Emergency I tried to download the ics leak followed all the right procedures and for some odd reason the system was not upgrading so I thought something was wrong so I unplugged the skyrocket and up came the screen saying use kies to recovery mode. Kies is not recognizing my device so now I am stuck I don't know what to do and I need my phone to breathe again ASAP. HELP PLEASE!!! I either need to put it back to stock or something idk all I know is that there has to be a way
You should probably be able to use Odin to flash CWM again
If you already have it, just hold down up and down volume as you turn on your phone. Release when the first Samsung screen appears, and you should be good to go
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That's the thing the Samsung screen doesn't pull up it just goes right to that screen saying use kies to go to recovery and try again
Can you use the info in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342348
To help get you running again? There should be links somewhere to a carrier appropriate stock software you can flash
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Doesn't my phone have to be at the download screen with the android picture in order to do that? My screen currently says as follows: firmware upgrade encountered an issue. Please select recover mode in Kies & try again. that's the screen that I cannot get out of.
Will my phone be able to restore from the screen that I'm currently in?
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Doesn't my phone have to be at the download screen with the android picture in order to do that? My screen currently says as follows: firmware upgrade encountered an issue. Please select recover mode in Kies & try again. that's the screen that I cannot get out of.
Will my phone be able to restore from the screen that I'm currently in?
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I dont think so, its actually still in download mode. You should still be able to use odin, though
xcrazydx said:
I dont think so, its actually still in download mode. You should still be able to use odin, though
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Confirmed. Odin will detect and communicate with your device when the "Use Kies to recover (or whatever it is)" screen is displayed.
Sent from my Nook Tablet running CM7.
When it says downloading do no remove target. You should probably not remove the target for future reference
The ics leak does take a long time to flash
conundrum768 said:
Confirmed. Odin will detect and communicate with your device when the "Use Kies to recover (or whatever it is)" screen is displayed.
Sent from my Nook Tablet running CM7.
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Yes reconfirmed this is an alternative download screen you should be able to use one click odin leak .. If it doesn't work just keep trying to flash it on different computers, usb cables or usb ports
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Exact same thing happened to me last week. Download the stock tar. from the development section I think it's made by koone.. Flash it and you'll be fixed. Kept all my settings and apps and everything too. Make sure to read the instructions.
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im sorta having the same problem lol
same problem with me
DaYoung1 said:
Emergency I tried to download the ics leak followed all the right procedures and for some odd reason the system was not upgrading so I thought something was wrong so I unplugged the skyrocket and up came the screen saying use kies to recovery mode. Kies is not recognizing my device so now I am stuck I don't know what to do and I need my phone to breathe again ASAP. HELP PLEASE!!! I either need to put it back to stock or something idk all I know is that there has to be a way
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please also tell me how you fix it the same problem is with me what should I do now
fawadali4631 said:
please also tell me how you fix it the same problem is with me what should I do now
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Use Odin. See vincom's stickies on the development forum
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phone is on infused v2 and is now just looping after i restarted it, samsung samsung samsung.... how to fix this?
aviationmech406 said:
phone is on infused v2 and is now just looping after i restarted it, samsung samsung samsung.... how to fix this?
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Have you tried anything to fix this......??
if not just pull batt, hold power and both volume up/down at the same time....when the first samsung logo appears let go of power and continue to hold till you get into recovery. should be like 10 sec maybe 15
wipe data factory reset and you should boot past the loop....if not you most likely have to reflash or use the ultimate unbrick.
mine did this when i deleted the lagfix folder by accident (trying to fee up space) i ended up booting into red recovery and disabling voodo lagfix, rebooted then went back in to recovery and re enabled it.
Im not able to get the recovery to come up, everything is jacked, im trying to track down instructions for that ultimate unbrick..
Ok found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116251&highlight=unbrick but the part where it says make sure your phone is com## in the odin, mine isnt showing up with that?
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Im not able to get the recovery to come up, everything is jacked, im trying to track down instructions for that ultimate unbrick..
Ok found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116251&highlight=unbrick but the part where it says make sure your phone is com## in the odin, mine isnt showing up with that?
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Did you get this working? When I was running Infused I had to repeatedly do battery pulls and the three button meth. to get the recovery. Should seriously try to get recovery to start before doing a back to stock.
As for Odin recognizing the phone, did you make sure you have the kies with the drivers installed, did you try different usb ports and/or computers caus sometimes the drivers act funky. Have seen other people have problems with Odin and the drivers.
Got odin to work and its back to stock, only problem i have now is when the date/time is set to automatic it sends it completely off the grid, i have to manually set it which i dont like to do, any quick fix to this?
I'm having a similar problem. My phone is bootlooping and my pc and odin are recognizing it, however the issue is that the phone only turns on for half a second before shutting back off, not allowing me to do anything with it. Anyone know of a way to fix this?
aviationmech406 said:
Got odin to work and its back to stock, only problem i have now is when the date/time is set to automatic it sends it completely off the grid, i have to manually set it which i dont like to do, any quick fix to this?
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Even on stock? Ive seen this problem with custom roms like dlevrom 5.0 but not on stock? Cruise over there and see what he did to fix it. I believe there is a program called fastfix to force the locales to show up with North America. Nevertheless, check your locale and text in settings to make sure if the correct locale for your area is shown. If not there is a program in the market to force the correct one. Sorry, dont recall the programs name. Maybe the fastfix or fasterfix.
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Astirnon said:
I'm having a similar problem. My phone is bootlooping and my pc and odin are recognizing it, however the issue is that the phone only turns on for half a second before shutting back off, not allowing me to do anything with it. Anyone know of a way to fix this?
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Go to either the thread on the Heimdall one click back to stock or the thread on the Unbrickable mod, read up on your download mode access problem and figure which direction to go. Sounds like a soft brick but anything other than a black screen period is salvagable so your all good.
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Pull battery plug in USB cable hold volume s power buttons insert battery should put you at download screen to odin to stock.
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JLR9914 said:
Go to either the thread on the Heimdall one click back to stock or the thread on the Unbrickable mod, read up on your download mode access problem and figure which direction to go. Sounds like a soft brick but anything other than a black screen period is salvagable so your all good.
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Ok I did both, Odin had a different "modem" I guess so my time was off, I tried the heimdall one and it gave me the gingerbread update which is nice but im having a problem I turn on phone after and after the Samsung comes on it does this sketchy screen with a lot of colors then boots into "atts rethink possible" not sure if anyone can help with that.
aviationmech406 said:
Ok I did both, Odin had a different "modem" I guess so my time was off, I tried the heimdall one and it gave me the gingerbread update which is nice but im having a problem I turn on phone after and after the Samsung comes on it does this sketchy screen with a lot of colors then boots into "atts rethink possible" not sure if anyone can help with that.
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Sounds like the rainbow thing peeps were getting when they used gb leaks with the froyo bootloaders? You are still booting up fine so that is good. Head over to one of the leaks like UCKJ2 or 4 and study first because the gb bootloaders might solve your rainbow but they are to be used with caution, you could brick your phone real quick.
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Hey everyone
I went to return my skyrocket to stock 2.3.5 using the sticky'd thread in the development section. It has, in fact, bricked my phone and im stuck with the "Firmware upgrade encountered and issue connect to kies blah blah blah".
I first tried using the Konane one and it got stuck on boot.img. After that is when it bricked in download mode. I downloaded the home sghi727 md5 stock odin file and now that is getting stuck on the boot.img.
Any suggestions will definitely be heard
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Try the 2.3.5 tar from sammobile
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spags1213 said:
Hey everyone
I went to return my skyrocket to stock 2.3.5 using the sticky'd thread in the development section. It has, in fact, bricked my phone and im stuck with the "Firmware upgrade encountered and issue connect to kies blah blah blah".
I first tried using the Konane one and it got stuck on boot.img. After that is when it bricked in download mode. I downloaded the home sghi727 md5 stock odin file and now that is getting stuck on the boot.img.
Any suggestions will definitely be heard
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u r not hardbricked, just soft bricked, just tell me if u can get to the download mode, didnt understand if u can in ur post
vincom said:
u r not hardbricked, just soft bricked, just tell me if u can get to the download mode, didnt understand if u can in ur post
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The screen has a yellow triangle
says
ODIN MODE
Product Name: SGH-i727
Cus Binary DL: NO
Current Binary: Samsung official
Under the triangle it says "Firmware upgrade encountered an issue. Please select recovery mode in kies and try again"
spags1213 said:
The screen has a yellow triangle
says
ODIN MODE
Product Name: SGH-i727
Cus Binary DL: NO
Current Binary: Samsung official
Under the triangle it says "Firmware upgrade encountered an issue. Please select recovery mode in kies and try again"
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its in the stickies on how to get into download mode, did u try that
That is DL mode. Just another form of it. Flash the stock Odin tar.
hechoen said:
That is DL mode. Just another form of it. Flash the stock Odin tar.
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that's correct, is still in dl mode when it says that. Reflash the tar
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xcrazydx said:
that's correct, is still in dl mode when it says that. Reflash the tar
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hechoen said:
That is DL mode. Just another form of it. Flash the stock Odin tar.
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Ive been trying over and over but odin is stuck just after connecting at boot.img and it doesnt go anywhere from there. Its been under a year since ive had the phone. I was on the UCLE2 Sky ICS and I was experiencing problems.
You guys think I might need to go to ATT and get a replacement? It still says everything is stock. It doesnt look like the flash counter has tripped.
Thanks
Step 1, If you haven't done so, do MD5 verification of the file you downloaded.
Step 3, Next, reboot your computer. I had the exact same problems and my USB ports stopped playing nice with my phone. After a reboot, everything went well. I also have a feeling something in the Kies update messes up the connection and leaves something hanging. Don't touch kies until you get out of download mode.
Step 3, click on the Thanks button.
Lucidmike said:
Step 1, If you haven't done so, do MD5 verification of the file you downloaded.
Step 3, Next, reboot your computer. I had the exact same problems and my USB ports stopped playing nice with my phone. After a reboot, everything went well. I also have a feeling something in the Kies update messes up the connection and leaves something hanging. Don't touch kies until you get out of download mode.
Step 3, click on the Thanks button.
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Haha wish I could.
Ive restarted several times already but I went ahead and did it again. Odin gets to the boot.img and again just hangs there. Odin recognizes the phone thats not the problem just something to do with the phone and it wanting to be flashed through odin. I also verified the md5 with no surprises.(its off of sammobile)
Im using both the 1.85 Konane Odin and the general Android + SLP Odin achieving the same boot.img hang up. Im going to try and reboot again,
This happend to me, held the power button and restarted phone.
Then Odin properly recognized my phone
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Try a different USB port. Or cable if still an issue.
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Tweakecho said:
This happend to me, held the power button and restarted phone.
Then Odin properly recognized my phone
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mindmajick said:
Try a different USB port. Or cable if still an issue.
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I was FINALLY ABLE TO GET IT TO GO!!!!
It was a combination of restarting my phone while in odin and going into kies and reinstalling the device drivers several times. Thanks for everyone's input.:good::good::good:
ON A SIDE NOTE:
I don't think the sticky'd thread in the dev section works anymore. Someone may want to verify that it still works so people can avoid problems like this
it still works.. i just used it two days ago on mine and it got stock honeycomb installed.
only problem was afterwards, it got stuck on "touch android to begin" with some errors.
read this if u had probs returning to stock http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1652398
I havend a stock galaxy blaze running Jelly bean I just attempted to root it using odin followed instructions to perfect odin tells me success phone reboots and gets stuck at boot screen any ideas? Thx
Lostmymind904 said:
I havend a stock galaxy blaze running Jelly bean I just attempted to root it using odin followed instructions to perfect odin tells me success phone reboots and gets stuck at boot screen any ideas? Thx
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You attempted to root using Odin when your already on a JellyBean ROM?? The Blaze doesn't have Official JB.. We have rooted JB ROMS like Cyanogenmod..
xWolf13 said:
You attempted to root using Odin when your already on a JellyBean ROM?? The Blaze doesn't have Official JB.. We have rooted JB ROMS like Cyanogenmod..
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The phone was running stock ics then my mistake believe the problem is becuase i used the gingerbread.odin root method can you help me get back to Ics stock please? ..om getting really fustrated
Lostmymind904 said:
The phone was running stock ics then my mistake believe the problem is becuase i used the gingerbread.odin root method can you help me get back to Ics stock please? ..om getting really fustrated
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Search and you shall find
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If you can get to download mode, you're fine. There's a thread in general on how to get our phone back to stock. Look through general and you'll find it!
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njstein said:
If you can get to download mode, you're fine. There's a thread in general on how to get our phone back to stock. Look through general and you'll find it!
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Thx Fixed it if anyone else is having this problem here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1591601
njstein said:
If you can get to download mode, you're fine. There's a thread in general on how to get our phone back to stock. Look through general and you'll find it!
Sent from a LiquidSmooth Blaze
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What if I can't get to download mode? When I attempt to get there the phone just buzzes every couple seconds, but never goes into download mode. When I release, it goes to the battery charging icon. When I try to get to recovery mode, it vibrates and goes back to the Galaxy S splash screen and hangs. Thanks.
tdub97 said:
What if I can't get to download mode? When I attempt to get there the phone just buzzes every couple seconds, but never goes into download mode. When I release, it goes to the battery charging icon. When I try to get to recovery mode, it vibrates and goes back to the Galaxy S splash screen and hangs. Thanks.
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If the screen is showing anything it should be able to get into download mode, but it can sometimes be difficult to get it to do it.
Here is a post that helped me and others to get into download mode.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27360727&postcount=57
tdub97 said:
What if I can't get to download mode? When I attempt to get there the phone just buzzes every couple seconds, but never goes into download mode. When I release, it goes to the battery charging icon. When I try to get to recovery mode, it vibrates and goes back to the Galaxy S splash screen and hangs. Thanks.
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Keep in mind, to get into download mode, you must have the phone disconnected from the computer! If it shows the charging battery icon, then your phone is plugged in. Unplug it and try again.
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7z file...
It could be that it's late and not thinking clearly but... I downloaded the "Stock Tar" and the problem I'm running into is that Odin won't recognize it because it's a 7z file. Could I get suggestions as to how to proceed?
rtcrane said:
It could be that it's late and not thinking clearly but... I downloaded the "Stock Tar" and the problem I'm running into is that Odin won't recognize it because it's a 7z file. Could I get suggestions as to how to proceed?
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Extract it
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ODIN not recognizing 7z file on Windows 7--HELP
rtcrane said:
It could be that it's late and not thinking clearly but... I downloaded the "Stock Tar" and the problem I'm running into is that Odin won't recognize it because it's a 7z file. Could I get suggestions as to how to proceed?
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Did you get answer on how to fix this. Currently cant get ODIN to recognize the 7-zip extension so I can add it to the PDA field & get my Blaze back to stock. Thanks.
booyahb said:
Did you get answer on how to fix this. Currently cant get ODIN to recognize the 7-zip extension so I can add it to the PDA field & get my Blaze back to stock. Thanks.
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Here's the answer:
Jserrano56 said:
Extract it
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7z is a compression format. The files you want are in the compressed 7z file. Extract it using 7zip or WinRAR or any number of tools. Then ¡voila! you have what you need
okay so i was flashing from ics to jelly bean...and it flashed like normal....wiped cache and dalvik cache and hit reboot...now its stuck on sgs4g boot screen can't get into recovery anymore kies isn't helping and neither is heimdall one click non of the program recognize my devise when i connect the charger it just stays on the spiral symbol....cant even go into download mode can someone help me please asap!!!! if possible
Do I need a new sgs4g now or is there still hope for this one and if I need a new one can someone hook it up for me? Like $ 80-90.....
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Like many people have said, this phone is very tough to brick. I have brought it back from many of soft bricks before. First thing first are you sure it is a SGH-T959V ?
Next did you install the proper USB drivers for the phone?
Can you get into Download mode by having your phone off, holding down both volume buttons and plugging it in to the USB?
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Yes its a sgs4g I can't get to download mode or recovery....I didn't know it was hard to brick and idk how it happened I was flashing like I normally did with my sgs4g didn't boot and I followed the instructions on how to recover from a soft brick and didn't work
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Young_Azul said:
Yes its a sgs4g I can't get to download mode or recovery....I didn't know it was hard to brick and idk how it happened I was flashing like I normally did with my sgs4g didn't boot and I followed the instructions on how to recover from a soft brick and didn't work
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Ok Do you still need help or have you figured it out yet? I know pretty much exactly how to fix this.
coreya92 said:
Ok Do you still need help or have you figured it out yet? I know pretty much exactly how to fix this.
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still need help
@coreya92 I still need help to fix my galaxy phone please help!!!!!!!!
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You can't get into download mode? Invest in a USB jig.
Also I think this guy was in the same boat a while ago. Somebody suggested holding home button or something like that. Check it out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1910774
TwitchyEye said:
You can't get into download mode? Invest in a USB jig.
Also I think this guy was in the same boat a while ago. Somebody suggested holding home button or something like that. Check it out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1910774
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well @TwitchyEye i tried the "Hold volume down plus the home key and then power on the device" and it didnt work but then i tried for the hell of it to plug in my usb while holding both volume keys and it worked even though it didnt before trying that other method thanks....but now i need help to install the stock Rom/firmware
Great! Hope you're up and running again.
Edit: try following Lumin's guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1470716
TwitchyEye said:
Great! Hope you're up and running again.
Edit: try following Lumin's guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1470716
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im following and im looking at going like this is what i did to root it in the first place lolz...but yeah my phone is being recognized by my computer as SAMSUNG USB Composite Device don't know if that's how its supposed to be read
Yeah that's it.
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Yeah that's it.
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now im just waiting for heimdall to finish...its saying
"Initializing connection...
Detecting device...
Claiming interface...
Setting up interface...
Checking if protocol is initialised...
Protocol is not initialised.
Initialising protocol...
Handshaking with Loke..." its been on Loke for a while now....how long does it normally take to flash over completely
Sounds like it doesn't see the phone. Did zadig install the driver successfully?
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Sounds like it doesn't see the phone. Did zadig install the driver successfully?
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yes it did and made sure it installed it on the correct thing by unplugging phone and replugging phone with usb...that was before running heimdall
Young_Azul said:
yes it did and made sure it installed it on the correct thing by unplugging phone and replugging phone with usb...that was before running heimdall
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and it also lets me flash bootloaders if i want but gives me a warning first but i haven't said yes to that....should i?
Well.. no. Not if it's not flashing right to begin with. Try rebooting the pc first and see if that helps. It should flash and reboot your phone, and then you can flash bootloaders.
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Well.. no. Not if it's not flashing right to begin with. Try rebooting the pc first and see if that helps. It should flash and reboot your phone, and then you can flash bootloaders.
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it went from download mode to this
and it cant connect to kies now
Firmware upgrade encountered an issue. please select recovery mode in Kies & try again
Kies and heimdall do not play well together. Stick with heimdall. All you need to get back to stock and root is here. What you should do is uninstall whatever drivers you have and start over from scratch.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358498
Young_Azul said:
well @TwitchyEye i tried the "Hold volume down plus the home key and then power on the device" and it didnt work but then i tried for the hell of it to plug in my usb while holding both volume keys and it worked even though it didnt before trying that other method thanks....but now i need help to install the stock Rom/firmware
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Get back with me in This post. Ill walk you through everything. Its very simple. And you can also get into download mode using commant prompt. Obviously if you can put your phone back in download mode using the, USB connect method to get into download mode your phone isnt hard bricked. Very easy to recover your phone from here. Just a few simple steps and ill have you back up and running.
Sorry its taken a while to get back to you but, Ive been at the lake house for past two days
I have a galaxy tab 2 GT-P3113.
Currently it will not do much of anything. I have not touched it in months but decided to try again.
In the past I have flashed many roms and kernels on it and even dual booted it at one point.
It became unstable and slow so I put it back to stock firmware. However it was still very slow and unresponsive like an old XP pc.
I don't remember exactly what I was doing but I assume I tried to reflash the stock firmware again via kies and since then it has been basically bricked.
If it does power on it says 'Firmware upgrade encountered an issue. Please select recovery mode in Kies and try again.'
Well I tried kies and get device not responding. When I plug it in to odin it lights up yellow and if I remember correctly it should be green. However I cannot even get it into download mode to use odin. I am afraid I have completely bricked it. Does anyone have any suggestions?
jesusfreakjacob said:
I have a galaxy tab 2 GT-P3113.
Currently it will not do much of anything. I have not touched it in months but decided to try again.
In the past I have flashed many roms and kernels on it and even dual booted it at one point.
It became unstable and slow so I put it back to stock firmware. However it was still very slow and unresponsive like an old XP pc.
I don't remember exactly what I was doing but I assume I tried to reflash the stock firmware again via kies and since then it has been basically bricked.
If it does power on it says 'Firmware upgrade encountered an issue. Please select recovery mode in Kies and try again.'
Well I tried kies and get device not responding. When I plug it in to odin it lights up yellow and if I remember correctly it should be green. However I cannot even get it into download mode to use odin. I am afraid I have completely bricked it. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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If you can't get into download mode then there is no way to fix it without jtag
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shsagnik said:
If you can't get into download mode then there is no way to fix it without jtag
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well jtag is the one thing I have zero experience with? Do you know anything about it?