Not sure if this was the same as the thread lower but hey... we won.. so get your money before att takes that away!
AT&T loses data throttling case - http://pulse.me/s/6kpUr
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No he won. I didn't get a check for 850
. However all jokes aside. I feel like streaming Netflix for a few days straight and filing a small claims case when I get the throttled message.
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Hahah go for it!
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Yay!! We won.. Now everyone should start constantly streaming netflix, pandora, and etc. Pretty soon our network will be as slow and useless as Sprints network. Yay!!!!
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This gives the right to top 5% of the users to ruin the network for 95% of the people. Probably by running Netflix and leaving the room.
Yeah, total win.
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This gives the right to top 5% of the users to ruin the network for 95% of the people. Probably by running Netflix and leaving the room.
Yeah, total win.
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Well said throttling is not evil.
It is not like they say 1 or 2 Gig you are throttled, you really need to abuse the network.
FYI Maximum I ever used in a Month is 2 Gig and with that I was tethering my laptop.
I think the above posters are missing a huge point.. if the top 5% of the users were actually abusing the network, then fine, throttle reasonably away..
However, ATT was arbitrarily applying any user using 2G as a top 5% using some seriously fuzzy math and throttling them to a point where a dialup modem was faster.
My understanding is that the 5% value came about in some bull**** research paper payed for by ATT that stated 2G is the avg amount of data all users are using (some use 300 meg, some use 5G, etc), just an avg amount, but rather then taking the actual value of the top data users (some use close to 20 to 30 gig a month), they chose to take the avg amount, 2G, and apply that to every user that hit to 2G mark, and label them a top 5% user and throttle them..
That is evil, and unreasonable, they are using the fuzzy math in the same way they butchered the dictionary meaning of unlimited.
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That is evil, and unreasonable, they are using the fuzzy math in the same way they butchered the dictionary meaning of unlimited.
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As I understand it, the average 2GB of use was done in a survey about 4 years ago, when the smart phone market wasn't as big as it is today.
So AT&T should back off and stop saying that the average users ONLY uses 2GB or less because that is totally bs.
I myself have always used between 30 to 50GB on average per month for the last 6+ years
Its stupid you should at least get 3 or so gigs to equate the amount you pay to the price equivalent tiered plan IMHO I'm not unlimited but am on your guys side on this that the way they are conducting business is wrong
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This gives the right to top 5% of the users to ruin the network for 95% of the people. Probably by running Netflix and leaving the room.
Yeah, total win.
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This guy doesn't get it.
(and sounds like the annoying, ignorant ranting from the OWS crowd)
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Well said throttling is not evil.
It is not like they say 1 or 2 Gig you are throttled, you really need to abuse the network.
FYI Maximum I ever used in a Month is 2 Gig and with that I was tethering my laptop.
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I think the above posters are missing a huge point.. if the top 5% of the users were actually abusing the network, then fine, throttle reasonably away..
However, ATT was arbitrarily applying any user using 2G as a top 5% using some seriously fuzzy math and throttling them to a point where a dialup modem was faster.
My understanding is that the 5% value came about in some bull**** research paper payed for by ATT that stated 2G is the avg amount of data all users are using (some use 300 meg, some use 5G, etc), just an avg amount, but rather then taking the actual value of the top data users (some use close to 20 to 30 gig a month), they chose to take the avg amount, 2G, and apply that to every user that hit to 2G mark, and label them a top 5% user and throttle them..
That is evil, and unreasonable, they are using the fuzzy math in the same way they butchered the dictionary meaning of unlimited.
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This guy gets it.
What people don't understand is AT&T knew this was going to happen and they did nothing at the time because they wanted subscribers. Now could they have forseen that netflix and hulu and things like that were going to be apps and eat up huge chunks of bandwidth(most likely not)
With the new 3GB and 5GB thresholds they announced for the unlimited users, I think we will see more of these kind of suits.
Now, imo, AT&T needs to get people OFF of the unlimted plans. Why?
1) the network is too congested and they need to get people to understand this
2) we already know unlimited is not "unlimited"
So, to save face, what they should do is make a small offering to the top 5% to try and get them away from the unlimted data plan(really just offer it to all unlimted people)
For those grandfathered in, offer 3GB of HASPA+ for $10 and 5GB of LTE for $10. This will #1 get those abusers of the system to watch their downloads a little more closely, and 2, if they go over they still have a little give in the terms of $$.
Now will AT&T ever do this, seriously doubt it.
Wrong. m4570d0n doesn't get it and sounds like the people who abuse bandwidth slowing it down for the rest of us. If you don't like the bandwidth cap, leave AT&T.
awesome that im not on att. There are people abusing the network and top 5 or 3 percent sounds about right. For the mathematically challenged its 1 in 20 or 33 data users.
Att changed their throttling policy or 'clarified' it according to news blogs
It's now at 5gigs for LTE, 3 FOR '4G', AFAICR
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Wrong. m4570d0n doesn't get it and sounds like the people who abuse bandwidth slowing it down for the rest of us. If you don't like the bandwidth cap, leave AT&T.
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Given that you joined in 2007, yet this is one of only 3 posts you've ever made (none of which carry any meaningful content), please enlighten me. I'll make some popcorn.
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Lets be serious newer smart phones are becoming bandwidth hoggers and a lot of companies throttle at 5gb. I easily use 5gb a day on my home's network streaming, surfing and torrenting. The increase in bandwidth requirements for a smooth videochat conversation on skype requires a lot of bandwidth. Auto sync eats up bandwidth like crazy I had to turn mine off. Streaming a live event demands huge amount of data, and Theres netflix too.
Im currently paying $46mo on my home internet without any capped I use about 100-200gb mo of a total combine bandwidth. Im paying $20mo for 5gb data with unlimited dial up speed after 5gb. Technically $5 per gbit. Rip off much?
I'm using 5gb within 2 weeks 1/2 managing my data with watchdog in a week and 1/2 I'm throttle to dial up speed.. My data plan is from G1 era supposedly I've android data preferred plan? I doubt it. But I hear that its starting to get capped..
My rant is that its foolish for cellphone company to capped data at 5gh.. After they capped they lower it to dial up speed rendering your smartphone useless for the duration until the next cycle. Why can't they cap the speed at 1mbit down and 500 up instead of 30-60 down and 100 down? It's going to be worst after the merge.. Once the merge happens I'm leaving tmobile..
I use quite a lot of data also, but I have my acct set to 200MB Unlimited. It may sound silly but at work and home I'm on WiFi and in between I just have music playing from my SD card while I drive.
I do agree though that the throttled speed is extremely slow. Maybe 7 years ago it wouldn't have mattered but everything is large these days.
Well I have a 5gb data and also tether and use it as home connection and use a little over 5gb.
The problem is that u use ur phones data too much. I have no idea how anyone uses that much data on just their phone. If you have a home connection, use that at home.
And I like the prices they are cheap on tmobile. I'm getting throttle right now and don't mind it on my phone. But tethering it is bad.
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i got throttle 1 time cause my internet was down at home so i tetherd my phone with my pc and ate 5gb up in three days never again, my phone dookie slow. also if you got 200mb plan starting tomorrow if you go over its $10 a gb and they only let you go $30 over
Then pay more or switch to a different provider or move to another country, etc. Realistic or not, there are solutions. If you are unsatisfied with your service, then speak with your money. You have the choice to not pay for overpriced services and if enough people choose to follow you, maybe companies will change their policies. Until then, they are charging a lot for a mediocre amount of bandwidth because people are willing to pay for it.
I'm thankful TMO throttles you. It means I'll never experience what happens on AT&T with their iPhone hammering.
Dude? 5GB a month?
In germany normal data flats only have 1(!!!)GB included. And for 5 or even 10 ur paying ur ass off. I know it sucks, but do u really need to do skype calls or live streaming with ur mobile data?
I thought i am a heavy user and I am using exactly 1GB/month... Now i know im not
+1 to what lianw said.
I am running push facebook, twitter, and an exchange account and I only start getting throttled towards the very end of the billing cycle of my 200MB plan. Fact of the matter is, 200MB is enough for what a majority of users need to do with their phones. Carriers will not cater to a niche group that requires 5GB of data a day.
Nonetheless, tmobile actually does offer an unlimited plan through their loyalty program: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192020
Man, data plans are cheap there and you are throttled LATE. I live in Germany and pay 25€ for 1GB. (Worthless to mention that I just need ~800mb although I'm sometimes streaming webradio)
I completely agree with the OP. T-Mobile and the like sell these phones promising this.fantastic multimedia experience, and yet, because they are too blinded by the profit motive to innovate, take chances, and find new ways to make money, they dangle something pretty in front of you, promising an exceptional media experience, then treat you like a child and try to limit the very thing they sold you, in every way possible.
And the treatment I have received by T-Mobile is disgusting. Calling me an extreme user for using 5g a month, yet they INSTALL ON THESE PHONES AND MAKE IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE apps such as TMobile TV, rhapsody, slacker, Pandora, etc. If you stream music like I do, daily on my public transportation, you will hit 5 G VERY quickly.
And let me stress, these assholes at TMobile don't just "throttle" data to edge speeds as they claim, if only that were the case. Data becomes UNUSABLE when they throttle. Unusable.
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Carriers will not cater to a niche group that requires 5GB of data a day http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192020
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This kind of bull**** is exactly what these companies try to do- frame users like me as niche, extreme, whatever the euphemism you choose...its meant to degrade and put down my use.
I'm not out there hosting torrents and doing big video downloads or streaming. I never do. I stream music from apps T-Mobile embeds in their devices-thats it. Yet they have been able to paint data use as some sort of wrongdoers who are clogging networks.
Their lack of capital layout because Deutsche Telecom has them under discontinued operations since January, which BY LAW precludes the parent company from investing in them, is the reason_if there is any-of their need to throttle, NOT users using their phones as they were meant to be used.
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I completely agree with the OP. T-Mobile and the like sell these phones promising this.fantastic multimedia experience, and yet, because they are too blinded by the profit motive to innovate, take chances, and find new ways to make money, they dangle something pretty in front of you, promising an exceptional media experience, then treat you like a child and try to limit the very thing they sold you, in every way possible.
And the treatment I have received by T-Mobile is disgusting. Calling me an extreme user for using 5g a month, yet they INSTALL ON THESE PHONES AND MAKE IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE apps such as TMobile TV, rhapsody, slacker, Pandora, etc. If you stream music like I do, daily on my public transportation, you will hit 5 G VERY quickly.
And let me stress, these assholes at TMobile don't just "throttle" data to edge speeds as they claim, if only that were the case. Data becomes UNUSABLE when they throttle. Unusable.
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Those are some great points. But in the end, you're the one who signed the contract and thus accepted the data cap. Also your hatred of tmobile is very surprising. They are the most supportive carrier I have ever dealt with. You should try getting the android preferred data plan before at&t steps in. Now I hate those guys with a passion.
You think tmobiles bad!!!!!! Try sprint!!!!!!
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This kind of bull**** is exactly what these companies try to do- frame users like me as niche, extreme, whatever the euphemism you choose...its meant to degrade and put down my use.
I'm not out there hosting torrents and doing big video downloads or streaming. I never do. I stream music from apps T-Mobile embeds in their devices-thats it. Yet they have been able to paint data use as some sort of wrongdoers who are clogging networks.
Their lack of capital layout because Deutsche Telecom has them under discontinued operations since January, which BY LAW precludes the parent company from investing in them, is the reason_if there is any-of their need to throttle, NOT users using their phones as they were meant to be used.
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http://blog.validas.com/index.php/2...erizon-wireless-smartphone-data-usage-up-150/
Sorry, you are in a niche group. That's from June 2010-June 2011.
EDIT: Actually the above link doesn't post total data used per month, this article however: http://blog.validas.com/index.php/2...-data-on-the-table-with-your-smartphone-plan/
I have unlimited unthrottled data. Even with my wifi broken on my n1, I never go over 2 gigs a month, not even when I was watching football on nfl network. Wtf are you doing that uses so much bandwidth when not at home?
Being throttle does suck.
The is pretty much useless unless I'm at home connected to my home network.
I am being throttle by mistake.
It has been almost 2 weeks.
They can easily turn the throttle on.
But to get it back on is little harder in my case.
It is supposed to be fixed today.
Well see.
I believe tmobile does have a 10gb plan.
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man this throttle thing is bad i got this phone on the 26 of july took me a five days to hit that cap and all i did was watch a couple of 5 min videos on youtube and when at home id use wifi or my tablet....
5gb is fine with me for now. My cable went out once a few months ago and I used 4gb watching movies over hotspot on Netflix. Other than that I never get close to 5gb cuz I use wifi most of the time. If I never was near a broadband connection it might bother me but then I would have to pay more for a higher throttle or try Sprint.
Yeah they're being dirty but not as dirty as Verizon or ATT. Don't blame them. Blame the idiots who live around you.
i used up my 5gb in the first 7 days of the month doing bittorrent on my phone
nah im joking ive never used my phone for that
i do like to watch justin.tv and about an hour of that is avg 360 mb on medium quality about 100 kilobytes per sec
id rather pay a little more for unlimited even though the cost for bandwidth isnt justified
*edit* my throttled speedwas under 9 kilobytes per second like 8.9 was the max i got and that isnt even 2g its like gprs or lower
I think it's exactly as others have posted. If you use 5gb in the first day you are a niche user. Whether or not that's fair, it's true. The carriers aren't going to cater to a very small percentage of the population. I also dislike the throttling, though, because I'm on a 2gb plan and almost always go over a few days before the end of the cycle and that's with me already restraining my use. I would love to be on that $20 5gb android preferred plan, but I have no access to my account because my parents do.
Personally, I think you should know what you need. If 5gb a month won't be enough for you, then don't sign a contract for only that much. Take the 10gb option, or go to a different carrier that offers more data.
This morning I got a txt from att I am in the top 5% of data users witch is odd since my billing cycle is to the 15th how i get that high in one day. Unless they where referring to the previous month but i checked and that peak at 1.8GBs so im confused.....I know that means throttling im just wonder what the line is anyone know??
just ran test for 3244/741kbs I guess my last month got throttled.....lame 1.8 shound not put me at top 5% if they offer 2gb plans >_>
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This morning I got a txt from att I am in the top 5% of data users witch is odd since my billing cycle is to the 15th how i get that high in one day. Unless they where referring to the previous month but i checked and that peak at 1.8GBs so im confused.....I know that means throttling im just wonder what the line is anyone know??
just ran test for 3244/741kbs I guess my last month got throttled.....lame 1.8 shound not put me at top 5% if they offer 2gb plans >_>
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They won't throttle people with a tiered plan. If they go over, ATT makes money off them. So what they are saying is, you are in the top 5% of unlimited users in your area.
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Yea same here north San Diego 2.5 g
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Top 5%
I have to agree. If they are pinging you for 1.8 then I would definitely complain. They offer 2 and 4 Gb plans. Unless you exceeded the 2 then I do not know why they would say something. As it stands, you are already paying $5 extra a month for the "unlimited" and if you are not exceeding 2Gb by much then they are still making money off of you. This is pure greed. They are so worried about losing some money that they are now finding ways to force people to a limited plan. This top 5% of the area is a load of crap. Surely they can make it where once a person exceeds 2Gb AND they fall in the top 5% then send the message. I would think this would be a basic programming of rules.
I always wonder if they have "exceptions" to this rule. I can guarantee that if the top 5% only uses around 1 to 1.3 Gb, then they say absolutely nothing. After all, if a user has never exceeded the 2Gb in years, then making them pay $25 vice $30 would be draining their own pockets.
I got my notice at 2, which I think is total bs
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I guess I'm lucky to live in the area I do, because I've been over 2gb more than a few times and have never been notified.
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I guess I'm lucky to live in the area I do, because I've been over 2gb more than a few times and have never been notified.
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So have I! thats why this is so strange to me, one month I peaked at almost 8gb and nothing and my nov peak was 2.5 so now 1.8 is their new magic number its total crap, I think there is no top 5%, how can only 5% of unlimited users be past 1.7gb in Orange County. ITS A GREEDY CONSPIRACY I SAY!!!! <_<o_o>_>
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So have I! thats why this is so strange to me, one month I peaked at almost 8gb and nothing and my nov peak was 2.5 so now 1.8 is their new magic number its total crap, I think there is no top 5%, how can only 5% of unlimited users be past 1.7gb in Orange County. ITS A GREEDY CONSPIRACY I SAY!!!! <_<o_o>_>
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Maybe all the heavy users in your area went out of town for Christmas/New years?
I have no idea, I have not received such message ever. Jan '11-Jan '12 breakdown
01/11-9.1GB
02/11-4.3GB
03/11-3.8GB
04/11-5.6GB
05/11-4.2GB
06/11-1.1GB(lost phone 3 weeks without smartphone)
07/11-3.2GB
07/11-3.2GB
08/11-15.6GB(downloaded OSX 10.7 via WiFi tether)
09/11-4.8GB
10/11-6.8GB
11/11-6.5GB
12/11-2.5GB(didn't have a smartphone half the month)
01/12-5.6GB
Current cycle 14 days in 4.9GB
I got my notice at 2 as well. Real close to leaving my unlimited plan.
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I have to agree. If they are pinging you for 1.8 then I would definitely complain. They offer 2 and 4 Gb plans. Unless you exceeded the 2 then I do not know why they would say something. As it stands, you are already paying $5 extra a month for the "unlimited" and if you are not exceeding 2Gb by much then they are still making money off of you. This is pure greed. They are so worried about losing some money that they are now finding ways to force people to a limited plan. This top 5% of the area is a load of crap. Surely they can make it where once a person exceeds 2Gb AND they fall in the top 5% then send the message. I would think this would be a basic programming of rules.
I always wonder if they have "exceptions" to this rule. I can guarantee that if the top 5% only uses around 1 to 1.3 Gb, then they say absolutely nothing. After all, if a user has never exceeded the 2Gb in years, then making them pay $25 vice $30 would be draining their own pockets.
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So complain to?...I already tried and csr's are clueless. They'll tell you they arent sure what formula AT&T uses to calculate top 5% etc etc bla bla...
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Maybe all the heavy users in your area went out of town for Christmas/New years?
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hmm you maybe on to something, I didn't even consider that being a poor guy in a mostly white collar area, maybe they all went skying and snowboard for the holidays.....
And in a related news story........
AT&T Introduces New Smartphone Data Plans w/3GB and 5GB Options
What happens when you "get notified" that you are in the top 5% of users?
Once notified your in top 5%, att throttles your data speeds to about .15kbps.
Total conspiracy going on here greedy mofos..let me recap on my experience.
October:12gb
November: 9gb
December:[email protected] 2gb
At end of cycle I still used 9gb(buahaha) Att p!ssed me off so I downloaded mp4's,apps,mp3's as much as I could=]
January:throttled [email protected] >=[
Here we go again...so much for unlimited even though you pay.
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Remember that the unlimited still has a clause built into the TOS of "Fair Usage" THe unlimited plan was made when there were only feature phones and then for the few that got the first smartphones. It was mainly set up for Business users that needed it while out of the office. Now that every kid and their grandmother has a smartphone so they are doing away with it after the unlimited was abused. IT started with the Icrap users always streaming stuff. Now you have every one using the cloud and the data rate from some people are just not acceptable. Mix that with the fact that no one reads the TOS and this is what happens.
Well I've gotten the message for the past 3 months, at the moment my download speed is 131 kbps and upload speed is 1648 kbps I'm gettin screwed I feel, I've been with Att for 11 years now and now this crap. Took 22 minutes to download a 2.99mb app from the market. I'm not switching to a tiered plan gonna download 24/7, tired of getting this message every month at the 1 gig mark.
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Is there a different son that can be used, maybe?
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What about this..... http://www.traemcneely.com/2011/12/...rottle-4g-data-anti-throttling-trick-for-att/
Or something similar
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I average around 3gb a month. My company pays for my phone and I'm grandfathered in the unlimited. Not sure what AT&T totals my usage at since I've never seen the bill but my app usually says around 3gb.
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Well I've gotten the message for the past 3 months, at the moment my download speed is 131 kbps and upload speed is 1648 kbps I'm gettin screwed I feel, I've been with Att for 11 years now and now this crap. Took 22 minutes to download a 2.99mb app from the market. I'm not switching to a tiered plan gonna download 24/7, tired of getting this message every month at the 1 gig mark.
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Downloading is too slow. If you want to eat up as much data as possible, try uploading video to something like drop box 24/7.
I'm just trying to figure out Att's new throttle policy.
Someone started the rumor that while talking to att's throttle department, they were told that it would be based on a person's last month's usage.
Each one of us was interpreting this differently. Some say you will only be throttled when you hit your last month usage. meaning if you used 30 gb then you can use up to 30 gb the following month. I thought it would be if your previous month's usage was in the top 5% then you are screwed this month. It seems counter productive for att to follow this policy. Everyone will be using as much data to have more speed the following month.
I did some research and could only find that att's policy was always to base the top 5% users on the previous month's statistics of their whole consumer base.
Can you guys confirm this? Especially for those who have been unthrottled. what is your previous months stat compared to this month?
Here
PC Mag article from today with some good information.
I don't see how they could fairly base it on how much you personally/individually used the prior month/billing period. That could be even worse for some that don't use that much data even though they have an unlimited plan, as they could conceivably get throttled at 500 MB - maybe less. And furthermore, it flies in the face of their supposed concern which is the alleged "data hogs" on the network. Plus, if that were the case, wouldn't you just stream Pandora or something every night while you sleep and eventually get your "allowed" GB limit way up after a few months?
To me, if you are going to go with the ambiguous top 5% (as opposed to a sort of soft "cap" like T-Mobile's 5 GB throttle threshhold) the only fair way to do it is to base the 5% from the previous month/billing cycle on a nationwide standard of all UNLIMITED plan users (those on tiered plans should not be used in the calculation). A nationwide standard seems more equitable than punishing or rewarding people based on where they live and establishing the 5% "for a person's region." Why should I be punished or rewarded just because I live in Dallas when compared to someone who lives in Atlanta or NY.
To me, if they are going to insist on throttling and claiming it is based on bandwidth/spectrum concerns (which it is clearly not, since I'm sure they would gladly let someone on a 3 GB tiered plan use 20 GB in a billing period and just charge them $170 more that period - and someone using 20 GB of data on a tiered plan uses the same amount of bandwidth/spectrum as someone using 20 GB on an unlimited plan), then a reasonable policy would be something like:
1) If you are unlimited, you get up to 5 GB without having your LTE speeds throttled...ever (similar to T-Mobile's policy)
2) Once you go over 5 GB in a billing period, you can be throttled to 3G speeds if you are on a congested tower, but once you are connected to a non-congested tower (whether because you are on the same tower when you got throttled, but it is no longer congested, or you changed towers because you left the house, got home, etc.) you are back to LTE speeds (similar to Verizon's policy)
No more of this ambiguous, inconsistent 5% nonsense. Put something concrete and transparent in place. And in my opinion, either #1 or #2 above would be better than what they do now.
However, I doubt they would ever put a policy in place that combined #1 and #2 above because it would likely not help achieve AT&T's goal with the throttling, which is clearly to "encourage" people to drop their unlimited plans for tiered plans so AT&T can make more money.
does anyone know the phone number to the throttle department?
AT&T’s policies are broken. First they decide to throttle the top 5% without releasing any information on what that is. Soon after we realize those using
Netflix, hulu, and slingbox were being throttled at around 2GB when others were being throttled much later (probably more closer to the real “top 5%” of the area)
Then AT&T stopped penalizing people using their phones to stream movies and tv shows and started throttling everybody at 2GB or less
Now, there are rumors of a “press release” which hasn’t been seen anywhere yet that says they will base throttling off last month’s data usage.
However things are about to change again, as a judge recently awarded a throttling customer $850 stating “it wasn't fair for the company to purposely slow down his iPhone, when it had sold him an "unlimited data" plan.”
This opens up a whole can of worms for AT&T, one they will feel. If even a fraction of those throttled gets a similar payout this would be very bad for AT&T. lets pretend 800,000x$850= $680,000,000
AT&T’s next move could quite possibly hurt the company more than any scandal it could ever imagine.
My guess is they will do less throttling and even that will be at higher levels then we have seen over the last few months, maybe around 5gb? 10gb? In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they stopped throttling all together.
Im sure after dude won his $850, at least 10’s of thousands of people have already filed small claims suits against the company already, when more of those articles come out, you will see that number jump to the hundreds of thousands.
if you haven't read about the small claims suit:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...data-throttling_n_1300212.html?ref=technology
http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/at-t-iphone-user-wins-data-throttling-case-850
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/att-throttling-customer/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mickeym...this-two-big-consumer-small-claims-victories/
I was "unthrottled" earlier this week....still there now.
Curious to see what happens next month
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Happy someone did it. I was forced to switch to a tiered plan from my unlimited because I was being throttled at around 2gb. That lasted maybe a week and a half then my new lte skyrocket was pretty much useless data wise. I'm on the 3gb plan for the same price. I hope more people sue att.
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I was "unthrottled" earlier this week....still there now.
Curious to see what happens next month
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How much data did you use last month?
How much this month?
I'm more curious about their throttling department, I WOULD love to talk to them, since my last throttling was around 7 gb and now I'm being threatened around 3 gb, total bull****.
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I was warned in December at 4 1/2 gigs and then throttled in January at 2 gigs....BUT I was up in NY with LTE speeds in December but live in a non-LTE area so I think they considered me in the top 5% for where I live NOT where I was using the data. My fastest d/l speed at my house is 4mb. I think 4mb is throttled compared to people that have LTE so I think I shouldn't be throttled at all.
Oddly, AT&T continues to claim that throttling policies are in place to save spectrum, however, it would seem that the very people they try to throttle (unlimited LTE data plans) are using less "spectrum" overall than 2G and 3G users. That being said, people using rediculous amounts of data (abusive) need to be throttled...perhaps similar to Verizon's throttling which is currently a more fair approach. Here is an article about the "spectrum" crisis that could happen...
"LTE, for example, can handle roughly six to eight times the capacity of a 2G network. Some of those savings would be lost to users taking advantage of video and other high-bandwidth services available on LTE, but not so much as to use up all the increased efficiencies.
Graduated or tiered bandwidth pricing, likewise, discourages excessive network use by a few extreme customers, especially at peak times."
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...disaster-now-for-the-hard-part/#ixzz1nT31Jb5O
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Oddly, AT&T continues to claim that throttling policies are in place to save spectrum, however, it would seem that the very people they try to throttle (unlimited LTE data plans) are using less "spectrum" overall than 2G and 3G users. That being said, people using rediculous amounts of data (abusive) need to be throttled...perhaps similar to Verizon's throttling which is currently a more fair approach. Here is an article about the "spectrum" crisis that could happen...
"LTE, for example, can handle roughly six to eight times the capacity of a 2G network. Some of those savings would be lost to users taking advantage of video and other high-bandwidth services available on LTE, but not so much as to use up all the increased efficiencies.
Graduated or tiered bandwidth pricing, likewise, discourages excessive network use by a few extreme customers, especially at peak times."
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...disaster-now-for-the-hard-part/#ixzz1nT31Jb5O
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While the tiered pricing may theoretically encourage people to use less spectrum, AT&T would happily let someone on a 3 GB tiered plan use 20 GB and change them an extra $170 that period.
The thing is that that tiered user takes up just as much spectrum to get to that 20 GB as an unlimited user who also uses 20 GB - the $10 charged for each additional GB of usage in a tiered plan does does not magically create additional spectrum. The ONLY difference is that the unlimited would essentially be paying $1.50/GB, while the tiered user would be paying $10/GB, and AT&T does not like that because they aren't making as much money as they could.
So while they can say that tiered plans encourage people to use less data (which to some extent it probably does/would) and that is a good thing because spectrum is limited, at the end of the day, the heart of the matter boils down to money...plain and simple. And AT&T wants to get people off unlimited plans, not because of a spectrum issue, but because they want to make more money.
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I used 5 and was throttled last month...end total was 7
At 2 i was throttled this month. When unthrottled i was at 9. No clue what i am at now a week later but i will check
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You need to report this. From what I understand it is not supposed to be throttling at that low of usage AND if you are throttled, it should only be down to 3G speeds from LTE speeds.
I wouldn't mind as much if we were just throttled to 3g speeds.
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I wouldn't mind as much if we were just throttled to 3g speeds.
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I wouldn't mind as much if we were just throttled to 3g speeds.
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Yup.. it's gd terrible lol, I think edge is faster than their throttled speeds.
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Yup.. it's gd terrible lol, I think edge is faster than their throttled speeds.
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that's correct. throttle speeds are edge speeds.
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I used 5 and was throttled last month...end total was 7
At 2 i was throttled this month. When unthrottled i was at 9. No clue what i am at now a week later but i will check
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I wonder if their new policy will begin next month and will be used on this month's use. I'm just debating whether I should raise my usage. I'm still below 2gigs unthrottled with some 10 days left.
btw I remember you were the one who said that this would be their new policy.
do you happen to have the throttle dpt direct #?
BTW i was thinking. should someone start a thread about the lawsuit on the att forums?
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Registered to pass along this new article online that was released today. Though I would share for those like myself who are still on the unlimited data plan.
slashgear.com/att-increases-unlimited-data-throttling-threshold-01216421/
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AT&T revealed today that it has made some adjustments to its data throttling policy for customers still subscribed to legacy unlimited data plans. Customers on these unlimited data plans will now have a higher data cap before throttling kicks in. For those on HSPA+ plans the cap will be 3GB per month, while the cap for LTE customers will be 5GB.
AT&T’s unlimited data throttling policy was instituted back in October of the last year, but the company never did reveal in detail what the data cap would be for throttling, merely stating that only its top 5 percent of heaviest data users would be affected. Early last month, the company came under fire when some customers discovered that their unlimited data plans were being throttled after reaching only 2GB of data use, despite the plans costing the same as a current tiered 3GB plan.
It looks like enough pressure was applied that AT&T is now responding by raising the data cap and being more transparent about exactly where those thresholds sit. The caps are now 3GB for HSPA+ subscribers and 5GB for LTE subscribers, which is certainly a welcome boost up from the 2GB cap that appeared to be in force regardless of whether a customer was on an HSPA+ or LTE unlimited data plan. Users can check their monthly data usage by dialing “*data#” on their mobile phones.
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well this will suck for users like me, who every month use about 20-40GB
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well this will suck for users like me, who every month use about 20-40GB
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Wow, that's a lot of data! I use around 10Gb average, and I'm pissed about being limited to 5Gb. In fact, last month was the first month I have ever been throttled. That's far from "Unlimited". And don't give me that BS that "they don't promise unlimited speeds". At 0.14Mbps I can't get one damn song to buffer on Google Music. It's freaking terrible! Google maps is near impossible to use. They might as well turn our data off at those piss poor speeds!
I just hope we can get at least one dev to come up with a solution so we can stick it to AT&T!
Damn 10gb.
I hit my max of 3gb last month. That was mostly google music streaming, FB, EAS mail, web, and RDP connections.
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Wow, that's a lot of data! I use around 10Gb average, and I'm pissed about being limited to 5Gb. In fact, last month was the first month I have ever been throttled. That's far from "Unlimited". And don't give me that BS that "they don't promise unlimited speeds". At 0.14Mbps I can't get one damn song to buffer on Google Music. It's freaking terrible! Google maps is near impossible to use. They might as well turn our data off at those piss poor speeds!
I just hope we can get at least one dev to come up with a solution so we can stick it to AT&T!
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Goto sprint Jesus I dealt with that everyday with them so please quit complaining and enjoy what you have you pay less than me for the same amount of data
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Aww....After seeing the successful lawsuit against Att this month,I purposely stepped up my data usage in hopes of getting throttled.
Oh well at least they are relaxing their sheisty practices.
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Bender B. Rodgriguez said:
Aww....After seeing the successful lawsuit against Att this month,I purposely stepped up my data usage in hopes of getting throttled.
Oh well at least they are relaxing their sheisty practices.
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THey throttled me last month without notification. Took a level 3 tiered Engineer to tell me they had a glitch in the system with unlimited data users. I said BS and they gave me my last months data charges refunded. It was just a matter of time before ATT got tired of taking heat for this hot topic.
Canceled my unlimited data plan two weeks ago to change to the 3GB tiered plan, because they were throttling me at 2GB. This "update" to the unlimited plan makes me furious!
att made a webpage on their site explaining this
http://www.att.com/esupport/datausage.jsp
If you guys are using 10GB+ .... You must not have Internet at home?? I have a 30Mbps down and 3Mbps up at home and I run 24/7 server, yet I achieve 500-800GB....
WOW , some smartphone users amaze me; must be sittin on da toilet using that bandwidth!
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If you guys are using 10GB+ .... You must not have Internet at home?? I have a 30Mbps down and 3Mbps up at home and I run 24/7 server, yet I achieve 500-800GB....
WOW , some smartphone users amaze me; must be sittin on da toilet using that bandwidth!
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Some of these users that you are disparaging do have jobs that require them to leave their homes (for days sometimes). Some of them are drivers and are on the road most of their time. Some work in jobs that have closed networks.
It would be nice if everyone was living on welfare or disability checks, sitting at home achieving those 800 gig a month stats.
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Some of these users that you are disparaging do have jobs that require them to leave their homes (for days sometimes). Some of them are drivers and are on the road most of their time. Some work in jobs that have closed networks.
It would be nice if everyone was living on welfare or disability checks, sitting at home achieving those 800 gig a month stats.
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Eh, I don't think he was really being malicious with what he wrote. To me it came across as more in awe that people are able to use that much data on a phone.
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Tru, but if they're in the road working, ur telling me that 10+ gigs is only emails and work communiques? I think not lol
The reason I use around 10Gb a month is that I can't use wifi at my job because we are hard wired due to the work we do (very secure), so I stream a lot at my job. Also, my gym doesn't have wifi and I work out 4-5 days a week (@ a minimum 2 hours each time) so I'm usually streaming music via Google music there. It's easy for me to chew through data, but I just don't have access to wifi very often.
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Tru, but if they're in the road working, ur telling me that 10+ gigs is only emails and work communiques? I think not lol
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Ofcourse not, my high usage has always been because if i have an unlimited datat plan i will use it. I use it to stream while on the road, which i am on 4 days a week and sometimes more.
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Ofcourse not, my high usage has always been because if i have an unlimited datat plan i will use it. I use it to stream while on the road, which i am on 4 days a week and sometimes more.
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I think the ideal solution would be if AT&T did it like Verizon. That would be awesome.
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I think the ideal solution would be if AT&T did it like Verizon. That would be awesome.
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They never will, but this shows that they are willing to compromise, and not just ignore us.
I'm sure that if we keep trying, we may get the cap raised, at the very least for us LTE users, let the 3G users (See: iPhone) stay stuck at 3GB, us LTE users (just need an LTE phone) deserve more.
i streamed netflix to my phone constantly for a whole billing cycle and maxed out at 9 gb and thats the most intensive app on the market. Whoever said they use 20+ gigs a month is a little crazy and i do believe when people use that much it does hurt the other users on the network. and to the guy that said hes streaming stuff at his job...how come if your job is so secure how are you allowed to plop down and stream movies or music? it baffles me how i tested it and maxed out at 9 gigs but some people can get 20+ in one month. That's too much. Also you will find out that if people continue to do that instead of allowing you to keep the unlimited when you sign up for a new contract they wont let you take the unlimited with you. Also i streamed music for 5 hours on pandora and it only hit 150 mb of data so you must be either never sleeping and on your phone 24 hours a day or abusing your unlimited data plan.
By abusing your unlimited plan i mean you tethering it to a computer and downloading large files hmm i think i might be right
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By abusing your unlimited plan i mean you tethering it to a computer and downloading large files hmm i think i might be right
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I'd like to know what you think of a guy like me that has to drive for a living bringing merchandise from big warehouses from across this nation to retailers so you and everyone else can buy what they need on a daily basis, and not only merchandise but groceries for your nearest food store and you come here and judge my high usage, who are you to judge the long and lonely nights i have to be away from my family so that you and everyone else can go to they're nearest grocery store and buy they' re food to put on your table. Next time stop and think before you call someone crazy for using 20+GB or more a month.
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I'd like to know what you think of a guy like me that has to drive for a living bringing merchandise from big warehouses from across this nation to retailers so you and everyone else can buy what they need on a daily basis, and not only merchandise but groceries for your nearest food store and you come here and judge my high usage, who are you to judge the long and lonely nights i have to be away from my family so that you and everyone else can go to they're nearest grocery store and buy they' re food to put on your table. Next time stop and think before you call someone crazy for using 20+GB or more a month.
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I can see how being on the road and constantly using ur phone can get you 20GB of data. Personally I feel AT&T should have a separate special plan for people who are on the road all the time due to work. Thanks for bringing us stuff btw!
Verizon backs off plans to throttle unlimited data users:
http://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-backs-off-on-plans-to-throttle-unlimited-data-users/
Awesome news.
Sweet victory! Perhaps the FCC finally did its job?
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Honestly I think it may have been a good idea, after all why should data hogs get to slow everyone else's speeds down ? If someone is using a ridiculous amount of data why should everyone else have to suffer for it ?
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Honestly I think it may have been a good idea, after all why should data hogs get to slow everyone else's speeds down ? If someone is using a ridiculous amount of data why should everyone else have to suffer for it ?
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Or maybe, since some customers are entitled to unlimited data, Verizon should keep their infrastructure updated and upgraded to handle the demand rather than blame someone for using a service they're paying for.
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Or maybe, since some customers are entitled to unlimited data, Verizon should keep their infrastructure updated and upgraded to handle the demand rather than blame someone for using a service they're paying for.
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I"am talking about the real data hogs the ones that stream videos all day long. With all their customers it would be nearly impossible to be able update that much to where the data hogs dont affect all the others using data, they can only do so much its not like they can just pull those kind of updates out of there arse.
I"am talking realistically that is why verizons data is slower than at&t's because verizons is already congested enough then add on data hogs and everyone else feels the effects of the over users, which its the ones that brag about how much data they use like they are proud of it and try to use as much as they can and have no reguard for anyone but themselves.
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I"am talking about the real data hogs the ones that stream videos all day long. With all their customers it would be nearly impossible to be able update that much to where the data hogs dont affect all the others using data, they can only do so much its not like they can just pull those kind of updates out of there arse.
I"am talking realistically that is why verizons data is slower than at&t's because verizons is already congested enough then add on data hogs and everyone else feels the effects of the over users, which its the ones that brag about how much data they use like they are proud of it and try to use as much as they can and have no reguard for anyone but themselves.
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Streaming videos all day long should be an acceptable use of unlimited data. The real problem is people torrenting and tethering and racking up 100+GB/mo. Even then, those people are a vast minority and I doubt they have a realistic effect when looking at the big picture.
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I"am talking about the real data hogs the ones that stream videos all day long.
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Well, the problem with that is, from what I've read Verizon has said the top so called 5 percent (of "data hogs") supposedly is those that use 4 GBs and up. I find it hard to believe that 4 gigs makes the top 5 percent. I'm one who still has unlimited data. I use anywhere from 4 GB's to 6 GB's of data a month. Something that isn't hard to do. If I happen to use 5 GB's, or even 10, I'd like to know how my 5 congest the network anymore than somebody who's on a 10 gig plan and uses 5 in that same month does.
To me, it's obvious this was nothing more than a ploy to try to force those that still have unlimited data to get off it. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with it if they'd do the same with everyone. But to just single somebody like me out when the guy who has a 10 gig plan uses more than I do is, well, like I said, it's obvious what it is.
It seems to me if they want to get rid of the unlimited data users they should just eliminate the plan. Can't quite figure out why they don't do that. Nobody who has unlimited has a contract with them anymore so I can't see any legal type reason. Perhaps there are more of us left out there than I think and they are worried that it would cause too many customers to jump and run. So, instead, try to squeeze them out slowly and eventually when there isn't enough of them left to worry about, eliminate the plan all together.
Can anybody tell me how my 4-6 GBs a month congests the network anymore than the guy who has a 10 GB plan and uses the same does? I didn't think so.
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Streaming videos all day long should be an acceptable use of unlimited data. The real problem is people torrenting and tethering and racking up 100+GB/mo. Even then, those people are a vast minority and I doubt they have a realistic effect when looking at the big picture.
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I think they should be cut to at least half speed when they go over 5 gb's that is fairly reasonable. I think they slow things down more than people realize, you have to take in to account how congested a lot of towers can be in populated areas and they are infringing upon the rights of others, Why should they be able to slow everyone else down ?
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I think they should be cut to at least half speed when they go over 5 gb's that is fairly reasonable. I think they slow things down more than people realize, you have to take in to account how congested a lot of towers can be in populated areas and they are infringing upon the rights of others, Why should they be able to slow everyone else down ?
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I think you're missing the point - if you're sold an "unlimited" service it should be unlimited. It's fully Verizon's responsibility to provide the infrastructure that can support the service they sold. If they can't support said service then they shouldn't have it as an option.
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Well, the problem with that is, from what I've read Verizon has said the top so called 5 percent (of "data hogs") supposedly is those that use 4 GBs and up. I find it hard to believe that 4 gigs makes the top 5 percent. I'm one who still has unlimited data. I use anywhere from 4 GB's to 6 GB's of data a month. Something that isn't hard to do. If I happen to use 5 GB's, or even 10, I'd like to know how my 5 congest the network anymore than somebody who's on a 10 gig plan and uses 5 in that same month does.
To me, it's obvious this was nothing more than a ploy to try to force those that still have unlimited data to get off it. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with it if they'd do the same with everyone. But to just single somebody like me out when the guy who has a 10 gig plan uses more than I do is, well, like I said, it's obvious what it is.
It seems to me if they want to get rid of the unlimited data users they should just eliminate the plan. Can't quite figure out why they don't do that. Nobody who has unlimited has a contract with them anymore so I can't see any legal type reason. Perhaps there are more of us left out there than I think and they are worried that it would cause too many customers to jump and run. So, instead, try to squeeze them out slowly and eventually when there isn't enough of them left to worry about, eliminate the plan all together.
Can anybody tell me how my 4-6 GBs a month congests the network anymore than the guy who has a 10 GB plan and uses the same does? I didn't think so.
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I"am not talking about total data per say I"am talking about data hogs that slow down others in populated areas, if the data speed is there then I think it shouldn't matter but when they are infringing upon the rights of others by slowing them down because they are being a " Data Hog " then they should be cut to half speed.
I"am not saying cut them to 3g speed but cut them to half the lte speed if they are affecting the use of others speed wise.
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It seems to me if they want to get rid of the unlimited data users they should just eliminate the plan. Can't quite figure out why they don't do that. Nobody who has unlimited has a contract with them anymore so I can't see any legal type reason. Perhaps there are more of us left out there than I think and they are worried that it would cause too many customers to jump and run. So, instead, try to squeeze them out slowly and eventually when there isn't enough of them left to worry about, eliminate the plan all together.
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There are actually people out there with unlimited contracts. In fact, I renewed my contract several months ago and kept my unlimited data. There are still ways around it.
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I"am not talking about total data per say I"am talking about data hogs that slow down others in populated areas, if the data speed is there then I think it shouldn't matter but when they are infringing upon the rights of others by slowing them down because they are being a " Data Hog " then they should be cut to half speed.
I"am not saying cut them to 3g speed but cut them to half the lte speed if they are affecting the use of others speed wise.
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The only fair solution here is to throttle everyone equally. As stated by robocuff, throttling unlimited plans is just a ploy to get people to move over to metered plans.
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I think you're missing the point - if you're sold an "unlimited" service it should be unlimited. It's fully Verizon's responsibility to provide the infrastructure that can support the service they sold. If they can't support said service then they shouldn't have it as an option.
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Cellular providers have a different definition of unlimited, most providers have a 2 to 3 gb limit even on unlimited plans. I think sprint capped theirs at 5 gb's at some point not sure anymore. They have to limit or you have people using their cell data plan for their home internet and use 100 gb's or more tethering to computers.
I"am not talking about saving them money what I"am talking about is how these abusers affect the other data users why should the normal user be affected by these data hogs, how is that fair to the average user ?
They should be slowed to 1/2 lte speed if they are affecting others as they have no right to abuse and affect everyone else.
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There are actually people out there with unlimited contracts. In fact, I renewed my contract several months ago and kept my unlimited data. There are still ways around it.
The only fair solution here is to throttle everyone equally. As stated by robocuff, throttling unlimited plans is just a ploy to get people to move over to metered plans.
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If they hog the data then they should be slowed down, that would not be fair to the average user. Why should data hogs be allowed to put their needs over everyone else ?
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Cellular providers have a different definition of unlimited, most providers have a 2 to 3 gb limit even on unlimited plans. I think sprint capped theirs at 5 gb's at some point not sure anymore. They have to limit or you have people using their cell data plan for their home internet and use 100 gb's or more tethering to computers.
I"am not talking about saving them money what I"am talking about is how these abusers affect the other data users why should the normal user be affected by these data hogs, how is that fair to the average user ?
They should be slowed to 1/2 lte speed if they are affecting others as they have no right to abuse and affect everyone else.
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The solution is for Verzon to upgrade their infrastructure or stop offering unlimited plans. Aside from that, I think we should agree to disagree since this is going in circles.
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The solution is for Verzon to upgrade their infrastructure or stop offering unlimited plans. Aside from that, I think we should agree to disagree since this is going in circles.
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It all boils down to fairness abusers should not be able to affect the use of others.
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I"am not talking about total data per say I"am talking about data hogs that slow down others in populated areas, if the data speed is there then I think it shouldn't matter but when they are infringing upon the rights of others by slowing them down because they are being a " Data Hog " then they should be cut to half speed.
I"am not saying cut them to 3g speed but cut them to half the lte speed if they are affecting the use of others speed wise.
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I understand that but the problem with it is Verizon isn't talking about just those that you're talking about. They're including those that may use less data than somebody on a tiered plan. I fail to see how that can be optimizing anything when they allow others to use more and not throttle them too.
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I understand that but the problem with it is Verizon isn't talking about just those that you're talking about. They're including those that may use less data than somebody on a tiered plan. I fail to see how that can be optimizing anything when they allow others to use more and not throttle them too.
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Yeah maybe they should just throttle anyone to half lte speed after they use so much data in one day, such as limit each one line to a data limit of 1 gb then over 1 gb in a day and lte speeds go to 1/2 speed of the others that used less than 1 gb.
That would be extremely reasonable and fair and would slow down the hogs using 100 gb's and such so even on unlimited they could still get up to 30 gb's in a 30 day period all at full speed and anything over the 1 gb per day goes to 1/2 the lte speed of others.
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If they hog the data then they should be slowed down, that would not be fair to the average user. Why should data hogs be allowed to put their needs over everyone else ?
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One more response and then I'm done. Data isn't a limited resource, although bandwidth sometimes is. Consider the case where someone with an unlimited plan uses 5GB of data on an uncongested tower and affects nobody. Then, they move to a different and congested tower. Is it fair that, according to you, they should be throttled simply because they have "unlimited" data and already used their allowance of unthrottled data? Keep in mind that Verizon has no problem letting a limited plan run as fast as possible. In fact, if a limited plan passes its limit, service isn't interrupted - the account is charged and data keeps on flowing. It is beneficial for Verizon to keep all limited plans running at full speed so that they can maximize revenue.
Bottom line is, this is just a money-making ploy. You can still be a "data hog" with a limited plan so long as you keep your wallet open so your argument of "fairness" isn't valid.
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One more response and then I'm done. Data isn't a limited resource, although bandwidth sometimes is. Consider the case where someone with an unlimited plan uses 5GB of data on an uncongested tower and affects nobody. Then, they move to a different and congested tower. Is it fair that, according to you, they should be throttled simply because they have "unlimited" data and already used their allowance of unthrottled data? Keep in mind that Verizon has no problem letting a limited plan run as fast as possible. In fact, if a limited plan passes its limit, service isn't interrupted - the account is charged and data keeps on flowing. It is beneficial for Verizon to keep all limited plans running at full speed so that they can maximize revenue.
Bottom line is, this is just a money-making ploy. You can still be a "data hog" with a limited plan so long as you keep your wallet open so your argument of "fairness" isn't valid.
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They should just throttle anyone to half lte speed after they use so much data in one day, such as limit each one line to a data limit of 1 gb then over 1 gb in a day and lte speeds go to 1/2 speed of the others that used less than 1 gb.
That would be extremely reasonable and fair and would slow down the hogs using 100 gb's and such so even on unlimited they could still get up to 30 gb's in a 30 day period all at full speed and anything over the 1 gb per day goes to 1/2 the lte speed of others.
robocuff said:
Well, the problem with that is, from what I've read Verizon has said the top so called 5 percent (of "data hogs") supposedly is those that use 4 GBs and up. I find it hard to believe that 4 gigs makes the top 5 percent. I'm one who still has unlimited data. I use anywhere from 4 GB's to 6 GB's of data a month. Something that isn't hard to do. If I happen to use 5 GB's, or even 10, I'd like to know how my 5 congest the network anymore than somebody who's on a 10 gig plan and uses 5 in that same month does.
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This right here. The only instance where 4.6 gigs is the "top 5 percent" is when you factor in ALL data plans, including the cheap ones. I'll bet you any money that's how they arrived at that number.
It should've been the top 5 percent of unlimited data users only.
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Div033 said:
This right here. The only instance where 4.6 gigs is the "top 5 percent" is when you factor in ALL data plans, including the cheap ones. I'll bet you any money that's how they arrived at that number.
It should've been the top 5 percent of unlimited data users only.
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My thoughts exactly. I'd be willing to bet they're including those who aren't using smart phones. So called dumb phones. They use data too.