. Or am I missing something?
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Are you running OTA or some custom ROM? I tried a few different JB ROM's + kernels and wasn't very impressed. It was a very stuttery experience with lots of slowing downs. I guess i had too much junk laying around after so many flashes.
So i wiped everything, went back to stock image and got the OTA JB that way and rooted it. It's been running very smoothly ever since I wouldn't say it's a HUGE improvement over ICS..but maybe like 20% smoother. It's definitely not slower than ICS (i was running both stock ICS 4.04 and CM9 RC1 before. The only places i noticed the lack of buttery smoothness is when opening Google Now and the Camera app. The camera itself is fast and all, but the start up time is longer than i remember on ICS.

From my experience, it's actually "smoother" but not really faster than ICS.
Just went back to CM9 RC2 and I must say that it's much faster than any JB ROMs out there but just doesn't have buttery smooth animation.

I quite like JB. I don't use custom roms (I prefer stock with matr1x), and JB is nicer that ICS. Previously, recent apps was useless to me. It took forever to load. now it loads in an instant. also, I don't get ~10 seconds of lag after I install/uninstall an app, faster to boot, faster to finish loading apps after booting and the ui is much nicer. Ofc, it does stutter from time to time, but it's negligible, as far as I'm concerned. Project Butter is really doing stuff right.
Ofc, it's not as smooth and fast as on the gnex, but that's to be expected. The hw is not as good. But it does a pretty good job. I really wish google would upgrade the kernel and make it use all the ram available...don't see why they don't use it all...

ykphuah said:
The search (response between pressing the search softkey and the search box came up, I need to press it again to show the keyboard) is a lot slower now thanks to Google Now, other stuffs are same for me.
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Instead of pressing the search soft key just press the Google logo on the Google bar... that will bring up search faster

mine seems good

I understand your feelings, but JB on nexus s is better than ICS, maybe not faster but definitely smoother. JB does give a nicer feel to the whole phone experience.
If you're on custom rom, try the stock one Afresh. I flashed stock Ics then got JB ota. I have also used Stevens JB and oodies. But after a fresh install, the stock one seems the best. However, I'm waiting for CM10 as CM9 is definitely better than stock ICS. I'm expecting the same from CM10.
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I am asking myself the same question as the op. When I got my nexus s about a year ago it replaced a horribly slow nokia n86. The new UI felt fast. With time I got used to the speed of the UI and was generally quite happy with the performance.
Then came ICS and I began to wonder. Sometimes apps took a few secons to open a certain menu, sometimes the same menu was opened in half a second. Now with JB i get the impression that these inconsistent lags are appearing even more often. A typical usecase for me:
Listening to music via BT headset -> press power -> unlock screen -> select (standard) music app -> search for a specific song.
Sometimes this works as expected with <0.5s between steps, sometimes unlocking or opening the music app takes >3 seconds.
I should note that my system is completely stock and was never unlocked or rooted. I did the OTA to ICS and now to JB as intended by google. I never whiped any cache nor did I ever reinstall. When I have the time I may try that just to see if it makes any difference. For the moment though, I am left with the impression that 512mb ram and a single core CPU are not enough for a 2012 OS.

I'm finding a big improvement over ICS. I can't say I've found anything that doesn't work at least as good as ICS and a lot of stuff works better for me. The smoothness has really improved my 'user experience'.
That being said the app developers need to play catch up and get their stuff optimized for JB.
Can't wait to try the amazing custom JB ROMs that are going to be rolling out soon as well.
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Same here, I notice quite a few stutters, and I believe more than I had on ICS.
Maybe I'll try to flash stock Google ICS, and then do the official Google OTA update. The current ROM I'm using is this one, but maybe that is really not 100% the same as the Google OTA version?
Also, I'm truly disappointed at the fact that I can't use my voice on Google Now without having the whole cell phone in English. If I don't have the menus in English, all it does is Google searches... Basically seems like anyone that doesn't speak English natively is alienated.

Hopefully chainfire updates chainfire 3d opengl driver to work with jb .
Made ICS significantly smooth should do same with JB

Currently using CM10 and it works perfectly. I have not seen any lag whatsoever so i am pretty happy with it. I used the stock OTA but it was a major battery drain. That's really all I have seen that is negative.
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nexom said:
Okay I like my nexus. As a matter of fact its the best phone I've ever owned but... Am I alone when I say it can't handle jelly bean? I've noticed stutters in various places compared to ICS. Or am I missing something?
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Can try to disable Force GPU rendering in Developer options to solve shutters.

On my i9023 JB, the graphic is slower but my battery life has improve than on ICS. Dont know it is because of JB or I reset the batt setting b4 upgrade to JB.

Disappointed with stock (JB) experience?

Howdy hello,
I've been on my Nexus S since GB. Ever since I've rooted and been running custom ROMs. I've had some awesome experiences but some crappy ones at the same time, all of which I attributed to my phone running a custom ROM.
Now I've finally got the new, new stock JB on my device, and after running it for a few weeks, I'm a bit disappointed. The features are nice and all, but there are so many issues I face that make it near unusable. To name a few:
Google Now takes way too long to pull up. At least 5 seconds and even while it's loading the cards, it's very laggy. The search button used to be a quick way for me to search for something, but the is effectively ruined with this lag.
Constantly losing data / connectivity. I know this may be at the carrier level, but I've never had this much trouble. ALSO, in these cases, the phone will often be reporting that it has full bars / full 3g connectivity, so either way the phone is acting screwy. I mean seriously, the one thing I need my phone to do is make a damn phone call, yet it semi-frequently fails to do so.
Apps fail left and right. Today my youtube app crashed in the middle of the first video I pulled up on it. I know this isn't really the OS, but it's part of the stock experience, and I think android should be held responsible.
Just a few minor gripes. I'm just wondering: has anyone else experienced this? I did a full wipe before installing the stock JB rom, and I don't think it could just be root permissions making things go wacky. I may consider re-wiping and only installing a few apps, but I really don't have that much crap installed, so I'm not sure if that's the issue as well.
I saw another post recommending to get a new SIM card from AT&T. I have had mine for a few years, so that could be a possible fix for issue #2, but I don't think that's the entire reason.
Any feedback is welcome. Thanks a lot all.

Stock JB was very laggy on my NS for some reason. Even swipping pages in the home screen was laggy. Some apps would instantly crash, too.

I've been running custom JB roms on my Nexus S, and its been running really well. The only thing is im experiencing the same lag that you do with Google Now. It has caused me to open my browser to do a search, which is disappointing, because in GB and ICS, the Google Search bar was so quick and convenient.

shyguyhighfive said:
Howdy hello,
I've been on my Nexus S since GB. Ever since I've rooted and been running custom ROMs. I've had some awesome experiences but some crappy ones at the same time, all of which I attributed to my phone running a custom ROM.
Now I've finally got the new, new stock JB on my device, and after running it for a few weeks, I'm a bit disappointed. The features are nice and all, but there are so many issues I face that make it near unusable. To name a few:
Google Now takes way too long to pull up. At least 5 seconds and even while it's loading the cards, it's very laggy. The search button used to be a quick way for me to search for something, but the is effectively ruined with this lag.
Constantly losing data / connectivity. I know this may be at the carrier level, but I've never had this much trouble. ALSO, in these cases, the phone will often be reporting that it has full bars / full 3g connectivity, so either way the phone is acting screwy. I mean seriously, the one thing I need my phone to do is make a damn phone call, yet it semi-frequently fails to do so.
Apps fail left and right. Today my youtube app crashed in the middle of the first video I pulled up on it. I know this isn't really the OS, but it's part of the stock experience, and I think android should be held responsible.
Just a few minor gripes. I'm just wondering: has anyone else experienced this? I did a full wipe before installing the stock JB rom, and I don't think it could just be root permissions making things go wacky. I may consider re-wiping and only installing a few apps, but I really don't have that much crap installed, so I'm not sure if that's the issue as well.
I saw another post recommending to get a new SIM card from AT&T. I have had mine for a few years, so that could be a possible fix for issue #2, but I don't think that's the entire reason.
Any feedback is welcome. Thanks a lot all.
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The cards could be taking longer to load because of your flaky connectivity. Can't expect them to load instantly if your data/signal is dying all the time, can you?

Definitely an inferior experience here on stock JB compared to ICS. Really hope Google fix this in an incremental update, as it's a bit silly their second-best phone can't run JB properly.

polobunny said:
The cards could be taking longer to load because of your flaky connectivity. Can't expect them to load instantly if your data/signal is dying all the time, can you?
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heh, that's a fair point. I'm not so upset with the cards taking a long time to load as I am that, while they are loading, the OS is very unstable. It's difficult for me to bring up the keyboard and search google while it's trying to load those cards. I can't believe it's not butter
Nothijngrad said:
Definitely an inferior experience here on stock JB compared to ICS. Really hope Google fix this in an incremental update, as it's a bit silly their second-best phone can't run JB properly.
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My thoughts exactly . I was excited to get back on stock so I could have a functional phone without any added bells and whistles. New features are nice, but not at this price.

Try running a custom kernel.. Try the thalamus kernel its very stockish and it's SUPER smooth..
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I'm running stock on [email protected] with a matrix kernel everything smooth for me
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I had problems with JB too. There were a few lags, especially with Google Now. Some apps would crash every time I tried to open them, and the launcher crashed every time I tried to change wall paper.

shyguyhighfive said:
Howdy hello,
I've been on my Nexus S since GB. Ever since I've rooted and been running custom ROMs. I've had some awesome experiences but some crappy ones at the same time, all of which I attributed to my phone running a custom ROM.
Now I've finally got the new, new stock JB on my device, and after running it for a few weeks, I'm a bit disappointed. The features are nice and all, but there are so many issues I face that make it near unusable. To name a few:
Google Now takes way too long to pull up. At least 5 seconds and even while it's loading the cards, it's very laggy. The search button used to be a quick way for me to search for something, but the is effectively ruined with this lag.
Constantly losing data / connectivity. I know this may be at the carrier level, but I've never had this much trouble. ALSO, in these cases, the phone will often be reporting that it has full bars / full 3g connectivity, so either way the phone is acting screwy. I mean seriously, the one thing I need my phone to do is make a damn phone call, yet it semi-frequently fails to do so.
Apps fail left and right. Today my youtube app crashed in the middle of the first video I pulled up on it. I know this isn't really the OS, but it's part of the stock experience, and I think android should be held responsible.
Just a few minor gripes. I'm just wondering: has anyone else experienced this? I did a full wipe before installing the stock JB rom, and I don't think it could just be root permissions making things go wacky. I may consider re-wiping and only installing a few apps, but I really don't have that much crap installed, so I'm not sure if that's the issue as well.
I saw another post recommending to get a new SIM card from AT&T. I have had mine for a few years, so that could be a possible fix for issue #2, but I don't think that's the entire reason.
Any feedback is welcome. Thanks a lot all.
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Hmm I can say that AOSP JB is WAYYYY better than ICS. Soon I can port my ROM from the NS4G to the NS.

I have to agree with this. I've used stock JB when it was released, I was wowed by it's smoothness and cool animations. But everything felt a little slow and sluggish coming from ICS custom rom. After switching to Jellybro, JB feels both very fast and smooth. If you feel disappointed with JB, try using custom rom.
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I don't know if you guys with problem tried that yet, but it might be a good idea to do a factory reset. You will lose all your data if not backed up but I'm getting a feeling it could help. JB has only been smoother than ICS for most.

Looking to get an NS soon, but it may help, as others have mentioned to run a custom kernel and bump up the clock speeds a bit.
My N1 is almost perfectly smooth (very little lag and often times none) with JB installed and overclocked.
My GNEX is smooth as butter. (As to be expected). But I guess what I'm saying is, if the N1 can run JB smooth, then the NS should not have any problems.
And while I know AOSP is technically designed to run on multiple devices, only two were in mind when JB was released....the N7 and the GNEX. Everything else is an afterthought in which AOSP may not be fully optimized for the hardware that is pushing it. (Just my opinion).
And another opinion while I'm on my soap box. JB is what ICS should have been.

In my opinion 512 MB of RAM are a tight fit for Jelly Bean. I can just run 3-4 background apps without kill-restart-kill-restart-kill-restart and a constant lag.
I remember some kernels used to have compcache support. Maybe I could try to enable compcache/zram.

got556 said:
Looking to get an NS soon, but it may help, as others have mentioned to run a custom kernel and bump up the clock speeds a bit.
My N1 is almost perfectly smooth (very little lag and often times none) with JB installed and overclocked.
My GNEX is smooth as butter. (As to be expected). But I guess what I'm saying is, if the N1 can run JB smooth, then the NS should not have any problems.
And while I know AOSP is technically designed to run on multiple devices, only two were in mind when JB was released....the N7 and the GNEX. Everything else is an afterthought in which AOSP may not be fully optimized for the hardware that is pushing it. (Just my opinion).
And another opinion while I'm on my soap box. JB is what ICS should have been.
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I just got my GNex and the difference with JB on this phone is night and day. I didn't think it would be but I'm pleasantly surprised. But yeah. The RAM issue seems to be my biggest gripe with it on the NS. And for some reason, it just dominated my battery. I went through my first cycle on stock with Trinity and managed 3.5 hours of screen time over the course of almost 17 hours and still had a little under 50% remaining. My NS would've been dead long before that with the same usage pattern.....

I run stock JB with Matr1x. It works very very well.
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In my opinion 512 MB of RAM are a tight fit for Jelly Bean. I can just run 3-4 background apps without kill-restart-kill-restart-kill-restart and a constant lag.
I remember some kernels used to have compcache support. Maybe I could try to enable compcache/zram.
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Not to mention it only uses 368 mb of them. If it used the full 512, it would be pretty nice

I'm running Androxide 3.1 and used to run AdamG's custom ROM. Both ran great, no hiccups what so ever, Google now loads very fast, I guess it depends on your GPS and internet connection. My experience with JB is far better than the fastest ICS ROM out there, I believe given enough time, performance will become exceptional.

Logomotph said:
I run stock JB with Matr1x. It works very very well.
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Not to mention it only uses 368 mb of them. If it used the full 512, it would be pretty nice
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That can be tweaked a bit with different kernels.

I am running XenonHD 9 + marmite 4.2 kernel. It's stable and smooth. Worth a try.

ICS or GB?

I want to know from you guys the experience of using GB and ICS roms, so which one is stable for you as a daily driver.

ICS has come a long way for our phone,and I'd say it gives really good performance now. I especially liked MIUIv4 port,which works like a charm. And ICS based ROMs are almost bug free now, I can use tethering, camera etc without any problems. Gingerbread is also really good, but I have to say ICS is more aesthetically pleasing, and I feel no need to go back to GB based ROMs.

I agree, the ICS based ROMs are the best right now. There are new ROMs based on Jelly Bean (Cyanogen Mod 10 Unofficial) that, from my experience, are as stable as you could ask for our phone, but it's also having problems with Google Apps. Definitely go for the ICS ROMs though; they run faster, look better, and have more features when compared to the stock ROM or lower grade Cyanogenm Mod ROMs.

Gb is stable whereas ICS unstable bcoz of hq vdo lag
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Any thing which ICS can but GB can't???.................Nothing!

> obviously ginger bread

U'll feel d lag after sometime....battery backup not dat good.....ics is not perfect......apps run well on GB.
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myawan said:
Any thing which ICS can but GB can't???..................Nothing!
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ICS has got a fantastic apps, a way better interface and more. If you don't mind doesn't working YouTube and camcorder ICS is for you
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I tried ICS for a while but got a frequent bug where my screen went dead every now and then. The System kept on running but with no display. Some people mentioned that it is a known bug with no solution except to reboot phone every time. So I went back to GB another member told me he set he processor mix and Max values to something like 420-600ish and it seemed to fix the problem. So I guess ICS does not support overclocking on the P500. I've been thinking to try it for myself but I'm lazy and GB works fine.
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Im looking for gud ICS roms...But still no good rom....I still prefer neko95s' ginger snap and CM7.2 they are still best on race..

The lack of HQ YouTube and video is unfortunately a deal breaker for me, so it's Gingerbread for me right now. Fix that and I'll happily switch to ICS in a heartbeat.
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I use ics, but I rather come back to GB this week. Battery life is shorter than on gb and i can' t watch yt videos .

> ics is good, jellybean is better, both are fantastic if only we met hardware requirements , read my signiture.. you'll find the fastest rom ever for Optimus one, just click on the link

What makes me choose gingerbread over ics is mainly due to the battery life. On gingerbread with my usage, I can probably squeeze out two days of battery life. With that same usage on ics, I get less than a day. And as a moderate gamer, kernels matter a lot to me; the gingerbread kernels give me more performance than any ics kernel. Also sucks to have choppy video recording and playback
But the one thing that I like about ics is that it is aesthetically pleasing (but that is the only pro)

GB is battery friendly ICS sucks
try oxygen rom You cant customize like CM but....very good battery life:good:

Though I have a derivative device (LS670, the Optimus One for Sprint), I've run both GB and ICS and found a lot of good, stable, well supported ROMs that get great battery life. If you're doing heavy use, you'll likely get slightly better battery life out of a GB ROM, but I find the customization options and overall aesthetic of ICS to be much better.
In the end, it comes down to preference. ICS Roms are hot right now, but JB is on the rise, and I hear some people manage to get a day or two out of JB as well.
We shall see.

Apps are better in ICS
The gmail app is way too better in ICS. I like the widgets too.. Can't seem to go back to GB. Missing the aesthetics of ICS a lot..!

That's a question that will have many different opinions. Most of my devices I've had was running 2.2 and 2.3 (CM7). I have little experience with 4.0/CM10 but I am getting use to 4.1.
If you want your phone to be very easy and simple to use I would recommend 2.3. If you just use your phone for calls and texts and some web browsing then 2.3 is for you IMO. 2.3 just has a really simple layout that its just so easy to use and it runs very smooth on the optimus v. ICS is a lot more customizable and has more bells and whistles. But in the end, it just depends what your looking to get out of your device
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If u r looking for a longer battery life, GB and if not ICS! Its that simple. And also hephappy s final 9.1.1 is very simple and handy and easy to use ICS Rom.. Not much customization hassels.. great ics Rom indeed..
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If you want good battey life +hq video playback then straightway go for gsnap2.2 rom.
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[Q] Are you satisfied with your Android 4.2 experience?

Hi guys, there's a lot of 4.2 ROMs floating around the forum at the moment and I've tried them all. Unfortunately, I feel like I can never get the same level of buttery smoothness as I have in 4.1.2. Even the AOSP 4.2 ROM in the forum doesn't give me the same level of user experience as in the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm using now. And I'm not talking about features or bugs, I'm talking about the overall experience of using it, like browsing, scrolling through lists like in Instagram or xda, dropped frames, etc.
Just to be clear, I'm not trolling. I just wanted to know if I'm really the only one who feels that unlike in previous versions, 4.2.1 is truly not made for the Nexus S. Let me know what you think below.
Cheers!
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Somewhat I do agree BUT we can bring all that smoothness back pretty much easily

DJBhardwaj said:
Somewhat I do agree BUT we can bring all that smoothness back pretty much easily
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Can you site an example on how we can do that? I've tried all of the currently available 4.2 ROMs and they just feel clunky compared to 4.1.2. Even the recent apps list appear faster and with less stutter in 4.1.2.
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Once we are done with solving all the bugs, we can work on patches to remove lags.

Probably because 4.2 is just a port.
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apatal said:
Hi guys, there's a lot of 4.2 ROMs floating around the forum at the moment and I've tried them all. Unfortunately, I feel like I can never get the same level of buttery smoothness as I have in 4.1.2. Even the AOSP 4.2 ROM in the forum doesn't give me the same level of user experience as in the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm using now. And I'm not talking about features or bugs, I'm talking about the overall experience of using it, like browsing, scrolling through lists like in Instagram or xda, dropped frames, etc.
Just to be clear, I'm not trolling. I just wanted to know if I'm really the only one who feels that unlike in previous versions, 4.2.1 is truly not made for the Nexus S. Let me know what you think below.
Cheers!
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4.2 is a port and way more than what Nexus S was designed to handle. Still, I found it really snappy and only sipping battery compared to 4.1 and even CM10. Only multitasking chokes it, but that can't be helped.

sumeshpremraj said:
4.2 is a port and way more than what Nexus S was designed to handle. Still, I found it really snappy and only sipping battery compared to 4.1 and even CM10. Only multitasking chokes it, but that can't be helped.
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You are really unaware of what NS can handle.
My 2 years old LG Optimus One P500; an MDPI ARMv6 arch device which comes with froyo and can only be updated to GB runs on smooth JB.
NS is way far more capable than that and in the coming future we will prove that too. :victory:

apatal said:
Hi guys, there's a lot of 4.2 ROMs floating around the forum at the moment and I've tried them all. Unfortunately, I feel like I can never get the same level of buttery smoothness as I have in 4.1.2. Even the AOSP 4.2 ROM in the forum doesn't give me the same level of user experience as in the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm using now. And I'm not talking about features or bugs, I'm talking about the overall experience of using it, like browsing, scrolling through lists like in Instagram or xda, dropped frames, etc.
Just to be clear, I'm not trolling. I just wanted to know if I'm really the only one who feels that unlike in previous versions, 4.2.1 is truly not made for the Nexus S. Let me know what you think below.
Cheers!
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I was happy with JellyShot 0.8 for couple days then with Vanilla 4.1.2 which I used since release, used the same kernel. I tried couple 4.2 for the NS, but everyone felt clunky until JellyShot, I also loved the quick toggles and MMS features.
But I feel you, since 4.1.1 Google images behaved very well and smoother then AOSP compiled stuff.

apatal said:
Unfortunately, I feel like I can never get the same level of buttery smoothness as I have in 4.1.2. Even the AOSP 4.2 ROM in the forum doesn't give me the same level of user experience as in the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm using now.
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Same here. I tried greenblue's AOSP 4.2.1 and like the "new features", but I always return back to the stock 4.1.2 ROM. It feels more robust somehow, even with the same kernel.

I´m running on Rasbeanjelly 4.2.1 since it comes out and i´m very satisified with it. I expected nothing more of the Nexus S but i love to hear that there will possibly be improvements in future.

For the last couple of days I've been flashing my device with various roms. 4.2.1. mostly. Everytime I flashed a new rom which was supposed to be smooth fast and super nice it turned out it was slow, sluggish, choppy and not working as a smartphone should. Crt animation is ****ty among every 4.2. Rom i tried. It's delayed, slow and not in the right pace. Lockscreen does not work properly. Scrolling through the lockscreen is laggy. Quick settings are sometimes laggy. I just hate to say it but I think 4.2.1. is really not meant for the nexus s. I just returned to vanilla rom with minimum modifications (flohimself rom) and I love what I see. Everything is fast, fluent and working properly
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Yeah. Same experience here. I guess you can't just beat the experience in using actual AOSP ROMs with all sources and proprietary binaries available. Still, appreciate the efforts of all the devs who have been trying to keep our humble device in the cutting edge... even if said edge is a bit dull at the moment.
Still I want to remain optimistic that things will only get better in the future in terms of the 4.2 ROMs.
What do you guys think? Could we achieve the same level of user experience of a 100% AOSP ROM even without Google's support?
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apatal said:
Yeah. Same experience here. I guess you can't just beat the experience in using actual AOSP ROMs with all sources and proprietary binaries available. Still, appreciate the efforts of all the devs who have been trying to keep our humble device in the cutting edge... even if said edge is a bit dull at the moment.
Still I want to remain optimistic that things will only get better in the future in terms of the 4.2 ROMs.
What do you guys think? Could we achieve the same level of user experience of a 100% AOSP ROM even without Google's support?
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I think we can :victory:

I thought that everything is possible. But the more i use my phone the more I think that the stock firmware is simply the best for it. The more new features the faster your phone will become sluggish and unbearably slow. I've been on cm10 for a while and I thought it was fast. I was wrong. I'm now typing from a vanilla rom and that's the way it should be. I just wonder how long will my phone be so fast and snappy. Maybe after couple of days it will become as slow as the other roms leaving me with the opininion that android is simply crap? what do you think?

thanks to all dev for 4.2.1 rom !!!

You all should use a HTC Hero for a week and you'd realize that your phone runs great. If your phone runs so poorly on 4.0+ it's probably you because I see enough people say their phone flies. 4.2 is a bit clunky, but it's also a port. A port takes time to get the kinks out. I thought 4.2 actually ran fine. But I also had a click and wait hero and Windows Mobile phones before this. The lock screen is the main fail on it for a variety of reasons. Some apps are definitely not optimized for 4.2 as well. Beyond that it seems fine. It will get better. I've already had to suffer through this on so many phones, just be patient.
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apatal said:
Yeah. Same experience here. I guess you can't just beat the experience in using actual AOSP ROMs with all sources and proprietary binaries available. Still, appreciate the efforts of all the devs who have been trying to keep our humble device in the cutting edge... even if said edge is a bit dull at the moment.
Still I want to remain optimistic that things will only get better in the future in terms of the 4.2 ROMs.
What do you guys think? Could we achieve the same level of user experience of a 100% AOSP ROM even without Google's support?
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Unfortunately using actual AOSP ROMs will always be better, so everything based on 4.2 will always be less than 4.1.2. I am using the great 4.2.1 ROMs here and enjoying them but they are less than using actual AOSP ROMs.
A reality we have to accept since our beloved NS has been dropped by Google...

dpeeps74 said:
You all should use a HTC Hero for a week and you'd realize that your phone runs great. If your phone runs so poorly on 4.0+ it's probably you because I see enough people say their phone flies. 4.2 is a bit clunky, but it's also a port. A port takes time to get the kinks out. I thought 4.2 actually ran fine. But I also had a click and wait hero and Windows Mobile phones before this. The lock screen is the main fail on it for a variety of reasons. Some apps are definitely not optimized for 4.2 as well. Beyond that it seems fine. It will get better. I've already had to suffer through this on so many phones, just be patient.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I think my phone runs great, especially with the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm running right now. This is also the reason why I believe my complaints with 4.2 ROMs are not because of "me", as you say. Because if I do cause the poor performance on my phone, I would experience the same issues regardless of what ROM I am using, which, as I mentioned before, is not the case. < via xda app>

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I thought that everything is possible. But the more i use my phone the more I think that the stock firmware is simply the best for it. The more new features the faster your phone will become sluggish and unbearably slow. I've been on cm10 for a while and I thought it was fast. I was wrong. I'm now typing from a vanilla rom and that's the way it should be. I just wonder how long will my phone be so fast and snappy. Maybe after couple of days it will become as slow as the other roms leaving me with the opininion that android is simply crap? what do you think?
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I think that's why we're on a nexus device, to get the pure Google experience. The only thing the nexus s needs that's not stock it's backlight notifications, and the gnex solved it with the notification led. Let's just admit that this is an old phone, and the nexus 4 is probably where we should head towards. Probably won't find anything for such a great deal for a while. It'll last us as few years for sure.
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apatal said:
Oh don't get me wrong, I think my phone runs great, especially with the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm running right now. This is also the reason why I believe my complaints with 4.2 ROMs are not because of "me", as you say. Because if I do cause the poor performance on my phone, I would experience the same issues regardless of what ROM I am using, which, as I mentioned before, is not the case. < via xda app>
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It wasn't intended as a dig. There are several people though that report 4.2 running fine. This would tend to indicate that there would be something specific to what a user does that would cause the phone to run in a way that made it unbearable. Typically that will be related to some specific application(s) causing an issue due to not being updated. Most problems I saw with 4.2 were very similar to what I saw when we got ics before many apps ever updated and some never did and I'd imagine there are still people using apps that haven't been updated since gb. Definitely 4.2 is nowhere near perfect on our phones though and is running very much like a port and they clearly lagged some stuff up.
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Reasons why Stay away From Ice Cream and Jelly Bean Customs Roms

Reasons Why
1- Battery Life, your phone drain the battery very quickly, i tried many ICS and Jelly Bean roms and all of them the same thing with battery.
2- Phone perfomances, theses rom slowdown your systems.
3- Wifi signal is really poor, i did everything to get my signal strong as GingerBread was, but nothing works.
4- Unstable system, sometimes you have randoms reboots. No Matter what rom you use.
The best rom for this phone is GingerBread(Custom or Stock) until now, cause all those custom of Jelly Bean and Ice Cream, have many bugs.
So think about it before you flash ICS OR Jelly Bean. i have to use [Heimdall][One-Click] to go back, since i go back to GingerBread everything is back to normal.
My phone now is rooted, custom recovery and Stock GingerBread 2.3.6 the perfect combination for me now.
REMEMBER THIS JUST ON T959V..

1) Depends on your settings mostly. Some people have gotten >6 days battery out of ICS.
2) Mine is WAY faster than GB. This is in line with most people's results as well.
3) The wifi is actually the same strength. Bars show lower, because GB lied. Change it to dB and you'll see.
4) Your battery is dying. Not ICS/JB fault that you have faulty hardware.
Good that you like GB though. Have fun.

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It seems like u have just wake up from a long sleep from the cave my friend.. you cannot justify that some of the ICS and JB roms we have all of the bad
things you have mentioned. i am currently on ICS AOKP which for me the close to stock and stable ICS. i can agree with you about JB which just arrive
in this phone not so long ago on which our great dev's are still looking for solution for some major problem exist..
Its your choice to stay on what you think its good for you and what you think the best choice. Not all of us here may agree with your statement right now
because some of the people here already jumping into JB.. I hope you can search a little more to find out on how to provide a good and stable rom for your
phone rather that whining the bad things you have experience..

I'm on ICS and haven't experienced 1 random reboot in a year, while I had many on GB. Memory management and availability is far superior compares to GB and Wifi strength seems the same. Battery is the same unless you have a dying battery which is possible.
P.S what's your point?
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LOL, i never got any on ICS, but I did on GB and JB, but on JB, I only get one once every month or two, so I don't mind.

Everyone who says they get crappy battery life needs to spend a week with a rom not installing anything else that didn't come with the phone. It'll be a good experiment. You'll get to see how much random apps drain your phone's battery with so many wakelocks, etc.
Again, if you wanna see your phone get great battery life on ICS/JB, DON'T INSTALL ANY APPS for a week.

I wonder if people with bad battery life use GPS. I noticed on ICS that once I use GPS no matter with what program the phone goes unstable and sometimes starts to discharge rapidly. The GPS is flaky at best anyway, once it would start, next time it wouldn't, no real pattern to it and nothing interesting in the logs. I found that after using it it's better to reboot right away to avoid troubles.

I don't experience any of the problems you seem to address on Cyanogenmod 9.

way-to-go on the discouragement... so sad, then next week you'll be asking why development is slow.
the energy used to create this thread would have been better spent discussing what makes android great (freedom, freedom to choose the rom off your choice) without being biased by disgruntled users.
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QUIETLYloud said:
way-to-go on the discouragement... so sad, then next week you'll be asking why development is slow.
the energy used to create this thread would have been better spent discussing what makes android great (freedom, freedom to choose the rom off your choice) without being biased by disgruntled users.
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I just saying that thoses ics and jellybean customs rom most of them have the problem i wrote before but on T959V cause this is a lowend phone it is just 512mb of ram thats too low for ICS and JellyBean.
Im not saying anything bad about android, because android is and will be the best os for smartphones, all my devices are android.
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xtreme2020 said:
I just saying that thoses ics and jellybean customs rom most of them have the problem i wrote before but on T959V cause this is a lowend phone it is just 512mb of ram thats too low for ICS and JellyBean.
Im not saying anything bad about android, because android is and will be the best os for smartphones, all my devices are android.
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Slim JB is like 85MB. the 512MB is no problem for that. And it's fast. Faster than GB ever was.

xtreme2020 said:
I just saying that thoses ics and jellybean customs rom most of them have the problem i wrote before but on T959V cause this is a lowend phone it is just 512mb of ram thats too low for ICS and JellyBean.
Im not saying anything bad about android, because android is and will be the best os for smartphones, all my devices are android.
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Except that the issues you listed are just plain wrong. They either aren't true, or are due to something else. As I broke down your reasons points by point earlier, they're either due to bad hardware (your battery, 2 of the reasons you gave), bad software (your programs sucking down the battery and making the hardware worse), GB/Samsung lying (showing more Wifi bars to make you think it has a better signal strength even when the dB is the same), or bad scheduler/governor choices.
And then you present this as truth... note the title you gave it. Reasons why Stay away From.... not Reasons why I Stay away From. Your presentation is either useless... we don't really care why you don't like it for yourself; we're not judging you if you go back to GB... or worse, demotivational for the developers doing the actual work. If you have something useful to share with the class, do it. This doesn't qualify. And if you don't want to get judged, you'll do much better if you aren't blaming the developers for your dying battery.

getochkn said:
Slim JB is like 85MB. the 512MB is no problem for that. And it's fast. Faster than GB ever was.
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I used slim and it was very buggy, battery drain and poor wifi was the main problem.

xtreme2020 said:
I used slim and it was very buggy, battery drain and poor wifi was the main problem.
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Wifi isn't officially working on the latest Slim, so not sure what one you tried. I only managed to get wifi working for 4.2.2 last night, so it wasn't that one, and a lot of the JB rom's released are early stages. My point was that JB runs fine on our phone CPU and limited space.

Theraze said:
Except that the issues you listed are just plain wrong. They either aren't true, or are due to something else. As I broke down your reasons points by point earlier, they're either due to bad hardware (your battery, 2 of the reasons you gave), bad software (your programs sucking down the battery and making the hardware worse), GB/Samsung lying (showing more Wifi bars to make you think it has a better signal strength even when the dB is the same), or bad scheduler/governor choices.
And then you present this as truth... note the title you gave it. Reasons why Stay away From.... not Reasons why I Stay away From. Your presentation is either useless... we don't really care why you don't like it for yourself; we're not judging you if you go back to GB... or worse, demotivational for the developers doing the actual work. If you have something useful to share with the class, do it. This doesn't qualify. And if you don't want to get judged, you'll do much better if you aren't blaming the developers for your dying battery.
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You are so wrong , cause since i go back to GB , i dont have none of the problem i write before....... Thats my opinion if you want to use it i dont care.. i just alerting new users....
If im lying why some developers said that still has no found an answer for the poor wifi or simply look most of the ics and jellybean custom rom post and you will find thousand of users describing what i saying...... I also opened a post describing my problems and no one could answered...
I'm not discouraging developers, I am encouraging them to do a better job.
I thanks to all them for the great job that they made...

I have no problems with you presenting your anecdotal experiences.
I have MAJOR issues with you presenting your impressions of what's happening as truth for new users who don't understand that you're causing your own issues. This is XDA developers, not XDA noobs. If you don't understand why you're causing your own issues, at a certain point there's nothing we can do to help you understand.
I also have issues with you implying that the unpaid developers suck and should just do better work. But hey, I'll try to leave you with your opinions.
Just please... in the future... try to make it VERY clear that you're presenting your opinions, not anything that other people should actually use to make their decisions.
Your experiences? Not in synch with the people who don't install broken programs or who read OPs and the like. Why? Who knows. But people will hopefully make their own decisions based on their phone and how they use it, not based on a "This is why you, the newbie, should avoid JB/ICS" post.

getochkn said:
Wifi isn't officially working on the latest Slim, so not sure what one you tried. I only managed to get wifi working for 4.2.2 last night, so it wasn't that one, and a lot of the JB rom's released are early stages. My point was that JB runs fine on our phone CPU and limited space.
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i tried slim 4.1.2 , was a bad experience......

xtreme you like gingerbread? You should try Froyo. Who knows you might start a movement. Lol

hechoen said:
xtreme you like gingerbread? You should try Froyo. Who knows you might start a movement. Lol
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No i like most Jelly bean, it s a shame my phone is slow with jellybean....
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xtreme2020 said:
No i like most Jelly bean, it s a shame my phone is slow with jellybean....
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You're obviously doing something wrong if gingerbread is smoother than jellybean. Come back when you learn how to flash a rom correctly