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Why the Tegra2 shouldn't keep you from the Nexus S.

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I'm sick of hearing people cry omg Tegra2 awesome. NO. It's great, but it's not going to make the Hummingbird obsolete. The Hummingbird has a better GPU. Balance it out and you get unnoticeable performance gains from a Tegra2. Not to mention the Tegra2 phones are coming out with Froyo which simply put doesn't have dual core optimizations, so in the end, it might even be SLOWER than the Nexus S.
What you should be waiting for is the Snapdragon and OMAP dual cores as well as the Orion. But these won't be out for a while, so why not get the Nexus S?
It's either or in this case. Don't choose a Tegra2 phone because it's a Tegra2. Choose it because it is the right phone you want, that will get upgades when you want, and is on the right carrier you want. Get a Tegra2 or a Hummingbird, that's all I have to say. They're about equal.
Just sick of the overpraise that the Tegra2 gets when we already have that power in the Nexus S.
NVIDIA - they went from ARM11 (Tegra 1) to Cortex A9 (Tegra 2), skipping Cortex A8 design altogether. Tegra 2's CPU core will be competitive but its GPU appears to be weaker than even PowerVR SGX540. Heck, even Qualcomm's Adreno 205 may outperform this GPU. On the plus side, Tegra 2 is already available on the market NOW, and smartphones based on Tegra 2 will appear during Q4 of 2010. (Read this article for more details on Tegra 2). Samsung, LG and Motorola have announced their intention of producing phones based on Tegra 2 so far.
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Power SGX540 = Hummingbird.
By no means am I saying to not get a Tegra2. All I'm saying is to not avoid the Hummingbird because you think the Tegra2 is that much better or something.

Right on anderoid! Love hummingbird but I think I must have something wrong inside me. Kind off topic but I've had a siezure before and some epileptics electromagnetic field messes up semsitive electronics. After my workhorse 2 year old g1 I've had about 16 phones since then. 6 vibrants, 4 mytouch4g and warrantying my 5th and soon to be 6th sns. Granted not all problems have been pure hardware but these bleeding edge phones seem to be either fragile or sensitive.
That said, I love the nexus s. I loved humingbird in my vibrant and the awesome codecs but rfs and touchwiz and lag fixes drove me nuts. The nexus s on paper is amazing. Once you skin the outside or put a case, the scratch issue is pretty null and its such a clean beautiful phone. Cheap feeling? My ass. And it doesn't look anything like an iphone. The speed and battery life of hummingbird is amazing. Once google polishes gingerbread, especially gpu drivers or apps that jive better with it, I think people will regret passing it over. I've never had any slowdowns with it and dungeon defenders with no hacks or oc runs flawless.
Tegra 2 might turn out amazing but after tegra one was such a non starter (did it even make it into a phone?) And the gpu (nvidias pc meat and potatoes) not being as strong as an 8+ mo hummingbird, it seems to be a very short lived "king" if it amounts to that. I might end up very wrong but we will have to see what they bring when they finally go retail. The fact that the atrix needs a 1900mah battery scares me a bit. Maybe its needed for the extra ram and motoblur stuff, or extra resolution, but does anyone else not think it will get better battery life than the iphone4 or even the sns?
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If you're that desperate for a Tegra branded chip, hang onto your Nexus S until next Christmas and go for a quad core Tegra 3...

Jayrod1980 said:
Right on anderoid! Love hummingbird but I think I must have something wrong inside me. Kind off topic but I've had a siezure before and some epileptics electromagnetic field messes up semsitive electronics. After my workhorse 2 year old g1 I've had about 16 phones since then. 6 vibrants, 4 mytouch4g and warrantying my 5th and soon to be 6th sns. Granted not all problems have been pure hardware but these bleeding edge phones seem to be either fragile or sensitive.
That said, I love the nexus s. I loved humingbird in my vibrant and the awesome codecs but rfs and touchwiz and lag fixes drove me nuts. The nexus s on paper is amazing. Once you skin the outside or put a case, the scratch issue is pretty null and its such a clean beautiful phone. Cheap feeling? My ass. And it doesn't look anything like an iphone. The speed and battery life of hummingbird is amazing. Once google polishes gingerbread, especially gpu drivers or apps that jive better with it, I think people will regret passing it over. I've never had any slowdowns with it and dungeon defenders with no hacks or oc runs flawless.
Tegra 2 might turn out amazing but after tegra one was such a non starter (did it even make it into a phone?) And the gpu (nvidias pc meat and potatoes) not being as strong as an 8+ mo hummingbird, it seems to be a very short lived "king" if it amounts to that. I might end up very wrong but we will have to see what they bring when they finally go retail. The fact that the atrix needs a 1900mah battery scares me a bit. Maybe its needed for the extra ram and motoblur stuff, or extra resolution, but does anyone else not think it will get better battery life than the iphone4 or even the sns?
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THANK YOU, WELL SAID...I was explaining this to someone the other day and it just wasnt making sense to them for som reason

Well you have the right spirit but little miss informed. What you fail to see is it has dual die so 2 proc thread can run each at 1ghz compared to 1 die 1ghz. I love how Samsung folks always has to bring the GPU in it whats your point? SGX540 is slightly by very small margin wins against Adreno 205. So does that mean NS can hold its ground with MT4G it has better GPU following your argument? No why due to higher memory that is allocated at faster speed.
But I myself would be waiting for Qualcomm to deploy dualcore for me thats when its serious business. Far as Samsung device goes it is already obsolete this is not rant of any from if you want to be head in the Tech world then you better have money for the changes which you will be required every 4-6months.

Jayrod1980 said:
Right on anderoid! Love hummingbird but I think I must have something wrong inside me. Kind off topic but I've had a siezure before and some epileptics electromagnetic field messes up semsitive electronics. After my workhorse 2 year old g1 I've had about 16 phones since then. 6 vibrants, 4 mytouch4g and warrantying my 5th and soon to be 6th sns. Granted not all problems have been pure hardware but these bleeding edge phones seem to be either fragile or sensitive.
That said, I love the nexus s. I loved humingbird in my vibrant and the awesome codecs but rfs and touchwiz and lag fixes drove me nuts. The nexus s on paper is amazing. Once you skin the outside or put a case, the scratch issue is pretty null and its such a clean beautiful phone. Cheap feeling? My ass. And it doesn't look anything like an iphone. The speed and battery life of hummingbird is amazing. Once google polishes gingerbread, especially gpu drivers or apps that jive better with it, I think people will regret passing it over. I've never had any slowdowns with it and dungeon defenders with no hacks or oc runs flawless.
Tegra 2 might turn out amazing but after tegra one was such a non starter (did it even make it into a phone?) And the gpu (nvidias pc meat and potatoes) not being as strong as an 8+ mo hummingbird, it seems to be a very short lived "king" if it amounts to that. I might end up very wrong but we will have to see what they bring when they finally go retail. The fact that the atrix needs a 1900mah battery scares me a bit. Maybe its needed for the extra ram and motoblur stuff, or extra resolution, but does anyone else not think it will get better battery life than the iphone4 or even the sns?
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Don't get me wrong, I love my Nexus S. Having had an Epic and an Evo I can easily say this is the most powerful phone I've ever owned; a fact that the people in the epic IRC like to try and dispute as we've established a stable 1.5GHz OC and they've never gone over 1.2GHz.
I love the graphics power it possesses and I definitely love that my friends with iPhones get jealous of how gorgeous the screen is and how blazingly fast the phone runs, even bone stock. However, I do have a few qualms:
I remember when the Nexus one came out. I still had a dumbphone but I had started looking at phones to get and then I found the Nexus One. It was by and large the most powerful phone on the market, nothing else even came close. Being on T-Mobile had given me access to the HTC Dream (G1) and the HTC Magic (MyTouch 3G) and neither of those phones were even close to what the Nexus One could do. Sadly, I was on a family plan and I couldn't afford to buy it off contract so I settled for a MT3G.
The memory of it faded and I had a chance to get off of my Family Plan on T-Mobile and join my wife on Sprint (who were going to be getting the Epic 4G) so I did it. Of course, it was a massive upgrade from my MT3G but I never particularly liked it. Eventually, I traded my Epic for an Evo and it was great. Not as fast or as powerful but I still quite enjoyed it. Then again, I had a chance to leave Sprint (I'd been very unhappy with them from the start) so I went back to T-Mobile and having read a little about the Nexus S I decided to buy one for both myself and my wife.
Again, don't get me wrong, I absolutely love it and so does my wife, but really when it comes down to brass tacks the Nexus S is pretty much a Vibrant without TouchWiz and with a NFC chip and a LED flash. The 'WOW' factor I had with the original Nexus just isn't there.
Is there anything wrong with the Hummingbird chip? Absolutely not. Its the most powerful processor in any phone on the market in the US without a doubt. But the Nexus line, to me, should be the pinnacle of Android performance. It should be the shining example of what the platform can do and where its going (like the Nexus One did with the Snapdragon and its eventual acceptance into most high-performance phones) and not feel like a re-badged five month old phone even if that phone is one of the best on the market. Had Samsung held off a little bit and made the Nexus S a dual-core phone I think it would easily usurp the Motorola Atrix from its lofty throne but as it stands it feels (and seems to be selling) like an afterthought.
Now, I'm still on the fence about these Tegra2 phones. Of course the gadget-whore in me wants to run out and buy one but the sensible part of me wants to see how they run and see how badly they eat battery life (as I'm sure no one can dispute they will). Will I eventually get one? Its more than likely, but I can't say when as I'm pretty happy with the Nexus S and I really like that updates are pushed out from Google and not a carrier or a manufacturer focused on selling more new handsets and less on supporting the ones they've already sold. Only time will tell.
That's just my two cents though.

I typically buy every new phone that comes out to try them and see if I liked it more them my blackberry bold 9700.. I would always end up selling them on ebay bc I didn't find much to love about them (i.e.- g2, vibrant, mt3g, g1 etc), after buying the nexus s, I was hooked. I had a nexus 1 for about two months and then sold that. It cracks me up to hear all the people already downing this nexus s. this phone is solid. I won't be switching to another phone unless it is pure google, no sense or touch whiz, and accompanies higher data speeds. A dual core would be nice , but until that happens, my nexus s is what I'm sticking with!
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The simple fact is Tegra 2 and the Hummingbird wont stand a chance against Qualcomms dual core processors. Android at this point in time is more optimised for Qualcomm and being an owner of the Desire HD and Nexus S i can tell you the desire HD is much smoother even with its HTC Sense bloatware. But i can't stand waiting for updates so i gave it to my sister. But my advice would be don't get any Tegra 2 devices and just wait for the big guns (qualcomm)!

nice GPU is nice, but GPU is mostly for games......for kids....you kids wanna play some games, get yourself an xbox or some ****....

bratfink said:
The simple fact is Tegra 2 and the Hummingbird wont stand a chance against Qualcomms dual core processors. Android at this point in time is more optimised for Qualcomm and being an owner of the Desire HD and Nexus S i can tell you the desire HD is much smoother even with its HTC Sense bloatware. But i can't stand waiting for updates so i gave it to my sister. But my advice would be don't get any Tegra 2 devices and just wait for the big guns (qualcomm)!
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Agreed, as when Qualcomm drops it thats when you know its serious business. Terga2 for the time being will hold the crown and make no mistake Hummingbird does not stand a chance against it.

Orion is going to be the fastest duel core chipset in 2011. The cpu can clock close to 2 ghz per core. Will have the same features that Qualcomms have that allow high linpack benchmarks (but not real world improvements). The hummingbird has always been the faster cpu atthe same mhz then Qualcomms cpus. Orion chipset is using a quad core gpu that performs better then xbox 360 gpu. I can not find any duel core that out performs these specs.

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shep211 said:
Orion is going to be the fastest duel core chipset in 2011. The cpu can clock close to 2 ghz per core. Will have the same features that Qualcomms have that allow high linpack benchmarks (but not real world improvements). The hummingbird has always been the faster cpu atthe same mhz then Qualcomms cpus. Orion chipset is using a quad core gpu that performs better then xbox 360 gpu. I can not find any duel core that out performs these specs.
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Wait? The hummingbird has always been faster cpu at the same Mz then a Qualcomm? Lets think about where your getting that idea..
The Hummingbird deffinitly outperforms the Nexus 1, Htc Desire etc etc which btw are all 1st gen yet i agree have the same 1Ghz clock speed. But still in cpu extensive tasks the 1st gen qualcomms are still not that far behind. Looking at the 2nd gen qualcomms however such as the HTC Desire HD we see the cpu out performing the Hummingbird and only been let down my an extremely marginal difference in the GPU performance. So forget about spec sheets and look at real world usage. Grab yourself a HTC Desire HD with a gingerbread rom (what i had) and a Nexus S and see for your self which wins. Im sorry but Samsung are ****, Google is the only good thing about the Nexus S, but thats good enough for me.

shep211 said:
Orion is going to be the fastest duel core chipset in 2011. The cpu can clock close to 2 ghz per core. Will have the same features that Qualcomms have that allow high linpack benchmarks (but not real world improvements). The hummingbird has always been the faster cpu atthe same mhz then Qualcomms cpus. Orion chipset is using a quad core gpu that performs better then xbox 360 gpu. I can not find any duel core that out performs these specs.
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honestly i always thought that the first gen snapdragon, such as the nexus one, outperformed the current hummingbird CPU in a lot of certain types of computational tasks/tests. cpu vs cpu, its very close, the hummingbird doesnt have that much of an advantage. it does have a much better GPU, which is where it shines.
so i'd imagine if the first gen snapdragon is nearly matching current hummingbird, then imagine what second gen snapdragon dual core, smaller die, will do. (i understand hummingbird dual will also come out, but just saying it will still be close).

RogerPodacter said:
honestly i always thought that the first gen snapdragon, such as the nexus one, outperformed the current hummingbird CPU in a lot of certain types of computational tasks/tests. cpu vs cpu, its very close, the hummingbird doesnt have that much of an advantage. it does have a much better GPU, which is where it shines.
so i'd imagine if the first gen snapdragon is nearly matching current hummingbird, then imagine what second gen snapdragon dual core, smaller die, will do. (i understand hummingbird dual will also come out, but just saying it will still be close).
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The second-gen snapdragon is the processor in the G2 and the Evo Shift 4G, isn't it?

shep211 said:
Orion is going to be the fastest duel core chipset in 2011. The cpu can clock close to 2 ghz per core. Will have the same features that Qualcomms have that allow high linpack benchmarks (but not real world improvements). The hummingbird has always been the faster cpu atthe same mhz then Qualcomms cpus. Orion chipset is using a quad core gpu that performs better then xbox 360 gpu. I can not find any duel core that out performs these specs.
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Actually, to expand upon this, the Orion will have a Cortex A9 which actually has "the same features that Qualcomms have that allow high linpack benchmarks," along with more features not found in the Snapdragon.
To be more specific, the Snapdragon has elements of speculative execution with branch prediction, which is most important area in which it differs from the Cortex A8 reference design. This causes its floating point performance (very important in 3D calculations) to be very high. Unfortunately for Qualcomm, though, even the Adreno 205 falls short in terms of performance. Thus, even though the Scorpion CPU core in the Snapdragon is better at 3D than the Hummingbird's Cortex A8, the Snapdragon's GPU is so castrated that it's much slower in games overall. As a side note, the Cortex A8 in the Hummingbird actually has 2 times the L2 cache compared to the reference A8 design.
The Cortex A9 in the Tegra 2, on the other hand, supports full out of order execution (in addition to speculative execution and branch prediction found in the Snapdragon's Scorpion CPU core). This yields roughly 25% higher IPC compared to the Cortex A8, which is why the CPU section of Tegra 2 benchmarks seem to be roughly that much faster than our Hummingbird. Benchmarks have been mixed for its GPU, as I pointed out here, though that could have been due to a higher screen resolution or immature drivers.
Bottom line is that while the CPU will be ~25% better per clock cycle than our Cortex A8 (when only using one core), its GPU is roughly on the same level--sometimes performing better, sometimes worse. Another thing to remember is that since the Hummingbird uses a PowerVR architecture, it is tile-based deferred rendering. This basically means that fillrate and memory bandwidth are much less of an issue than they are in traditional rendering methods.
What will differentiate Tegra 2 though (in my humble opinion) is software tailored for its strengths, which is what Tegra Zone will likely bring. Sure the Hummingbird's fast, and perhaps even better for GPU rendering, but the code optimized for the Tegra 2's GPU may perform better on a Tegra 2 than on our possibly-faster SGX 540.

Relax, just wait until all that Tegra 2 phones released.
Certainly there will be some reviews, comparisons, benchmarks, etc.
In the mean time, enjoy your Nexus S. It is fast enough for current apps that are available You don't need dual core to run Angry Birds
Then we can wait the next Nexus 3 !

kolyan said:
nice GPU is nice, but GPU is mostly for games......for kids....you kids wanna play some games, get yourself an xbox or some ****....
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Err what? GPU relates to the smoothness in transitions of the home screen, the smoothness of the browser, the smoothness of everything. It's not just about games good sir. Compare screen swiping with a live wallpaper on G2 vs Galaxy S on stock Launcher2 and prepare to see why GPU matters.
Or use a phone that doesn't even have a GPU. Like a Wildfire. Then throw it out the window.
Going further, you can't count Quadrant 3d scores on the Nexus S because it doesn't render properly due to Gingerbread incompatibility.
The other reason the Optimus 2x scores higher is the i/o part. If we do the same ext4 lagfix that is probably built into the 2x we get the same i/o as it, and about the same Quadrant, maybe a little lower due to the GPU not running properly ever on Quadrant with Gingerbread.
As for CPU, yes the Tegra2 will be better. It's an A9. However the differences will be subtle at best until the end of 2011 when things are optimized for the Tegra2, which by then both the Qualcomm and Orion god processors will be out.
As far as processing power between the Hummingbird and Snapdragon, it definitely is more powerful than the Nexus One's processor, and GPU knocks it off it's feet.
As for the 2nd gen Snapdragon vs Hummingbird, they're probably about equal processors. The GPU gives the Hummingbird the edge and you will notice it if you take a Live wallpaper and compare Launcher2.apk screen swipes on a G2 vs Nexus S. It is very nudgy on the G2, but smooth on Nexus S.
What causes the Snap Dragon to score so high in Linpack for instance is the FPU aka float processing unit which isn't really worth caring about when it comes to every day tasks.
But yes, the Tegra2 will definitely be a bit more powerful than the Hummingbird. But it won't be tons tons tons rapejob over 9000. This is why Google released the Nexus S with the Hummingbird without second thought.

kenvan19 said:
The second-gen snapdragon is the processor in the G2 and the Evo Shift 4G, isn't it?
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well yes, i was referring to the original snapdragon in the nexus one. i think the snapdragon in the G2 and evo shift is just the same snapdragon CPU with an improved GPU. so there's kinda 2 separate topics, CPU vs CPU, and then the GPU vs GPU. i believe the hummingbird and snapdragon CPU vs CPU is rather close, sometimes the snapdragon beats it, sometimes the hummingbird does. then add in the GPU, i believe the hummingbird GPU is better than the new snapddragon adreno. not sure by how much though.
but an example of why it's important for the GPU to actually be taken advantage of in code, the nexus s web browser doesnt seem to be using the GPU properly, so relying soley on CPU vs CPU, we see the nexus one perform BETTER on some types of web pages as the snapdragon seems to be either coded properly, or it is just better for those certain types of tasks. basically my opinion is snapdragon is a better CPU, but the hummingbird has the better GPU.

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The Nexus S really looks great, but I have doubts if I should really buy it when it's available in Germany/Austria or Switzerland...
The point is I start studying software development in the autumn 2011 and can't afford a new phone each year and would use the phone for about 2 years.
So my question is:
Will I have fun with this phone (as a developer) for the following 2 years or should I buy a more powerful phone?
Note: Currently I have a Nokia 5800 and I definitely want a new one because the bugs are annoying even with ported C6-Firmware it is not really satisfying...
thanks you very much!

Galaxy S2

Hey everyone.
I ran across this over at the GS2 forum.
This guy has one.
Check out his blog
http://domarmstrong.blogspot.com/
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Some pretty impressive numbers there, and a very complete selection of benchmarks.
Would seem like the CPU in the GS2 is at least 2x more powerful than the Hummingbird in ours. Also some impressive GPU numbers.
Thing is though... the original Galaxy S was like 6-8 months ahead of the curve in pretty much every facet of the device. Even now, no other device on the market can compare with the Super AMOLED screen. The Galaxy S2 however has some impressive specs, and a very cool looking (and very thin) package, but it doesn't feel like it's going to be the "step above the rest" that the original was.
Guess we'll see when it's actually released!

Not that it matters, but that's got to be some of the highest quadrants ever recorded.

That looks very promising. I could upgrade my cappy to that for sure. To date i have not seen anything worth upgrading to...

I wish it was a 4" screen. Wouldn't want a 4.3" one with that resolution (personally). Because I'm on a two year contract I'm hoping the Galaxy S3 is leaps and bounds above the S in display and processor technology... and comes in a 4" variant for battery savings.
It still looks cool though

SkitchBeatz said:
I wish it was a 4" screen. Wouldn't want a 4.3" one with that resolution (personally). Because I'm on a two year contract I'm hoping the Galaxy S3 is leaps and bounds above the S in display and processor technology... and comes in a 4" variant for battery savings.
It still looks cool though
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I'm really on the fence about it due to the screen size (for battery life, size of the handset) and the resolution. I may be able to live with the lack of resolution, but I'd have to see battery life numbers before I even think about swapping out my captivate.

Just got mine today very impressive and fast. Very responsive and thin.
Camera is brilliant and video recording wow best out there.

I was really looking forward to the galaxy s 2 but I am thinking its gonna be awhile before it is released. I find it hard to believe with the infuse on the way (but to the best of my knowledge also with out a release date) that samsung would cut their own throat by following the infuse with the galaxy s 2. I have been eligible for an update for awhile so I am thinking there is going to be allot of competition when it finally arrives. IMO samsung has really dropped the ball by not releasing here sooner, especially if it has to face the iphone 5. At this point it seems like the sgs 2 will be doa as the next killer phone if released in the fall.

that score in antutu is quite impressive! holy crap that's fast tegra 2's need to run at 1500 mhz to beat that!. the 3d benchmarks are likely heavily held back by a cap on the fps just like the captivate is already. i have gotten 491 points for 3d alone in antutu with a certain kernel and rom combo and that wasnt even with the gpu overclocked or fps cap removed like some of the vibrant kernels and old captivate 2.1 kernels. could do.
i want to see that thing run without any fps caps and some kernel tweaks! no overclocking.

I might upgrade next year. I think it's a good to give 6 months to a year before getting a top of the line handset.
That's enough for bugs to be noticed (and hopefully fixed), for community development to take off and for the apps to catch up with the new phone's technology. Correct me if I'm wrong, but right now the only apps that can take full advantage of the Sgs2 processors are benchmarks.
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For those interested, Engadget UK just posted a review of the Galaxy S 2:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/

SO gps works...
BRB preordering

Glad they put the USB at the bottom

yeah but is it using the same type of internal memory? that is the biggest bottleneck of any device or computer is the *hard drive*
the internal memory in current phones is single channel read OR write crap.
and please dont say ddr2 memory.... thats different and only helps a little in comparison to the issue with the storage memory

I think I'll just wait for what samsung promise to have a 2ghz dualcore nxtyr or later, I'm still in my 2yr contact though
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i like the coment at the end "best smart phone period!" says it all!
that said i am a little disapointed with the 3d performance of the dual core phones. though the tegra is a powerful application processor and the orion is fast beyond description the open gl performance isnt much beyond what the galaxys already does. was samsung just that far ahead in that area or is there power to be unlocked in these chipsets?

bri315317 said:
That looks very promising. I could upgrade my cappy to that for sure. To date i have not seen anything worth upgrading to...
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Why on earth would u want to upgrade to Galasy S2?
They have so much potential and best tech in screens, internal storage, cameras, processors, and good design builds in past YET lately they rush everything (unfinished drivers, bad gps, same 16GB internal but they could have 64 and average camera and cheap plastic to save on costs) so that they can copy iphone because they want some of their success. i personally hate iphone, but every other company copying them just drives apple to think they r the best.. and personally they did make the right choice on A5 to use powerVR543 because even dual VR 543 is faster than quad-core mali400, (big mistake for Samsung as mali400 alone is almost twice weaker than PowerVR 540 used in previous galaxy, which confirms in benchmarks) and NO 3D in galaxy S2 which puts LG optimus 3d and HTC evo 3D in front. and 3D is the future with more and more 3d movies out. and same wvga res that has been since winmo 6.0. sure u don't need the very highest res in a phone, but when u connect it to HDTV via hdmi u will have to rethink that, but then again does galaxy s2 even have HDMI?? On this site: http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys2/html/specification.htmldoesn't doesn't list hdmi or anything...
Here where things become worse building a phone with large surface area due to 4.27inch screen and full plastic yet copy iphone in trying to make as slim as possible makes it extremely breakable as the phone will slowly start bending over months as u keep it in ur pocket tightly while playing sports etc. This used to happen with motorola razer
And to top this off Android 2.3 DOES NOT fully support multiple cores, well it supports but doesn't take advantage till 3.0 honeycomb (or 3.1 for phones), so if samsung doesn't give u an update AGAIN, or rushes it out full of bugs like they did for galaxy s, ur phone will never see it's potential
And i also got a bit of info from a tweeter a few month back where it was said that samsung is working on quad-core processor for next year and chances are the next one will also be 3D. This goes well in line with guad-core Tegra 3 to be out this fall, and sony NGP already running quad-core.
Point is unlike galaxy S which had at least the best GPU on the market, Galaxy S2 doesn't have anything that stands out. Sure u have super amoled plus, but others will have higher res, and dual-core is MAINSTREAM now. And it will only be a matter of month before this phone be obliterated by it's succesor.
Also from the lawsuit that apple has recently put on samsung might force them to restart making innovative designs like they did prior "galaxy"

You're wrong in several different ways.
1- There's very little point in putting 64gb of storage on a phone. 16/32 internal + 16/32 sd card is way more than enough for me and for 99.9% of users;
2- Reviews of the sgs2 camera place it as one of the best in the market, not sure I'd call it average;
3- Apple's lawsuit is bs and I honestly doubt it will affect anything on the long run. Android and touch wiz are quite different from Ios in important ways;
4- Why do you need 3d on a phone? Where are the apps for it? Why would you watch a 3d movie on a 4.3 inch screen? It'd probably kill the battery before it was over. Maybe, it'll eventually offer some real world advantage, but right now it's just a gimmick;
5- The Sgs2 supports hdmi out via micro usb through mhl technology. Google it;
6- It's wrong to question the build quality and durability without having ever seen the phone upclose. So far, I've seen nothing but praise on reviews and previews. Plastic not only keeps costs down, it also lowers the weight. And since when is making a phone slim apple's idea?;
7- I don't have the expertise to comment on the cpu and gpu, but the benchmarks seemed impressive as hell to me;
8- Screen resolution could be higher, but super amoled technology is so far ahead of the curve that I bet it will more than make up for it.
In short, why upgrade to sgs 2? Best cpu on the market (according to engadget review), best screen on the market, one of the best cameras on the market, bt 3.0+hs, microusb hdmi out, usb on the go (according to gsm arena) and the fact that the galaxy s is already a great phone.
Obviously, there'll be a better phone, eventually, that's the way it is in the tech world, but right now it seems to be a fantastic device, as engadget review shows.
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I dont care the phone is sick and I can't wait to get one. I love my sammy captivate and knowing that's the same thing all jacked up is great. 3d is dumb especially on a phone. Plenty of storage. It will be great to finally have a flash. Super amoled is amazing so super plus is better...what more could you want. We don't need to dwell on tons of worthless info. The phone is gonna be sick and the best anybodies had. Everybody wants it and so do I.
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[Q] Htc sensation poor benchmark due to sense?

Ill be honest i am still deciding whether to get the samsung galaxy S2 or the htc.
I have tested both devices and like them both.
I like the build quality, the screen resolution and the more mature nature of the interface of the htc, but i like the saturation of colours of the samsung, the better battery life and the fact it consistenly ourshines the htc in all benchmarks ( ok not linpack)..
I currently have the hero with cm 7 but from the days of 1.5 the custom roms have always been considerably quicker than stock ui.
Touchwiz is such a terrible interface and my feeling tells me its less intrusive than sense ui. So the question:
Despite the fact hardware is similar ( ok htc has less ram) are the benchmark figures due to the fact the sense ui is more intensive?
Will a custom rom make a huge improvement on benchmark result?
I must admit that although for daily use i honestly would not notice the lack of speed, it would always play in the back of my mind were i to choose the htc.
Thanks for any clarification
Sergio

sergiof said:
Will a custom rom make a huge improvement on benchmark result?
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Due to the currently locked bootloader, and that no one has loaded custom roms or really developed for the S4G yet the answer is not fully known yet or not proven.
My guess is that the Sense UI has quite a bit to do with low benchmarks, but that the Quarter hd resolution (35% more pixels) also has a lot effect on benchmark scores. I still think these together will only improve the benchmarks to some degree. After the roms chefs get started building ASOP for the S4G and the kernel chefs get creative with the ext4 kernels then we may start seeing more comparable benchmarks.
Disclamer Benchmarks only tell part of the story, pick the phone you like to best and you will be happier
Edit: I am getting quadrant scores of 4500-5080 with my G2X @ 1.5 GHZ, but I still would rather have the HTC Sensation, eventually with ASOP Vanilla Android!!!

I agree its a grey area at present cause it has not been tested.
But i see you have the same feeling.. Impressive results with the lg..
I guess i will need to go with my gut feeling on this one..
Cheers

I am thinking buy sensation or sgs2, and sensation got terrible benchmarks compare with sgs2. Also sensation's web browser running like 15 fps while sgs2 running even smoother than iPhone( I am iPhone user now, and speed so much important for me ). This power difference really important for me cause I'm thinking use my next phone at least 3 years. So, I'm waiting unlocked sensation's bootloader. Because I want to see pure performance down on the hood.

NO I highly doubt its Sense.
Previous Benchmarks and Comparisons between Sense on older phones and Touch Wiz on Older Galaxy S will reveal that it can NOT be sense.
Sense will run better Stock then Touch Wiz Stock simply because HTCs stock Rom will be better then Samsungs Stock Rom.
Sense 3.0 on the Desire HD runs almost similar to older sense versions so one would assume that hardware which is two times as powerful would run it better (despite the pixel increase).
This said... Humming Bird vs Orion: Orion has a better CPU and better Better GPU... However.... The Jump from Humming birds CPU to Orions CPU is a larger incrimental jump then from humming birds GPU to Mali.
That Said... Mali is still superior to Andreno 220, Orion is still superior to Snapdragon (time will tell what an eqalization in OC will do tho (ie. OC sensation to 1.3 vs SGS2 1.2 ghz to compensate for increased pixels.)).
TL DR; HTC Sense runs better then Touch Wiz. So NO, it ISNT HTC Sense its Snapdragon.

Personally, I think it's HTC's ****ty drivers holding it back. This is always the case when it comes to performance.

Those scores will not make any difference when you use them.
SGS2's battery isn't any better. From SGS2's owner reports it only last a day.
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Benchmarks in Android really don't mean anything.

I ran quadrant on the sensation running adw and only scored 1800

u will need the ext4 the sensation doesnt have that when a rom and a kernal suports that then u can see them benchmark numbers go up. and benchmarks do tell alot about the phone if u get 2000 and up your phone will run really smooth with no lag at all i have a vibrant and i get 2500 and its really fast all the time and thats because of ext4

everyday48 said:
Those scores will not make any difference when you use them.
SGS2's battery isn't any better. From SGS2's owner reports it only last a day.
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It lasts a day if you're lucky. I sold mine. My battery did last 8 hours with moderate usage. There's a known problem with battery drain while the phone is idle

robart76 said:
It lasts a day if you're lucky. I sold mine. My battery did last 8 hours with moderate usage. There's a known problem with battery drain while the phone is idle
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I've noticed the Sensation doesn't drain at all (or VERY little) when the phone is idle. My MyTouch 4G had a big battery drain while it was idle and this isn't the first time I've heard that about the SGS2. I've been impressed with how the Sensation manages power when it's idle.

The Sensation certainly feels more than fast enough. I just had T-Mobile replace my G2x with the Sensation and it feels as fast in general. In normal use I am not experiencing the difference that the slower benchmark scoring would indicate. I didn't even realize just what a difference the battery life on the Sensation would be. If it is a slower phone I would be more than happy to trade the G2x's speed for the Sensation's battery life!
I know that Sense requires much of the phone's resources, and certainly has a performance impact, but the added features and improved ease of use make up for that. However, maybe HTC should consider offering a way to turn it off for those who prefer stock Android.

The benchmarks mean nothing. The reason why the sensation are low is because quadrant does not account for the fact it has to render 30% more pixels. If it were in lower resolution I'm sure it would outshine the sgs2.

I still havent got a decent answer to the Quadrant question - if the sensation is so much slower than the SGS2, why does it complete the quadrant test first?
Given the very basic Linpack test is quicker on the sensation (but only just), I would guess the raw CPU power is about the same as the SGSII and that there is some issue with Quadrant itself (for starters, it was never written with dual cores in mind).

hello there
its because the snapdragon uses only one core to process the benchmark and the other core is idle. i heard before from one technisian that the snapdragon processor has something called A symetrical something, nvm the name i forgot it but what he told me is that one core will do the benchmark while the other core does something else like kepping all the other functions of the rom working.
this is the only logical solution i can get to u guys, hope it helped.
and pls pray for me, i've been trying to get the sensation for almost a week and till now its out of stock or didn't reach yet
cheers
viper

viper619 said:
hello there
its because the snapdragon uses only one core to process the benchmark and the other core is idle. i heard before from one technisian that the snapdragon processor has something called A symetrical something, nvm the name i forgot it but what he told me is that one core will do the benchmark while the other core does something else like kepping all the other functions of the rom working.
this is the only logical solution i can get to u guys, hope it helped.
and pls pray for me, i've been trying to get the sensation for almost a week and till now its out of stock or didn't reach yet
cheers
viper
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some interesting facts about dual core phones !!! cool i didnt know that what i had thought earlier was that dual core processor runs at the same time ? so i learn something new today !!!

Maedhros said:
NO I highly doubt its Sense.
Previous Benchmarks and Comparisons between Sense on older phones and Touch Wiz on Older Galaxy S will reveal that it can NOT be sense.
Sense will run better Stock then Touch Wiz Stock simply because HTCs stock Rom will be better then Samsungs Stock Rom.
Sense 3.0 on the Desire HD runs almost similar to older sense versions so one would assume that hardware which is two times as powerful would run it better (despite the pixel increase).
This said... Humming Bird vs Orion: Orion has a better CPU and better Better GPU... However.... The Jump from Humming birds CPU to Orions CPU is a larger incrimental jump then from humming birds GPU to Mali.
That Said... Mali is still superior to Andreno 220, Orion is still superior to Snapdragon (time will tell what an eqalization in OC will do tho (ie. OC sensation to 1.3 vs SGS2 1.2 ghz to compensate for increased pixels.)).
TL DR; HTC Sense runs better then Touch Wiz. So NO, it ISNT HTC Sense its Snapdragon.
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actually, adreno 220 is superior to mali 400. Search for it in this forum

But that still makes no sense (pardon the pun). If the sensation is only using 1 core and the SGS2 using 2, then surely the SGS2 would finish first?
Anyway, I guess the point is that even if the SGS2 is truly quicker (according to Quadrant at least), the fact it is quicker in actual use (because it finishes the test first, despite having to process 30% more pixels in the GFX tests, etc, etc), just shows the Quadrant is pretty much nonsense (so to speak!).

Tirinoarim said:
But that still makes no sense (pardon the pun). If the sensation is only using 1 core and the SGS2 using 2, then surely the SGS2 would finish first?
Anyway, I guess the point is that even if the SGS2 is truly quicker (according to Quadrant at least), the fact it is quicker in actual use (because it finishes the test first, despite having to process 30% more pixels in the GFX tests, etc, etc), just shows the Quadrant is pretty much nonsense (so to speak!).
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actually from all the vidz i've seen in quadrant between the sensation speeds up in the non graphical tests than the sgs2. maybe the snapdragon and the adreno far superior than the mali 400 and samsungs processor but the quadrant was not written to test symetric cores, something like that.
and if u want to compare both roms and phones then use the same screen resolutions and in my opinion the sensation will kick the sgs2's ass
viper

[Q] T-mobile G2x vs ATT Captivate(galaxy s)

i am confused between the 2
i need to get 1 of these for my loved 1
if i go with captivate i get Super AMPLED Plus screen
if i go with G2x i get Tegra 2 awsomeness
please help me through this problem,as both these are at comparable prices where i live,please dont suggest me about gettin galaxy s2 as that is way out of my range for the time being
looking forward to you people comments
Thanks

Captivate:
1GHz single core hummingbird (year old tech)
5MP rear camera (no front facing)
720p video capture
PowerVR SGX540 GPU (Corrected by Antigen)
16GB internal memory card
G2X
1GHz dual core tegra 2 (simply nothing comparable right now)
8MP rear camera
1.3MP front camera
1088p video capture
Tegra 2 Hardware Accelerator
HDMI mirroring (awesome feature)
8GB internal memory card (I have a 32GB external in mine, so I'm sitting with over 5GB of empty space on my internal memory card...so the extra 8GB of the captivate has no meaning for me, personally)
I have NO experience using the Captivate, so I can't help you with a comparison. But I can tell you that the G2X is the fastest phone with the most visually stunning graphics I've ever seen.
If you read this board, you'll read about some people that have had no problems with their g2x (I'm one of those), and others that have been plagued with problems. I dunno...for me, there's no question. I would buy this phone again if I had it to do over.

mmapcpro said:
Captivate:
1GHz single core hummingbird (year old tech)
5MP rear camera (no front facing)
720p video capture
No 3D hardware graphics accelerator
16GB internal memory card
G2X
1GHz dual core tegra 2 (simply nothing comparable right now)
8MP rear camera
1.3MP front camera
1088p video capture
3D hardware graphics accelerator
HDMI mirroring (awesome feature)
8GB internal memory card (I have a 32GB external in mine, so I'm sitting with over 5GB of empty space on my internal memory card...so the extra 8GB of the captivate has no meaning for me, personally)
I have NO experience using the Captivate, so I can't help you with a comparison. But I can tell you that the G2X is the fastest phone with the most visually stunning graphics I've ever seen.
If you read this board, you'll read about some people that have had no problems with their g2x (I'm one of those), and others that have been plagued with problems. I dunno...for me, there's no question. I would buy this phone again if I had it to do over.
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Visually stunning graphics as in video games?
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Yes, high def games seem to run smoother and appear brighter than on other phones I've seen. Your experience may differ, as this is my opinion.
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mmapcpro said:
Yes, high def games seem to run smoother and appear brighter than on other phones I've seen. Your experience may differ, as this is my opinion.
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Also the galaxy s captivate only has a super amoled... not a plus. Big difference.
Also big diferences with a single core vs dual core.
Also galaxy s has no reliable GPS.
The galaxy s has a blue hue also which looks horrible despite the deep blacks.
G2x has its fair share of problems too but they are just software related. I would recommend either waiting for the g2x to be officially updated and re-released or just grab the latest CM7 build....
Or wait for the Galaxy S2 to hit AT&T
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player911 said:
Also the galaxy s captivate only has a super amoled... not a plus. Big difference.
Also big diferences with a single core vs dual core.
Also galaxy s has no reliable GPS.
The galaxy s has a blue hue also which looks horrible despite the deep blacks.
G2x has its fair share of problems too but they are just software related. I would recommend either waiting for the g2x to be officially updated and re-released or just grab the latest CM7 build....
Or wait for the Galaxy S2 to hit AT&T
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Galaxy S2 to hit AT&T- thanks I almost buy for 720$.....u just saved me !

player911 said:
Also the galaxy s captivate only has a super amoled... not a plus. Big difference.
Also big diferences with a single core vs dual core.
Also galaxy s has no reliable GPS.
The galaxy s has a blue hue also which looks horrible despite the deep blacks.
G2x has its fair share of problems too but they are just software related. I would recommend either waiting for the g2x to be officially updated and re-released or just grab the latest CM7 build....
Or wait for the Galaxy S2 to hit AT&T
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Who told you that Galaxy S has a reliable GPS? Lol
It even lacks good drivers for GPS chip!

mmapcpro said:
Captivate:
1GHz single core hummingbird (year old tech)
5MP rear camera (no front facing)
720p video capture
No 3D hardware graphics accelerator
16GB internal memory card
G2X
1GHz dual core tegra 2 (simply nothing comparable right now)
8MP rear camera
1.3MP front camera
1088p video capture
3D hardware graphics accelerator
HDMI mirroring (awesome feature)
8GB internal memory card (I have a 32GB external in mine, so I'm sitting with over 5GB of empty space on my internal memory card...so the extra 8GB of the captivate has no meaning for me, personally)
I have NO experience using the Captivate, so I can't help you with a comparison. But I can tell you that the G2X is the fastest phone with the most visually stunning graphics I've ever seen.
If you read this board, you'll read about some people that have had no problems with their g2x (I'm one of those), and others that have been plagued with problems. I dunno...for me, there's no question. I would buy this phone again if I had it to do over.
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Well, dude, if I were you - I'd have read some stuff about the phone before suggesting your opinions to smb.
Captivate has no GPU? LoL
Correct: All Galaxy S series (t-mo, at&t, verizon) phones have a GPU. PowerVR SGX540. Actually it's on par with G2x's Tegra 2 Geforce ULV.

You're right, I'm an idiot. The Galaxy S does have the PowerVR SGX540 gpu.
I apologize for any harm done.
I still don't believe the Captivate's gaming abilities are on par with the G2X when you consider both performance and efficiency. However, it is a top-notch gpu, and I'll retract that argument in my post.
And as far as offering my opinion before reading up on the Captivate? First, yes, I admittedly posted 1 line of incorrect information. All of the other information in my post is 100% accurate. Second, if you took time to read for yourself, you will notice that I specifically stated that I had no experience using the Captivate, so I couldn't provide a comparison between the 2 phones. I only posted spec differences as they were listed on the phone service provider's website. Why did I hurt your feelings?

I work for ATT and personal think the captivate is garbage.
We nicknamed it the Craptivate.
CPU is slow comapred to Tegra 2. Hell the hummingbird seemed slow compaired to the Snapdragon 1GHZ
Captivates camera sucks and has no flash
Touchwiz (samsungs skin) sucks
captivates GPS SUCKS
Captivate is 3G G2X is 4G
Super AMOLED has nice blacks but horrible whites.
If your looking at an ATT phone look at the Infuse 4G.
I currently have the G2x and the Infuse 4G. I like the G2x much better.
The Infuse 4G is pretty cool. And i hear the Galaxys S2 is pretty awesome.
But for the most part i dont think Samsung has put out a good phone since their Flipphones back in the late 90's early 00's

@OP
I have the G2x (or rather the Optimus 2x, same phone p-999 only it isnt T-mo branded)
A friend of mine has the Captivate and its no contest. Go with the G2x.
G2x has a better build (if you can find one without light bleed issues) and a much better feel in the hand compared to the Captivate.
Tegra 2 is a beast. I come from the Nexus One and then the Nexus S and i can assure you that the G2x blows those two pure google phones out of the water simply due to the Tegra.
Also, I have a Sensation 4G I'm playing around with to see if i should sell the G2x and right now im heavily in favour of the G2x simply because it is rooted and i've got custom kernels and ROMs on it. In fact I am only waiting this week for HTC to come clean with the bootloader before i sell it (temp-root isnt cutting it for me).
The G2x has a better screen and the Tegra is way better at processing multimedia than the Snapdragon (Google Maps app loads and processes map data 3 to 5 seconds faster on the 1GHZ Tegra than on the 1.2 GHZ Snapdragon).
Get a G2x, youre not going to regret it.

I would definitely go with the G2x. I've owned a Vibrant (which is very identical to the Captivate) and it has GPS issues which the Captivate is known for having also and the software has a great amount of lag unless you root it and install VOODOO LAG FIX. The Vibrant was a great phone once rooted minus the GPS. Just to be fair I can almost bet you money that if you post this in the Captivate forum (if you haven't already done so) that even Captivate owners would say the G2x is the better phone out of the two. We have the hardware to support just about any software android throws at us in the future. This phone is almost future proof.
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HTC One X -VS- Samsung Galaxy SIII

The flagship of Samsung is now up and whoa! That is some latest piece of tech.
Specifications:
Samsung Galaxy SIII:
4.8" 720p SUPER AMOLED (pentile) Display.
1.4 GHz Quad Core.
8MP rear / 1.9MP front camera.
2100 mAh battery
16/32GB storage (64 coming soon) with sd card slot.
ICS with Touchwiz 4.0
HTC ONE X:
4.7" 720p Super LCD2 Display.
1.5 GHz Quad core.
8MP rear / 1.3MP front camera.
1800mAh battery.
32GB internal storage with no SD Card slot.
ICS with HTC Sense 4.0
My Opinion:
Well, specs ain't the only thing. The overall performance, feel in hand and overall experience of the phone really counts. I don't think it's a big leap forward as we already know HTC ONE X is a beast in itself.
I prefer HOX because I don't like touchwiz UI of Samsung and the build quality is better in HTC ofcourse.
Many people will go against me and that's how it goes in the world.
* Sense 4.0 is better than touchwiz.
* ImageSense is better than SIII camera.
* 1.5 GHz quad core (penta core to be precise) is better than 1.4 GHz Quad Core.
* The shape is actually better than SIII. Didn't like the shape of SIII. The shape is a serious letdown for me.
*I'll vote for One X against SIII*
IMPORTANT NOTE:
Buy the one you like. Vote for the one you admire. This sort of competition is good for the new technology. And at the end of the day THE BEST phone is one which is in your hands.
Enjoy your phone. Enjoy the talks.
Like THIS for a compliment.
Would love to listen from you people.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Have you owned both devices personally yet? Until you've had both side by side doing the same exact things then there is no way to properly determined.which is superior. Benchmarks are worthless. Seems you're already on Team HTC's bandwagon so you're mind is made up. There will be a billion GS3 posts on XDA and they will all won't be worth a ****.

rdubyah said:
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Have you owned both devices personally yet? Until.you've had both side by side doing the same exact things then there is no way to properly determined.which is superior. Benchmarks are worthless.
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Yeah benchmarks are useless. That's why I didn't bring them into discussion.
I'm comparing the SPECS ONLY and there you see One X smashes SGSIII.
SGIII is built of polycarbonate as well but coated a sort of plastic layer (don't remember the name exactly) and that's ridiculous.
The bright shiny 720p SUPER LCD2 outclasses Pentile 720p Super Amoled.
Sent from my HTC Desire

mohsinraza said:
Yeah benchmarks are useless. That's why I didn't bring them into discussion.
I'm comparing the SPECS ONLY and there you see One X smashes SGSIII.
Sent from my HTC Desire
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lmao biased much? only thing that is better is the screen.
Polycarbonate comes at the expense of microSD and (smaller) built in battery. Along with better battery you can pull out GS3 has a 32nm SOC instead of 40something which also saves battery and heats less.
Maybe the 7th One X you'll return will be on par with GS3.
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BTW Touchwiz vs Sense is kinda pointless as it depends on user preference, and anyhow were on XDA and you know how easy it is to just flash something different.

HTC..is interesting..very interesting

mohsinraza said:
The flagship of Samsung is now up and whoa! That is some latest piece of tech.
Specifications:
Samsung Galaxy SIII:
4.8" 720p SUPER AMOLED (pentile) Display.
1.4 GHz Quad Core.
8MP rear / 1.9MP front camera.
2100 mAh battery
16/32GB storage (64 coming soon) with sd card slot.
ICS with Touchwiz 4.0
HTC ONE X:
4.7" 720p Super LCD2 Display.
1.5 GHz Quad core.
8MP rear / 1.3MP front camera.
1800mAh battery.
32GB internal storage with no SD Card slot.
ICS with HTC Sense 4.0
My Opinion:
Well, specs ain't the only thing. The overall performance, feel in hand and overall experience of the phone really counts. I don't think it's a big leap forward as we already know HTC ONE X is a beast in itself.
I prefer HOX because I don't like touchwiz UI of Samsung and the build quality is better in HTC ofcourse.
Many people will go against me and that's how it goes in the world.
* Sense 4.0 is better than touchwiz.
* ImageSense is better than SIII camera.
* 1.5 GHz quad core (penta core to be precise) is better than 1.4 GHz Quad Core.
* The shape is actually better than SIII. Didn't like the shape of SIII. The shape is a serious letdown for me.
*I'll vote for One X against SIII*
IMPORTANT NOTE:
Buy the one you like. Vote for the one you admire. This sort of competition is good for the new technology. And at the end of the day THE BEST phone is one which is in your hands.
Enjoy your phone. Enjoy the talks.
Like THIS for a compliment.
Would love to listen from you people.
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Omg. Galaxy S3 GPU and CPU is much much better and best CPU and GPU on a mobile. New GPU is 400mhz. Just WTF. Even screen is best screen until today. I don't care about fancy stuff but new touchwiz is better than sense for me. REMEMBER THIS. Galaxy S with froyo have HW accelerated browser because of touchwiz. No one can touch S3 now. Tell me about glup. Byes.
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mohsinraza said:
Yeah benchmarks are useless. That's why I didn't bring them into discussion.
I'm comparing the SPECS ONLY and there you see One X smashes SGSIII.
SGIII is built of polycarbonate as well but coated a sort of plastic layer (don't remember the name exactly) and that's ridiculous.
The bright shiny 720p SUPER LCD2 outclasses Pentile 720p Super Amoled.
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Really interesting guys! There are 2 chances.
1- You didn't see a amoled screen.
2- You don't know about specs. Because One X doesn't have chance to own SGS3. Like S2 and Sensation. Even my sgs1 is faster and more ram than sensation.
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burakgon said:
Omg. Galaxy S3 GPU and CPU is much much better and best CPU and GPU on a mobile. New GPU is 400mhz. Just WTF. Even screen is best screen until today. I don't care about fancy stuff but new touchwiz is better than sense for me. REMEMBER THIS. Galaxy S with froyo have HW accelerated browser because of touchwiz. No one can touch S3 now. Tell me about glup. Byes.
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CPU & GPU won't make a difference until you play games HD games on the phone all day long. And for daily workings both are more than enough.
Whoa! You're kiddin' me. The pentile display is way too awkward. THIS IS NOT THE BEST SCREEN.
UI may come down to personal preference so not in discussion.
nebsif said:
lmao biased much? only thing that is better is the screen.
Polycarbonate comes at the expense of microSD and (smaller) built in battery. Along with better battery you can pull out GS3 has a 32nm SOC instead of 40something which also saves battery and heats less.
Maybe the 7th One X you'll return will be on par with GS3.
BTW Touchwiz vs Sense is kinda pointless as it depends on user preference, and anyhow were on XDA and you know how easy it is to just flash something different.
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32nm and 40nm actually have NO serious difference. Even S4 Snapdragon being 28mm isn't a outdated product. This actually is a no difference. Fifth core on One X is assigned to do the job as you've mentioned, less heat & longer battery.
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Both of them are great but I prefer Huawei ascend quad XL it has better specs

mohsinraza said:
32nm and 40nm actually have NO serious difference. Even S4 Snapdragon being 28mm isn't a outdated product. This actually is a no difference. Fifth core on One X is assigned to do the job as you've mentioned, less heat & longer battery.
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Sorry, but you're very very very wrong here. The difference between 40 and 32 is 20% less battery power for any given task. Between 40 and 28 is closer to 40% less battery usage.
Fifth core on Tegra 3 is technically retarded. Read Nvidia's white paper. The CPU can't have the fifth core on at the same time as any of the others, so Tegra 3 only saves battery power if you're not actually using your phone and it's only doing background tasks while the screen is off.
Furthermore, Tegra 3 has no dynamic voltage control. So if you were to watch a movie on a T3 device, and your email refreshes in the background, it would use the same processor power and clock speed as watching 2 movies at the same time. Both Krait S4 and Exynos 4 have dynamic voltage control.
Personally, I'd rather not have either device and wait for the LTE Padfone.

I had a SGS2... Moved from that to HTC One X because i just couldn't stand their TouchWiz UI..
The development on the SGS2 haven't been as i hoped, mainly due to their drivers.
Sorry, but i will stick with my HTC One X

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Personally, I'd rather not have either device and wait for the LTE Padfone.
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What is the price of the Padphone at the release? I know you can preorder it around 1000 dollars

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What is the price of the Padphone at the release? I know you can preorder it around 1000 dollars
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If you do a comparison vs what you would pay otherwise, it's actually much cheaper to get a Padfone than the alternatives.
Padfone+Padfone Station+Station Dock+BT stylus= ~$1000
Est. cost for data on ATT: $20-50 depending on plan size, $30 unlimited if you're grandfathered in like me
Apple:
iPhone 4S= $600
iPad 3rd gen= $600
BT keyboard case= $50
Total: $1250
Est. cost for data on ATT: $65 per month
Android:
HTC One X= $650
Transformer Prime+KB Dock= $700
Total: $1350
Est. cost for data on ATT: $65 per month
So you actually save at least $250 initially, and another $360-$1080 from data costs (Calculated using ATT required 5gb plan for data tethering= $65 per month, cheapest alternate for separate data plans is $55 per month).
If you're a particularly frugal data user, the Padfone system will actually pay for itself and leave you $80 further in the black than you were before your purchase compared to the alternatives!

All of these international One X fans need to remember that the dual core AT&T One X beats out the quad core international tegra 3 version in terms of performance. The quad core exynos is going to SMASH the One X! That being said, I still like the One X better. The SGSIII is like the GNEX's ugly little sister.

The problem is phones are very expensive here and the price won't go down anytime soon the price of galaxy S II is higher than neighboring countries and the price went up when the G model was announced Asus products are very expensive here TF 101 + keyboard dock costs more than the prime + dock. Thank God Dubai isn't far

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All of these international One X fans need to remember that the dual core AT&T One X beats out the quad core international tegra 3 version in terms of performance. The quad core exynos is going to SMASH the One X! That being said, I still like the One X better. The SGSIII is like the GNEX's ugly little sister.
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Why would the Exynos chip in the SG3 be faster than the Tegra 3 in the One X?
They're both A9 chips, Exynos is clocked at 1.4 while Tegra 3 is clocked at 1.5. Sure, the Exynos chip has wonderful features like the 32nm build and dynamic voltage control, but those only affect how efficiently it uses the battery. What affects speed is your Cortex class (both A9) and your clock speed, in which case Tegra 3 should theoretically perform slightly better.
I'm pretty sure any speed differences are going to come down to the differences between TouchWiz and Sense, not the specs on the phone.
And therefore, ATT One XL with the extended battery and the Krait S4 chip will probably perform better than the SG3 by the same degree that testing shows that it already performs better than the Tegra 3 One X.

Both of these phones have pretty awesome specs, so in that respect, I think personal preference is going to overrule anything else.
BUT, I have the Amaze 4G, and HTC has made it impossible (so far) to make a ROM that isn't based on their own Sense based ROM. As far as what I can see, HTC's One line is going to be even harder to develop. I enjoy trying different ROMs way too much to stick with HTC from this point forward (unless HTC changes their evil ways ).
As far as the different launchers, I haven't ever really liked a stock launcher on Samsung, HTC, or even LG (I think Cyanogenmod finally got it right with Trebuchet in their CM9 builds). I almost always put in a custom launcher.

i like samsung galaxy s3
ram management in htc one x is si bad

Let's take a look at the facts:
Screen :We will see who has the better screen when the reviews are released.
Proccesor :As shown on the becnhmarks the SGS3 is the faster one.
GPU :Again the SGS3 as shown by the recent benchmarks
Battery :SGS3 has an exchangable batter the HTC One X does not.SGS3 has also the bigger battery.
MicroSD :SGS3
Front camera :SGS3 again 1.3 vs 2.0 MPX
Back camera :Still unknown who has the better camera,but that will be revelead soon.
Storage:SGS3 again 64 GB + micro SD ,HTC ONE X 32 GB no microsd
Design :That's a matter of taste.
The SGS3 is obviously the better phone hardware wise plus it has many more features like eye tracking and S voice that the HTC ONE X lacks.

- UI I could care less what each has. I'm an XDA member and never have stock... lol.
- Processors sound like they'll be identical on the US phones, so that's a non-issue for me as well.
- HTC's lack of SD is a bit worrisome for me since the US only has 16 GB. That may limit what I can store, especially as apps get bigger and bigger. So there's one mark against the One X for me.
- Screens, the Galaxy is a tiny bit bigger, but I need to see peoples reviews that have been able to spend time with both to judge. What's on paper doesn't always matter.
- Camera is kind of important to me. I'm sick of my Captivates crappy camera. Reviews of the One X make it sound like it's awesome. I haven't seen much mention of the S3's yet besides "it looks good". Will have to see how reviewers rate it. It also sounded like the models they were showcasing weren't the final product for the camera either or am I just imagining things?
- GPS is important to me too. Again.. Captivate.... OMG!! I've heard nothing bad yet about the One X, and heard nothing about the S3, so we'll see.
- Aesthetics, build quality, etc... meh, whatever. It's a phone. It sits in my pocket. It goes in my hand and I look at the screen. I don't really care all that much what other people think of my phone while I'm mesmerized by the screen. If panels are falling off, buttons breaking etc. yeah that's bad but I'm pretty confident that won't happen on either phone.
So given that the One X already has a mark against it due to the lack of SD card slot and tiny 16 GB storage (I'm on a 2 GB plan, not unlimited so cloud and stuff isn't a very viable option for me) the S3 would have to have a crappy camera and or faulty GPS for me to consider the One X over it I think.