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Guys. Im on ICS 4.0.3 and would like to return to stock Gb. How can I do so without running ruu.exe.
Is there a pg58img zip file I can fast boot flash to do so?? Have no PC at the moment.
Hope you can help
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You can flash the 3.12 firmware and then you should be able to flash a Stock ROM.
k0zmic said:
You can flash the 3.12 firmware and then you should be able to flash a Stock ROM.
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Yes, that is correct.
Sent from my Sensation using Tapatalk. Yeah.
I have flashed my HTC Sensation with ExtremeSensation ROM, and I forgot to backup the Stock ROM.
Is there any options for Me to S-On, unroot, and reflash the stock ROM?
Really need Your help guys...
MOVZX said:
I have flashed my HTC Sensation with ExtremeSensation ROM, and I forgot to backup the Stock ROM.
Is there any options for Me to S-On, unroot, and reflash the stock ROM?
Really need Your help guys...
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Best option is to install the RUu fron shipped RUU op in development thread it returns to stock s on and unroot. I couldn't because I have no pc at the moment. Find the one specific to your.network and the LE editions are for XE sensation .
Hope it helps
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i want to update my firmware to 3.33 to flash elegancia rom or any other Rom that requires 3.33 but evertime i update the firmware it still says I'm on 3.32 I'm new to the sensation and would really appreciate some help thanks!
imxsteezin said:
i want to update my firmware to 3.33 to flash elegancia rom but evertime i update it it stays on 3.32 any suggestions?
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I was on like...1.27 and it flashed just fine. It should work on 3.32 and 3.33. Try and flash again the Rom, wipe first thoe. Hope I helped
-Sent From My HTC Sensation Running Android Revolution HD /w Beats Audio
I think you should only have problems if you use a newer android version on a older firmware. The firmware has some type of backwards compatibility in them but roms can become buggy if you uses a older firmware.
9595jakob said:
I was on like...1.27 and it flashed just fine. It should work on 3.32 and 3.33. Try and flash again the Rom, wipe first thoe. Hope I helped
-Sent From My HTC Sensation Running Android Revolution HD /w Beats Audio
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So wipe before I flash the firmware? I'm still kind of lost
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darryll4sh0 said:
I think you should only have problems if you use a newer android version on a older firmware. The firmware has some type of backwards compatibility in them but roms can become buggy if you uses a older firmware.
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So what should I do?
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To update the firmware put the pg58img file on root of sd card,boot into bootloader by removing battery, place battery back in, press volume down sand power at the same time, the device will recognize the update and ask to proceed, volume up for yes. The device will then update and reboot.once fully rebooted REMOVE the pg58img file from the device or it will continue to update ! You now successfully updated the firmware! It will be successfully updated. Hope this helps you.
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imxsteezin said:
i want to update my firmware to 3.33 to flash elegancia rom or any other Rom that requires 3.33 but evertime i update the firmware it still says I'm on 3.32 I'm new to the sensation and would really appreciate some help thanks!
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if you are checking the version thru Softwarw Information in Settings, the version is hard coded in the build prop.
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realsis said:
To update the firmware put the pg58img file on root of sd card,boot into bootloader by removing battery, place battery back in, press volume down sand power at the same time, the device will recognize the update and ask to proceed, volume up for yes. The device will then update and reboot.once fully rebooted REMOVE the pg58img file from the device or it will continue to update ! You now successfully updated the firmware! It will be successfully updated. Hope this helps you.
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i know how to update it my problem is when i do do it succesfully updates but when i go into my setting and my software info it stays on 3.32
imxsteezin said:
i know how to update it my problem is when i do do it succesfully updates but when i go into my setting and my software info it stays on 3.32
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Known issue. Ignore it. As vernon mentioned, it is in the /system/build.prop file if you really want to edit it to change the number.
realsis said:
To update the firmware put the pg58img file on root of sd card,boot into bootloader by removing battery, place battery back in, press volume down sand power at the same time, the device will recognize the update and ask to proceed, volume up for yes. The device will then update and reboot.once fully rebooted REMOVE the pg58img file from the device or it will continue to update ! You now successfully updated the firmware! It will be successfully updated. Hope this helps you.
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mf2112 said:
Known issue. Ignore it. As vernon mentioned, it is in the /system/build.prop file if you really want to edit it to change the number.
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the problem im having is when i try to flash a rom that requires 3.33 firmware it gets stuck at the htc screen
I got a bootloop flashing sense o maniac Rom and I tried the viper s 1.0.1rom and it got stuck at the HTC screen please help me
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What radio are you on now. If you have 11.76a you have 3.33, unless you flashed the radio separately in the past.
Are you trying to flash leedroid tweaks or something?
I'm using Insertcoin Evolution 2.2 now and am having a great time.
ziddey said:
What radio are you on now. If you have 11.76a you have 3.33, unless you flashed the radio separately in the past.
Are you trying to flash leedroid tweaks or something?
I'm using Insertcoin Evolution 2.2 now and am having a great time.
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Im not sure because someone had this phone before me
ziddey said:
What radio are you on now. If you have 11.76a you have 3.33, unless you flashed the radio separately in the past.
Are you trying to flash leedroid tweaks or something?
I'm using Insertcoin Evolution 2.2 now and am having a great time.
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No I'm using friendly firmware
Guys I see a lot of roms that tells you what firmware is recommended but it dowsnt show you on how to know which firmware you have.
I recently got this phone sensation 4g from tmous. came with ICS.
I rooted it, s-off it, and hboot 1.27.1111
how can i know what firmware do I have? and I guess I need to be on 1.33
and another question is anybody still using super wipes in here? seems like the more ics roms dont tells you that you need to do a super wipe
and can I still use superwipe when flashing new roms?
gypsy214 said:
Guys I see a lot of roms that tells you what firmware is recommended but it dowsnt show you on how to know which firmware you have.
I recently got this phone sensation 4g from tmous. came with ICS.
I rooted it, s-off it, and hboot 1.27.1111
how can i know what firmware do I have? and I guess I need to be on 1.33
and another question is anybody still using super wipes in here? seems like the more ics roms dont tells you that you need to do a super wipe
and can I still use superwipe when flashing new roms?
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Their is a firmware thread that gives all the firmwares with unlocked bootloaders. Also a rom will state if you should super wipe or not. But as a rule of thumb do not super wipe when installing a aosp or aokp rom. Only sense roms seem to be compatible.
Also since you have ics as stock It would be safe to assume you have the 3.32 firmware as this is what is linked in most if the s-off guides I believe.
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Terepin said:
Let me get this straight: You managed, on your own, to root and S-OFF your phone, and yet you can't find info about firmware version. Tell me you're joking.
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I tried to go to bootloader and it wont say it, I'm running viper s maybe that is why I cant see it.
heavy_metal_man said:
Their is a firmware thread that gives all the firmwares with unlocked bootloaders. Also a rom will state if you should super wipe or not. But as a rule of thumb do not super wipe when installing a aosp or aokp rom. Only sense roms seem to be compatible.
Also since you have ics as stock It would be safe to assume you have the 3.32 firmware as this is what is linked in most if the s-off guides I believe.
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so the 3.32 is based on stock ICS for the sensation 4g then why some says to update to 3.33
gypsy214 said:
so the 3.32 is based on stock ICS for the sensation 4g then why some says to update to 3.33
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Because 3.33 is the newest firmware and what some devs recommend for there roms. Even though 3.32 is the same as 3.33. So if you have 3.32 your ok.The only real difference is the radio. So if you just update your radio. You should be fine.
you can update to 3.33 but right now you dont have to. eventually maybe. setting > about phone will also tell you firmware version on phone, or maybe just the firmware of the rom, not sure. If you read the firmware thread then you will understand firmware and settings and not make a mistake. end up with reboots or tac nyan or some ****.
Xx12thANG3LxX said:
Even though 3.32 is the same as 3.33.
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New kernel, GPU drivers, radio and RIL are hardly "the same".
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gypsy214 said:
I tried to go to bootloader and it wont say it, I'm running viper s maybe that is why I cant see it.
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Finding out the firmware version is one of the most basic information you need to know. Hint: Bootloader has nothing to do with it.
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What he's trying to tell you is if you get to your boot loader (by pulling battery putting battery back in pressing volume down and power at the same time) the information about your device will be there...if you want to upgrade to 3.33 you flash the v pg58img file. You put on root of sd card boot into boot loader the way I showed you then it will ask to update press power for yes. Then DELETE the file! If you don't delete it it will continuously try to update. That's all there is to it. Hope I've helped.if so press thank you. Have fun updating.
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Terepin said:
New kernel, GPU drivers, radio and RIL are hardly "the same".
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Oh huge changes there!!!! Wow I must flash now!! Big update. My phones probably gonna fly away. It will be so fast and so much better with this new firmware. I can't wait!!!! Thanks bro!!!
Well thanks a lot guys. I seen the firmware thread and read about how to install and all that. all i wanted to know is to make sure witch firmware i have, and like i am running viper s sense 4 on settings/about phone did not tell me anything about what firmware i had not even bootloader, but just to be on the safe side im gonna flash the newest 3.33
gypsy214 said:
Hey dude this is the second post you made on my thread nothing but being a smart a$$. People like you makes me sick. FYI there is a report button on xda!!!
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Don't worry about him lol. He's one of the funniest guys on XDA when you take his grumpiness lightly. I don't call him Grumpy Terepin for nothing.
He's always got a point too btw.
At the risk of sounding like a noob, sorry in advance! I've been trawling through these posts but have been unable to find a straight answer so here goes.
I'm using a rooted HTC Sensation with ARHD 6.6.7 XE w Beats Audio, Firmware 3.32.401, HTC sense 3.6. Everything works perfectly!!!!!!!
I just want to update to latest ARHD 6.7.2 ,XE w BA.
Can I just flash the ROM update and be done?
Or
Do I need to - superwipe, update firmware to 3.33.401 and then flash ROM?
Very much appreciated. H
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From the ARHD thread
No need to Super Wipe if you have 6.7.x already!
- 3.33.401.x firmware is required!
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Yes you need to super wipe before you flash 6.7.2
Just backup your apps with Titanium backup and messages with SMS Backup and Restore.
EDIT
Stay on 3.32 Firmware because it has an unlocked boot loader. It will still work.
Thank you very much!!
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HsHTCsen said:
At the risk of sounding like a noob, sorry in advance! I've been trawling through these posts but have been unable to find a straight answer so here goes.
I'm using a rooted HTC Sensation with ARHD 6.6.7 XE w Beats Audio, Firmware 3.32.401, HTC sense 3.6. Everything works perfectly!!!!!!!
I just want to update to latest ARHD 6.7.2 ,XE w BA.
Can I just flash the ROM update and be done?
Or
Do I need to - superwipe, update firmware to 3.33.401 and then flash ROM?
Very much appreciated. H
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Hi,
Going from 6.6.x to 6.7.x ,you are changing bases.
You need to wipe in recovery...
Format all partitions (except sd card)
Then install new ROM.
It will work with the 3.32. firmware,but you get the new radio with 3.33 firmware.
You can get 3.33 universal firmware HERE
HsHTCsen said:
Thank you very much!!
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Could you left an information if you still believe to old firmware, because I have the same question and would like to reseive experiences.
In some cases is it better to go to next firmware, new radio better corresponding to new rom. So I am not sure to let old firmware worlk with the new rom.
Other question:
Is in the new firmware the bootloader locked ??? I hope not. So why do not upgrade to new firm ?
I found the firmware here
Many thanks for reply.
Greets viewer1974
viewer1974 said:
Could you left an information if you still believe to old firmware, because I have the same question and would like to reseive experiences.
In some cases is it better to go to next firmware, new radio better corresponding to new rom. So I am not sure to let old firmware worlk with the new rom.
Other question:
Is in the new firmware the bootloader locked ??? I hope not. So why do not upgrade to new firm ?
I found the firmware here
Many thanks for reply.
Greets viewer1974
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I'm sorry but I don't quite understand what your question is
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HsHTCsen said:
I'm sorry but I don't quite understand what your question is
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I only want you to let an information here what you have done.
Firmware upgrade or not ?
Superwipe or not ?
And the experiences with the new installed rom.
Thanks in advance
viewer1974 said:
Firmware upgrade or not ?
Superwipe or not ?
And the experiences with the new installed rom.
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3.33 has a locked bootloader, so no do not update from 3.32.
Yes superwipe between 6.2.7 XE and 6.6.7 XE
All ARHD ROMs are stable, smooth and good with battery life (in my experience anyway)
sromer said:
3.33 has a locked bootloader, so no do not update from 3.32.
Yes superwipe between 6.2.7 XE and 6.6.7 XE
All ARHD ROMs are stable, smooth and good with battery life (in my experience anyway)
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Just to be clear, can you plz tell me what the "universal" 3.33 firmware is mentioned earlier? Is it locked?
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From Kohr-Ah's Firmware thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21711154#post21711154
Kohr-Ah said:
Firmwares that I have posted:
3.33 Universal is the latest/stable release ICS 4.0.3 FW for Sensation (sense 3.6 Version and works for Sense 4 also)
3.32 Universal is ICS 4.0.3 FW for Sensation (sense 3.6 Version) that has the Unlocked bootloader (posted by Mike1986)
3.30 Universal is ICS 4.0.3 FW for Sensation (sense 3.6 Version) that has the Unlocked bootloader (posted by Mike1986)
3.24 Universal is ICS 4.0.3 FW for Sensation (sense 3.6 Version) that has the Unlocked bootloader (posted by Mike1986)
3.12 Universal is ICS 4.0.3 FW before that (Sense 3.5 Version)
1.17 Universal This is the original Revolutionary 1.17.1111 Firmware with a completed Gingerbread Firmware v 1.45 package (Radio 10.14.9035.01_M)
So what is universal about it?
I have added a method found by mf2112 that allows the android-info file to have a wildcard tag. So instead of having a T-Mobile file where the android-info file has every cidnum the identifier is one entry into the android-info file and it covers every possible CID that T-Mobile has.
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They're all "universal" firmware as in they work on all Sensation/Sensation XE/Sensation 4G devices.
sromer said:
From Kohr-Ah's Firmware thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21711154#post21711154
They're all "universal" firmware as in they work on all Sensation/Sensation XE/Sensation 4G devices.
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I found the firmware here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1412618http://)
Is that Firmware also locked ??? Could anyone tell me plz?
Thanks
viewer1974 said:
I found the firmware here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1412618http://)
Is that Firmware also locked ??? Could anyone tell me plz?
Thanks
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Hi,
Use the one from Kohr-Ah
It does not give you a locked hboot.
malybru said:
Hi,
Use the one from Kohr-Ah
It does not give you a locked hboot.
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Okay.but can any one tell me what about the other firm, if it is locked or not.because in the pass I always used that one.many thanks for help.
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Not sure about the other firmware but use the universal as suggested because it does NOT change the boot or lock anything, I've upgraded my self to the 3.33 universal the one that won't lock or change boot. I've had zero issues and it has been wonderful . Make sure to READ before you install to be sure your downloading the correct version. You place the file at root of sd card, boot to downloader by taking battery out put battery back in, then press volume down and power at the same time. It will recognise the pg58img file and ask to update, press power for yes. Once the update is completed and rebooted. REMOVE the pg58img file! If you don't it will want to continue to update over and over inside the downloader, so delete the file soon as your finished. Hope this helps. Best wishes.
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The purpose of this particular Q&A was to eliminate confusion about the update. Now I'm confused.
Will a firmware update to 3.33 universal give me a locked hboot?
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HsHTCsen said:
The purpose of this particular Q&A was to eliminate confusion about the update. Now I'm confused.
Will a firmware update to 3.33 universal give me a locked hboot?
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Hi,
Flash the universal firmware from Kohr-Ah.
This one will not lock your bootloader.
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malybru said:
Hi,
Flash the universal firmware from Kohr-Ah.
This one will not lock your bootloader.
Sent telepathically from my pyramid
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Hi
Can I run ARHD 6.7.0 on 3.33 firmware?
If yes, what are the benefits, plz?
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HsHTCsen said:
Hi
Can I run ARHD 6.7.0 on 3.33 firmware?
If yes, what are the benefits, plz?
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Hi,
Yes, you can try to run 6.7.0 on 3.33 firmware.
Make a nandroid first.
The basic difference between 3.32 and 3.33 is only a newer radio.
malybru said:
Hi,
Yes, you can try to run 6.7.0 on 3.33 firmware.
Make a nandroid first.
The basic difference between 3.32 and 3.33 is only a newer radio.
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Thanks. Could u brief me on wat a radio is, basically, or provide a detailed link if you know one, on xda.
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HsHTCsen said:
Thanks. Could u brief me on wat a radio is, basically, or provide a detailed link if you know one, on xda.
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Hi,
"To briefly explain with a somewhat-less-than-accurate analogy for the purist, the radio you can flash is like a firmware package in Windows terms, and the RIL is like a driver. It is important to match them for best results, or else poor or no reception is likely, as well as high battery drain." (Quote from HERE )
The radio controls mobile data,wifi,basically all radio signals in the phone.
A good radio/ril combination is required for good reception,and even good battery usage in the area in which you live .
Check the link above to see if you can get more information.
Hello everyone,
I recently bought HTC Sensation 4g (T-mobile) and it's already S-OFF, rooted (Superuser by ClockworkMod) and recovery is CWM 5.0.2.0 and it has stock rom Android 2.3.4. Recently, I got alerted about an update of 4.0.4 for my HTC then I downloaded it but can't install it so I guess it's because it's rooted. I really want to install 4.0.4 on my HTC sensation 4g then I searched up for roms until I found this rom - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1654347
Now, my question is, how should I flash it? Should I normally just flash it via CWM or via odin? Or I will have to go back to stock recovery for flashing the rom that Steve0007 posted on the thread linked above. And just to confirm, is it compatible with my device?
Android: 2.3.4
HTC Sense: 3.0
Software number: 1.50.531.1
Thanks!
D4nyal said:
Hello everyone,
I recently bought HTC Sensation 4g (T-mobile) and it's already S-OFF, rooted (Superuser by ClockworkMod) and recovery is CWM 5.0.2.0 and it has stock rom Android 2.3.4. Recently, I got alerted about an update of 4.0.4 for my HTC then I downloaded it but can't install it so I guess it's because it's rooted. I really want to install 4.0.4 on my HTC sensation 4g then I searched up for roms until I found this rom - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1654347
Now, my question is, how should I flash it? Should I normally just flash it via CWM or via odin? Or I will have to go back to stock recovery for flashing the rom that Steve0007 posted on the thread linked above. And just to confirm, is it compatible with my device?
Android: 2.3.4
HTC Sense: 3.0
Software number: 1.50.531.1
Thanks!
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First upgrade your firmware to 3.33universal
Go to the development section and search for kohr-ah's thread
Follow the instructions carefully and before flashing check md5 sums(important)
After that you have to flash an ics or jellybean Rom because your current Rom won't boot with ics firmware
Edit:do not never use Odin for anything.it is not for sensation devices
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rzr86 said:
First upgrade your firmware to 3.33universal
Go to the development section and search for kohr-ah's thread
Follow the instructions carefully and before flashing check md5 sums(important)
After that you have to flash an ics or jellybean Rom because your current Rom won't boot with ics firmware
Edit:do not never use Odin for anything.it is not for sensation devices
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Thank you!
And uhh, it's really big headache unlike Samsung mobiles.. easy to root and easy to get back to stock. HTC is a big headache for those things.
D4nyal said:
Thank you!
And uhh, it's really big headache unlike Samsung mobiles.. easy to root and easy to get back to stock. HTC is a big headache for those things.
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yeah i have been told too about samsung devices
they are way easier about rooting stuff
i don't know personally but from what i have heard from friends who own samsung devices
and they have the same opinion about htc devices hehe
rzr86 said:
yeah i have been told too about samsung devices
they are way easier about rooting stuff
i don't know personally but from what i have heard from friends who own samsung devices
and they have the same opinion about htc devices hehe
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Hey, just changed my mind, how about flashing another good custom ROM? Should I just flash custom ROM via CWM? 4.0.4 stock is way too hard and gonna take time.
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D4nyal said:
Hey, just changed my mind, how about flashing another good custom ROM? Should I just flash custom ROM via CWM? 4.0.4 stock is way too hard and gonna take time.
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yes you can use any custom rom you like
but first upgrade your firmware in order to boot an ics or jelly bean custom rom
rzr86 said:
yes you can use any custom rom you like
but first upgrade your firmware in order to boot an ics or jelly bean custom rom
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Dang! I thought I will just have to flash ROM and it will be easy to do it than returning back to stock but still need to upgrade my firmware thingy which is way hard for me.
Thanks so much btw!
D4nyal said:
Dang! I thought I will just have to flash ROM and it will be easy to do it than returning back to stock but still need to upgrade my firmware thingy which is way hard for me.
Thanks so much btw!
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With your current firmware you can flash only gingerbread custom roms
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rzr86 said:
With your current firmware you can flash only gingerbread custom roms
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Ohh so that's the case, now I get the whole situation. Thank you!