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I bought a phone that has Cyan 7 on it and im messing around with other Roms which ones are compatible where i can just flash from rom manager? I dont want to mess with Odin and other recoveries.

turn off phone hold volume button down and then power button it should boot to the fastboot screen then you can select recovery

Thanks yea i got that part now i just would like to know which ones can i flash from rom manger? And if i do do i backup and wipe and dalvik everytime? Or just dalvik?

Warning - if you're on CyanogenMod-based roms, you need to stay on that family. This means either CM7 or MIUI. If you want to go to a Samsung rom (i897 or i9000), you'll need to use ODIN to properly repartition your internal SD card.

Ok grt so i can grab the miui from rom manager. Do you know which one i can flash? Do i backup exisiting wipe/cache dalvik everytime i flash?

cell2011 said:
Ok grt so i can grab the miui from rom manager. Do you know which one i can flash?
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Much as I'd like to be able to point you in the right direction, I don't use MIUI or Rom Manager myself. I only know the issues with partitioning. Perhaps someone who uses one or both of those pieces of software can help.

Don't use ROM manager. Just download the latest update from the op of the MIUI thread. Installation instructions can also be found there.

What can i flash through Rom manager then other then Cyano 7 nightly which i am on?

cell2011 said:
What can i flash through Rom manager then other then Cyano 7 nightly which i am on?
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Warning - if you're on CyanogenMod-based roms, you need to stay on that family. This means either CM7 or MIUI. If you want to go to a Samsung rom (i897 or i9000), you'll need to use ODIN to properly repartition your internal SD card.
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You can flash CM7 based roms or MIUI. If you dont know what that means, you dont need to be flashing. Go read.

My reply should have said I don't use ROM manager. I just dl from the ROM thread.

I believe any rom that is listed in rom manager you can use. they are for your phone. I have 2fastroms,MIuI,Oxygen and Cyanogenmod. I tested everyone of them. I normal flash a rom set it up to the way I want it. then when I get sick f it I back it up. Format everything and install a differant rom. when I want to go back to my old rom. I format everything and do a restore

ROM Manager

ROM Manager has an option to "Backup Current ROM" and "Manage and Restore Backups". Can all that be used on stock (odexed), rooted ROM?
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I noticed this feature as well. I personally never tried but i am not sure how it would work. It might create a file in the the clockwork mod folder. But i doubt it works. You could always try it out. the worst it could do it bootloop your phone and you can just fxz? haha.

I don't have a method yet for flashing a fxz file. I'm on linux. Ive never been forced to learn how to do it. You try. ;-)
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Haha. That is a great challenge. My phone is charging right now. We need to find another "victim" to do it. I don't think ROM toolbox is very reliable though. Or at least not as reliable as CWM

I use this app to backup and restore apps.
Don't know for sure to backup and restore rom.
Need someone who has warranty to try this though LOL
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kindacrazyazn said:
Haha. That is a great challenge. My phone is charging right now. We need to find another "victim" to do it. I don't think ROM toolbox is very reliable though. Or at least not as reliable as CWM
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We're talking about ROM Manager by Koushik Dutta. Not "ROM Toolbox". Right?
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As far as backing up and restoring a stock rom, I fairly certain that it will. However, it depends on a CWM mod recovery and at the moment all we have is a frankinmod recovery and Rom Manager doesn't even acknowledge it.
So, if we had CWM in better shape, or a way for Rom Manager to see it, then everything else would fall into place.
On a random note, Rom Manager will boot into recovery with our frankinmod, but that's about it.

@41rw4lk
These are exactly the concerns i have.
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I was referring to ROM Toolbox but i personally never trusted ROM Toolbox or ROM manager. But that is just me personally.

ROM Manager makes things a whole lot easier for flashing ROMs and backing up/restoring. It's developed by koushikdutta, the same person that develops CWM, so everything should be seamlessly integrated. But as 41rw4lk stated, ROM Manager only partially detects our modified, bootstrapped recovery (it can boot into it but no automation). However, you can get it to work on the A2 . Apply the A2 bootstrap, then flash the Bionic recovery from ROM Manager, then re-apply the A2 bootstrap.
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kindacrazyazn said:
I was referring to ROM Toolbox but i personally never trusted ROM Toolbox or ROM manager. But that is just me personally.
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Using ROM Toolbox for flashing/restoring/backing up/etc only works if you have the premium ROM Manager. It uses methods from the premium ROM Manager to do just what ROM Manager does. So ROM Toolbox works although there isn't really a reason to use it.

I did away with the bootstrapper and use the cwm on every boot method, which is built into the Sonya rom now I believe. Can I flash the Bionic recovery still without messing everything up?

41rw4lk said:
I did away with the bootstrapper and use the cwm on every boot method, which is built into the Sonya rom now I believe. Can I flash the Bionic recovery still without messing everything up?
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yes it will work finr as i have done so. Also, the options in rom manager that alow you to backup or restore a rom do work as i have used both mutiple times with out a problem. I just flashed the new lithium rom today right after i backed up my atrix sonya rom using the backup option.

@cogeary
Is there a method to remove the Bionic Recovery? When the Atrix 2 Recovery becomes available would we install that over the Bionic?
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rob219 said:
yes it will work finr as i have done so. Also, the options in rom manager that alow you to backup or restore a rom do work as i have used both mutiple times with out a problem. I just flashed the new lithium rom today right after i backed up my atrix sonya rom using the backup option.
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I just flashed the Bionic recovery and it works perfectly with Rom Manager. One click backup. Thanks for the tip.

KEB64 said:
@cogeary
Is there a method to remove the Bionic Recovery? When the Atrix 2 Recovery becomes available would we install that over the Bionic?
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im not sure about removing it from out phone, but i do know if we ever get an officail or unofficial recovery made just for the atrix 2 you would just either flash it using rom manager (if its in the list of devices) or flash the zip in recovery and reboot into your rom or reboot recovery to check it out.

Technically, the recoveries we're flashing now aren't replacing the system recovery, they're just put in the system and loaded like any other script. If you try to get to recovery manually with buttons, you hit the default system recovery. If we ever get an unlocked bootloader and an official CWM then we're golden and can overwrite the system recovery. So uninstalling everything else should be a matter of deleting scripts, or just not build them into roms anymore since we won't need to.
It's late, so if I'm talking out my ass I apologize. I will say, I appreciate all the work and help from everyone here.

[Q] What exactly does ROM Manager's fake flash do?

Simple question that I can't find an answer to...
What exactly does ROM Manager's flash option do? If it's a fake flash where does it write the recovery program to and how does it get the phone to boot it? I don't see any kind of update zip on either the internal or external SD so it must have written it to one of the partitions on the block device, but which one and what did it replace?
The phone is a Wind Mobile G2X not a T-Mobile and stock recovery is nothing more than factory reset + reboot. As far as I can tell it's still there and I can still get into it with power+volume-down at boot, so that's not what ROM Manager replaced I guess.

yuma80 said:
Simple question that I can't find an answer to...
What exactly does ROM Manager's flash option do? If it's a fake flash where does it write the recovery program to and how does it get the phone to boot it? I don't see any kind of update zip on either the internal or external SD so it must have written it to one of the partitions on the block device, but which one and what did it replace?
The phone is a Wind Mobile G2X not a T-Mobile and stock recovery is nothing more than factory reset + reboot. As far as I can tell it's still there and I can still get into it with power+volume-down at boot, so that's not what ROM Manager replaced I guess.
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The problem with ROM Manager is that it messes up the files when flashing a ROM or any file. It is more advised to use CMW Recovery.

yuma80 said:
Simple question that I can't find an answer to...
What exactly does ROM Manager's flash option do? If it's a fake flash where does it write the recovery program to and how does it get the phone to boot it? I don't see any kind of update zip on either the internal or external SD so it must have written it to one of the partitions on the block device, but which one and what did it replace?
The phone is a Wind Mobile G2X not a T-Mobile and stock recovery is nothing more than factory reset + reboot. As far as I can tell it's still there and I can still get into it with power+volume-down at boot, so that's not what ROM Manager replaced I guess.
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Rom Manager should not be used on the G2x. If you flash a rom and something goes wrong and you can not boot you are dead in the water. Use Nvidia CWM instead.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847

Yes thanks. I understand that I shouldn't use ROM Manager, but I want to know what it does and why it doesn't work. For starters anybody know where it writes CWM to?
Worse comes to worse I'm just going to dump /dev/block/mmc* and look for strings or disassemble the apk or something...

yuma80 said:
Yes thanks. I understand that I shouldn't use ROM Manager, but I want to know what it does and why it doesn't work. For starters anybody know where it writes CWM to?
Worse comes to worse I'm just going to dump /dev/block/mmc* and look for strings or disassemble the apk or something...
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I've always been curious about the details of a 'fake flash' too.. please let us know if you figure out any details.

Rom manager has been around since the original Droid from Verizon. The fake flash you refer to isn't actually a fake flash. It actually flashes CWM recovery. It just doesn't work on this particular phone. I may be wrong on the exact details but the G2x partitions and drivers require the use of NVflAsh to install the CWM. However, there are many phones that once they have been rooted, the user can install Rom Manager and use the Flash Recovery option to install their CWM recovery. There are also times when a particular recovery version (ie.. 5.0.5. Or 4.6.3) works better than another on one particular phone. Rom manager allows users an easy way of flashing between those CWM versions by simply pushing the flash button.
So in summary of a long response... it is only called a fake flash because it looks like it worked on our phone , but in fact it does not. We have to use NVflash to flash our recovery.
If it looks like I'm remotely right ( which I think I am..) hit that thanks button. (Shameless request, I know)

From my understanding, the "fake flash" that ROM Manager does is that it doesn't actually flash CWM like NVFlash does (on the recovery partition) but still puts the CWM files on your SD card saying that you do have it installed (sdcard/clockworkmod) so when you try to flash/install a ROM, it can't put it anywhere. I don't think it will flash anything, but people mess up their devices by wiping data/system and such...
OR...
Maybe it does flash CWM to your device but it has the partition tables all messed up?
One or the other lol, it's just a guess for both options but I believe the first one is right.

I've wondered for a while why rom manager is included in roms for the g2x when it's not advised to use it
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DorisTheHeavy said:
I've wondered for a while why rom manager is included in roms for the g2x when it's not advised to use it
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To rename your nandroid backups .

buru898 said:
To rename your nandroid backups .
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I never thought about that. I was always unsure what flashing CWM with ROM Manager would do when it's already on my phone using NVFlash.

Since our phones have a dual partition in it. I think it flashes to the internal 1 gig memory so then loading another rom writes over it.
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OK, I finally had some time to do some poking around. Some of this is guess-work since I was too lazy to verify 100% exactly what it does when you specify that you're running a G2X.
Anyway, in it's settings DB it says this phone's recovery partition is read-only, and there's no flash command set, so I guess it doesn't try to flash it directly. It looks like it's relying on the Google stock recovery image to do the flashing instead, so it downloads a recovery-update.zip to the SD card and writes a script to /cache/recovery and reboots the phone into recovery mode. Google stock recovery would execute the script in /cache/recovery, which says to apply recovery-update.zip, but the actual stock recovery on the phone is either not Google stock, or has been modified; it doesn't bother to execute scripts, it just does a factory-reset (clear /cache, /data, etc) so that's why it doesn't work.
Meanwhile, ROM Manager writes to it's DB that it just flashed CWM version X.Y.Z and happily displays that every time it runs, even though that's not true.
I used NVFlash and moved on with my life.

CWM Can't see my backup

I fragged up Android by applying an update, so I can't boot into Android.
I can get into CWM, but it doesn't see my backup... The backup is in /clockwordmod/backup/2013-03-17-14.09.00 . I can see it when I put my SD card in the PC.
However, CWM isn't finding it when it's in the device, and there's no option to direct CWM to where it is....
Solution anyone?

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damian5000 said:
I fragged up Android by applying an update, so I can't boot into Android.
I can get into CWM, but it doesn't see my backup... The backup is in /clockwordmod/backup/2013-03-17-14.09.00 . I can see it when I put my SD card in the PC.
However, CWM isn't finding it when it's in the device, and there's no option to direct CWM to where it is....
Solution anyone?
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Hi there!
What I can think of is first of all save your CWM backup to your PC.
Then you'd really have to flash a ROM to at least a version that will enable you to use the version of your backup: say if the ROM requirement that you had installed when you made the backup was 4.0.4 then install any ROM of that. You won't have to install any apps then.
You can then install X-parts from Google Play and with that CWM but that will not be a "stuck-on" CWM as any ROM upgrade will remove it BUT the beauty of it is that in your backup [which you'll then copy from your PC to the same folder you describe above make a Restore] you have the CWM that will stick and from there on won't have to worry.
Sounds like a bit of work but personally I don´t see a way around it...this is what I would do to get things as before.
Hope this works for you and do let me know.
Oh and don't forget to click THANKS.

ac3ofS2 said:
Hi there!
What I can think of is first of all save your CWM backup to your PC.
Then you'd really have to flash a ROM to at least a version that will enable you to use the version of your backup: say if the ROM requirement that you had installed when you made the backup was 4.0.4 then install any ROM of that. You won't have to install any apps then.
You can then install X-parts from Google Play and with that CWM but that will not be a "stuck-on" CWM as any ROM upgrade will remove it BUT the beauty of it is that in your backup [which you'll then copy from your PC to the same folder you describe above make a Restore] you have the CWM that will stick and from there on won't have to worry.
Sounds like a bit of work but personally I don´t see a way around it...this is what I would do to get things as before.
Hope this works for you and do let me know.
Oh and don't forget to click THANKS.
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Yea, what I ended up doing was installing a stock ROM, then installing Rom Manager. From ROM manager the backup installs no problem... But if booting directly to recovery, it can't find it, even though it's in the standard spot... It seems halfway pointless to me to have a backup that can't be restored from recovery... but who am I to judge :silly:

damian5000 said:
Yea, what I ended up doing was installing a stock ROM, then installing Rom Manager. From ROM manager the backup installs no problem... But if booting directly to recovery, it can find it, even though it's in the standard spot... It seems halfway pointless to me to have a backup that can't be restored from recovery... but who am I to judge :silly:
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Okay... I think I found what the problem was. From within CWM App, I changed storage to external as opposed to internal, now the backups are found from recovery. Not 100% sure that's what the issue was, because I've wiped and installed a couple different ROMs since having the issue.

damian5000 said:
Okay... I think I found what the problem was. From within CWM App, I changed storage to external as opposed to internal, now the backups are found from recovery. Not 100% sure that's what the issue was, because I've wiped and installed a couple different ROMs since having the issue.
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Hi there mate!
Thanks for sharing what the prob was at the end of it all...I surely learned something and my THANKS to you is given.
See ya around the Forum...

So what is this; kernels and themes?

Just got my first device rooted.
Now i have installed a ROM.
I feel awesome.
But then i read this
"With ROM Manager you can back up your existing ROM, flash new ROMs, and install custom themes or kernels. It features a long list of ROMs which is frequently updated and you can install ROMs to the SD card or OTA (over the air). If you want to unlock features like premium ROMs, update notifications, and automatic backups, then you’ll need to spring for the premium version."
So now i am trying to figure out what custome themes are and what custom kernels are compared to the Avatar ROM i installed.

behedwin said:
Just got my first device rooted.
Now i have installed a ROM.
I feel awesome.
But then i read this
"With ROM Manager you can back up your existing ROM, flash new ROMs, and install custom themes or kernels. It features a long list of ROMs which is frequently updated and you can install ROMs to the SD card or OTA (over the air). If you want to unlock features like premium ROMs, update notifications, and automatic backups, then you’ll need to spring for the premium version."
So now i am trying to figure out what custome themes are and what custom kernels are compared to the Avatar ROM i installed.
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Now let me put this simple. The ROM is the operating system of your device (OS). You know what a theme is. Its just changing the way things look can be your icons, interface shade/colour,etc. Its just visuals. And the next is kernel. Kernels are the thing which links your OS and hardware. Literally they are responsible for the way your phone behaves. Custom kernels has tweaks whicj can improve your device's performance, the battery drain, way your processor's I/O works.. It helps you to do things like over clock and under clock,etc. But it is risky as your manufacturer has made a stable kernel for your device and these custom kernels may be unstable. Sure thing you dont want to mess with em unless you know what you are doing. Now as you have choice to do things like changing ROMs and Kernels using Rom manager, i would recommend you to use CWM and flash zip files which has ROMs and Kernels made specifically for your device as this is more safe. But be sure to have a backup as installing something not meant for your device will brick it. Dont worry. Have a backup and also Odin with stock rom incase its really hard bricked. If it helped hit thanks button plz..

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Now let me put this simple. The ROM is the operating system of your device (OS). You know what a theme is. Its just changing the way things look can be your icons, interface shade/colour,etc. Its just visuals. And the next is kernel. Kernels are the thing which links your OS and hardware. Literally they are responsible for the way your phone behaves. Custom kernels has tweaks whicj can improve your device's performance, the battery drain, way your processor's I/O works.. It helps you to do things like over clock and under clock,etc. But it is risky as your manufacturer has made a stable kernel for your device and these custom kernels may be unstable. Sure thing you dont want to mess with em unless you know what you are doing. Now as you have choice to do things like changing ROMs and Kernels using Rom manager, i would recommend you to use CWM and flash zip files which has ROMs and Kernels made specifically for your device as this is more safe. But be sure to have a backup as installing something not meant for your device will brick it. Dont worry. Have a backup and also Odin with stock rom incase its really hard bricked. If it helped hit thanks button plz..
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Awesome now i have a good hint of what each thing are.
Now this lead me to some more questions.
Since i have already rooted my device. I have installed Avatar ROM and tested some others...
But i never made any backups... Is it to late for that?
Is my best choice to download Titanium Backup and backup everything with that application?
You said something else about Odin, how to backup aswell with that?
What is CWM and how does it differ from Rom Manager?
When i install a ROM i download a zip file, put it on my device SD card
Boot the phone in and wipe data, wipe cache, wipe delvik (or whatever it is called) and last install the new .zp file.

behedwin said:
Awesome now i have a good hint of what each thing are.
Now this lead me to some more questions.
Since i have already rooted my device. I have installed Avatar ROM and tested some others...
But i never made any backups... Is it to late for that?
Is my best choice to download Titanium Backup and backup everything with that application?
You said something else about Odin, how to backup aswell with that?
What is CWM and how does it differ from Rom Manager?
When i install a ROM i download a zip file, put it on my device SD card
Boot the phone in and wipe data, wipe cache, wipe delvik (or whatever it is called) and last install the new .zp file.
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CWM is clockword mod recovery. An advanced recovery which has more options than stock recovery. I guess you already has cwm. Probably it must be what you used to flash the Rom and clear cache. Now to Titanium backup, it backs up the whole phone, so do cwm. As we use CWM for our flashing and other things, cwm backups should be enough unless you got space on your sd to have many backup files. And if your phone is working perfectly right now then its never late to take a cwm backup as if you ever encounter a bootloop while tweaking, you can restore your phone. Sometimes even cwm fails to fix your phone. This is where Odin comes in handy. Odin is a pc software which can be used to flash the stock Rom of your device. You can search and find the Stock Rom for your device and region if you google. You can find how to flash using odin guides out there. Flashing stock rom via odin will remove every traces of ever tweaking your phone which includes rooting, flashing of custom roms and kernels,etc. Your device will be just like when you bought it. This is helpful when you want to take your phone to service centres as rooting and doing other stuffs will void your warranty. Hopes this helps...

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CWM is clockword mod recovery. An advanced recovery which has more options than stock recovery. I guess you already has cwm. Probably it must be what you used to flash the Rom and clear cache. Now to Titanium backup, it backs up the whole phone, so do cwm. As we use CWM for our flashing and other things, cwm backups should be enough unless you got space on your sd to have many backup files. And if your phone is working perfectly right now then its never late to take a cwm backup as if you ever encounter a bootloop while tweaking, you can restore your phone. Sometimes even cwm fails to fix your phone. This is where Odin comes in handy. Odin is a pc software which can be used to flash the stock Rom of your device. You can search and find the Stock Rom for your device and region if you google. You can find how to flash using odin guides out there. Flashing stock rom via odin will remove every traces of ever tweaking your phone which includes rooting, flashing of custom roms and kernels,etc. Your device will be just like when you bought it. This is helpful when you want to take your phone to service centres as rooting and doing other stuffs will void your warranty. Hopes this helps...
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Thank you.
I can tho not figure out how to know for sure if i have CWM or not. I have no apps called that.
And how do i do a CWM backup if i can start CWM some other way than using an app icon ?

behedwin said:
Thank you.
I can tho not figure out how to know for sure if i have CWM or not. I have no apps called that.
And how do i do a CWM backup if i can start CWM some other way than using an app icon ?
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CWM is a shell and not an app and it cannot be installed on android os so you cant access it through your Rom but you can run it whenever you need it but through stock recovery. CWM comes as a .zip file which should be selected from stock recovery or in other words flash it. It will open cwm recovery. And you can access advanced recovery options which stock recovery doesn support. Well search and download cwm for your device, place it sd card root(not inside any folder), run it using install update option on your stock recovery, it will open cwm which will be in yellow colour themed. Select backup and restore opt in it and select backup. That will take care of taking full backup of your device.

haridevil99 said:
CWM is a shell and not an app and it cannot be installed on android os so you cant access it through your Rom but you can run it whenever you need it but through stock recovery. CWM comes as a .zip file which should be selected from stock recovery or in other words flash it. It will open cwm recovery. And you can access advanced recovery options which stock recovery doesn support. Well search and download cwm for your device, place it sd card root(not inside any folder), run it using install update option on your stock recovery, it will open cwm which will be in yellow colour themed. Select backup and restore opt in it and select backup. That will take care of taking full backup of your device.
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Awesome, this thread have cleared many small things that come as so obvious for those that have done this for some time.
Perfect for me to quick understand what I am reading in threads and other sources.
I have now a CWM backup, Titan Backup and installed Odin and found my stock ROM to use if things goes to ****.

behedwin said:
Awesome, this thread have cleared many small things that come as so obvious for those that have done this for some time.
Perfect for me to quick understand what I am reading in threads and other sources.
I have now a CWM backup, Titan Backup and installed Odin and found my stock ROM to use if things goes to ****.
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Well.. Thats good to hear. And there was none other than me. And anyway a small precaution, never interrupt while you are flashing through Odin coz it will hard brick your device which is literally R.I.P to your device.