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I'm very surprised the Nexus S didn't come out with a higher resolution Super Amoled screen. Apparently, 2.3 supports higher resolution according to wikipedia. I'm just waiting for a new android phone with a higher resolution/pixel density to put the iphone 4 to shame.
Imagine, a Super Amoled screen with a 1024x768 or 1280x720 resolution would be the best mobile phone screen in the world.
When do you think we will realistically see android phones with higher resolution displays?
The current Super AMOLED screen already trades blows with the Retina Display. I'm sure there will be higher res screens at some point but whats the rush? Wouldnt a higher resolution screen be more of a burden on battery than the current screens already are anyway? I'd see resolutions that high being more relevant for tablets and PMP than phones.
Why? It will drain battery more and more, and higher resolution don't need for still small display. Just imagine, MP3 player with Desktop resolution.
Haha? Try push sensor button, wtf it's so small...
U wanna get more ability to use sensor keyboard? (sarcastic)
Well, android definitely needs to match or better the 640x960 resolution of the iPhone 4 to maintain feature parity.
The current SuperAMOLED screens are less battery consuming than old LCD and Retina, so bigger resolutions shouldn't be a battery problem.
But what's the point of having 1280x768 on a 4" screen?
I'm pretty satisfied with 480x320 on 3.2" and 800x480 on 4" looks also awesome.
The Meizu M9 have a 960x640 display, but (even if you are in china) this little boy is still difficult to find.
The next Meizu (M9ii) will have a 1280×854 or 1280×800 4" screen, and should be animated by a Tegra2 with 1Gb of RAM. They said that the release date will be on middle 2011, so maybe we will be able to grap it in the late 2011.
The two phones are running on a custom android 2.2 (the UI is very different from the classical Android).
For the battery, it's more backlight that drains power.
A higher resolution will only put a little more stress on the GPU, but if the OS is well coded, it should not consume a lot more.
DPI, its all about DPI
You can have all the DPI in the world, but all its gonna mean is LAG and Battery if we're still relying on the CPU to push pixels.
dimon222 said:
Why? It will drain battery more and more, and higher resolution don't need for still small display. Just imagine, MP3 player with Desktop resolution.
Haha? Try push sensor button, wtf it's so small...
U wanna get more ability to use sensor keyboard? (sarcastic)
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You have absolutely no comprehension of what resolution is. Look at the iphone going from 480x320 to 960x640. Did the icons get smaller? No I didn't think so. You simply put more pixels into an icon the same size. Because it seems you're under the impression that pixel count determines image size.
however, there is no need for a higher resolution because the display is that too small. better resolution would look like the same as the resolution looks on current phones.
I can see several reasons to be interested in higher screen resolution (but IMHO you will need at least a 3.5" display):
Games
ok, that's not for today, but with ports like the unreal engine on android, phones will become more like a mobile console (PSP phone, for example). A better resolution sounds like a better playing experience, but will still need more powerful hardware (and that's on the way with multi core SOC)
Video
isn't that obvious? and it's essential if you're watching videos with subtitles
Internet
I don't know for you, but on my 800x480 handset, i have to zoom out to have the full page, and zoom in, etc...
With a better screen resolution, the navigation will be easier
It's not interesting for everybody, but I think clivo360 and I are not the only guys looking for a higher resolution screen
Although 4.3" is probably the upper limit for what you'd consider "pocketable", I'd still be attracted to bigger screens and more powerful phones because there are things that can take advantage of them, such as video. Imagine 1080p screens on a phone!
At some point though, phones are probably going to suffer the same problem that PCs did - that hardware outdoes all user needs. Imagine a point where the hardware has reached such a point where for the average user, they don't need the most potent phone anymore. We're already well on the way there. It happened with PCs, where the average user needs office software such as word processing, a spreadsheet, and the Internet, but nothing that demands crazy hardware (the average user is not a high end gamer we're talking here).
A better resolution makes even more difference on an SAMOLED screen compared to an LCD/SLCD - due to the PenTile matrix configuration of pixels a 800x480 SAMOLED screen doesn't really have as many pixels as an 800x480 standard LCD.
Just take a close look at the screen of a Nexus One or Nexus S at some text and you'll see it's slightly fuzzy. See here for more info
Better resolutions aren't available yet because a) it's a relatively new technology and b) manufacturers are having a hard enough time making enough just to cover the existing devices that use them.
AFAIK, there is only one Android device with a larger screen resolution that, as long as you don't live in the good old US of A (and even there it can be done), can make calls: the Samsung Galaxy Tab. But not exactly small enough to fit in your trouser pocket (although it does slip easily into a jacket pocket).
PS: The Tab is fantastic for video (1080p MKV supported), games and general browsing (with plugins set to on-demand) plus the odd short book, although you do look very strange if you answer calls on it without a BT headset (very Trigger Happy).
Ugh, I won't flame people saying we don't need higher resolution, though I wanted to...
Here is one basic application where the higher resolution really does make a difference: Reading text .PDFs.
I tried reading PDFs on my 800 x 480 Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S) and I wish the text was a little smoother. Sure, I'd like a slightly larger screen (no more than 4.3") but if the screen was larger I'd be even more desperate for higher resolution. I'd like to see 1024 * 640 on a 4" Android.
Higher resolution does not nesc. need more battery/CPU power: it's the brightness that uses the battery most.
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I tried reading PDFs on my 800 x 480 Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S) and I wish the text was a little smoother. Sure, I'd like a slightly larger screen (no more than 4.3") but if the screen was larger I'd be even more desperate for higher resolution. I'd like to see 1024 * 640 on a 4" Android.
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Doesn't your phone's AMOLED screen use the PenTile matrix? If so, that's a huge factor. I have 2 Droid Incredibles, one AMOLED w/PenTile matrix, the other SLCD. The SLCD has MUCH smoother text despite both being the same 480x800 resolution. AMOLED w/PenTile matrix has a "screen door effect".
Anyway, Toshiba might make your dream come true, and even exceed what you'd like to see.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/toshiba-enters-pixel-density-fray-with-367ppi-lcds-for-cellphone/
its true about the screen door effect. texting the g2x is very smooth dispite the resolution being the same as the vibrant.
Not sure I could put larger than 4.3" in my pocket
Samsung galaxy S2 users love the HTC sensation so much. they even have a QHD screen mod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1113865&page=2
untill one user pointed out it doesnt change the resolution but just the density therefore making it worse. lol. who'd have thought. sgs2 tryna get QHD.
so do iphone 4 users
Gave my phone to guy at work (proper apple bummer)
and first thing he said was - wow that screen is gorgeous!
had other with similar things,
I'd love to see a true super amoled plus qhd screen. But Samsung seems to be against it. Even their upcoming 4.5" Hercules is 800x480.
I don't think a qHD super amoled plus screen is possible at this time. When Samsung announced the super amoled plus screen it was stated that the drawback to getting rid of the pentile subpixel layout and moving the a true rgb subpixel was that it required more space. This is why the new displays are all 4.3" or larger with 800 x 480. At least it is a true resolution now, unlike the pentile matrix displays.
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Here it is, official as official gets: Samsung just announced the Galaxy Tab 7.7. As the name suggests, it has a 7.7-inch (1280 x 800) display -- specifically, a Super AMOLED Plus panel. Like so many other 7-inchers hitting the market, it runs Android 3.2 and yes, that's a skinned flavor of Honeycomb, with Samsung's tablet-optimized TouchWiz UX layered on top. Inside, it runs the same Samsung-made dual-core 1.4GHz processor found in the new Galaxy Note, along with an HSPA+ radio promising theoretical download speeds as high as 21Mbps. Other specs for the 0.74-pound (335-gram) tablet include 16GB to 64GB of internal storage, a microSD card slot, a 5,100mAh battery rated for 10 hours, 802.11n WiFi, GPS, Bluetooth 3.0 and dual 3MP and 2MP cameras. In a nutshell, it's the in-between-sized do-over a lot of folks have been awaiting since the original Galaxy Tab grew stale -- a slate that promises faster speeds and some seriously improved viewing angles. We'll be the judge of that in our review, but in the meantime stay tuned for some early hands-on impressions.
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That looks pretty sweet and I'm glad its running the Exynos dual core chip.
Only thing that would hold me back from getting it, is whether it would receive ICS.
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That looks pretty sweet and I'm glad its running the Exynos dual core chip.
Only thing that would hold me back from getting it, is whether it would receive ICS.
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It probably would.
Anyone would like to take a guess at the pricing ?
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It probably would.
Anyone would like to take a guess at the pricing ?
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hopefully in line with their other tabs
Looks like a cool device, but I don't understand why the screen resolution is so low. I'm not criticizing it, I just genuinely don't understand and I'm hoping somebody can explain.
We'll be looking at 4.5 inch smartphones with 1280x720 HD screens in the coming months, so shouldn't a 7.7 inch tablet have a much higher resolution? Is it to do with manufacturing limitations?
holdz said:
That looks pretty sweet and I'm glad its running the Exynos dual core chip.
Only thing that would hold me back from getting it, is whether it would receive ICS.
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same thing
Niksko said:
Looks like a cool device, but I don't understand why the screen resolution is so low. I'm not criticizing it, I just genuinely don't understand and I'm hoping somebody can explain.
We'll be looking at 4.5 inch smartphones with 1280x720 HD screens in the coming months, so shouldn't a 7.7 inch tablet have a much higher resolution? Is it to do with manufacturing limitations?
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Its SAMOLED Plus. I'd rather have that than some stupidly high resolution.
My guess is the cost of screen production with that high of a resolution would bring the cost up more this hampering the chance of being competitive price wise. Just a guess though.
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Niksko said:
Looks like a cool device, but I don't understand why the screen resolution is so low. I'm not criticizing it, I just genuinely don't understand and I'm hoping somebody can explain.
We'll be looking at 4.5 inch smartphones with 1280x720 HD screens in the coming months, so shouldn't a 7.7 inch tablet have a much higher resolution? Is it to do with manufacturing limitations?
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my 15.4" laptop has a 1280x800 resolution.
people overthink the resolution thing IMO. I just ignore it and look at the screen.
I just look at it in person and ask myself: does the screen look good? if it does, I couldn't care less what it says on paper. it's a marketing gimmick.
Niksko said:
Looks like a cool device, but I don't understand why the screen resolution is so low. I'm not criticizing it, I just genuinely don't understand and I'm hoping somebody can explain.
We'll be looking at 4.5 inch smartphones with 1280x720 HD screens in the coming months, so shouldn't a 7.7 inch tablet have a much higher resolution? Is it to do with manufacturing limitations?
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Mass production. Samsung has already revved up the production of 7.7" SAmoled+ displays and we will be seeing the same panel (if enough units are available) in more products. Same thing as why we were stuck at WVGA displays for so long, costs came down after fabs started scaling production.
IMO next gen panels will be:
4.3" WXGA
4.5" WXGA
5.3" WXGA
7.7" WXGA
10.1" WXGA
Samsung probably is working already for the production of UXGA or WUXGA displays for tablets, but that should take a couple of years until it hits retail.
pmcqueen said:
if it does, I couldn't care less what it says on paper. it's a marketing gimmick.
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Seeing much more information on the same size is hardly gimmick.
narta said:
Mass production. Samsung has already revved up the production of 7.7" SAmoled+ displays and we will be seeing the same panel (if enough units are available) in more products. Same thing as why we were stuck at WVGA displays for so long, costs came down after fabs started scaling production.
IMO next gen panels will be:
4.3" WXGA
4.5" WXGA
5.3" WXGA
7.7" WXGA
10.1" WXGA
Samsung probably is working already for the production of UXGA or WUXGA displays for tablets, but that should take a couple of years until it hits retail.
Seeing much more information on the same size is hardly gimmick.
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Knowing the downside of amoled screen and the fact that Samsung already has a great screen in place of larger tablet displays (PLS), does it even make sense for them to make a 10.1 screen in amoled tech? Can you imagine the power usage in web browsing etc?
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Seeing much more information on the same size is hardly gimmick.
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Except that you don't need a higher resolution for that. A Nokia N95 shows more on the screen than the Nokia N80, despite the latter having a quite a bit higher resolution display. I'm using this comparison because both of these Nokias have a very similar OS (SymbianS60v3).
Then, my almost ten year old laptop with a 14.1'' display shows a lot more in 1024x768 than these small tablets do, and especially than phones do. And like pmcqueen, I too have a 15.4'' 1280x800 laptop. So yes, high resolution is a gimmick. Up to a certain point it does help. Beyond that, you're limited by the physical size of the screen, not it's resolution.
Gusar321 said:
Except that you don't need a higher resolution for that. A Nokia N95 shows more on the screen than the Nokia N80, despite the latter having a quite a bit higher resolution display. I'm using this comparison because both of these Nokias have a very similar OS (SymbianS60v3).
Then, my almost ten year old laptop with a 14.1'' display shows a lot more in 1024x768 than these small tablets do, and especially than phones do. And like pmcqueen, I too have a 15.4'' 1280x800 laptop. So yes, high resolution is a gimmick. Up to a certain point it does help. Beyond that, you're limited by the physical size of the screen, not it's resolution.
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Sorry bit this makes no sense whatsoever...
You say that if I have a webpage that is 1280 pixels in height, your WVGA screen will show the whole page as an WXGA screen? How is that possible? Bigger maybe, the entire page, not gonna happen.
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Sorry bit this makes no sense whatsoever...
You say that if I have a webpage that is 1280 pixels in height, your WVGA screen will show the whole page as an WXGA screen? How is that possible? Bigger maybe, the entire page, not gonna happen.
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Webpages don't have fixed sizes, they're dynamic. There are those that aren't, but that just means they're badly coded. And how much of a webpage you'll be able to clearly see is a function of screen size, not it's resolution. Every mobile browser will manipulate webpages, there's no other way to display them on the small screens, no matter their resolution.
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And how much of a webpage you'll be able to clearly see is a function of screen size, not it's resolution. ...there's no other way to display them on the small screens, no matter their resolution.
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that is the correct answer.
really, what you're paying for on screens this small with super duper ridiculously high resolutions is clarity (ie lack of pixelation)... of course, the human eye cannot distinguish the difference between anything above a 300ppi (iPhone4 territory) screen. personally, I can't see the difference between the Retina display, with its 330ppi, and my MT4GS WVGA display, with its 250ppi unless I am literally holding the phones right up to my face (I have an iP4 btw, so I have actually done this).
so a phone, like what the manufacturers have in the pipeline, with a 4.5" (or whatever) screen and an HD (ie >= 1280x720) resolution? pointless. it's all marketing. you're not going to see webpages any clearer or larger than on your current device (if it's already 'high resolution' by today's standards), you're not going to fit more icons on your homescreen, it's all a marketing ploy to trick the mostly-ignorant masses into thinking they've bought a superior product.
okay, that's a bit harsh... I guess technically it is superior in the sense that the screen has a higher ppi, which means the pixels are physically smaller, which requires more advanced manufacturing techniques... but it has absolutely no application in actual usage of the phone aside from being able to make fun of your nerd friends for having a less pixel-packed screen. if that's what gets you a nut, by all means, go for it.
personally, I'm for a more sensible approach and I'd rather have more important features on my next devices in place of aesthetic gimmicks that don't at all improve my experience in any way, shape or form.
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Like to Get One, up grade on my 2 P1000, Wait and see when it comes out,
looking at 5.3" price
It's not as if Samsung doesn't know how to make good screens and at $500 it's not as if they are giving away a $200 loss leader tablet to sell content. So why? The screen resolution is the ONLY thing that keeps the Note 10.1 from being the greatest tablet of all time and severely hurting iPad 3 sales.
Everyone will have their opinion on this but I'll give you mine.
Reason 1 - speed.
Reason 2 - the s-pen.
It is clear that the Note 10.1 has been designed as a tool and not a toy. It is a productivity device. As such, speed and functionality trumps eye-candy. Based upon what I have been reading about the ASUS Infinity, the HD screen seems to cause performance issues.
There is also the issue of the s-pen. This is pure conjecture on my part but it seems intuitive that writing on an HD screen will require more processing power than writing on a 1280 x 800 screen. There are more pixels to change. I believe that Samsung looked at it and asked themselves, what is the lowest resolution we can do (thereby improving s-pen function) but still deliver an acceptable image?
** It could be that Samsung just cheaped out but I don't think so. If they gave us a super HD screen but the s-pen lagged it would have been game over. I think it came down to a question of what the user would be most willing to sacrifice. Since the Note is a productivity device, that would be eye-candy. Speed, above and beyond all else was key.
Just my 2 cents. What do you think?
I've read that it's the max resolution supported by the Wacom digitizer.
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I've read that it's the max resolution supported by the Wacom digitizer.
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From what i read its the maximum resolution supported by the exynos chip. With the new exynos chip which i soooo hoped for to be inside this tablet, the max resolution would be i think double.
I only have one concern before buying this tablet:
what if...the tablet which should be around 11.6 inch coming from sammy (probably the next few months) will also be a note instead of a "standard" galaxy tab..? That would be a huge blow for all note 10.1 buyers :/
Probably has to do with the digitizer pen technology. Even Wacom doesn't offer the comparable Cintiq (minus multi-touch except for top of line 24HD) with a resolution higher than 1280x800 until you go from the $1000 12" to the $2000 22" model.
http://www.wacom.com/en/Products/Cintiq/Compare Models.aspx
I don't believe it has to do with the digitizer. There are tablets that use the same one and have higher resolution.
I think it's for speed and possibly limitations on the cpu. Samsung wanted this tablet to fly. Increasing the resolution would be a problem for that. I think next year we will get a high res Note.
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I think Samsung did a great job with this 720P HD display. Its something about it that's different from my previous prime or my nexus 7. The colors are richer/more detailed. The prime and nexus 7 has exact same resolution also. Im more than satisfied with this display. Everything looks crisp to me.
Well I don't have my note 10.1 (arrives later today) but my dads tf300 has the same resolution and my brother has a new Asus nexus 7. I compared the both as the nexus has a higher dpi and personally I can hardly see any difference! So does it really matter that much?
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From what i read its the maximum resolution supported by the exynos chip. With the new exynos chip which i soooo hoped for to be inside this tablet, the max resolution would be i think double.
I only have one concern before buying this tablet:
what if...the tablet which should be around 11.6 inch coming from sammy (probably the next few months) will also be a note instead of a "standard" galaxy tab..? That would be a huge blow for all note 10.1 buyers :/
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This is what I've heard as well, although I couldn't find anything from Samsung about it. But it seems the most likely (while it's possible that Exynos 4 does support higher resolution outputs, it might not be fluid enough for use with the S Pen as lag is definitely more noticeable with a stylus than a fingertip).
Cranking up the resolution requires cranking up the GPU horsepower, which means more battery consumption.
Look at the iPad - they needed to make the battery around 50% bigger in order to offset the significantly increased power consumption. This means a heavier device, and MUCH longer recharge times.
The iPad's resolution is a waste of pixels. There's flaunting spec epeen, and there is proper systems engineering - Samsung did proper systems engineering here.
Before getting my Note 10.1 I got myself an Asus Infinity Pad (which was promptly returned due to the screen coming OUT of the case). The screen WAS magnificent, However, there was so much power going to the screen than the entire OS was lagged out pretty badly. Even after their OTA updates, it was pretty bad. Battery drain was horrible unless I put it into the "power saving" mode and at that point the screen on my Galaxy Tab and Note 10.1 was beautiful compared to it.
I agree with the OP. Speed and the S-pen are the primary causes. Honestly, I don't need an ungodly powerful screen. I use this for work and for play and it does extremely well on both. I am often amazed at how quickly pages load, or the fact that I don't have to buffer pages, books or other things as long as other tablets take. I will take power over beauty any day of the week...
Also as a geek moment for myself "Power is beauty and I've got the power" - Flea (From Chrono Trigger).
HI,
As a Korean who is waiting for galaxy s5, I am recently reading about Korean articles that notifies me with latest rumors about Samsung's next upcoming phone and figured out that Galaxy s5 will be likely to roll out with a 2560x1440 556ppi display. I personally think this is a meaningless over spec since there are no advantages to it... Here are why
1. 5xxppi displays won't be sharper and won't display more contents than current 4xxppi (FHD) displays.
I have seen both Optimus G and G2 which sport around 320ppi and 420ppi displays respectively. Unlike the specs suggested I did not feel G2 was sharper than optimus G since 320ppi is so dense already (Jobs's retina propaganda is right I guess...).
Also one of the main benefits of using a higher resolution display is that higher res displays can display more stuff on a single screen. However, I found G2 does not display 33% more stuff than optimus G does even though it should. g2 probably can do it but doing so will make texts extremely small. 5 in. displays have limit due to its small size and raising resolutions do not make it to display more contents. This tells that even every pixels of FHD displays cannot be used effectively, meaning same thing will happen to 2560x1440 displays with even more wasted pixels.
2. Higher resolution displays drains more battery
If there is no advantage in doing so, why would waste battery in vain?
3. 2560x1440 resolution = pentile display
It is quite obvious. Making high PPI displays with AMOLED is extremely hard since putting pixels together is a difficult task. As you guys all know, pentile has been a gimmick Samsung has been using for a long time to produce displays with higher PPI without actually putting pixels only 66% dense as the PPI on the spec sheet. It seems like Samsung thinks this gimmick is something acceptable since average customers do not even know what the pentile means. If Samsung goes for 2560x1440 resolution, they will make it pentile for sure. I have seen people saying pentile does not matter since the Galaxy s3 since the pixels are dense and no one can tell the difference. I do agree to some extent but color distortion is quite apparent in pentile displays... Especially white which requires all RGBs to be turned on.
If Samsung can produce pentile 2560x1440display, they can probably produce RGB FHD display with S-Stripe. I think the RGB FHD display will make more sense.
Thank you for reading this long writing.
Please share what you guys think about Samsung trying to use 2560x1440 display on GS5
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