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27-02-2012 Updated..head to page 2 for some updated links..
If you havent spotted it in the Rom thread.. then head there and check it out..
[ROM][Nightly][ICS] Team Eos Transformer Nightlies (tf101)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1520764
Thought I would bring this into here so that we can keep an eye on it and see if it comes to our transformer..
I for one would LOVE to have this going..
From what I am reading, its not going to be an app.. but part of the Android Roms that OEM's are able to put out on thier pads..
I suggest that if you like the look of it.. buzz them like i have and keep the transformer at the forfront of thier list of devices that they should be adding this too..
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I asked to the developers if it's possible to get a preview to implement it to Revolver ROM. But I don't think it's possible =|
They will probably charge an arm and a leg to the OEMs to incorporate the multiwindow UI...
gnufabio said:
I asked to the developers if it's possible to get a preview to implement it to Revolver ROM. But I don't think it's possible =|
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they have a new video teasing us..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX8w3UZIjkc
I would love to have this but seeing that this been talked about for months and hasn't been release yet.. i don't see it come out any time soon..
gnufabio said:
I asked to the developers if it's possible to get a preview to implement it to Revolver ROM. But I don't think it's possible =|
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if they have cracked the programing with something that is going to blow us away..
then I sure they are going to be be milking this for all they can get..
its been a hell of a online marketing push so far..
we have yet to see it working in real world..
and as they had it going before ICS then I am a little supprised
they havent got a major taking it on and pushing it for the xmas shopping..
This is the type of thing that will make any NAMED pad different then ALL the others in a flash..
even the ipad users havent got this as yet..
so if they are sitting on the holy grail of programming. they better get your arse out there on product
before someone else steals there thunder..
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This is where the ability of Android apps to scale to any screen size comes handy. I hope Google will implement something like than in next Android. For tablets it would be really usefull.
Actually..wouldn't that be the theory. If say a app works to a smaller screen.. then couldn't you run that app with it to be limited to that screen size.. thus you could then effectively run say, a MSN box and a Google translate..the key would be to limiting them to open to a certain size..and not go whole screen..
Linux inheritantly runs multi windows..Android is a based on similar coding..so really I can't see why this feature has taken so long to impliment.
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dgcruzing said:
Linux inheritantly runs multi windows..Android is a based on similar coding..so really I can't see why this feature has taken so long to impliment.
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You're talking about the X Windows System (which GNU/Linux, Solaris, *BSD, etc usually use), not Linux the kernel (which Android uses). You can even us X on Microsoft Windows operating systems, but it's not the native technology there anymore than it is on Android.
Android does it's own thing. As far as what multi-anything we get from Linux, we get the technology that makes sandboxing apps with a publicly shared directory work. We don't have X natively built into Android. If we did you wouldn't even need "Android" apps.
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Spidey
Understand..
I was playing on Jobs NeXt machines back in 93 with multi layers of Linux & Dos..(shows my age)..that were running processors not much more then what we have in our hands now..
I am sure the hats @Google have this as a target as it was only a matter of time before it was demanded as a norm..
Point being.. these guys are close and I hope Asus is one of the few that have tipped some money into the bucket so that they in front of the pack..
Millions of android pads are just screaming out "multi windows me please" ;-)
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Windows 8 has sth similar, so I also think Google is already working on sth like that. I would rather wait than use sth that is third party addtion, not coming from Google.
ok, developers.. let it rip!!!
email today from the Onskreen crew..
Cornerstone is now Open Source!!
Over the last few months we've heard from so many of you. Companies interested in using Cornerstone in ways we never imagined, as well as users anxious to get Cornerstone on devices they already own. To get Cornerstone out to the community, and give everybody a way to contribute, we are excited to announce today that Cornerstone is being Open Sourced. We're anxious to share what we have been working on with you and are very excited to see how all of you can help make it even better.
There are a bunch of ways for you to get involved and learn more about Cornerstone:
Have a tablet device and want to put Cornerstone on it? We have an official ROM for the Motorola Xoom (WiFi) available. Download it and install on your device
Want to build a ROM for a different device? Grab the source and bake it into a ROM, then share it back with the community so others can enjoy also
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http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b261efe2acec30149813de83c&id=0b60c32006&e=5ec7b968da
Nice, now only good developer who building app for our TF.
Cornerstone is now open source...
Let's add it to some ROMS!
http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b261efe2acec30149813de83c&id=0b60c32006&e=f1c1a0a95c
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this should be in general not dev and there is already a discussion here-> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1279199
I just saw the video and this would truly make using an android device amazing. It is so awesome however, that I think it would be wise for google to wait till the next release of android before releasing something like this. I think it would be a real selling point for android.
+1
wish I could help make this happen for my TF.
The package they released is for 4.0.3 so we will have to wait or put it on paulburtons ics hopefully it is baked into cm9 for tablets
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The package they released is for 4.0.3 so we will have to wait or put it on paulburtons ics hopefully it is baked into cm9 for tablets
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looks like it is getting close..
[ROM][FEB20][v0.3] CM9 Kang with Cornerstone! True Multitasking comes to Touchpad!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1501637
Keep an eye on this Rom...
[ROM/WIP][Unofficial] CyanogenMod 9 for TF101
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517480 pg8
it will be screaming if they get it first..
but it wont be without its hassles...
https://plus.google.com/106527379151691513977/posts/3hkAaD6eah4
With that said, the base is done, the idea is out there and the code is floating between hands.
It will only be a matter of time before someone picks it up and runs with it.
Before someone comes in and dumps on this thread as they have in others, this is a thread about watching it develop.
Plenty of us have been scanning the airwaves for more then 6 months now for a sniff of multitasking Android on our pads.
Once again, I take my hat off to those programmers that spend hours over their keypads to bring us common folk
usable software to work with in our daily lives..
dgcruzing said:
looks like it is getting close..
[ROM][FEB20][v0.3] CM9 Kang with Cornerstone! True Multitasking comes to Touchpad!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1501637
Keep an eye on this Rom...
[ROM/WIP][Unofficial] CyanogenMod 9 for TF101
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517480 pg8
it will be screaming if they get it first..
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Can be fairly easy now i would do it but i dont know how to use GIT
all you would have to do is merge
https://github.com/AndroidRoot/android_device_asus_tf101
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https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
then build it
So seeing as google just had their conference as well as the release of the ICS SDK, will we be able to see some ROMS come to our device? I don't know anything about coding or any of this stuff, but ICS does look tasty.
SDK is for app develop... not for Rom developing =(
Ics source code has to be released for custom roms
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We have to wait for the system
dump onto the Android source site it will probably be a week it two after the nexus is released. That's the usual way it had worked in the past.
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Oh gotcha. I didn't know that. Well either way I'm excited for ICS.
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I am interested to see if CM will make use of this now! I have CM7.1 on my phone right now and love it over ASOP 2.3.4. Any one know if they will work on moving to the 4.0 source now?
Well, a off-topic comment on AndroidCentral said that XDA already has it's hands on the Nexus system dump.
I have a viewsonic gTablet too, and I have tried some ROMs based on Honeycomb "dumps" from the Xoom, I was very unimpressed (by no fault of the developers, they did amazing work on porting things) so I think I will wait on roms built from source rather than a dump from phone with different hardware.
CyanogenMod 9 (yes, that's right: 9) will be based on ICS. Hopefully it's just a matter of time before we see it on the DHD/Inspire.
I was more interested in the 4.65" 1280x720 display. The pixel density is almost the same as a iPhone 4
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CyanogenMod 9 (yes, that's right: 9) will be based on ICS. Hopefully it's just a matter of time before we see it on the DHD/Inspire.
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Why not 8? Is the CM team going to skip 8 in favor of 9?
Also, from all the information I've read, nobody still makes a clear statement on this: Is Ice Cream Sandwich hardware accelerated? Because if it's not, that's a huge shame.
ajm786 said:
Why not 8? Is the CM team going to skip 8 in favor of 9?
Also, from all the information I've read, nobody still makes a clear statement on this: Is Ice Cream Sandwich hardware accelerated? Because if it's not, that's a huge shame.
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CM8 will be honeycomb (3.0) if the source ever gets released... which would make ICS (4.0) CM9.
Let me google that 2nd question for you
Ha - not being a ****, just always wanted to use a lmgtfy link
They could technically make something based on the SDK (something DeeperBlue did for the Nook Color with Honeycomb), but since we expect a soon-ish source release for ICS, putting all of that work into it would be kind of ridiculous
Yes it will be hardware accelerated
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...am-sandwich-to-feature-hardware-acceleration/
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Why not 8? Is the CM team going to skip 8 in favor of 9?
Also, from all the information I've read, nobody still makes a clear statement on this: Is Ice Cream Sandwich hardware accelerated? Because if it's not, that's a huge shame.
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homeslice976 said:
CM8 will be honeycomb (3.0) if the source ever gets released... which would make ICS (4.0) CM9.
Let me google that 2nd question for you
Ha - not being a ****, just always wanted to use a lmgtfy link
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Just read this article it doesn't give an eta but its promising.
http://phandroid.com/2011/10/19/goo...-cream-sandwich-source-code-to-the-aosp-soon/
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studdmufin said:
So seeing as google just had their conference as well as the release of the ICS SDK, will we be able to see some ROMS come to our device? I don't know anything about coding or any of this stuff, but ICS does look tasty.
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I've been out of the game since I first rooted my phone, so you're thinking the Inspire will be able to run the new ICS phone OS?
I may have to start reading up on how to do this stuff again, this one looks awesome.
Galaxy Nexus system dump
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18547878
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310943
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sois said:
I've been out of the game since I first rooted my phone, so you're thinking the Inspire will be able to run the new ICS phone OS?
I may have to start reading up on how to do this stuff again, this one looks awesome.
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yes it will be able to run it, seeing as we saw it being tested on a nexus s, which has less ram and what in my opinion is a crappier processor(still pretty good though), so im pretty sure itlll run it just fine
i have my fingers crossed that di11igaf will make another amazing rom (sandwichbeast? icecreambeast? icemonster? abominablesnowman?)!!! If not, then i'll be waiting for cm9 to hit!
There is a nice ICS ADW theme out there right now. No functionality, but the look and feel is cool.
I really want some ICS love! Anyone know any thing about any ROMs based off of ICS or.... even better.... CM9? I am new to this rooting thing so...
Wow. Just search through all the topics in the skyrocket forum and you'll find your answer
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This is like some kind of Platonic Ideal of a post here.
But, I'm pretty sure they're going to release ICS at the big Samsung/AT&T/Google event tomorrow.
Savitt said:
I really want some ICS love! Anyone know any thing about any ROMs based off of ICS or.... even better.... CM9? I am new to this rooting thing so...
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Before you ask a question, please search the forum first, therefore other members will not give you harsh answers.
If you are looking for answers to rooting your device, please go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383464
If you are searching for rom developments, please go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1383
If you are searching for information on Ice Cream Sandwich, best luck is to search google or in the general section. There is NO certain release date of when ICS will be available, but there are rumors and some information that states it will be in Q1 of 2012.
Good luck to you.
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What event? Do you have a link. ?
I think he's referring to the CES 2012 event on January 9th.
Oh thats not tomarrow lol tomarrow is the 5th . Darn i was hoping there was some att/sammy event tomarrow.
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I think he's referring to the CES 2012 event on January 9th.
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Indeed. That is the only upcoming event that I am aware of.
I wasn't...LOL. I can't afford to buy another phone. I just pre-ordered the Transformer Prime so I'm out of money...so my wife says.
silver03wrx said:
Oh thats not tomarrow lol tomarrow is the 5th . Darn i was hoping there was some att/sammy event tomarrow.
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Haha me too my friend l lol the hope jumped up through my body!
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No, I was being mean. There's not event tomorrow and ICS is but a distant dream. Enjoy your device now and don't sweat the OS version number. ICS is not going to give much more over what you have now.
I'm sort of with the OP in wanting to know about any rom based on ICS. I've searched the forums and google to no avail. I'm seeing other devices getting a version of CM9, but nothing for the Skyrocket yet.
So, my question is this: Is anyone working on an ICS rom for the Skyrocket such as CM9? If I had the know-how I'd be all over that since we have such a great and powerful phone. I know AT&T and Samsung will eventually release ICS, but it'll never compare to the likes of CyanogenMod.
No no ones working on it. Why make a hacked up version. Thats not very functional. When our update is just around the corner. We will see ics, and mabye cm9 but.not until theres a leak for the skyrocket or the actuall update.
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No no ones working on it. Why make a hacked up version. Thats not very functional. When our update is just around the corner. We will see ics, and mabye cm9 but.not until theres a leak for the skyrocket or the actuall update.
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Thanks. Like some others I'm an impatient type...especially after using ICS on my HTC Incredible. Can hardly wait to have it on my Skyrocket, but will sit quietly (maybe) and wait.
Not saying this to start a flamewar or anything but why are so many people with talent focusing on old roms and tweaks and not ICS? IMO this is what is hurting Android with better development etc, it seems like iOS hacking and tweeking seems to be more tight-knit and innovative, where Android seems to just have (almost) the same thing over and over again.
Now, I am not saying it is the same, there are obviously very difficult functions and programming that needs to be done, but I don't get why all efforts by everyone wouldn't be focused on ICS since it is what Android needs, a fresh new OS that could change the game.
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Not saying this to start a flamewar or anything but why are so many people with talent focusing on old roms and tweaks and not ICS? IMO this is what is hurting Android with better development etc, it seems like iOS hacking and tweeking seems to be more tight-knit and innovative, where Android seems to just have (almost) the same thing over and over again.
Now, I am not saying it is the same, there are obviously very difficult functions and programming that needs to be done, but I don't get why all efforts by everyone wouldn't be focused on ICS since it is what Android needs, a fresh new OS that could change the game.
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so you want us to randomly pull kernel source for ICS (linux kernel 3.0+) out of our ass?
samsung has not provided us with enough driver libraries/binary blobs that work properly with AOSP GB, let alone ICS.
the problem here is the manufacturers. they control the proprietary hardware/drivers we need to focus attention on something. we could hack something together, but it wouldnt be worth a crap, and by the time we got something working half decent, Official would be dropped on us with source and we would have to basically start fresh....
tl;dr: it is not worth the time it takes to try to hack something together until we have 'something' from samsung.
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so you want us to randomly pull kernel source for ICS (linux kernel 3.0+) out of our ass?
samsung has not provided us with enough driver libraries/binary blobs that work properly with AOSP GB, let alone ICS.
the problem here is the manufacturers. they control the proprietary hardware/drivers we need to focus attention on something. we could hack something together, but it wouldnt be worth a crap, and by the time we got something working half decent, Official would be dropped on us with source and we would have to basically start fresh....
tl;dr: it is not worth the time it takes to try to hack something together until we have 'something' from samsung.
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Exactly its not as simple as ics source code being out, you also need proper drivers for the hardware
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so you want us to randomly pull kernel source for ICS (linux kernel 3.0+) out of our ass?
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That answers a lot for me, like I said I am not too familiar coming from Iphone (day one, I just got a Samsung Galaxy S II LTE (Skyrocket))
So obviously you need the kernel to work with the OS, I didn't know they were not released.
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....you also need proper drivers for the hardware
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Is it harder for phone hardware? Seems to be a lot of open source, or scene made drivers for, say video cards.
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That answers a lot for me, like I said I am not too familiar coming from Iphone (day one, I just got a Samsung Galaxy S II LTE (Skyrocket))
So obviously you need the kernel to work with the OS, I didn't know they were not released.
So what exactly is open about Android then? If you are at the mercy of the manufacture's to release the kernel, how is that open?
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Android itself is OPEN. you can go and build your very own version of 4.0 ICS right now from source code. there are very few phones you can STABLY and RELIABLY run it on though.
The NEXUS line of phones exists for a reason. they are untouched by carriers (verizon teabagged the Galaxy Nexus a little), and do not have some stupid overlay on them. they are developer devices in that it is the first phone to get android updates straight from google (no manufacturer interference required).
every other phone is tainted with a manufacturer's UI. Touchwiz on Samsung phones (galaxy nexus is a samsung but they provided the hardware not the software), Sense on HTC, 'non-blur' on Motorola, whatever Sony calls theirs...lol, LG, etc
on top of that tainted Android interface is a carrier branding or lockdown (doesnt apply to the entire world, but im only referring to US here)
so google releases new version of Android
manufacturers build phone, and customize android to fit their model (this is where android almost stops being OPEN)
carriers get a hold of the manufacturers build of android and tweak and modify it themselves (more than likely they just tell the manufacturers what they want), as you know they love to include bloat and lock it down from the user
you receive your android phone after it has gone through all those steps....long process huh? we dont get updates to newer versions as quickly because of that long process...and they would rather us buy new phones instead of improving perfectly good hardware.
Android is open in the sense that manufacturers can use it however they wish, within reason. it is not necessarily meant to be 'open' to the average end user, and manufacturers dont want you messing with the phone they built. its the reason XDA is what it is today, albeit with roots deep in WinMo hacking.
Hey Pirateghost Really great in-depth info with your permission I would like to add this info for noobs here.
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Android itself is OPEN. you can go and build your very own version of 4.0 ICS right now from source code. there are very few phones you can STABLY and RELIABLY run it on though.
The NEXUS line of phones exists for a reason. they are untouched by carriers (verizon teabagged the Galaxy Nexus a little), and do not have some stupid overlay on them. they are developer devices in that it is the first phone to get android updates straight from google (no manufacturer interference required).
every other phone is tainted with a manufacturer's UI. Touchwiz on Samsung phones (galaxy nexus is a samsung but they provided the hardware not the software), Sense on HTC, 'non-blur' on Motorola, whatever Sony calls theirs...lol, LG, etc
on top of that tainted Android interface is a carrier branding or lockdown (doesnt apply to the entire world, but im only referring to US here)
so google releases new version of Android
manufacturers build phone, and customize android to fit their model (this is where android almost stops being OPEN)
carriers get a hold of the manufacturers build of android and tweak and modify it themselves (more than likely they just tell the manufacturers what they want), as you know they love to include bloat and lock it down from the user
you receive your android phone after it has gone through all those steps....long process huh? we dont get updates to newer versions as quickly because of that long process...and they would rather us buy new phones instead of improving perfectly good hardware.
Android is open in the sense that manufacturers can use it however they wish, within reason. it is not necessarily meant to be 'open' to the average end user, and manufacturers dont want you messing with the phone they built. its the reason XDA is what it is today, albeit with roots deep in WinMo hacking.
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ICS was released on Oct 19th 2011. It is almost 4 months and still not a single phone was officially updated to ICS. The closest one was Nexus S which had an update that was pulled for being too buggy.
Why is it that android phones are so slow to update while WP7 & iOS have all their devices updated in days after a new update is out.
The wide varity of devices cannot be the reason as the team managing a device don't have to worry about other devices. For example, Galaxy S2 team needs to worry about Galaxy S2 and not other hundreds of devices.
Does upgrading in Android world means buying new phone and not software updaye like in iOS & WP7?
Although In part what you are asking makes sense it is in large part a flawed question and premise. I can not speak to windows mobile as I am not terribly familiar so everything going forward is about android and apple.
Yes we are all waiting to see how much each oem can f up ics with their version of android, whether it is tw or sense or blur etc. ics is a major change in how android handles things unlike ios5 which was in reality a very minor update to the system. And it was delayed by about 5 months from their typical release so when it was officially released it was available to most iOS devices true, but delayed all the same.
The delay for ics is caused by the oems thinking they can improve on it and give their own twist. If it was a vanilla update your premise would be accurate. As to the nexus s although the official release was pulled back there are several quality ports across several devices using it as a base
Though the source code was available previously, the first ICS device (the GSM Galaxy Nexus) was not released until mid-November. As mcord11758 mentioned, ICS is a *huge* updated to the Android system and it takes time to get everything coded to work properly.
I also saw some information last night that the 4.0.4 rollout would resume for Nexus S 4G devices today, so take a deep breath and relax
It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.
alex2792 said:
It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.
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I have an iOS device. All ios5 did was eat my battery faster and do a weak job of copying androids notifications. Not sure what your bragging about
What I have always found funny is why independent devs can get roms out quicker. There was recent interview with one of Motorola's top execs that said the reason for delays was all the different hardware used in all the different phones. I am running jokers çm9 ics on my motorola electrify. An independent dev got it out before motorola with all their resources. They could get updates out a lot quicker if they so chose to.
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mcord11758 said:
I have an iOS device. All ios5 did was eat my battery faster and do a weak job of copying androids notifications. Not sure what your bragging about
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Well, at least you didn't have to wait 6-12 months to actually be able to update your device.
cdrice15 said:
What I have always found funny is why independent devs can get roms out quicker. There was recent interview with one of Motorola's top execs that said the reason for delays was all the different hardware used in all the different phones. I am running jokers çm9 ics on my motorola electrify. An independent dev got it out before motorola with all their resources. They could get updates out a lot quicker if they so chose to.
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Independent devs get to release ROMs with a "sorry if it doesn't work, but tough sh*t" disclaimer. OEMs/Carriers have to be able to support the ROMs they ship.
Also have to remember that The CM based roms here use open source drivers that dont use the hardware to the fullest. While OEMs use closed sourced drivers built for the hardware. Once they get the update they have to wait for new drivers to be built to work with the hardware to the fullest.
alex2792 said:
It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.
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With each post I'm more convinced your an apple employee but I'll bite and ask what spyware you refer to.
Dave
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alex2792 said:
Well, at least you didn't have to wait 6-12 months to actually be able to update your device.
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Wait...are you saying you would rather a quick but flawed update rather than a delayed but more stable one?
Dave
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mistermentality said:
With each post I'm more convinced your an apple employee but I'll bite and ask what spyware you refer to.
Dave
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Carrier IQ anyone?
The reason it takes so long is because all the manufacturers have there own UI to make there phones stick out from the others and with major updates like in ICS they have to rewite there UI to work smoothly with ICS.
IamJAX said:
Why is it that android phones are so slow to update while WP7 & iOS have all their devices updated in days after a new update is out.
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I have worked at Microsoft on Windows Phone 7 and on Windows Mobile. Going back pre WP7, updates generally simply didn't get released for phones. Microsoft is trying to improve that, but the software has to go through modification and testing for carriers. I don't think any version was ready for acceptance in less than four months, ever.
I suspect it's worse in Android-land (where my phones live), because at least Microsoft has big teams for their for-profit product. The major manufacturers also have teams on-site at Microsoft, working to do the customizations. And Microsoft controls the hardware more tightly than Android; for WP7's initial release, there were really only two hardware package options (e.g. screen size, resolution, camera, processor, etc.) So less to modify.
And then Moto adds their new Blur incarnation, HTC adds Sense, and so on, each requiring more changes and testing.
So the comparison between WP7 and ICS is off because of profit-driven teams, hardware diversity and software customization that MS doesn't allow.
Idk but isn't this site to get ICS before any update??? Lol
I'm running ICS in my Samsung Captivate and I can promise you ICS will never come to a Captivate ... but guess what I've got it!!!
I can point and laugh at iOS and WP7 for their limited OS and customize my device
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To be honest I don't even know why people want ICS.
I was one of the unfortunates to get the update and now am desperately trying to downgrade back to stock 2.3.6 OR even better..load Cyanogen Mod on my phone.
The only good thing about the update is it led me to register and start to poke around this forum!
Bugs in ICS on my Nexus S include:
- Phone won't ring even when it should. It will only vibrate.
- Lags heavily and hangs when pulling up and trying to type a text message.
- Have to write text message most times before inputting contact to send to.
- Runs million processes in the background, thus killing my battery life.
When I upgraded it wouldn't let me sync my contacts and erased over half my names in my contact lists. When I turned on sync, it would continue to delete the names I had recently readded.
Since wiping all data from my phone, it works a bit more like it should and is a bit more snappy, but it still sucks. They need to hurry up and re-release ICS in a workable version, or at least let people roll back their phone to previous version like you could in Gingerbread.
Whatsup with naming their OS after generally crappy dessert items? Someobody in their marketing department is a glutton...
i want to up grade to ics... but i want to learn more first from here...
please give me some advice
SASQ!!!!!!
come on la, use your butt and think....
why android take such a long time to release a update.
because android has just tooo many different model....
while apple only got...umm.....1......
and windows.....ummm....less den android....
so think about it.....
maybe one----huawei Honor(U8860)ANDROID 4.0
the second edition of ICS commercial release
no guidelines, no warranty, no quality
Over the last few weeks almost every artile I have viewed about android have mentioned fragmentation can someone please explain to me what this is and how it affects gingerbread?
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It means some devices run 2.2 others run 2.3
Carriers putting on skins ect
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So like honeybread?
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So like honeybread?
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There is no android version called honeybread but you might be thinking of the version for tablets which is called honeycomb.
Fragmentation means that there are several versions of android being used rather than just one or two.
All operating systems are fragmented but some more than others. For example a number of iphone users are not using ios5 just as a lot of android users are not using ice cream sandwich.
Dave
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From what I have been reading, it mostly refers to the fact that the all Android versions for phones have, over time, taken slightly different directions as far as the UI, development, tools, etc from Honeycomb, the version dedicated to tablets. This in turn has created increasing consistency/incompatibility issues with applications since even slight differences in the OS would (in many cases) require different versions of the same application. This, again translates into unnecessary additional costs, and so ICS has been developing as the common ground for any future software development, be it phone or tablet.
@nacho thnx and other dude I know honeybread is not a version its when you have gingerbread on something but have honey comb icons
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Over the last few weeks almost every artile I have viewed about android have mentioned fragmentation can someone please explain to me what this is and how it affects gingerbread?
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It means that not all Android devices are up to date, and they're all running slightly different software versions and manufacturer overlays.
For example there are tons of phones with Android 2.3 (Gingerbread), some with 2.2 (Froyo), and a few still on 2.1(Eclair) or 1.6 (Cupcake). The latest Galaxy Nexus has 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) and most tablets are still running 3.2 (Honeycomb).
Of the phones on 2.3, all of these phones have slightly different versions of 2.3, with HTC Sense, Samsung Touchwiz, etc. that make these all look and act differently. People complain because there are no consistent UI paradigms across different devices. If you pick up an HTC phone then a Samsung phone they look completely different.
So right now, only ~1% of Android devices are running the latest software (even though ICS is months old), consisting of devices like the Galaxy Nexus and Transformer Prime pretty much. Contrast that with iOS, where probably 90% of devices have the latest version (save for iPhone 2G and 3G, which got kicked off the update path), and when the new version is available, all devices get it at the same time. Windows Phone is similar, in which when there is an OTA, pretty much all manufacturers and carriers push the update, and about 85% are running WP7.5 (latest version).
If you want an editorial opinion, I think Google needs to learn from how Apple and Microsoft are doing their updates and controlling their OS. Fragmentation is bad for the ecosystem, bad for users, and bad for Google. They need to start putting the screws to manufacturers to stop putting skins on Android (for example withhold GAPPS from those who skin), and start hitting the carriers to push OTAs in a timely matter.
martonikaj said:
If you want an editorial opinion, I think Google needs to learn from how Apple and Microsoft are doing their updates and controlling their OS. Fragmentation is bad for the ecosystem, bad for users, and bad for Google. They need to start putting the screws to manufacturers to stop putting skins on Android (for example withhold GAPPS from those who skin), and start hitting the carriers to push OTAs in a timely matter.
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You got that right. The reason the Samsung Galaxy S series isn't getting an official ICS is because they haven't figured out a way to cram Touchwiz into it. In their view, that's the deal breaker.
On the plus side, it's pushed people like me to XDA. I was quite content with the official Gingerbread but now I wonder why I waited so long before jumping into custom ROMs.
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You got that right. The reason the Samsung Galaxy S series isn't getting an official ICS is because they haven't figured out a way to cram Touchwiz into it. In their view, that's the deal breaker.
On the plus side, it's pushed people like me to XDA. I was quite content with the official Gingerbread but now I wonder why I waited so long before jumping into custom ROMs.
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But we are getting the.value pack instead
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A lot of Android phones aren't getting updates after a few months of being released. This causes major fragmentation. iPhones have fragmentation too, as the older models can't run iOS 4.3 and above.
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A lot of Android phones aren't getting updates after a few months of being released. This causes major fragmentation. iPhones have fragmentation too, as the older models can't run iOS 4.3 and above.
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Yes very true, but only very old models. Even the 3GS got iOS 5, and that is coming up on 3 years old. And the 2G and 3G got updates for about as long as well.