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Hi guys is there any chance this would happen? I know that the Galaxy S 4G has everything to support this. So anyone willing to develop a port. The S2 has already a working one so why not galaxy s 4g?
Thanks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1407967
Wrong section :'(
No. back to general with !! ! Oh wait this is the 30th thread?
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I sometimes think that this is done on purpose. :/
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If this isn't a dev posting a working and bootable ICS for SGS4G then does this topic belong here? This been posted about a billion times in the right section of the SGS4G forum mind you. Use search function, post in old decrepit post about ICS, but please don't hog up the development section with this garbage. Important stuff belongs here like the roms that the devs here work so hard on only to be under appreciated by a bunch of sniveling children who didn't get their beloved CM7. Yes ICS got unwittingly dropped by the ever so greedy and scrooge like Samsung, who against Google's Open Handset Alliance, which promises a device would be supported for 18 months, has decided they are going to drop all galaxy devices period rather than provide official ICS. If you'd really like ICS then you'd best start donating. Money is tight for me right now but I know when my cash flow picks up my green backs are going to start moving in this direction.
You know what I've come to understand? A new user won't know how the regular users will want the forum to run. I made the same mistake myself and had a few threads moved out of the dev section. It's a dev question, so it could properly fit in the dev board.
You're just bumping the thread needlessly. Next time do what I did and just post a link to where the topic was discussed instead of ranting about how it's in the wrong section. Just report the thread and have one of the mods move it. It's much easier than having to take time out of your day to type up a long post talking about how pissed off you are about it.
Merry xmas everyone!
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Moving to Q&A
As FBis said, links are the way to go!
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It seems to me that any thread pertaining to another phone has been removed by the mods lately. What's up with this? I understand that the thread may not be about the infuse, so I understand your logic for moving them. However, what about those of us that may want to discuss new phone options with fellow Infuse owners that we have been in a community with for some time now?
To me, it seems as if you're controlling what a new group of friends can talk about, and basically being an overly harsh dictator. I respect the opinion of my fellow Infusers, so why can't I talk about new phones with them in a place where I know it will be mostly Infuse owners? It's the GENERAL section for a reason. You're supposed to post any random discussion you want there, so long as it is not offensive and is appropriate for all.
Specifically, I'm referring to the threads about the galaxy note. I was enjoying reading the opinions of all of you, as I will probably be upgrading to it this summer.
And don't say that I can go read in the AT&T note section, because that is not what I am talking about. In the AT&T note section, you get the opinions of all sorts of people coming from different devices, whereas a thread here will only gather the opinions of Infuse owners. I want to be able to talk about new phones without the thread being deleted or moved after a few days.
/endrant
Sorry for the lengthy response, I just think the mods should be a bit more lenient.
There should be one thread for all of it. People can post about it without clogging up the forum.
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big infuse comparison thread.....
/endrant
I have been holding my tongue...
BUT I'm kinda getting there:
HERE IS WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO POST IT:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1255388
All non-Infuse phone goes there...
skyrot, all-trix, galax Not, etc...you get the idea
Sorry, forgot about that thread as its a sticky and I do most of my reading on my phone, where stickies are under a different tab. My bad. Although I still think it wouldn't be that terrible to have a thread here and there regarding specific new phones. Whoops.
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Sorry, forgot about that thread as its a sticky and I do most of my reading on my phone, where stickies are under a different tab. My bad. Although I still think it wouldn't be that terrible to have a thread here and there regarding specific new phones. Whoops.
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np..i don't have any issue usually, but as new threads get created with only a few posts, the older but good thread with lots of material gets pushed back.
We end up with such a large clutter that is harder to follow.
bronco is actually pretty tolerant...I've on seen one thread got locked in the past several months.
Try Dolphin HD with desktop toggle add-on for full web page browsing from phone.
If you want to discuss about a new phone, if that alreday has a dedicated forum, then you can talk about it there.
If not you can post in General-General.
Certainly you cant post in the Infuse forum.
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P.S. You can also use the Infuse Comparison thread which is stickied on this forum
ok ok i know im new hear but first impressions. i dont fell welcome.
the problem isnt the users hear. they are great..........its the moderators.
all i see is threds less than 24hours old with no replyes are closed. threads that need to be talked about. also threads that where closed for no reason. or some one has made a mistake and rather than fix the problom they just close it.
why are they doing this?
also after meany pleas from alot of users. they still refuse to make an xperia pro (not mini) thread or a sony tablet p thread
we cant "just use the xperia arc or xperia s forums" as they are still verry different when it comes to rooting ect,
this place moderated in the wrong way. this isnt supposed to be a dictatorship
im shore im going to get band for this but it only proves my point
just a few examples
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642936
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642807
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644487
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644233
also they keep crying "USE THE SEARCH".........im sorry but the "search" needs some work in a big way
Welcome.
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so did you just post this trying to make your way to the 10 post rule? im just saying... it looks that way because its just a few pages that your talking about, but any way... i just sign up because i got the HTC one x and android forums dont have people on it yet to help with the AT&T X. but you could always try them out... ive always gotten alot of useful info from AF.
Grow up. XDA is free. Most of us here, including mods, do this for NOTHING, except the occasional press of the thanks button.
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I'm sorry you feel that way dude, but you have to remember that the primary goal of XDA is development. Lot's of friendly people do their best to help the less tech savvy work their way through how to do things, but the primary purpose is to make it as easy as possible for the developers to develop. That means spam needs to be kept to a minimum.
I'm sorry, but that's just the way things are, and the majority of users are ok with this because they see that the results of this Iron Fist is faster and better development for all.
Isn't that video a part of the sign-up process anyway?
I don't believe so, but it should be. And if there was any place to vote on that, I'd vote for it 100%. I really, really believe it would help cut down on threads like these, especially since it has some humor in it and not everyone knows how to use a forum from the get go.
Hmmm.......I think this forum is great....
Half of the threads that are posted in different sections don't belong there. It's annoying seeing "Why is my phone rebooting?" with a very vague description of the problem, in the General section.
That's why most are closed, they're just in the wrong section.
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Go watch 'the video' sparky
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Thread closed. If you have a problem with the moderators, this is not the place to take it up with us.
I love XDA. I learned how to root my first phone and continue to find my ROMs and mods here. I couldn't imagine owning an android without this place. When I first started my rooting experience, I wouldn't have made it without the community here. However, with that being said, I took a lot of flack asking questions in the wrong section or asking questions that were TOO simple. I still see it. Continuously. Worse than before. So, to you, those of whom I speak, I send a msg.
Stop being know-it-alls and dicks and ass holes! YOUR NOT COOL! Talking all big and smart on a forum? Where you'll never see or have physical contact with those you pick on? Yea, there ya go....... Maybe you are cool.......... Hmm? No, your not.
I know this post will go unheeded and I'm sure ill receive the flack myself. I usually just ignore the negativity but I saw a post earlier that really bothered me. I can only imagine the difficulty in keeping this place friendly and my own post may go against my msg, but it had to be said.
P.S. Hey dicks, stop being dicks.
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I'm not trying to be classified as one of the people which you're speaking about, but it is annoying to see things that obviously are in the wrong section. Example, this thread's title is a question, so it should be in the Q&A section.
Another thing is when users ask questions when it has been discussed many times before and they did not use the search feature.
Bottom-line, it's annoying. That's why some people get rude.
EDIT: Now this is my view and opinion on the subject you brought up, don't get angry and start slurring hateful things just because someone sees things differently than you.
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Its the phone I guess. I never saw that many jerks on all the other forums I visited in the past.
Pathetic...
Opinions are great. They are a must. I have no problem with them whatsoever. How they are expressed though, that is what is a problem. Your edit seemed designed to try and bring out anger and slurs. It usually does.
Lol, my point exactly! Which area is correct? You think q&a, I think general fits best. The subject heading is in the form of a question, but this is more of a general discussion. Thats my intent anyway. Again, its opinion and how its expressed is what's important. Also, is it a big enough deal to make a fuss over, or is just someone looking to be mean.
A new user wouldn't be accustomed to the layout and the strict demands of some users. Thats what I consider understandable ignorance.
The comment that got to me was in the SG3 forum. Although I check out the Nexus, Rezound and skyrocket forums often and see the same thing.
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Opinions are great. They are a must. I have no problem with them whatsoever. How they are expressed though, that is what is a problem. Lol, my point exactly! Which area is correct? You think q&a, I think general fits best. Again, its opinion and how its presented. Also, is a big enough deal to make a fuss over, or is just someone looking to be mean.
The comment that got to me was in the SG3 forum. Although I check out the Nexus, Rezound and skyrocket forums often and see the same thing.
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Despite the general topic, it should be in the Q&A because it is being shown as a question.
Also, some people are just like that. You know how people get behind a screen. I do agree though, a lot of users on hear feel as if because they're knowledgable in something they act as if they're on a higher level than others. That's not right, and is unfair for those just trying to get help and learn. Instead that person is hit with flaming from all directions by tech hipsters.
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Your right. I know I'm being naive, but I'm hoping that by posting this, some might see it and take it easy.
The rude things I said, were in the hope that I could draw the angry posters in here and then turn them on to calm discussion. Again, naive, I know. But id like to come on here and read through the posts instead of going straight to the links for my downloads.
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I'm looking through the general thread and although the topics may not be in the form of a question, the actual discussions are.
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Crooke356 said:
I'm looking through the general thread and although the topics may not be in the form of a question, the actual discussions are.
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Sorry, what I was explaining before was specific to your thread.
You are correct though, if the content within the thread is a question, it should be in the Q&A.
I think most users that post questions in the General section are new, and don't know their way around. Anytime I see a question, I promptly tell them there is a Q&A section, the try to help.
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What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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That's a great point with which I agree.
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This issue comes from people coming here thinking it is a support forum when it is far from that. This is a development forum which means you ARE expected to put in the time to research issues before posting. This seldom happens and people get flamed. While I don't allow people to go off on new people I don't overly blame them. When i joined XDA I knew better then asking a question before I spent at least 2 hours searching and reading. If I did I was flamed to the high heavens and made to feel like I didn't belong. Which of course I didn't. Not until I learned what a development forum was all about.
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'I couldn't imagine owning an android without this place'
Couldn't agree more.
Mods can move threads and people can use the search function, so everyone can contribute to easing this issue.
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What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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Just ignore the question then your not required to answer ..if u have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all ..but I do know how you feel ..either way I still just politely answer their question because if I was in their shoes I'd want someone responding to me politely ..its a forum not a YouTube comment section lol
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Whats pretty odd/annoying is that there always a "I BRICKED MY PHONE!!!!" thread here on General at least once a week. Whats even more annoying is that most of the OP's have common phones (Galaxy series, HTC's and so on) that there is a 90% chance that it has a device forum, Mine doesnt have one, so I havent rooted it yet, But even with these people, I still love XDA forums! (even if im probably the only one that likes Apple)
People here seem to be barely suppressing buttfrustration. Let the butthurt flow through you.
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agree with both sides of the discussion.
however IMO, if you end up replying to a thread saying:
" noob, use the search feature man!!" or "-devs please move/lock thread"
the effort you spent typing out that ****, you could have simply answered the OP's question/help or whatever, am i wrong?
sometimes i see a question from a newbie that basically can be answered in 1 or 2 sentences but instead all i see is "use the search-feature, omg what a noob. do you not see the search button? devs lock thread plz".
yeah i understand if the OP could be trolling and or his post is tl;dr but to reject/flame even the simplest of things is absurd IMO.
Sometimes people do search but get no results.
At least if you're posting using tapatalk that is, have also had this problem using the website interface, as the search feature for xda often has days where it just returns no results and I have to try searching xda using google.
So it is possible some people genuinely did search and yet find nothing and so they post and risk getting picked on for doing so.
However I've only had problems at xda from die hard fanboys (of all platforms), in general most people at xda are very helpful and most rudeness comes from people who think they are superior and forget they were not always so well versed in the use of their preferred platform.
Those who want to be obnoxious will always be that way, but then if you're using a forum you have to expect idiots and not let them get to you so much.
At the end of the day it's just an idiot being big behind a screen and a username to boost their sense of superiority, it's sad they feel the need to do so but those that do will carry on regardless so all that can be done is to see them for who they are and not let them get to you.
Dave
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KayxGee1 said:
Despite the general topic, it should be in the Q&A because it is being shown as a question.
Also, some people are just like that. You know how people get behind a screen. I do agree though, a lot of users on hear feel as if because they're knowledgable in something they act as if they're on a higher level than others. That's not right, and is unfair for those just trying to get help and learn. Instead that person is hit with flaming from all directions by tech hipsters.
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I do not agree with this one bit. Just because a topic has a question mark, it does not belong in Q&A. Q&A is for topics that the user genuinely needs an answer, not for a topic that has no definitive answer and is meant to spark conversation.
lowandbehold said:
I do not agree with this one bit. Just because a topic has a question mark, it does not belong in Q&A. Q&A is for topics that the user genuinely needs an answer, not for a topic that has no definitive answer and is meant to spark conversation.
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From what I see, the two main questions are always asked in the General section.
1. What phone should I get?
2. Can someone help me with this device?
Those are flat out questions. Even though some maybe have a more broad spectrum of answers that can become a general conversation, it is still a question, regardless of how simplistic the question is.
EDIT: That's just my view I guess. You have a point though, and some topic do start general conversations.
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Remember I am not a moderator. I am only here to help!
Hi all,
As you all know we have a very nice collection of ROMS here in this section of XDA. And I must say, I love it and I will continue testing ROMS and kernels.
It is amazing how this section has grown. And more ROMS and developers are comming here to share their work.
However, every single thread I see people asking:
ETA's
Battery life
Will this work, will that work
Can you please add.....
When will you update this ROM with this base etc..
These things are not on the right place here.
As you all know we also don't have an own Q&A and General subforum like the Samsung Galaxy S / S Advance. I do understand why you put these questions here. It's the I9001 subforum.. But these questions are not on the right place here.
So we made these threads ourselfs:
[Q&As][REQs][etc]Q&A, REQ, PLEASE POST HERE!
Samsung Galaxy S Plus I9001 General
Samsung Galaxy S Plus I9001 Q&A
Yes I know these threads are somewhat chaotic. But, these threads are for us and our beloved phone.
I think we need some basicrules in here. Remember one important thing THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION OF THE SAMSUNG GALAXY S PLUS AKA ARIESVE AKA I9001.
Da rulez:
Read the XDA Rules: Link
Do not ask for ETA's (ETA stands for Estimated Time of Arrival)
Do not ask the developer to update the ROM with the newest base. If he/she has time it will be done. (it is not a must!!)
Do not ask the same thing in every thread (so if you ask something about a governor ask this in one kernel thread not in three)
Try before you ask. If you want to know something about a ROM read the thread, try and then ask.
Always read the instructions given bij the OP/Developer
Do not spam the thread. Trolling is funny I know but it has nothing to do with development. (WE NEED AN OFF TOPIC THREAD HERE :silly: )
If you have an important bug to report. Make a logcat.
Before posting anything, you must use the SEARCH button at the top of the webpage.
Respect each other. This is important. We all started as noobs as explaind here: Link
Use English when you are posting something here. If you are sending a private message to someone with the same language as you it's fine to use it. But post in English please.
If you are a new member here then please take a look here: Link
If you see something completly unfair/ against the rules / disrespectfull or whatever. Please use the report button it has an !
As a senior member of XDA I wish you good luck here. Happy flashing/modding/tweaking.
Cheers
Mrjraider
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This behaviour cannot be changed now...it's too late...
If we should have sub-forum for our device, things would probably be different.
TwinHeadedEagle said:
This behaviour cannot be changed now...it's too late...
If we should have sub-forum for our device, things would probably be different.
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We just must ask admin's for forum to our phone. We have a really nice number of users and new roms, threads here. Why we don't try?
Harrocan said:
We just must ask admin's for forum to our phone. We have a really nice number of users and new roms, threads here. Why we don't try?
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I did. A while ago. I sent a message to Whisky01 and he said it will be discussed.. But I havent heard from him ever since.
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In my opinion opening a topic for general things, will lead into a complete mess, because everyone wants to post questions to a different Rom or topic. So I would support these subforums i9000 users have for our phone.
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Okay, before we get any discussion I want to explain why I made this thread.
As we all know this community is huge, our section is getting bigger and bigger. New ROMS, Kernels and developers.
We also get new users who wants to help and got questions. For me as a newbie 7 months ago it was hard to get answers and solutions for my problems. I was hoping I got my 10 postcount as soon as possible so that I could participate in the development section. Back then I was very noob and was helping and answering where ever I could and that lead to problems and random posts/discussions. To prevent suchs issues I create this topic to get the basic rules of XDA easy explaind in one simple topic. I refer to the original rules and topics made by moderators and admins. But still, this thread is easy to read (at least I hope )
Another reason for this thread is this:
I see comments like this:
+1
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When will you update this ROM
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Any news????
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When are you releasing a fix
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Etc etc.
These comments are annoying, and in particular the +1 comments.. I hate them, and they fill the topic for no reason.
I also want to prevent "problems". Problems like spamming and misunderstanding.
These rules are in no way against anything on XDA. If you as user got any problems with this topic or even me. Sent me a PM please.
TwinHeadedEagle said:
This behaviour cannot be changed now...it's too late...
If we should have sub-forum for our device, things would probably be different.
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What do you mean??
I said that it's hard to learn an old dog something...
Samsung Galaxy Mini has it's own forum, and has 2 time less topics...
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I said that is hard to learn an old dog something...
Samsung Galaxy Mini has it's own forum, and has 2 times less topics...
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Jup thats true.
I think I make a poll to show to the moderator/admins to get our own subforum
Wrong threat
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This is no discussion thread! These are the XDA rules, if you want to stay here, follow them, if you dont follow them, leave. Theres nothing to discuss about.
Also, we asked for a i9001 forum multiple times, i dont get why they dont do **** about that. Its annoying as hell everything is mixed with i9000 things. I saw a guy who flashed a i9001 kernel on his 9000 because he thought the 9001 kernel are the "new ones".
For gods sake even the GS Advance has his own forum....whats the matter?
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Maybe it's a lot of work now for mods to move all threads, and because of that they don't wanna give us our own forum...
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Maybe it's a lot of work now for mods to move all threads, and because of that they don't wanna give us our own forum...
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So they can give moderator to any developer on this forum, ex. broodplank, or someone else. I think we can move threads at us own. Only baricade is ... we don't have forum...
I have an idea. It's a little annoyng but we all can report this post to mod's with reason ex. "We want to have forum for our phone, please, read that topic". But OP must insert info about that in 1st post. What do you think about that?
we need to vote for a new forum and show them the votes (just to say that we are a lot and we want it)
Guys guys guys, this.topic.of.us getting a new forum has been discussed many times in the past, all with the negative ans frm mods.
The mods may not want to start this again.
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Guys guys guys, this.topic.of.us getting a new forum has been discussed many times in the past, all with the negative ans frm mods.
The mods may not want to start this again.
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In my eyes is this bulls**. Even the lowend devices placed under legacy and low activity have their own forum. There is absolutly no reason to give our phone not an own place...
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Please stop this discussion, I doubt we get our own place so stop it...
Please go ontopic again..
mrjraider said:
In my eyes is this bulls**. Even the lowend devices placed under legacy and low activity have their own forum. There is absolutly no reason to give our phone not an own place...
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Please stop this discussion, I doubt we get our own place so stop it...
Please go ontopic again..
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And you try to tell this to the moderators.
And yes, let's get back to the topic.
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XDA Forums generally have bad organization and very bad moderation. They are here only to punish you...
I am and was mod/supermod on many Tech Forums in my country, the biggest has 300.000 members, and it's organization is 100 times better then this. I had hundreds of posts, and know how good forum work. A lot sub-forums for better member orientation, gentle and kind mods who always have advice for you how to be better, and not warnings...
That's why simple members treat them with respect and not with arogance...
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TwinHeadedEagle said:
XDA Forums generally have bad organization and very bad moderation. They are here only to punish you...
I am and was mod/supermod on many Tech Forums in my country, the biggest has 300.000 members, and it's organization is 100 times better then this. I had hundreds of posts, and know how good forum work. A lot sub-forums for better member orientation, gentle and kind mods who always have advice for you how to be better, and not warnings...
That's why simple members treat them with respect and not with arogance...
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What? Punish? Do you even know how many people have an.account here? 300.000 is maybe the point on the i here at xda.
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To be honest, I dont see a moderator here very often. I believe (and this may be wrong) that they are only moderating the populair devices:
Samsung Galaxy SII/SIII HTC One X/X+ etc.. Our device is not so populair....
But please stop this discussion, this is not going to end..