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With the advent of Android 3.0 ("Gingerbread"), can we all agree..? (Do chime in)
This posting is really @ALLHeadset Makers, but I'd like ppl's opinions. Will they listen? Who knows?
Okay, so it's been "leaked" (which I really consider to be "strategic information divulgence") that Android 3.0 ...
# Minimum hardware requirements for Android 3.0 devices are: 1GHZ CPU, 512MB or RAM, displays from 3.5” and higher.
# New 1280×760 resolution available for the devices with displays of 4” and higher.
# Completely revamped user interface. If you want to get a feeling of what Android 3.0 Gingerbread UX is like, check out the Gallery App on Nexus One. The same overall feel, light animated transitions,etc. Natively, through all the UI.
What I'd really like to see come this holiday season, with both GSM & CDMA offerings is ...
Mandatory Techs
#Worldphone
# QSD8672 (if device is by HTC) @1.5GHz or the next iteration of Hummingbird (if by Samsung); Samsung's S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 is capable of 90 million triangles per second , so I'd like to see –
# GPU capable of at least 180 million TPS, but I'd really like to minimally reach the PS3's 250 million TPS
# at least 1GB RAM
# NAND Flash internal storage (as opposed to [micro]SD)
# Gyroscope
# 8MP+ w/ at least one LED flash (one LED and a Xenon flash for taking photos being preferable, of course, and prob goes w/o saying, but you've GOOOTTA) have a flash ... Can we say Touch Pro2, anyone?) & at least 720p (preferably 1080p) video recording @ 30fps, but capable of 24fps for that look
# front–facing camera, taking video at a minimum VGA resolution, but I think we'd all like to see 1.3MP or more, and at no less than 30fps
# trackball or optical dpad is ABSOLUTELY mandatory, 'cause ... well, why the H3LL NOT!? I mean, really, how much space does it really take up (or cost)? I'd rather have one than not (Can we say Touch Pro2 .., AGAIN!?)
# HD radio
# Stereo speakers &
# at least two microphones (This combination worked very well for the Touch Pro2, so Kudos HTC ... this time...)
# 4" minimum screen size (although I think 5" is juuust right) to take advantage of ...
# 1280×720 & no less (Don't try to sell us short here ... DAMMIT!!!), preferably Super AMOLED, but we know they're in short supply ... and, Samsung's not sharin' the wealth currently
# 24-bit color depth, 'cause 16-bit ... seriously? ::cocking eyebrow:: It's F*&%IN' 2010!! I mean, just say it, twenty-ten. If that doesn't sound like we're in the future, I don't know what does.
# Gorilla Glass display
# Kickstand or tilting keyboard
# USB Host
# SRS 5.1 Virtual Surround
# Bluetooth 3
Possible Techs
# Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 (a la Nokia N8)
# 3D, a la Nintendo 3DS with 2/3D gradient, and all (Haven't seen it in person, so I don't know how effective it is, but everything I've read said it looks great‼)
# Solar paneling. Hmm... ::shrugs::
If the device has a hardware keyboard, it should use an HTC's Touch Pro2–like layout, which is the de facto BEST layout to date. A-GPS, Wi-Fi (which'd better be a/b/g/n ... well, maybe not so much a. ::shrugs:: ), accelerometer, digital compass, proximity & light sensors, 3.5mm audio jack, microSDHC (but, if available, microSDXC) slot that is accessible w/o removing the battery, or even taking off the battery cover, and by that time, 4G, all go w/o saying, and only a damned fool would leave any of these out. I think USB 3.0 would be a nice addition, too, but not mandatory. Also, I feel IR should not only return, but also be implemented with decent range, 'cause although it's slow as F*&%, it was nice to use my device as a universal remote. I never understood why the tech was removed in the first place. ::shrugs::
Well, that's all I really have to say about that. Please, do tell me what you all think. And, hopefully, these wanks in the hardware market, or R&D, or whoever the H3LL scours over the internet to find what customers want and'd be most marketable, sees this and tells his/her higher-ups.
"Goodnight & God Bless" ...
UPDATE: As far as pricing goes, let's not forget that it's most probable that carriers will continue to subsidize at or around the same price the top–of–the–line smartphones have been going for, ~$200—300, and a contract–free price of ~$650—800. Think about it, more oft than not, the successor of one model is released at the same price its predecessor was released at.
Dude,this sounds like a laptop that can make calls etc!With this kind of hardware we'll be able to run pc games on our phones!But we would need a portable power generator to keep the battery alive a whole day straight...Unless they equip these phones with some super 3000 mAh battery!
Anyway...Just remember that a year ago we had the same reaction when speaking about the phones with 1GHz CPU and giant screens that we have today!
****in' technology...It'll make us believe in magic sooner or later!
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tolis626 said:
... Just remember that a year ago we had the same reaction when speaking about the phones with 1GHz CPU and giant screens that we have today!
****in' technology...It'll make us believe in magic sooner or later!
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I, I do believe in magic. lol
But, seriously, though. Very doable.
Tell you what, this minimum specs was Google's first stupid decision! Come on! Devices like HTC Legend have been out for a couple of weeks & now Google says there will be no future for them? Unified android without stupid custom UIs was a great idea but if it meant it would be released for all devices simultaneously not just left owners in the cold! I think having minimum specs like this will only make developers lazy, it means no need for polishing the code & make it light!
In my opinion they should release two versions,one for high-end phones and another for devices without that much breathtaking hardware.Anyone agree?
::bump:: @Samsung
Well, apparently, someone's (ie: Samsung) actually listening to the community. Hopefully not just a rumor, but ...
Samsung i9200 Galaxy S2
4.3" Super AMOLED 2(? ... !! So, I'd imagine 24-bit color depth, too) 1280 X 720 @340 ppi(!!)
2 GHz CPU or a dual-core 1 GHz processor (although this disappoints in that Qualcomm's flagship'll have a dual-core 1.5GHz. Hopefully, they mean 2GHz dual-core )
Bluetooth 3.0
gyroscope
android 3.0
So, like I'd said, hope that's a dual-core 2GHz processor, but if not, ehh. Maybe it'll be comparable, if not better than Qualcomm's offering. 'Cause we can see how the Hummingbird can best the Snapdragon in the gfx dept, currently. The only thing missing for me is the lack of a trackball or optical dpad, which I really, really hope Samsung reconsiders. So, @Samsung, please do reconsider, and please, don't make ppl have to wait for a CDMA offering. Release 'em simultaneously.
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Well, apparently, someone's (ie: Samsung) actually listening to the community. Hopefully not just a rumor, but ...
Samsung i9200 Galaxy S2
4.3" Super AMOLED 2(? ... !! So, I'd imagine 24-bit color depth, too) 1280 X 720 @340 ppi(!!)
2 GHz CPU or a dual-core 1 GHz processor (although this disappoints in that Qualcomm's flagship'll have a dual-core 1.5GHz. Hopefully, they mean 2GHz dual-core )
Bluetooth 3.0
gyroscope
android 3.0
So, like I'd said, hope that's a dual-core 2GHz processor, but if not, ehh. Maybe it'll be comparable, if not better than Qualcomm's offering. 'Cause we can see how the Hummingbird can best the Snapdragon in the gfx dept, currently. The only thing missing for me is the lack of a trackball or optical dpad, which I really, really hope Samsung reconsiders. So, @Samsung, please do reconsider, and please, don't make ppl have to wait for a CDMA offering. Release 'em simultaneously.
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ill buy this samsung, i love their products!
Man I'm drooling just thinking about those specs! I love technology! Oh and OP, you forgot to add a front facing camera in there.
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Guys,how about a phone that can take us to the moon?
Well,all that is really nice and I would kill to get one of those phones,but how much will they cost?Seriously!That sounds like some 1000 euros gone to HTC...
Qualcomm can shove it.
I dont like the whole BREW crap. Just the idea of it.
Texas Instaments is where its at, OMAP4 is 2ghz isnt it? (Been a while since i visited their dev. Site)
As for 3.0, i donvt think it will have those min req. Why would google even ditch their own phone......
The evo spec will ne the min req. If you ask me.
composically
ArcticWolf91 said:
... OP, you forgot to add a front facing camera in there...
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You're absolutely right. Original post's been corrected.
You forgot the suitcase of batteries to power the thing...
Seriously though.. 5" screen? WAY too big for a phone that goes in your pocket.
What the H3LL! Let's throw some solar panels on that ß17©#, too.
Oh dear God, please no F*ing AMOLED display. The pentile matrix on my Desire is driving me crazy, and the Galaxy S I played with was even worse. Crisp LCD text for me please!
Is everyone mad? Those specs are rediculous!! I for one don't want a screen larger then 3.2" maybe 3.5" depending on the form factor. Anything higher then 3.5" wont fit in my tight jeans pockets very well, hell my topaz is even tight enough that I put it in my bag while sitting down.
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Is everyone mad? Those specs are rediculous!! I for one don't want a screen larger then 3.2" maybe 3.5" depending on the form factor. Anything higher then 3.5" wont fit in my tight jeans pockets very well, hell my topaz is even tight enough that I put it in my bag while sitting down.
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Overlooked that a little bit. The 3.7" on my Desire is already too big, to be honest.
Give me 720p 16:9 on a 3.5" LCD please
Display wise, the 1280 x 760 is very achievable, and pixel density, how about 500 ppi, since Steve Jobs lied about the maximum retinal perception.
GOOD eyesight limit: 477ppi.
Source: Samsung (Since they're some of the leaders when it comes to displays.
I think that, if they're going to target consumers who have never used Android before, they need to at least have a phone that is fast, has good multimedia features (camera, etc.), as well as a good hardware design.
The only good Android camera phone that I've seen is the Samsung Galaxy S, which is only 5MP. Also, I think 4.3" is really pushing it for the average consumer. I thought the screen size of the Nexus One (3.7") was perfectly fine, and the max I would go is probably 4.0", assuming that the screen bezel is thin. That is just my opinion, as I don't think I have ever watched videos nor have done heavy reading on a phone while mobile. A larger screen would make reading emails more friendly, but the text is most often wrapped, so a humongous screen is definitely not necessary.
Vonrottes said:
Qualcomm can shove it.
I dont like the whole BREW crap. Just the idea of it.
Texas Instaments is where its at, OMAP4 is 2ghz isnt it?
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Honestly, all of my devices, ever since the UTStarcom/Audiovox/whoevertheF*&%ever PPC-6700, have used Qualcomm processors, so they're all that I know. I don't know whether it's HTC or Qualcomm's fault, or both, but they've been absolutely TERRIBLE in regards to GPUs, just F*&%IN' TERRIBLE‼ I'm not too familiar with OMAP processor performance, but I do know that Samsung's doin' the damn thing with their Hummingbird. I mean, they're outdoing EVERYONE in the GPU department, 3–F*&%IN'–X over‼
Also, I'd updated the original post. I'd forgot an easily accessible microSDHC(XC) slot.
Gingerbread Phone
Since we're all going to the loony bin, let's go ahead and add in a 3D display. Also, a 1750 battery.
I would love:
3.7 - 4.0" display with a resolution of 1080 x 720 and around 400+ PPI (maybe 3D video recording/playback and pictures - no glasses necessary -), 24-bit (180 degree viewing angle)
Dual core 2Ghz TI OMAP 45nm processor with Nvidia Tegra 2 GPU (does that make sense?) (reason for dual core 2Ghz and not just a 2Ghz, they're thinking dual core will be better for battery. one proc. shuts down when not in use saving power)
1GB RAM with 16GB ROM and microSD slot (as previously stated, no need to remove battery cover) (comes with 8-16GB class 6 microSD card)
Able to record excellent quality full 720p videos at constant 30FPS and excellent light sensor for perfect low-light settings. Able to play back 1080p videos
Able to record excellent quality 1080p video at constant 20FPS
Excellent audio quality
Gyroscope + Accelerometer + A-GPS + Bluetooth 3.0 + WiFi b/g/n + digital compass + WiMAX + FM radio + proximity and light sensors
2MP front-facing camera able to record at constant 30FPS
5MP+ back camera with either dual LED flash or one LED for recording and one Xenon for picture taking
1750mAh battery
Capacitive buttons + optical trackball + dedicated camera button
Dual antenna
Three microphones
Unibody aluminum housing with a thin strip of durable rubber along the edges for extra ruggedness
Internal fitted sheet of thin durable rubber on back of phone (remember, internally) for shock resistance
Android mascot placed on bottom left-hand of the device
Preloaded with Inception (LOL. because like the movie, this phone will f*ck your mind)
500 hours stand-by
Up to 10 hours talk time
Up to 15 hours WiFi / 10 hours 3G / 7 hours 4G internet usage
Up to 20 hours video playback
Up to 60 hours audio playback
No 3rd party skinned Android 3.0
No thicker than .06"
No limits placed on hardware/software capabilities
And a game-pad (d-pad, analog stick - think PSP -, a, b, c, d button, L and R bumpers, start and select) casing to buy as an accessory for emulators that works over Bluetooth and only adds roughly .05" thickness when equipped
Did I forget anything?
I'm very surprised the Nexus S didn't come out with a higher resolution Super Amoled screen. Apparently, 2.3 supports higher resolution according to wikipedia. I'm just waiting for a new android phone with a higher resolution/pixel density to put the iphone 4 to shame.
Imagine, a Super Amoled screen with a 1024x768 or 1280x720 resolution would be the best mobile phone screen in the world.
When do you think we will realistically see android phones with higher resolution displays?
The current Super AMOLED screen already trades blows with the Retina Display. I'm sure there will be higher res screens at some point but whats the rush? Wouldnt a higher resolution screen be more of a burden on battery than the current screens already are anyway? I'd see resolutions that high being more relevant for tablets and PMP than phones.
Why? It will drain battery more and more, and higher resolution don't need for still small display. Just imagine, MP3 player with Desktop resolution.
Haha? Try push sensor button, wtf it's so small...
U wanna get more ability to use sensor keyboard? (sarcastic)
Well, android definitely needs to match or better the 640x960 resolution of the iPhone 4 to maintain feature parity.
The current SuperAMOLED screens are less battery consuming than old LCD and Retina, so bigger resolutions shouldn't be a battery problem.
But what's the point of having 1280x768 on a 4" screen?
I'm pretty satisfied with 480x320 on 3.2" and 800x480 on 4" looks also awesome.
The Meizu M9 have a 960x640 display, but (even if you are in china) this little boy is still difficult to find.
The next Meizu (M9ii) will have a 1280×854 or 1280×800 4" screen, and should be animated by a Tegra2 with 1Gb of RAM. They said that the release date will be on middle 2011, so maybe we will be able to grap it in the late 2011.
The two phones are running on a custom android 2.2 (the UI is very different from the classical Android).
For the battery, it's more backlight that drains power.
A higher resolution will only put a little more stress on the GPU, but if the OS is well coded, it should not consume a lot more.
DPI, its all about DPI
You can have all the DPI in the world, but all its gonna mean is LAG and Battery if we're still relying on the CPU to push pixels.
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Why? It will drain battery more and more, and higher resolution don't need for still small display. Just imagine, MP3 player with Desktop resolution.
Haha? Try push sensor button, wtf it's so small...
U wanna get more ability to use sensor keyboard? (sarcastic)
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You have absolutely no comprehension of what resolution is. Look at the iphone going from 480x320 to 960x640. Did the icons get smaller? No I didn't think so. You simply put more pixels into an icon the same size. Because it seems you're under the impression that pixel count determines image size.
however, there is no need for a higher resolution because the display is that too small. better resolution would look like the same as the resolution looks on current phones.
I can see several reasons to be interested in higher screen resolution (but IMHO you will need at least a 3.5" display):
Games
ok, that's not for today, but with ports like the unreal engine on android, phones will become more like a mobile console (PSP phone, for example). A better resolution sounds like a better playing experience, but will still need more powerful hardware (and that's on the way with multi core SOC)
Video
isn't that obvious? and it's essential if you're watching videos with subtitles
Internet
I don't know for you, but on my 800x480 handset, i have to zoom out to have the full page, and zoom in, etc...
With a better screen resolution, the navigation will be easier
It's not interesting for everybody, but I think clivo360 and I are not the only guys looking for a higher resolution screen
Although 4.3" is probably the upper limit for what you'd consider "pocketable", I'd still be attracted to bigger screens and more powerful phones because there are things that can take advantage of them, such as video. Imagine 1080p screens on a phone!
At some point though, phones are probably going to suffer the same problem that PCs did - that hardware outdoes all user needs. Imagine a point where the hardware has reached such a point where for the average user, they don't need the most potent phone anymore. We're already well on the way there. It happened with PCs, where the average user needs office software such as word processing, a spreadsheet, and the Internet, but nothing that demands crazy hardware (the average user is not a high end gamer we're talking here).
A better resolution makes even more difference on an SAMOLED screen compared to an LCD/SLCD - due to the PenTile matrix configuration of pixels a 800x480 SAMOLED screen doesn't really have as many pixels as an 800x480 standard LCD.
Just take a close look at the screen of a Nexus One or Nexus S at some text and you'll see it's slightly fuzzy. See here for more info
Better resolutions aren't available yet because a) it's a relatively new technology and b) manufacturers are having a hard enough time making enough just to cover the existing devices that use them.
AFAIK, there is only one Android device with a larger screen resolution that, as long as you don't live in the good old US of A (and even there it can be done), can make calls: the Samsung Galaxy Tab. But not exactly small enough to fit in your trouser pocket (although it does slip easily into a jacket pocket).
PS: The Tab is fantastic for video (1080p MKV supported), games and general browsing (with plugins set to on-demand) plus the odd short book, although you do look very strange if you answer calls on it without a BT headset (very Trigger Happy).
Ugh, I won't flame people saying we don't need higher resolution, though I wanted to...
Here is one basic application where the higher resolution really does make a difference: Reading text .PDFs.
I tried reading PDFs on my 800 x 480 Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S) and I wish the text was a little smoother. Sure, I'd like a slightly larger screen (no more than 4.3") but if the screen was larger I'd be even more desperate for higher resolution. I'd like to see 1024 * 640 on a 4" Android.
Higher resolution does not nesc. need more battery/CPU power: it's the brightness that uses the battery most.
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I tried reading PDFs on my 800 x 480 Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S) and I wish the text was a little smoother. Sure, I'd like a slightly larger screen (no more than 4.3") but if the screen was larger I'd be even more desperate for higher resolution. I'd like to see 1024 * 640 on a 4" Android.
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Doesn't your phone's AMOLED screen use the PenTile matrix? If so, that's a huge factor. I have 2 Droid Incredibles, one AMOLED w/PenTile matrix, the other SLCD. The SLCD has MUCH smoother text despite both being the same 480x800 resolution. AMOLED w/PenTile matrix has a "screen door effect".
Anyway, Toshiba might make your dream come true, and even exceed what you'd like to see.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/toshiba-enters-pixel-density-fray-with-367ppi-lcds-for-cellphone/
its true about the screen door effect. texting the g2x is very smooth dispite the resolution being the same as the vibrant.
Not sure I could put larger than 4.3" in my pocket
From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/
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From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
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It depends on how it all comes together. A higher quality 5mp camera could produce better results that our 8mp camera so that doesn't scare me. More power is always good. A pure Google phone is always good from a latest and greatest perspective. It's also guaranteed to have NFC which is good.
The screen kind of scares me. My SGS2 screen (an early build) is great but there have been lots of reported QC issues, wide variations in color temperature, the gradient issue, and the left side banding issue. Pushing even more pixels to get to 720p is going to be tough to pull off based on the challenges they experienced in the jump from SAMOLED to SAMOLED+.
The radio's important and I wouldn't go back to something lower than 21MB HSPA+. I doubt it'll support any form of LTE because there are too many frequencies to contend with.
So count me as a "maybe."
Thanks for responding. I am not so sure either. That's why a discussion is a great place to start. Hopefully it will smash the new Iphone.
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/22/google-nexus-prime-processor-detailed/
It all seems over the edge to me. From looking at the previous releases of google phones starting from Nexus One which consisted similar specs to the desire, and the nexus S which again has the similar specs to the Galaxy S, infact they shared the same chipsets. I'm not implying that the prime would indeed carry the similarities of the GS2 on that behalf but maybe not too far off.
An improved build of the AMOLED+ screen with all the banding issue and etc gone (I doubt it'll be 720p either). I'd say yes to dual core and maybe 1.5ghz (why not?). 5mp camera, (really?) I doubt they'd go anything below an 8mp due to competitvity and yes yes we all know that the cmos sensor makes all the difference but most people prefer figures rather than facts which is where the target audience usually lies (consider iphone 5 being the biggest role in competitiveness here).
All in all any specs that surpasses the GS2 is a path to the right direction although it's too early to judge since quad core is only around the corner, so time will tell. I personally wouldn't buy a google phone; my list of reasons would stuff this whole thread.
Next Nexus will also be google with bare basic OS , that means no awesome Samsung media codecs.
Also Nexus S had no external sdcard only 16gigs build in.
Only time will show how crippled its gonna be, sure certain aspects might be better depending who is gonna make it, CPU/GPU might be better , 720p AMOLED screen would be nice or at very least some decked out IPS panel.
Generally nexus devices never been better then some alternatives , but its subjective everyone has different needs. I am more interested in next Galaxy successor !
Yes the galaxy 3 will be a huge step. I think that all the codec support on this device is amazing. The nexus s was OK but destroyed by the s2. The next nexus probably won't beat the s2 when you look at the previous steps taken.
Samsungs software this year has been excellent. It's one of the few devices with duel core being optimised well. Will vanilla android be optimised? Probably not.
nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
EDIT: haah i meant nexus prime , thanks robt772000
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nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
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Nexus Prime
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Nexus "Prime" will be a very good phone (atleast I can hope so!). But even if it smashes GS2, no shame in that. By all accounts, Prime would be released 6+ months after GS2, so it would be a shame if it can't beat GS2.
I am worried about few other points which you guys might have better knowledge:
1. How would be the application support for Ice cream? Will it be compatible with 2.x application?
2. What would be native/suggested resolution and form factor of displays? I assume that it's 480*800 for 2.x models. Is that going to change with Ice cream?
3. What would happen to Honeycomb? Ice cream is supposed to be across both tablets and phones? So, it appears to me that HC was just a stop-gap arrangement to allow android foot-hold in the tablet market.
4. What sort of processors are they going to support? My assumption was that HC was typically made compatible with Tegra2 and the primary reason why it sucked initially. I would bet that if HC ran on Exynos with Samsung optimized drivers, it would be much better than what it is now.
Most people tend think the battle would be with iOS, my idea is that the biggest threat for Ice cream will be from Microsoft!
Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.
My only real concern is the screen quality, the SAMOLED plus is inferior to the regular SAMOLED due to its massive banding and QC issues, for day to day use theres basically no difference between both, For pictures the SAMOLED made some pictures prettier because it was not able to display the flaws/image compression artifacts, color is better on the Plus though. All in all it boils down to the screen quality for me.
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From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/
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All that and probably no micro sd card slot again.
Most definitely. It's the Big G's OFFICIAL phone. And should it have this epic HD-high-resolution 4.0" or 4.3" display. It'll blow the GS2 away. Not to mention whatever minor processor improvements there will be.
Also it'll be rocking 4.0 - K.O - Game Set Match.
Anyhows, I'm just happy they're continuing the Nexus range, because it really is something that showcases Android and combats iOS and that really brings the best of the best to the table. (well so far it has)........well not really with the Nexus S, but that is still a damn good phone. But this Nexus Prime looks like it's going to be another Nexus One, ground-breaking.
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Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.
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hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/
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hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/
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Yes, both MS and Apple are trying to unify the platforms. My view is that Apple will again try to keep that niche segment and their loyal user base. MS, like Google will license their software to other vendors. The whole scenario sounds similar to what happened in the desktop space 20 years back. History repeating itself - we have Apple on one side and MS/Google with a different approach on other. Players like IBM and Compaq making way for present day vendors like Samsung/Nokia etc.,
Ho well, I won't be surprised if in a year from now, with dual core 2ghz ARMs and 1+ gig of ram in phones we will see windows 8 running on smartphones with metro UI on top... If it runs on a tab, it'll run on a smartpone. Hell the SGS2 is crushing any tablet currently, it's just sad that all the SGS are always given unused potential (remember the sgx540 on sgs1, and now exynos mali400 on sgs2). But hey that's what makes them future proof, we'll still see SGS1 running new games and apps in a year or two.
I liked android for the customization and liberty it gave me, but I pretty much ran around it both on tablet (transformer) and phone (SGS1 &2) and I think that my next gen of devices will be wp7.5 mango (if the WP7 SGS2 ever comes out!) and then wp8 stuff late 2012.
Honestly I think the current tab market is just ****ting his pants at windows 8's arrival, because frankly, no iOS or honeycomb can rival win8's functionalities, if it runs smooth of course... (win 8 transformer 2 ).
Standing from here I really see MS as the big winner of following years. Android had 2 years to evolve into something really productive, yet it didn't really came there and still has a lesser quality catalog compared to the app store. But who knows what ICS will bring ? we can only wait.
Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.
It depends on what hardware it will have.
If it will boast a Qualcomm Krait, then it will blow it away. If it uses anything else, then no, it might be slightly faster performance wise, but that's all. The only thing going for it will be the 720p screen, but we still don't know the size of the display or what type it will be.
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Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.
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It's supposed to have a ginormous screen, so think bigger than 4.3" of the SGS2. I don't think it will surpass the DPI of the retina display even at 720p or at that screen size.
If it doesn't surpass SII in every spec then it will be just another SII. You will have to make compromises between a lower mp camera or no card slot, etc. If it beats SII in every section then yes, it will blow it away.
Samsung Nexus for Me
Winner is
Around 2.5x higher resolution screen, 1280x720 vs 800x480
Around 50% crisper display of text, images and video, 315 PPI vs 217 PPI
More than 10% larger screen, 4.6" vs 4.3"
i will go for Nexus !!
I’m going to be buying a new phone soon. I’ve been eyeing up the Galaxy S II but I thought I might as well wait and see what is announced this month. One thing that all top end rumoured phones have in common is a 720p display. I have to admit this alone has tempted me to wait. But then I got to thinking, aside from the ‘cool’ factor. What benefit in the real world will a 720p display bring us?
The two main advantages that I can see are improved PPI and the obvious advantage when playing 720p videos. But a higher PPI means more processing power, which in turn means lower battery life. Also from an admittedly purely lazy point of view it means having to zoom in further to be able to read text.
A 720p display will now mean that 480p videos on youtube and the like will be upscaled and won’t look as good. ‘Just choose the 720p option’ you say. Fine, so long as you’re on wifi. Until 4G hits and is widespread (which in the UK is going to take a while) it will mean longer waits and buffer issues.
Yes I’m nit picking but I’d genuinely like to hear your thoughts on the pros and cons of a 720p display. I know there will be many more I’ve missed.
i see it from 2 sides....
720p = really nice picture quality
720p bad for some apps/games, which might no longer run properly, unless fixed, or some how the hardware can auto adjust the resolution to stretch it to fit.
720p can be a bit of a pain, if some Apps/Games developer decide to use too small of a touch area, due the larger dot-pix available in the 720p area
that also means DVD quality or lower quality videos played on the 720p will look like blurry or smeared, that can be fixed with software/hardware correction, like games.
^^ All that.
Plus, I don't really see the need for a 720 screen that's around the 4" size. Do you really need pixels that small? They'll be smaller than photons if we carry on like this and then it'll be reality that'll have to catch up with our tech
Personally, I wouldn't hold back for purely that one feature, but who knows what else is round the corner. Get a phone and let it be the best for a few months and then slowly drop down the list. As everyone always says, there's always something better coming, and if you waited then you'd never get anything.
Incidentally, I do have the SGS2, and it is REALLY nice
well definitely 1080p will be around the corner as we already stepped into the 720p kingdom
so 1080p on a 4" display would not be a long wait, but it will really make you think, what's the point of cramming so much in such a little screen
i can see 1080p to be a normal thin on a 10" tablet, but on a phone... that's a bit much
i do hope they don't go beyond 720p on any screen smaller than 5"
imagine running Windows Vista/7 on 15" wide LCD at 1080 (there are many laptops that are actually like that) it's soooooo eye strain-ful, it literally kills the eyes
i always down set the resolution back to something more readable to not strain my eyes
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i always down set the resolution back to something more readable to not strain my eyes
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Do you need your reading glasses as well, so you can find your pipe and slippers?
i don't wear glasses, and i intent to keep it that way, reason why i prefer an easy reading, on 480 vs 720
on 720 i'll have to probably the the font size twice as big, to make it easily legible when you are in the car, bus/subway, or walking
no i don't get dizzy reading while doing any of the above
many people can't read if they are in a moving vehicle
probably due the same relevant issue about having to scan the text in a small device and straining your vision, while trying to keep an eye on the road and not crashing
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i don't wear glasses, and i intent to keep it that way, reason why i prefer an easy reading, on 480 vs 720
on 720 i'll have to probably the the font size twice as big, to make it easily legible when you are in the car, bus/subway, or walking
no i don't get dizzy reading while doing any of the above
many people can't read if they are in a moving vehicle
probably due the same relevant issue about having to scan the text in a small device and straining your vision, while trying to keep an eye on the road and not crashing
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I agree with you, therebisbreally no reason to go above 720p resolution on small smartphone devices. I myself notice my eyes begin to hurt after more than thirty minutes or so of heavy reading on my Sensation. Now I know my Sensation does not have 720p but I am just saying the size of the screen and the text on that screen is no doubt a strain on the human eye after extended reading done on the device. 1080p is definitely so,ethimg that should just make it to the larger tablets and not smartphones.
Oh and yes actually paying attention to the road while you are driving is a highly recommended activity lol.
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that also means DVD quality or lower quality videos played on the 720p will look like blurry or smeared, that can be fixed with software/hardware correction, like games.
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This is just plain wrong, low resolution video will look just as good on 720p displays.
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Maybe i miss-understood your question, but i am using the Galaxy SII
I never had any screen / resolution issues
Well,first off,let's not forget that Android supports changing the DPI in build.prop(I think-haven't bothered in a while).I don't think manufacturers will leave 220-240 dpi of the current devices on 720p devices,but they would rather pump it up,so that everything stays the same size,but is just crisper.That's just my thought though.
On another note,lower resolution videos won't look worse at all.Resolution in that aspect is irrelevant.The same way that you can play a 720p video on a 480p screen without problems,you can do the opposite just as well.Unless some manufacturer decides to f*ck it up with upscaling tricks and stuff that will defo make the image blurry and ugly.
The only really valid argument on the topic,in my opinion,is the possible lack of processing power,especially when it comes to GPUs.We even saw the Mali MP-400,the most powerful GPU on a PHONE (DON'T SAY ABOUT THE A5 IN THE iPAD!!!!) to date,struggle to keep up in the case of the Galaxy Note's resolution.If the next gen of SoCs doesn't improve quite a lot in that aspect,we'll see some performance drops for sure.Not to mention the worst thing,the losses of battery life in case that extra power is met.Not that I mind about battery life as long as it makes it through the day,but many many people do.
Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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progressive, opposed to the i of interlaced.
Technically 720i use half the vertical pixels for each frame.
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Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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Yes man,we know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/720p
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Hi!
What do you think about the resolution of 1280 by 800, is that enough/good? I know this is in most tablets out there but should I think of buying tf700 because its fullHD screen.
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Stempanssi said:
Hi!
What do you think about the resolution of 1280 by 800, is that enough/good? I know this is in most tablets out there but should I think of buying tf700 because its fullHD screen.
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I was originally worried it was going to be too low but having owned the tablet for a few months now I can say that its fine. Its obviously not going to look as crisp as a FHD screen but the ppi is already much higher than most laptops nowadays (which have 1280*768 on a larger screen).
If you are still concerned I would advise that you try out this tablet or the other transformers in a shop for a good hour, with all types of use.
I would also say that the only time I really notice any pixelisation is on the home screen, and when reading very small text. You probably couldnt really tell the difference between 1280*800 and 1080p when playing games or watching movies. As already stated in an infinity thread on the general section, this tablet will likely perform better than the infinity due to having a very similar CPU and the same GPU yet less pixels to push.
Good luck with you decision.
i think it s all abouth the price/performance ratio.. a FHD res is always better
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I was originally worried it was going to be too low but having owned the tablet for a few months now I can say that its fine. Its obviously not going to look as crisp as a FHD screen but the ppi is already much higher than most laptops nowadays (which have 1280*768 on a larger screen).
If you are still concerned I would advise that you try out this tablet or the other transformers in a shop for a good hour, with all types of use.
I would also say that the only time I really notice any pixelisation is on the home screen, and when reading very small text. You probably couldnt really tell the difference between 1280*800 and 1080p when playing games or watching movies. As already stated in an infinity thread on the general section, this tablet will likely perform better than the infinity due to having a very similar CPU and the same GPU yet less pixels to push.
Good luck with you decision.
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Thank you very much I think I'm going for the tf300
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