Just out of curiosity for my roommate here with me in Qatar, I have a question... I don't think it's even possible but I told him I would do some research. Is there a way to make the inspire 4G pick up quad band umts like my incredible 2 does? For instance like flashing a different radio? Thanks for any feedback
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Without trying to be too short, no.
Android's Radio Interface Layer (RIL) provides an abstraction layer between Android telephony services (android.telephony) and radio hardware. The RIL is radio agnostic, and includes support for Global System for Mobile communication (GSM)-based radios.
The Android radio interface is radio-agnostic and the Vendor RIL can use any protocol to communicate with the radio. Android provides a reference Vendor RIL, using the Hayes AT command set, that you can use as a quick start for telephony testing and a guide for commercial vendor RILs
A signal at baseband is often used to modulate a higher frequency carrier wave in order that it may be transmitted via radio. Modulation results in shifting the signal up to much higher frequencies (radio frequencies, or RF) than it originally spanned. A key consequence of the usual double-sideband amplitude modulation (AM) is that, usually, the range of frequencies the signal spans (its spectral bandwidth) is doubled
The simplest definition is that a signal's baseband bandwidth is its bandwidth before modulation and multiplexing
SO I guess HD DESIRE HD listens to 2100 band FOR 3G
while HTC INSPIRE 1900 BAND FOR 3G
AND 3G IN INDIA HAS 2100 BAND
So i guess it should make things work
Im not sure about everything.
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Without trying to be too short, no.
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It is a hardware thing. No genius explanation needs to be given. And Inspire 4G/Telus Desire HD is HSDPA 850 / 1900. European/Asain Desire HD is HSDPA 900 / 2100.
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It is a hardware thing. No genius explanation needs to be given. And Inspire 4G/Telus Desire HD is HSDPA 850 / 1900. European/Asain Desire HD is HSDPA 900 / 2100.
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I figured as much so but developers do some awesome things. Didn't know if maybe a port could be made from the DHD to the Inspire.
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xM Minton Mx said:
I figured as much so but developers do some awesome things. Didn't know if maybe a port could be made from the DHD to the Inspire.
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Waiting for senior developers to correct me,
Im not at all sure.
xM Minton Mx said:
I figured as much so but developers do some awesome things. Didn't know if maybe a port could be made from the DHD to the Inspire.
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If i were to flash my inspire 4g with CM7 rom and say flash the inspire 4g with a radio and ril from dhd,would that mean i am able to use the inspire 4g with the 3g frequency being used in europe and the rest of asia?
I understand that the 3g frequency used by at&t(850/1900) is different from the rest of the world,say singapore or france(2100) of course by flashing a dhd radio,i lose 4g connectivity but thats fine by me since i like experimenting.
i understand also that most htc phones are quad band and i4g's hardware is not that much different than dhd.
Is what i suggesting possible?or this is a hardware issue rather than a software issue.
The frequencies depends on the hardware
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Will a g2x.fully work on at &t?
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Nope.
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It will work, but you won't get 3G... Only EDGE.
What is the status of this? If I remember correctly the G2x specs initially listed full compatibly with ATT's data networks, but attempts to make it work were fruitless.
Is there a chance (no matter how slim) that an updated baseband could enable ATT 3g data, or does the hardware truly not support it?
The hardware does not support it. T-Mobile said it was a mistake in the promotional materials but with so many shady things about the way the G2x has been handled, I wonder if it was done on purpose. Part of the reason why I went G2x was because it was AT&T compatible. I wouldn't have had to get a new phone should the merger get approved.
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The hardware does not support it. T-Mobile said it was a mistake in the promotional materials but with so many shady things about the way the G2x has been handled, I wonder if it was done on purpose. Part of the reason why I went G2x was because it was AT&T compatible. I wouldn't have had to get a new phone should the merger get approved.
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Same reason I chose this phone.
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It seems to be an issue with the baseband chip. The 2X uses an Infineon baseband chip and it could have supported 850, 1700 and 2100 (tri-band 3G can be configured for any three bands - optional five band 3G version is available) but the top data speed is 7.2Mbps. On the G2X LG switched to a Qualcomm baseband chip that supports 1700 and 2100 but has a top data speed of 14.4Mbps (also supports quad-band 3G on 850, 900, 1900, 2100 but the AWS version needed for T-Mobile band support is only dual-band). Maybe initially they were going to use the 2X chip but T-Mobile said give us faster data so we can lie to our customers and call it 4G.
For geeks who want to know the 2X uses an Infineon X-GOLD 616 PMB9801 and the G2X uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 baseband chip.
Using mine on at&t...I don't pay for their outrageous data plan so I can't comment say if 3g works or not (I don't see any 3g notification on the phone), but it does work other wise. Who needs a data plan when you have wifi every where you go? I use a wifi app for texting so I'm not sure if the messaging/picture messaging works, but if someone really wants to know I will try a friends sim card....
You gotta be kiddying me man. Seriously you wanna put this phone on ATT and have all those limitations? Go with tmobile. Awesome service!
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It seems to be an issue with the baseband chip. The 2X uses an Infineon baseband chip and it could have supported 850, 1700 and 2100 (tri-band 3G can be configured for any three bands - optional five band 3G version is available) but the top data speed is 7.2Mbps. On the G2X LG switched to a Qualcomm baseband chip that supports 1700 and 2100 but has a top data speed of 14.4Mbps (also supports quad-band 3G on 850, 900, 1900, 2100 but the AWS version needed for T-Mobile band support is only dual-band). Maybe initially they were going to use the 2X chip but T-Mobile said give us faster data so we can lie to our customers and call it 4G.
For geeks who want to know the 2X uses an Infineon X-GOLD 616 PMB9801 and the G2X uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 baseband chip.
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Jboxer you're always full of great spot on data. Is it your job that relates to phones or just a hobby?
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Jboxer you're always full of great spot on data. Is it your job that relates to phones or just a hobby?
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Just a geek.
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Lol! Nothing wrong with that. Just find a girl that thinks its awesome
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Just a geek.
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Just a geek.
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Respect.
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Guess we'll have to wait and see. They are buying all the equipment as well, so I don't see why it wouldn't work once everything is said and done.
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Guess we'll have to wait and see. They are buying all the equipment as well, so I don't see why it wouldn't work once everything is said and done.
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AT&T is buying T-mo spectrum to kill it and use it for LTE. They're keeping their 850/1900 for 2g/3g. The G2x won't work on their network for 3g, neither will 99% of the other T-mobile phones. They won't keep running the 1700/2100 T-mo 3g frequencies for any decent amount of time. Its in their best interest to have all customers running on one set of frequencies.
Seeing if anyone knows how to change the frequency to 1700 I'm trying to get at least 3g on my hox with tmobile, I can dial *#2263# on my note to switch frequencies but on the hox the code doesn't work I already flashed the One S radio update signal is better but edge is the only data I can pick up also tried all preferred network types by dialing *#*#4636#*#* still no dice, and selecting radio band from the testing menu only shows USA and Automatic normally I can figure out my problems on my own but I'm stumped on this one.
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Not possible at the moment. Maybe after kernel source is released, but probably going to need s-off.
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The 1700/2100 MHz (AWS) band is not even confirmed to be supported in hardware, AFAIK. It was just assumed from various inconsistent sources to be included in the specs.
If the hardware support is present, its not supported in software. There would be a bunch of happy people here if it were! Some have speculated that it can be enabled after S-Off. But this is purely speculation at this point.
This has been thoroughly discussed in other threads. Just search or browse around for threads discussing T-Mobile compatibility.
Yea I'm going to poke around the framework and see what I can find
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The 1700/2100 MHz (AWS) band is not even confirmed to be supported in hardware, AFAIK. It was just assumed from various inconsistent sources to be included in the specs.
If the hardware support is present, its not supported in software. There would be a bunch of happy people here if it were! Some have speculated that it can be enabled after S-Off. But this is purely speculation at this point.
This has been thoroughly discussed in other threads. Just search or browse around for threads discussing T-Mobile compatibility.
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Aws wasn't supported for the note either so I figured it's worth a shot
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I think I've read that someone flashed a one s radio and it gave them 4g on t - mobile bands.
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I think I've read that someone flashed a one s radio and it gave them 4g on t - mobile bands.
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Wow, that's brave.
Since the Inspire 4G and the Desire HD are practically the same device. I wonder if they use the same radio. if they do, I think radio bands could be unlocked to work with a least 850/900/1900/2100MHZ WCDMA bands since the Inspire work on 850/900 and the Desire on 900/2100.
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Since the Inspire 4G and the Desire HD are practically the same device. I wonder if they use the same radio. if they do, I think radio bands could be unlocked to work with a least 850/900/1900/2100MHZ WCDMA bands since the Inspire work on 850/900 and the Desire on 900/2100.
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nope, please search before opening a thread that has been beaten to the dirt
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nope, please search before opening a thread that has been beaten to the dirt
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So what radio comes with the Inspire and What radio comes with the Desire HD?
dennis5pia said:
So what radio comes with the Inspire and What radio comes with the Desire HD?
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Like darunion said search. It's like this radios and Rils are different per Rom there is no better one and its all depends where u live and its a trial and error. Personal I never flash radio or Rils very often because each Rom comes with the matching ones. 2nd look in the sticky for the inspire thread for radios and if needed. 3rd desire hd is 99.9999999999% the same but UK but you can flash roms from the desire hd thread but search and search this has been talked 100+ billions of times.
Before you start flashing radios make a backup of what you have just in case.
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ya the flashable radios are just firmware files. the frequency range that the qualcomm chip is using is set at the manufacturer. it cannot be changed, unless someone here works for qualcomm and can help out
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Like darunion said search. It's like this radios and Rils are different per Rom there is no better one and its all depends where u live and its a trial and error. Personal I never flash radio or Rils very often because each Rom comes with the matching ones. 2nd look in the sticky for the inspire thread for radios and if needed. 3rd desire hd is 99.9999999999% the same but UK but you can flash roms from the desire hd thread but search and search this has been talked 100+ billions of times.
Before you start flashing radios make a backup of what you have just in case.
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I am talking about radio chip, not radio firmware. so I mean hardware not software.
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ya the flashable radios are just firmware files. the frequency range that the qualcomm chip is using is set at the manufacturer. it cannot be changed, unless someone here works for qualcomm and can help out
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Actually you don't need to work for Qualcomm to change it. I asked about Inspire and Desire Radio chip because I have a Droid Bionic which is "LTE-CDMA". but since it uses the Qualcomm MDM6600 radio chip which is CDMA/GSM capable, but GSM part is desactivated by Verizon. So searching in the Droid Bionic forum I could find the way to activate the GSM radio, turning the Droid bionic into a Global GSM smartphone.
So, I think the Inspire and the Desired has built in with the same Radio chip, but with certain WCDMA bands activated/desactivated depending on the model.
I just wanted to know the radio chip model, since I couldn't find it searching the web. I bet they use the same radio and there must be a way to activate all bands..
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Since the Inspire 4G and the Desire HD are practically the same device. I wonder if they use the same radio. if they do, I think radio bands could be unlocked to work with a least 850/900/1900/2100MHZ WCDMA bands since the Inspire work on 850/900 and the Desire on 900/2100.
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well by this it seems like your talking about firmware.. might want to edit that and your headline of this thread.
Model: HTC Inspire 4G
CPU: Qualcomm QSD8255
Name: Desire HD
CPU: Qualcomm MSM8255
It's two different chip sets, so I would be very cautious to flash a HD radio. You can try, and let us know if you have a brick or not!
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Model: HTC Inspire 4G
CPU: Qualcomm QSD8255
Name: Desire HD
CPU: Qualcomm MSM8255
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Where did you find this info?
according to Wikipedia and gsmarena is the same chipset:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3706&idPhone2=3468
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It's two different chip sets, so I would be very cautious to flash a HD radio. You can try, and let us know if you have a brick or not!
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In fact is the same chipset: Qualcomm MSM8255. I am using the ARHD and is all the same for both of them: Radio and Roms. The thing is that the Desire HD has the 900/2100 UMTS bands enabled, and the Inspire the 850/1900.
According to the internet the Qualcomm MSM8255 chipset handle all UMTS bands but It can only have 3 of them enabled. So I am just interested in the 850/900 bands. So if I found a way to change the radio basebands I could enable the 900 band to my Inspire. But I couldn't find anything about it in the Web..
from qualcomms website. but who are they to argue with wikipedia lmao. its all 2nd hand info, until u urself crack open each phone its all just web info
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Model: HTC Inspire 4G
CPU: Qualcomm QSD8255
Name: Desire HD
CPU: Qualcomm MSM8255
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Where did you find this info?
according to Wikipedia and gsmarena is the same chipset:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3706&idPhone2=3468
In fact is the same chipset: Qualcomm MSM8255. I am using the ARHD and is all the same for both of them: Radio and Roms. The thing is that the Desire HD has the 900/2100 UMTS bands enabled, and the Inspire the 850/1900.
According to the internet the Qualcomm MSM8255 chipset handle all UMTS bands but It can only have 3 of them enabled. So I am just interested in the 850/900 bands. So if I found a way to change the radio basebands I could enable the 900 band to my Inspire. But I couldn't find anything about it in the Web..
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from qualcomms website. but who are they to argue with wikipedia lmao. its all 2nd hand info, until u urself crack open each phone its all just web info
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if you got it from qualcomm it has to be true.. so let me see the info from the qualcomm website, I cant find anything about the QSD8255 chipset..
https://developer.qualcomm.com/device/htc-inspire-4g
https://developer.qualcomm.com/device/htc-desire-hd
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https://developer.qualcomm.com/device/htc-inspire-4g
https://developer.qualcomm.com/device/htc-desire-hd
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uh.. but the Desire HD is not from AT&T.
I can't find information about the QSD8255 in the qualcomm website neither the web, just some websites that claim the Desire HD also have it too..what a contradiction in the web..
NM8PD98120 is the FCC ID of the inspire if you want to do more digging.
you also have to consider, it may not even allow frequency changes from any kind of software side. Without a datasheet (which qualcomm wont allow public view) you wont know what components youll have to change out on the board to open up those additional ranges. And with phones having such a small life span (~2yrs till trade ins) not many are going to reverse engineer something they will replace soon.
which you could learn what to tinker with if you had both motherboards side by side and probed the pins
Hi dennis5pia,
Wondering if you had any luck in getting 850/1900 out of your Desire HD?
I know of 2 different Desire HD models the
1) A9191 (with 900/2100) http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2598&view=1&c=htc_desire_hd_a9191_htc_ace
2) A9192 (850/1900) http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2727&view=1&c=htc_inspire_4g_a9192_htc_stallion
I'm wanting to see if I can modify my A9191 to become a A9192.
Qualcomm's website doesn't even mention the A9192, but looking at the specs it certainly shares a lot with each other - including the same MSM8255
Whilst not as big a "jump" from a Desire HD to an Inspire 4G, I'd be happy just to get 3G on our Telstra NextG (850) network here in Australia.
Keen to know if anyone else has investigated changing between the 2 Desire HD models or successfully done this?
Kind Regards,
David.
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Hi dennis5pia,
Wondering if you had any luck in getting 850/1900 out of your Desire HD?
I know of 2 different Desire HD models the
1) A9191 (with 900/2100) http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2598&view=1&c=htc_desire_hd_a9191_htc_ace
2) A9192 (850/1900) http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2727&view=1&c=htc_inspire_4g_a9192_htc_stallion
I'm wanting to see if I can modify my A9191 to become a A9192.
Qualcomm's website doesn't even mention the A9192, but looking at the specs it certainly shares a lot with each other - including the same MSM8255
Whilst not as big a "jump" from a Desire HD to an Inspire 4G, I'd be happy just to get 3G on our Telstra NextG (850) network here in Australia.
Keen to know if anyone else has investigated changing between the 2 Desire HD models or successfully done this?
Kind Regards,
David.
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I have the Inspire 4G not the Desire HD. Anyway there is a Desire HD from Telus (I think) that is a9192 and 850/900.
I couldn't be able to enable any other WCDMA band to my device. All I know is that most of the smartphone has a radiochip that can handle all WCDMA bands, but for hardware limitations they couldn't have all of them active or the carrier just lock some bands.
the MSM8255 handle all WCDMA bands but can only have 3 of them enable, but carrieres just enable 2 of them.
Hi, Thanks for the quick reply.
Yes I'm aware of other providers that have the A9192, but don't really want to go to the trouble of selling my A9191 phone & then buy a A9192 - would be great if I could just flash a new firmware onto the phone to switch off / remove the 900/2100 & then switch on the 850/1900 band - turning mine into a A9192.
So, whilst you haven't had any luck with your Inspire 4g do you know if anyone has been able to unlock / change bands on any of these HTC phones where the Qualcomm chipset supports other bands?
Best Regards,
David.
David_PDA2K said:
Hi, Thanks for the quick reply.
Yes I'm aware of other providers that have the A9192, but don't really want to go to the trouble of selling my A9191 phone & then buy a A9192 - would be great if I could just flash a new firmware onto the phone to switch off / remove the 900/2100 & then switch on the 850/1900 band - turning mine into a A9192.
So, whilst you haven't had any luck with your Inspire 4g do you know if anyone has been able to unlock / change bands on any of these HTC phones where the Qualcomm chipset supports other bands?
Best Regards,
David.
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I haven't had any luck on this. I don't know anyone who had unlocked/changed/enabled bands on this phones.
I also found out that the Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon can handle 42Mbps but our phones only support 14.4Mbps. Companies just fool us..
Here is a link to a hardware mod site, that may be able to help.
I'll follow up with them & let you know if I have any luck.
http://www.jtagbox.com/jtag-news/riff-jtag-htc-inspire-4g-a9192-htc-stallion-unbrick-boot-imei-cid-modelid-unlock-supported/
My phone is T-Mobile. I have s-off, supercid, rooted and currently running viper Rom. I'm a att go phone customer. Can't seem to find anythin definite ab this subject. Thx
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My phone is T-Mobile. I have s-off, supercid, rooted and currently running viper Rom. I'm a att go phone customer. Can't seem to find anythin definite ab this subject. Thx
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I don't think so. It's a hardware issue. The physical radio (not the software one) isn't set up to handle AT&T's frequencies.
Yes there is a way to get 4g on art just buy any other phone with these bands
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
This is pretty much common sense that all tmobile phone work on 1700 rather than every other phone in the world
Look in the giant radio/ril thread. Somewhere in there, there should be 1900 modems posted. Backup your current modem and flash the 1900 ones and see if it works.