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There are 2 top task managing apps rite now
Task Killer by ReChild
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TasKiller free by Thibaut Nicolas.
wanted to know which one u guys prefer.
i liked the Task Killer by ReChild....as it is easier to use..and more intuitive.
Not everyone will subscribe to what I'm about to say (type!) but.. I've stopped using task managers altogether now and I'm finding that the phone runs smoother and better without them... and it's using less battery too.
do some task managers cause programs to crash or stop working randomly?
my handcent and messaging were crashing
Nocturnal310 said:
There are 2 top task managing apps rite now
Task Killer by ReChild
and
TasKiller free by Thibaut Nicolas.
wanted to know which one u guys prefer.
i liked the Task Killer by ReChild....as it is easier to use..and more intuitive.
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I have task killer by ReChild aswell and no just go into the app and ignore the ones you dont to be killed.
Try System Panel (beta) it works well really well - search for it on the market.
I have tried Advanced Task Killer and for me the best is Task Manager, the one that has green droid on the icon and red circle with X inside it Altough, as time goes my RAM goes from 140 Mb to 80 or less, Im guessing that Timescape eats the memory as it updates because he is on my ignore list with few other programs.
Advance Task Manager is the best for my opinion...because my phone has 178 ram free now and has auto shutdown application and its more faster..
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Not everyone will subscribe to what I'm about to say (type!) but.. I've stopped using task managers altogether now and I'm finding that the phone runs smoother and better without them... and it's using less battery too.
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I'm with you, every task manager ive tried either uses more battery than it saves or kills things that you really dont want it to.
If i need to kill something I now use the force stop option under applications in the settings. Astro also has a nice process manager that shows cpu usage and allows you to kill off individual processes.
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Advance Task Manager is the best for my opinion...because my phone has 178 ram free now and has auto shutdown application and its more faster..
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What is on your ignore list ? I have Nimbuzz, Messages, Timescape, Weather and Facebook and on fresh start I have 150 Mb but with time it gets to 80 Mb...there is no way that you can have 178 Mb whole day and that some services are working in background. Or am I doing something wrong ?
Cheers
why are you worried about how much free ram you have? Have you ever actually experienced a situation where an app complained about not having enough memory?
Why not just let android worry about using the free memory in the best way it can. If an App needs more memory Android can always dump some of the stuff that is not important anyway.
Try to use Advance Task Manager and tell me then how much free memory you have...
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TaskOS was really awesome, then there was this update and now it sucks
Task Managers are only needed by pseudo multitasking phones/OS's such as Windows.
Linux/Android take care of their own memory management and so do not need task killers, in fact on Android they do more harm than good as they kill processes that you really do want to be running or at least resident in memory. It will slow your phone down and drain power if Android needs to keep restarting it's monitoring processes (eg. battery monitor, clock, alarm etc...) because the user keeps killing it with a task manager.
Also, just because an application is resident in the kernel does not mean it is being used, using any resources, stealing any resources or memory from anything else. If a new application start and Android needs the memory, it will take it !
^ Yeah, I stopped using a task manager a few weeks ago, and think my battery life has actually improved since doing so.
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Not everyone will subscribe to what I'm about to say (type!) but.. I've stopped using task managers altogether now and I'm finding that the phone runs smoother and better without them... and it's using less battery too.
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Phantasm4489 said:
I'm with you, every task manager ive tried either uses more battery than it saves or kills things that you really dont want it to.
If i need to kill something I now use the force stop option under applications in the settings. Astro also has a nice process manager that shows cpu usage and allows you to kill off individual processes.
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yep.... Astro is cool.... and now the phone is much smoother and battery life has improved....
I have been using advanced task killer, but will look into some of the alternatives suggested here.
Even if a task manager doesn't improve performance, I can't do without one. I just gotta know what is running in the background.
P.S. Why is this forum such a PIA for new users?
Phantasm4489 said:
why are you worried about how much free ram you have? Have you ever actually experienced a situation where an app complained about not having enough memory?
Why not just let android worry about using the free memory in the best way it can. If an App needs more memory Android can always dump some of the stuff that is not important anyway.
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I think the main point is people are trying to work out ways of increasing their battery life.
Good topic.
well i use advanced task killer by rechild, i decided to leave it closed all day today and let tye os do its thing. while i agree android can easily allocate the ram, in just 5 hours without task kill my battery drained to 68%, normally itd be around 88%ish. so my vote goes to task kill for better batt life...
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X10 Have Built in Application running in background call Wiper App (com.qualcomm.wiper.apk)
Can any expert tell me is this file works as task-manager in the system?
Hi all.
Is there any app\way to use something like this:
When we access the normal 'task manager'\'view running apps' (if you press the middle button of X10), if we long press the app we want, have the option to kill it ?
Cheers!
I'm just wondering which task killers everyone likes the most and why. Share your opinions.
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I use advanced task manager. I like advanced task killer also, killer will automatically end tasks upon waking from sleep, manager will not.
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I agree, Advanced Task Killer is freakin awesome, especially to save battery life.
I have an icon on the home page and whenever I'm finished using the phone I click it and KILL KILL KILL!!
Advanced Task Killer...
I've been using ATK as well. I like the ability to switch between tasks with a long press. This is the best free program I've ever used on any platform. I would even go so far as to say this is a must for any android phone.
Really? How does it save battery? What settings are you guys using or setting to do this?
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Really? How does it save battery? What settings are you guys using or setting to do this?
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Well, un-used programs that are running take up memory and when you kill them you get more memory hence less work for the battery. At least thats what I think.. RAM does use battery does it not?
Right I know that. But what settings are you guys using for ATK to make it save battery? Like are you having it kill tasks every 3 hours or hour? Or what are you doing?
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Well, un-used programs that are running take up memory and when you kill them you get more memory hence less work for the battery. At least thats what I think.. RAM does use battery does it not?
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Absolutely not. The ram is getting juice from the batter whether it is filled or not. You guys are just taking sugar pills if you think task killers do any good. The built in task killer is enough to kill those poorly written apps that go out of control.
Actually RAM bits must get their voltages refreshed every few milliseconds to retain their high high state if they are high. If the bits are low they require no refresh. As far as killing tasks, these programs running in the background not only consume memory, but CPU cycles as well thus drawing more power than if they were not running at all.
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I used ATK then i recently bought ATM. i kept ATK becuase there are some apps that ATM doesnt end for some reason. both are great though.
For me i got one just called task manager simple yet works perfectly it was a widget that tells how much ram im using and when its low i click it. its quite simple and easy to use i like it better then ATK
battery and app...
The fact that you have processes or apps running that you might not need running consumes processing power. It is the processor work that eats up power. Some apps are also using other resources like your GPS or wireless. That is why a task killer is important.
What kill level and security level are you guys using for ATK?
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Actually RAM bits must get their voltages refreshed every few milliseconds to retain their high high state if they are high. If the bits are low they require no refresh.
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True, but Android is Linux based. It refills the ram right after you kill everything. It actually uses MORE power, because you waste the CPU cycles to clear everything, then the CPU loads the same apps back into RAM.
Remember, this isn't desktop ram. This stuff is designed for super low wattage.
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As far as killing tasks, these programs running in the background not only consume memory, but CPU cycles as well thus drawing more power than if they were not running at all.
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Android isn't actually running those programs. They're just stored in RAM. They aren't actively executing anything. The CPU is off when the phone is off (for the most part).
If your phone is lagging, its because you have some poorly written app running. Just figure out what it is and delete it. Android is perfectly capable of managing most well behaving tasks by itself.
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Actually RAM bits must get their voltages refreshed every few milliseconds to retain their high high state if they are high. If the bits are low they require no refresh. As far as killing tasks, these programs running in the background not only consume memory, but CPU cycles as well thus drawing more power than if they were not running at all.
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"Freeing" the ram by killing a program doesn't mean it will get set to zero. Most likely the OS just puts the used memory back into it's pool for allocation later and leaves the memory exactly as it is to save time.
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Auto Kill Level = Aggressive
Security Level = Medium
I have found that you need to not kill the clock app if you want your alarm to go off...
toomie,
do you have a link for the task manager you use? there are several in the market...
tia,
jc
I've tried a few task killers but my favorite so far is Taskpanel X.
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K... I'm new to android (from iPhone) and I just bought the mt4g... I downloaded the advanced task killer, but every time I "kill" the apps, there are 10 more running less than 5 seconds later... I've set my autokill to crazy, have an ignore list, etc... any thing else I can do to limit what crap runs without me opening the app myself?
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K... I'm new to android (from iPhone) and I just bought the mt4g... I downloaded the advanced task killer, but every time I "kill" the apps, there are 10 more running less than 5 seconds later... I've set my autokill to crazy, have an ignore list, etc... any thing else I can do to limit what crap runs without me opening the app myself?
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I believe you are not supposed to use task killers on Android because the system manages apps and when you stop them it messes up something. Here is a link: http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
Correct. There is no need for task killers with these phones.
Glad I asked... uninstalled it, guess I'll see how it goes
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Yes sir! Plus thats why we have such big ram size
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Wow I didn't know this, I just uninstalled my task manager.
myTouch4G (Glacier)
It can also hurt battery life as well. If you constantly force close applications the phone will boot them back up which puts strain on the processor and uses more battery life.
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Speaking from personal experience: once there's enough RAM in the phone, there's no need for external task killer or manager. Yes, it was necessary on the phones like G1 or original MyTouch with less then 1 year old OS. At this point, Android matured enough to handle everything on its own and it does beatiful job at it. I am almost at the point of getting MT4G, using wife's old Cliq at the moment. I can't believe how much difference extra RAM does, it never slows down for me on 2.1 de-blurred. Be extra careful downloading multiple apps though because if one misbehaves it will be hard to know which one.
Remember, free RAM is wasted ram, especially true with FroYo
You should still use a task killer, just don't use an autokiller. Let's say you use play a game, open browser, open music, open 3+ other cpu intensive apps..They will not close on there own, till the ram is "extremely low". Apps still use cpu when in b/g, like syncing apps like fb and twitter.
Task Killers
I don't see any reason not to have a task killer...without it, how would you know if there is a rogue app on your system? With a task killer installed, I was able to see what apps were loading at startup and then if I rarely use it, I blocked it with Startups. This has had a huge impact (for the better) on my battery life as well.
I agree not to setup the task killer to aggressively kill tasks, but if you use it to see what is happening on your phone, I don't see the harm in them at all.
don't you think a task killer would be built into android if Google intended us to manually kill tasks?
I have actually been going into the packages and disabling them via a terminal emulator. It was really easy and it seems to have prevented them from launching again.
Hey what's up everyone. Anyone know why there is so much RAM being used on the phone? As soon as I bought the phone without installing any apps, I'll open the task manger and see over 430mb's of memory being used, giving me a little over 100mb's left. I'll run 3 apps, bring it into the 80-90mb's left and the phone gets laggy.
Anyone know why the phone is using so much memory with nothing running In the Task manager? I never see it under 400mb's of use.
Thanks
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Is it the same after a reboot?
For my Sensation, I've noticed that after a few times using it and playing with it, the avaliable RAM decreases even if I have no more than 5 apps running
Rebooting the Sensation gives me fresh RAM.
Also you may use a taskiller or task manager, that will show you much more running tasks than what is displayed by the stock HTC task manager
HTC's task manager is not even showing the right amount of ram. Go into menu->settings->applications->running and look at your ram there.
I just pulled the battery out and turned the phone back on. Says 468mb's are being used. Have around 110 availible.
Borodin, thanks. I'll try that. But I've noticed after 5 apps running. The phone will get real laggy. I came from an HTC HD7 and I loved how smooth it was. Not seeing that in this phone much...but still like it.
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I'm not saying that it's not ridiculous that Sense 3.0 is using that much RAM, I'm just saying that may be we have more mem available then we think.
In my phone right now:
HTC's readings are 438 used/120 free
Android's readings are 253 used/263 free.
Phone definitely needs a make over as Sense is just bogging it down.
Supposedly has something to do with the 2.3 Android system
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Yes I don't know why the two are reporting different amounts. But I have a feeling that the one in the running services is showing the correct value.
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I installed ADW ex & checked a few times to see how much ram I had and it shows a little over 200mb free(in tsk mngr). Not to mention this thing is now snappy as hell.
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Strange, I can reach a max of 338Mb free (according to a task killer and an external task manager from the market) after a reboot and after having killed all unecessary tasks. I use settings=>apps=>running apps to kill some tasks, and taskiller to kill some other, because both of them don't display all of the running tasks and display some that the other doesn't display.
After two days of (eavy?) use, doing the same trick to kill al unwantesd tasks, I can't go over 200 or sometimes 150MB so I reboot.
Just like most modern os you don't have to worry about memory. Android will take care of it. Also remember, if you're not using the memory its useless. It's better to have 10mb of memory free always as long as you don't notice issues. Apart from apps there are cached apps, buffers and other things loaded to keep the phone speedy. Just don't look or think about it and definitely don't use a task killer.
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.....or at least, use a task killer very carefuly if you use one, set it to ignore all the system tasks, and also all tasks the OS will always keep on puting ON again indefinitly if they are killed, your wallpaper, any media related app, etc
(after each reboot, I have Gmail, the reader, news, weather, facebook, messaging, etc opened in the background for nothing, I definitly prefer killing it as they will start again normaly if I need them)
But right, except for N64oid and Fpse, I have never been bothered by too low RAM on the Sensation. And when that happened on these 2 emulators, it was after 2 days of heavy use without any reboot, so....^^
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Just like most modern os you don't have to worry about memory. Android will take care of it. Also remember, if you're not using the memory its useless. It's better to have 10mb of memory free always as long as you don't notice issues. Apart from apps there are cached apps, buffers and other things loaded to keep the phone speedy. Just don't look or think about it and definitely don't use a task killer.
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I agree with you 100%, and again with your comment about the task killer. Don't install a task killer, and don't obsess about killing about with the built in task killer. Since 2.2 android has done an amazing job at managing and using available resources. It's pre-loading services and apps into memory to have things launch sooner, etc. When the system runs out of available memory it will kill whatever apps it feels it needs to kill in order to give the smoothest experience possible.
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I agree with you 100%, and again with your comment about the task killer. Don't install a task killer, and don't obsess about killing about with the built in task killer.
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The only reason I have a task killer now is if anything is loading for no reason. With that I found that VTOK & Movies by Flixster were always running & causing the phone to never sleep & draining my battery. They were always listed as in the foreground (along with Tmobile's Wifi Calling & MyAccount apps).
Bloatware!! The sooner it can be removed, the better.
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I've noticed that rosie uses alot of ram on every sense build. But 3.0 is a little over the top. It gets killed quite easily as well after using the xda app, browser, and download manager for example. And then sense has to completely reload... Htc obviously noticed it a little late in the game and was quick to make miniscule changes in a desperate attempt to conserve ram usage. No scrolling wallpaper? On a dualcore 1.2ghz processor? Really? Lockscreen lag? Lag at all? Can't wait fire a cooked sense 3.0 rom. The difference will be tremendous!
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Android is at its most efficient when the memory is being fully utilised. Don't think of memory usage in Windows terms.
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No scrolling wallpaper? On a dualcore 1.2ghz processor? Really?
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Ask and you shall recieve, and that's what HTC just did. The no-scrolling wallpaper is considered a UI feature just as it is on the Galaxy S 2. It's also standard on ADW-EX and Launcher pro. I personally dig the stationary wallpaper.
what have you got so bad against task killers??
You just say "don't use it", without any explanation....
I use one, like I do on my 2 other Android devices, my Sensation is extremely stable, and I don't want to lose fps when I use Fpse or N64oid, sorry to tell you you're wrong: having less than 150MB ram, because many apps are running in the background, when starting one of these 2 emus, makes fps drop, or frameskip less efficient.
Try it yourself if you don't believe me.
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what have you got so bad against task killers??
You just say "don't use it", without any explanation....
I use one, like I do on my 2 other Android devices, my Sensation is extremely stable, and I don't want to lose fps when I use Fpse or N64oid, sorry to tell you you're wrong: having less than 150MB ram, because many apps are running in the background, when starting one of these 2 emus, makes fps drop, or frameskip less efficient.
Try it yourself if you don't believe me.
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Sorry, I don't use emulators. I also don't have a sensation, so I can't comment on gaming on one. I have however played just about every game imaginable on my SGS1 and have never had to worry about closing an app to play any game. The main reason why I tell people like the OP to not use task killers is because they tend to begin automatically killing tasks(the people using them, not the app on it's own), and since the newer versions of android behave they do, those tasks just end up starting again which then leads to an endless loop of task killing, and battery drains for no reason. I also make it a habit of restarting my phones once a day or two, so I never really give the devices to get bogged down with extra crap running. I'm just saying that's my experience. If you like it, then so be it. Kill away.
Another thing you may want to try is, backing out of all of your running apps instead of being addicted to the home button. Home leaves the apps running and using resources; Backing out closes them and keeps the universe in a zen like state. I love the home button, when I know i'm going back to use a certain app immediately. If not then I back out.
allright, I agree with what you say.
Luckilly, I've set my Taskiller not to endlessly kill tasks that always start again (and actually, Taskiller doesn't display them, or don't kill them automatically or in one click on the widget, only if you go to the app itself and select force kill, what I never do knowing they will start again asap).
I mainly use it, from its widget, to kill everything related to messaging, gmail, facebook, reader, tutorial, etc, that tend to start automatically and never stop when I connect datas or reboot the Sensation.
I also most of the time try to back out instead of home button, but for a few apps, it may be loooonng because it will display a lot of pages back before killing the app.
As for newer versions of RAM management, it also depends on the ROM I suppose.
With my stock SFR/Vodafone french ROM, after, let's say, 2 days of use, the RAM goes under 170Mb, even if I close all tasks, I don't know where RAM is drained, I'm pretty sure my stock ROM is responsible for it, so I reboot every day or every 2 days too.
Hello all,
Just wondering.
I know there's a load of task managers etc that kill apps, but:
Are there any apps that you can use to keep an app alive and not close in the background. e.g. If you press home, the built in memory manager won't kill it eventually.
Thanks.
If you are using a task killer this feature would be called "whitelist".
Thanks for your reply.
I'm not using a task killer, but android automatically kills tasks after a while if in the background.
I'm basically looking for an app that will bypass this, for apps I choose.
Get an app called WatchDog. It's a task killer that doesn't mindlessly kill your apps (Which actually waste more battery for those apps that instantly reboot.) and you can whitelist apps.
Got watchdog, but this doesn't do what I need. I need the option/ability to be able to keep an app in the background indefinitely, unless I choose otherwise.
I think I may have found the answer in another post. Paul22000 has stated that it's built into Android and the only way around this may be to get it built into a custom ROM.
It might help if you explain which app and why, there may be another way.
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To cut a long story short. I'm trying to build an app in app inventor that stays alive, but it's not possible within app inventor, so I'm trying to find a work around.
Right on... But why do you want too create an app that never shuts down? Have to ask because I am a little intrigued here
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So that it works properly
it will work properly its just that android will close it if it feels it is using to much memory in the back round some of my apps stay on all day as long as it doesnt consume to much space
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it will work properly its just that android will close it if it feels it is using to much memory in the back round some of my apps stay on all day as long as it doesnt consume to much space
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But what if I don't want android to close it...? I simply want android to ignore it.
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But what if I don't want android to close it...? I simply want android to ignore it.
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I don't think that's possible. If Android decides that you app needs to be closed (e.g. cause it's idle, eats too much memory, etc.) it'll shut it down, no matter what.
You can try to build your app as a service, as services run in the "background" and are less likely to be killed by Android.
This is not possible in App Inventor, which is why I'm looking for a work around.
Haven't found a solution?
I'm trying the same thing. My Optimus 2x kills Opera and Spotify faaar too fast. Common use case: Surf->Home->Send text message->open Opera, then it has to be restarted, not loaded from memory. I'm using AutoKiller now, which is supposed to be able to keep apps alive if I manually set a variable in it (oom), but it's very temporary so I'm guessing it doesn't work too well.
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Haven't found a solution?
I'm trying the same thing. My Optimus 2x kills Opera and Spotify faaar too fast. Common use case: Surf->Home->Send text message->open Opera, then it has to be restarted, not loaded from memory. I'm using AutoKiller now, which is supposed to be able to keep apps alive if I manually set a variable in it (oom), but it's very temporary so I'm guessing it doesn't work too well.
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I agree....
I use Dolphin Mini, and if I receive a phone call, just about every single time I go back into Dolphin Mini, it has to reload. Even if I only had one or two tabs open. It's really frustrating... This happens on my EVO 4G, I hope the Epic Touch 4G doesn't have this issue (or any devices with higher ROM storage).
I looking for a solution to..
My situation: When driving in my car I run 3 apps Copilot, FlitsNav and MySpeed.. Copilot is usually my foreground app.. FlitsNav is an app that should pop up when I'm near mobile speedcams.. Sometimes it gets killed by android (even though the icon stays present in the taskbar)
any suggestions on keeping it alive? (I though about restarting the app every 5mins or so with tasker.. haven't tried yet)
If you have root, try the v6 supercharger
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That I'd one thing I actually miss from the iPhone. I'd keep apps open all the time and they would look the same when I opened them a week later. In Android my apps tend to shut down and I have to navigate back to where I was, open tabs again, etc. Can be annoying.
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thanks, I'll have to do some reading before I'll try that one..
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That is hit or miss and 90% of the time its miss