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Sense 3.0

Just saw the New Sense 3.0 on the newly announced Sensation. Will our Desire S going to have a taste of that new UI?
Sent from my HTC Desire S

It depends on how the hardware can cope with the new sense. Probably, but not likely

So indeed the answer is no... Have a look at engadget website (I am not allowed to post links yet...)
"HTC Sense 3.0 will only support Sensation, EVO 3D, Flyer and newer devices, older hardware left behind"

Okay, I've already read the article. But what would be Android's next version? Will it have hardware specifics too?

titus1 said:
Okay, I've already read the article. But what would be Android's next version? Will it have hardware specifics too?
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The Desire S has 2.3.3 Gingerbread, which is currently the latest version of Android for phones. As for Ice Cream (of unknown numbering), there's no telling what hardware requirements Google may impose, so we won't know if Ice Cream will make its way to the Desire models.
TheUndutchable said:
So indeed the answer is no... Have a look at engadget website (I am not allowed to post links yet...)
"HTC Sense 3.0 will only support Sensation, EVO 3D, Flyer and newer devices, older hardware left behind"
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That's not entirely true. In their first tweet, which everyone is quite well aware of, HTC said that Sense 3.0 won't be supported on their older models (including the Desire S) due to the limitations of their older hardware.
However, in a later tweet, which many people may have overlooked, they mentioned that while they can't port the whole Sense 3.0, they have been trying to port other improvements that aren't so performance-dependent to the older models.
As a result, while older hardware may not be able to run Sense 3.0 to the satisfaction of their QA division, there are other features that can be brought in. In fact, from the leaked HTC Desire Gingerbread ROM, we know that HTC is trying to bring, amongst other things, the very useful Fast Boot feature to the old HTC Desire. Fast Boot does not eat up additional CPU cycles or occupy extra RAM in order to realise its benefits, so it is an ideal candidate for them to bring to their older models without hampering their performance.
Lastly, if it helps you sleep better, rest assured that the developers at xda are working hard at porting the inevitable leaked ROMs to the old models, though the quality of the experience is anyone's guess.

The guys in the desire hd forum have a leaked sense 3.0 rom....stumbling block seems to be the screen resolution.
Im sure sense 3.0 will be unofficially supported on most of the 2010/2011 htc devices
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Whether it gets it officially is one question.
But this article shows that people are already trying Custom ROMS on the Desire HD with it.....so once our device is unlocked/rooted it will only be a matter of time
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/desire-hd-gets-the-first-ever-pyramid-port-yes-sense-3-0-too/

the hd2 with old outdated hardware even got the port. so clearly htc is lying abt compatability. they just want the new sense on their latest flagship phones so ppl will buy it.

The reason for haddware capability is that the sense takes up 3gb storage, the sensation has 4gb rom, but 1gb accessible; the 3gb is used up by the rom + sense
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olyloh6696 said:
the hd2 with old outdated hardware even got the port. so clearly htc is lying abt compatability. they just want the new sense on their latest flagship phones so ppl will buy it.
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This has been discussed ad nauseum on xda, but it always bears repeating to note that the HD2 is anything but outdated. A 1 GHz single-core processor and 512 MB RAM is a very common spec in the current range of phones. By the same yardstick, we would be calling the Galaxy S and HTC Desire 'outdated' as well.
I won't discount the possibility that they're doing this to increase the appeal of the Sensation, but let's keep in mind that Sense 3.0 has only some incremental updates. People won't go for the Sensation just for some cool 3D animations and a fancy lockscreen, and for the same reasons, a lot of us won't miss it too. Besides, they do need some differentiating factor for their flagship model that takes advantage of its hardware.

well the reason i consider the hd2 outdated hardware is that it has the 1st gen cpu snapdgragon, which has been suceeded by the mich more powerful effiecitne 2nd gen. S if htc ae limiting the update on the dhd for
'a weak hardware'(2nd gen cpu) than the hd2 (1st gen) gets the update working smooth
so clearly it isnt much of a hardware requirement!

I agree with you. There's nothing to stop us from running Sense 3.0 on our current phones, but to my knowledge, the Sense 3.0 port isn't always that smooth on the DHD, let alone the HD2. The obvious problems with screen resolution aside, it's true that it's working so far, but such tests have so far been done at a low level of activity (fresh boot), and without all the cached programs and background processes one would expect in a typical Android phone that is used on a daily basis. When you start factoring in the demands of placed upon a phone to complete everyday tasks, lags and other issues will start cropping up, especially with an interface as heavy as Sense 3.0.
I mean, you could run AutoCAD on your home desktop now, and it might even work with something simple like drawing a rectangle, but that doesn't mean it'll continue to work so smoothly when you're using it for a normal workload, like designing an automobile. Sounds somewhat exaggerated, I know, but hardware does matter where a smooth user experience is concerned.

Madrenergic said:
I agree with you. There's nothing to stop us from running Sense 3.0 on our current phones, but to my knowledge, the Sense 3.0 port isn't always that smooth on the DHD, let alone the HD2. The obvious problems with screen resolution aside, it's true that it's working so far, but such tests have so far been done at a low level of activity (fresh boot), and without all the cached programs and background processes one would expect in a typical Android phone that is used on a daily basis. When you start factoring in the demands of placed upon a phone to complete everyday tasks, lags and other issues will start cropping up, especially with an interface as heavy as Sense 3.0.
I mean, you could run AutoCAD on your home desktop now, and it might even work with something simple like drawing a rectangle, but that doesn't mean it'll continue to work so smoothly when you're using it for a normal workload, like designing an automobile. Sounds somewhat exaggerated, I know, but hardware does matter where a smooth user experience is concerned.
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good point. anyway, at the end of the day, it really depends what the user prefers; the latest best software to compromise for a slower, slightly laggy phone, or for the official updates.
IMO, i will be quite happy with what htc have to bring to the Desire S (their version of 3.0) I'm not to bothered about the fancy 3d spinning cubes, but i'd like the new lockscreen, and weather widgets (we should hopefully get the new weather thing as the WP7 HD7has it on a single core 1st Gen Snapdragon CPU)

olyloh6696 said:
good point. anyway, at the end of the day, it really depends what the user prefers; the latest best software to compromise for a slower, slightly laggy phone, or for the official updates.
IMO, i will be quite happy with what htc have to bring to the Desire S (their version of 3.0) I'm not to bothered about the fancy 3d spinning cubes, but i'd like the new lockscreen, and weather widgets (we should hopefully get the new weather thing as the WP7 HD7has it on a single core 1st Gen Snapdragon CPU)
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Definitely. That's why we love xda. There's just so much choice and freedom to do what we want to our phone that suits our tastes. I hope the devs here manage to hack Sense 3.0 so that everyone can flash it to enjoy. I, on the other hand, have to be content with what Samsung gives me. Cheers.

Is the Desire S the ugly sister?

Last year we had the Original Desire, it wasn't long before it was rooted and had plenty of support.
This year we had the Incredible S, The Desire S and the Sensation and its like the Desire S has been forgotten about.

I think it's because the phone is so similar to the incredible s with the incredible s being slightly better. Also by naming it desire s you expect it to carry on the legacy of the original desire which i don't think it pulled off that well.

dan-fish said:
I think it's because the phone is so similar to the incredible s with the incredible s being slightly better. Also by naming it desire s you expect it to carry on the legacy of the original desire which i don't think it pulled off that well.
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It didn't carry the legacy of the Desire at all, I'm regretting getting it, it is a fantastic phone but its never gonna get any decent level of support.

Spoke to someone in the trade.They think the desire s will be abandoned by htc meaning no support or updates.Its a major flop hence the cheap deals.They cant give them away.

Problem is it was released at the wrong time, there will be little to no support from hackers either I suspect.
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still a sick phone though.
prolly once the s-off-ing gets released, more people will develop/port to desire S.
my guess is most roms could be ported over easily to DS from IS and DHD

I wonder is the Incredible S having the same issues thanks to the Sensation? I think the Galaxy SII is the Desire of 2011, it'll be the one getting all the support I reckon.

I just hope it'll get S-Off'd so I can root my device
That's all and people are doing that
It's a mid-range phone, so most people will get it, but very little of the dev community on xda will get it unless they are trying to make major developments on it which sucks D:

Is HTC not supposed to be unlocking the boot loader? Or is this just going to be on new phones?

I thought it was just new phones.
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Phillmitchell said:
Spoke to someone in the trade.They think the desire s will be abandoned by htc meaning no support or updates.Its a major flop hence the cheap deals.They cant give them away.
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I doubt that very much. The Desire S is stable with no generic problems, updates to sense 3.0 will come in due course, it is something they are working on. Incredible S has not received any updates since the 2.3 update, while the Desire S launched with 2.3. I fail to understand what the fuss is all about

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I doubt that very much. The Desire S is stable with no generic problems, updates to sense 3.0 will come in due course, it is something they are working on. Incredible S has not received any updates since the 2.3 update, while the Desire S launched with 2.3. I fail to understand what the fuss is all about
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@others i am pretty sure the phone will get updates in the future...
& alpharevX team is working on software s-off & have succeeded they will release it in public soon...

Alsoo you can't say anything about it not getting updates no more
I recieved an OTA update just now (like literally 15 minutes ago) and all it adds is **** i don't want. (bloatware). Yayyyy
new software number now = 1.47.161.2

I, like others on this forum, don't really see what the problem is. I came from a Hero and got the Desire S based on its merits as a handset straight out of the box, not what it could be with rooting and modding. As a straight out of the box experience, I've been overjoyed with the performance, look 'n' feel and general use of this phone. I did pay to borrow an XTC clip and s-off'd it quite quickly and as a tinkering handset, it's even better. The important thing is I would have been happy with it as it was... the s-off and root just makes a great handset even greater
The recent (albiet buggy) ports of Miui and Gingerbread/CM7 are evidence that the Desire S has a rich and rommy future

I'm guessing that everyone posting in this thread has a Desire S in which case...
If as me you like the device (which was why I bought it in the first place) then great, I can't see any need to continue adding to this thread.
If you don't - then buy another device or IMO don't continue adding negative posts to threads like this that will mainly be read only by other Desire S owners. It's still too early to predict/guess the level of support the device will get in the future and as the last month should have shown us no-one can accurately predict what HTC will do!
We all have the device and probably will all have it for at least one year, in some cases maybe two so either way we'll have to live with. So let's at least try to be positive!

Best phone Iv had. Coming from the HD2, and more recently the Galaxy S2, I cam honestly say this phone is near perfect. I diched the Galaxy S2 in the end because the touchwiz was in my opinion behind the HTC sense interface. The S2 was buggy and battery life lousy. The des S's build quality it brilliant, has a really quality feel to it. The 3.7 inch screen is also just right.. Hits the sweetspot between portability and usability. Personally I feel the 4" plus screens make the handset to big... Feels like taking a step back. Sure, the S2s hardware beats the desires in everyway, but when it comes to usability.. The desire kills it. For starters, theres no lag when waking up the phone..shockingly there is with the s2 which boasts a dual core processor. To sum up, I feel that the desire s is an awesome handset, not the most powerful, but it's reliable, does the things you want it to and more outa the box..and once s-off'd and sense 3 components added, I feel the phones near perfect. If I had to suggest just one improvement, I'd say keep the phone exactly as it is..but add some dual core muscle.
There.. That's my two pence worth.

No phone will get manufacturer support for more than 18 months or so in the new retail world. As to whether enough modders buy it to make it better, I really don't care much. I'd like HTC to fix a few niggles, but basically that's about it. I don't particularly care if it is upgraded to Android 3.0 either.

I came from the original Desire which I rooted and tried numerous different roms infact I got addicted to flashing not one week would go past without me trying a new Rom
My main qualms with the desire were lack of internal memory and I couldn't wait for gingerbread and sense 2.1
Now the DS has all these features as standard and people are still not happy in time all the custom roms will come you will be able to root and be s-off I'm sure when the original desire came out all these didn't turn up over night
So people please be patient
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I feel that the Desire S is the most attractive HTC phone in general.

I agree, it's pretty looking, robust, not too big.

android 4.0

Dont know if this is a dumb qustion but will android 4.0 be released for desire s?

This is what HTC had to say about the occasion:
"We are excited about the latest update for Android, Ice Cream Sandwich, and are currently reviewing its features and functionality to determine our upgrade plans. Our goal for Android updates is to give every customer an improved user experience, which means balancing each phone's unique hardware, HTC Sense experience and the Android kernel. While our goal is to upgrade as many of our recent devices as possible, we are committed to maintaining every phone's performance and usability first. Please stay tuned for more updates on specific device upgrade plans."
Maybe yes, maybe not!

I also want to know.....pls cm will let it come true
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If not by HTC, then you most probably will find some ports or AOSP on Dev section.

If the only criterium they use is the technical capability of the phone (as they say they will) I would definitely say yes: the cpu can easily be overclocked to 1.2 gHz, and they recently published a phone (bliss) with identical characteristics as the desire s. I don't think that they are not going to provide an update for a device of about one month old.
On the other hand: many people will consider switching to a new device if they don't update it.
We'll just have to wait for an official statement, I'm afraid...

Looking forward to this coming out on our phones! Looks fantastic.

Call me cynical, but I can't see HTC releasing ICS on older devices where they perceive a possibility that the customer may buy a new device in order to upgrade.
The profit motive usually wins over all others!

Desire S isn't that old, it deserve to have ICS.
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ngek202 said:
Desire S isn't that old, it deserve to have ICS.
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Yea,desire s is young
And anyway the sensation will have ics so we ll also have our ics
With a port.i think desire s ll have android 4,it s an hight-end devices.if htc know how to build a rom we ll have our ics.
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The challenge is that we do have physical buttons, when ICS it is part of UI. That has to be taken into consideration.
Have no idea, how that will reflect in real life. For example, I do preffer deactivating physical buttons on Desire S and using UI, since I love it on my Tab.

As with all custom ROM scene, if there is not an official release, then this community will take the best/popular parts of ICS and blend them into existing builds, or port from the Nexus S entirely. (I like the idea of native photo correction software and face recognition security, both of which I already have with 3rd party apps.)
The problem is that Sense is so deeply integrated into the vanilla Android experience that HTC will look at the cost of brining that to devices that have already been paid for. They'll make a decision on whether or not it's worth spending time (and money) on doing this, or trying to dangle a new carrot in front of you to buy.
They will be well aware that those of us on XDA who are after the bleeding edge, are also able to put custom/ported ROMs on for free. This also relieves them of warranty responsibilities, and makes them less inclined to spend money developing an official update for our "older" handsets.
My view is that if we see ICS on our Desire S, it'll be an AOSP port from the Nexus S with maybe an official Sense release way down the line. Before then I'm sure someone will do an ICS-style launcher.
Just my thoughts.

Our device is not old.our desire is 400€ yet
And it s the top of the single core devices
I don t think an old device is 400€
Htc have to built an ics for us because this phone went out in april 2011 and i bought it for a lot of money xd
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kylon said:
Our device is not old.our desire is 400€ yet
And it s the top of the single core devices
I don t think an old device is 400€
Htc have to built an ics for us because this phone went out in april 2011 and i bought it for a lot of money xd
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+1 for you man!!!

Android 4.0 update to be released soon (before 1st of March)

According to @HTC_NL, the sensation range of devices will receive the ICS update soon (before the 1st of March). On the 1st of March an ice white sensation will be released in Holland.
Link here (it's in Dutch of course): http://www.whizpr.nl/persberichten/8268

Article from tweakers.net (source):
HTC provides users of the Dutch Sensation, Sensation Sensation XL and XE soon an update to Android 4.0 ICS. On March 1 also appears that a white Sensation Android 4.0 already installed.
To update existing devices called HTC no period, the manufacturer has only said that "soon" will take place. The update was on the air offered to users. It is still unclear whether the devices with the update to ICS also immediately be provided with Sense 4.0.
About new features in Android 4.0 version of HTC Sense is still little known, HTC has just announced that shortcuts at the bottom can be adjusted by the user. Recently there appeared images of the new version of Sense, showed that the appearance, colors and screen animations differ from both Android 4.0 and the current versions of Sense.
HTC Sensation spent the last year in June from 2.3 with Android. Last autumn there were the Sensation XE and XL on the Sensation. The Sensation runs on a Qualcomm MSM8260 dual-core SOC running at 1.2 GHz. The GPU is an Adreno 220. The phone has a 4.3 "LCD with a resolution of 960x540 pixels. The camera has a maximum resolution of 8 megapixels and shoots video at 1080p with 30fps.
The manufacturer will this spring, next to the white Sensation, presumably releasing new models. These will most likely at the Mobile World Congress telecommunication fair, which takes place later this month in Barcelona, ​​are presented

Nevermind, HTC has clarified that the phone will be coming with 2.3 and will be upgradeable to 4.0 ... lame.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/2/27...nching-in-white-with-android-4-0-on-march-1st

aNYthing24 said:
Nevermind, HTC has clarified that the phone will be coming with 2.3 and will be upgradeable to 4.0 ... lame.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/2/27...nching-in-white-with-android-4-0-on-march-1st
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Thank you! This'll help tell me what rumors are fake sooner!(assuming the site isn't providing us with false information!) It'll be a long wait However, ty devs for sharing the leaks. They work pretty damn good so far!

lu1gj3s said:
According to @HTC_NL, the sensation range of devices will receive the ICS update soon (before the 1st of March). On the 1st of March an ice white sensation will be released in Holland.
Link here (it's in Dutch of course): http://www.whizpr.nl/persberichten/8268
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This would be awesome, as they would release kernel sources with this phone which might be compatible with the original Sensation/Sensation XE... which would allow better custom kernels for ICS which is the only thing wrong with [email protected] at the moment! (apart from the *few* minor bugs )

I wont hold my breath that it will be soon
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There will be not ICS on 1 March, on XE White. R u blind all? Read!
Update: HTC just wrote us to say that its original press release was incorrect — it'll actually ship with Android 2.3 and be upgradeable to 4.0 down the road, just as its other Sensation versions will be. In other words, don't expect an ICS-equipped Sensation on March 1st... but you can expect a white one with Gingerbread. Furthermore, the white Sensation is already available in select markets, so the PR is simply announcing its upcoming availability in Benelux. Now, the question becomes: how much longer is the wait for the upgrade?
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C'mon...when it goes live, it will...
Counting will make you nervous and nothing else...root it and have it right now...
And, be careful what you wish for cause you just might get it...

hexen88 said:
There will be not ICS on 1 March, on XE White. R u blind all? Read!
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Yes how retarded of people not pre-emptively predicting an updated article.
Take a chill pill.

Im seriously not impressed with the way HTC are masking ICS, AOSP ICS is a beautiful thing, so can sense be, but htc have gone about it all wrong with sense 3.6 and 4, I think im steering away from HTC slowly but surely, and can almost guarantee that I will be going AOSP ICS when it is stable!

Oh man, there is 3 threads about "1 march ics", and one opened after 1st etc... noone sees that article is updated? Or even that some thrads r arleady open with updated information? Please...

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Im seriously not impressed with the way HTC are masking ICS, AOSP ICS is a beautiful thing, so can sense be, but htc have gone about it all wrong with sense 3.6 and 4, I think im steering away from HTC slowly but surely, and can almost guarantee that I will be going AOSP ICS when it is stable!
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You can say that again...
I like sense functionality, unlike its skining...it would be nice if they keep sense with AOSP design...

I like the ROM's that are already out there, and as posted above as soon as AOSP is stable I'll be going to that.
On the other hand I wonder what's taking HTC so long, we have devs that do this for fun and they're releasing great ROMs and here you got a major company that you would think have lots of professional devs that do this for a living and they take forever.

felixoanta said:
On the other hand I wonder what's taking HTC so long, we have devs that do this for fun and they're releasing great ROMs and here you got a major company that you would think have lots of professional devs that do this for a living and they take forever.
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A chef here has to make a rom which is pre made and stable and tweaks it. If it works for 99% of the users it's good. Htc has to release a rom which work for 100% of the users.
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felixoanta said:
On the other hand I wonder what's taking HTC so long, we have devs that do this for fun and they're releasing great ROMs and here you got a major company that you would think have lots of professional devs that do this for a living and they take forever.
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You forget that it isn not just a phone software that they need to update and polish, they need to sort out all cloud services that their ecosystem is all about (eg facebook for HTC, watch, hub, likes etc).
I would rather wait a few weeks to get a finished product, than have unpolished system that has memory leaks or whatever...
You forget that average user doesn't want to mess with rooting and flashing and they even don't know about that alternative (and/or care) so they cannot and will not flash new "xda" software when official rom "breaks"...

Very true, didn't think about that.

well, you can press thanks button so i can open new thread sooner

hope they release it soon..
I and my wife have an rooted firmware now.
but somethimes the phone reboots...
i don't care, but the wife don't like it hehehe.

kloenie said:
hope they release it soon..
I and my wife have an rooted firmware now.
but somethimes the phone reboots...
i don't care, but the wife don't like it hehehe.
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U can always change your wife. Maybe developers from XDA can make some new RomWIFE. But... how to do wipe then?

No point in this...
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What the future holds for the Desire S

Hey everyone. So I would like to bring you some discussion here about on what the future holds for our HTC Desire S when it respects to the official HTC support.
The main question here is, what do you think that HTC will do with the Desire S? Will they bring ICS to it? Will they try to be soft and bring just Sense 3.5? Or is our Desire S done and no more updates will come? It would be quite interesting to see what everyone thinks that may happen in the next few months

i doubt very much we will see anymore major official updates ,just maye a few revisions.htc support there phones pretty badly tbh,and as much as i love my desire s and this community i doubt very much i would purchase another one of the htc phones as it will carry on the same legacy i expect .

I think HTC will do nothing. They can't support all the phones they released which is why they've decided to take it slow
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I hope that HTC is still going to release an ICS update for Desire S, but that's probably false hope. HTC has released too many phones (about 5 different versions of the Sensation?) to provide support for every phone. They will just concentrate on the higher-end models, which unfortunately the Desire S isn't. Luckily there is a great community working hard to provide us with future updates

The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.

wnp_79 said:
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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what he said..... hit the nail on the head with that one

Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
The only reason i recommended the xperia ray was because he HAS to have a Vodafone upgrade. Vodafone's stock ROM on the desire s has that ludicrous 'pocket mode' forced on, and you can't turn it off. 8 hours battery life max. My dad ended up sending his back for that reason. He wouldn't let me root it!
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wnp_79 said:
Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
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No mate, I wasn't ranting at you
I was criticizing HTC for their poor decision. If the XL is getting ICS, we should get it. We have the same specs.
Heck, even the 2010 phone, Desire HD has near identical specs as the XL. Even that, should get ICS..
Silly move by HTC.
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olyloh6696 said:
Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.

smash_07 said:
HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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olyloh6696 said:
Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.

Dont know about you guys but HTC has always been keep-the-customer-in-dark with Desire S. IMHO I dont know why they do it... I mean it came with sense 2.1 and 2.3 when I bought. After a while some patches and fotas were there but when we got sense 3.0 it was some guys phone which got updated made the news not a disclosure or say news by HTC that its been updated and which makes my geeky mind cheer in the doubt of my mind that we may recieve ICS officially
Now about the thing that here are devs that are doing a hard job to get ICS on ours and imo they have been succesful as in there-was-no-way-but-they-did-it successful. But think if theres an official update what might happen then? I am no dev or **** but as I understand that would made works on other roms ports a heck lot easier...

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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.
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Good explanation, but keep in mind, the Desire Z did not receive the official Sense 3.0 update.
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olyloh6696 said:
Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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This is pretty sad, if HTC won't upgrade our Desire S to ICS. I mean, Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup--and those have the same chipsets as our Desire S! SE's flagship for last year, the Xperia Arc, was launched around the same time frame as our Desire S, with virtually the same Qualcomm chipset. No way HTC can use that excuse, and they know it.
18 months is not yet up for this phone, so if Google is right, we should expect support/updates till around September or so of 2012. As much as I dislike Sense, HTC ought to be ashamed of itself if they won't give us ICS. I can imagine they're in a bind, because they are compelled to give us ICS, but don't want us playing around with the ICS'ed Sense 4.0 and would rather have us get newer, more expensive 4 inch slabs
Come on, HTC. Gain some goodwill among us. Roll out ICS and the latest Sense. You know it makes Sense

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Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup
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That's the way to go, but just as always magic will not happen and HTC Desire S probably will not get ICS update because of that politic, meanwhile Sony Ericsson goes more democratical way and releases updates for customers, not only "top list'' customers as HTC do. I respect HTC, but the point how they sorts updates by devices is to drastic, just too painful for user like us, who knows what their device is able to do, but they simply do not feed it. To be honest, if HTC Desire S will get official ICS update, then it will mean that HTC is changing their political statement and magic is happening.

You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?

rayulove69 said:
You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?
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dude, our posts are from days before the leak came out
But thanks for the effort I guess there will hopefully be a strong future for us!

wnp_79 said:
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"

Akishima said:
He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"
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Well good news anyway:
HTC announced ICS officially for us!
YIPPEE!!!