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[Q] Higher Resolution Android Phones

I'm very surprised the Nexus S didn't come out with a higher resolution Super Amoled screen. Apparently, 2.3 supports higher resolution according to wikipedia. I'm just waiting for a new android phone with a higher resolution/pixel density to put the iphone 4 to shame.
Imagine, a Super Amoled screen with a 1024x768 or 1280x720 resolution would be the best mobile phone screen in the world.
When do you think we will realistically see android phones with higher resolution displays?

The current Super AMOLED screen already trades blows with the Retina Display. I'm sure there will be higher res screens at some point but whats the rush? Wouldnt a higher resolution screen be more of a burden on battery than the current screens already are anyway? I'd see resolutions that high being more relevant for tablets and PMP than phones.

Why? It will drain battery more and more, and higher resolution don't need for still small display. Just imagine, MP3 player with Desktop resolution.
Haha? Try push sensor button, wtf it's so small...
U wanna get more ability to use sensor keyboard? (sarcastic)

Well, android definitely needs to match or better the 640x960 resolution of the iPhone 4 to maintain feature parity.

The current SuperAMOLED screens are less battery consuming than old LCD and Retina, so bigger resolutions shouldn't be a battery problem.
But what's the point of having 1280x768 on a 4" screen?
I'm pretty satisfied with 480x320 on 3.2" and 800x480 on 4" looks also awesome.

The Meizu M9 have a 960x640 display, but (even if you are in china) this little boy is still difficult to find.
The next Meizu (M9ii) will have a 1280×854 or 1280×800 4" screen, and should be animated by a Tegra2 with 1Gb of RAM. They said that the release date will be on middle 2011, so maybe we will be able to grap it in the late 2011.
The two phones are running on a custom android 2.2 (the UI is very different from the classical Android).
For the battery, it's more backlight that drains power.
A higher resolution will only put a little more stress on the GPU, but if the OS is well coded, it should not consume a lot more.

DPI, its all about DPI

You can have all the DPI in the world, but all its gonna mean is LAG and Battery if we're still relying on the CPU to push pixels.

dimon222 said:
Why? It will drain battery more and more, and higher resolution don't need for still small display. Just imagine, MP3 player with Desktop resolution.
Haha? Try push sensor button, wtf it's so small...
U wanna get more ability to use sensor keyboard? (sarcastic)
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You have absolutely no comprehension of what resolution is. Look at the iphone going from 480x320 to 960x640. Did the icons get smaller? No I didn't think so. You simply put more pixels into an icon the same size. Because it seems you're under the impression that pixel count determines image size.

however, there is no need for a higher resolution because the display is that too small. better resolution would look like the same as the resolution looks on current phones.

I can see several reasons to be interested in higher screen resolution (but IMHO you will need at least a 3.5" display):
Games
ok, that's not for today, but with ports like the unreal engine on android, phones will become more like a mobile console (PSP phone, for example). A better resolution sounds like a better playing experience, but will still need more powerful hardware (and that's on the way with multi core SOC)
Video
isn't that obvious? and it's essential if you're watching videos with subtitles
Internet
I don't know for you, but on my 800x480 handset, i have to zoom out to have the full page, and zoom in, etc...
With a better screen resolution, the navigation will be easier
It's not interesting for everybody, but I think clivo360 and I are not the only guys looking for a higher resolution screen

Although 4.3" is probably the upper limit for what you'd consider "pocketable", I'd still be attracted to bigger screens and more powerful phones because there are things that can take advantage of them, such as video. Imagine 1080p screens on a phone!
At some point though, phones are probably going to suffer the same problem that PCs did - that hardware outdoes all user needs. Imagine a point where the hardware has reached such a point where for the average user, they don't need the most potent phone anymore. We're already well on the way there. It happened with PCs, where the average user needs office software such as word processing, a spreadsheet, and the Internet, but nothing that demands crazy hardware (the average user is not a high end gamer we're talking here).

A better resolution makes even more difference on an SAMOLED screen compared to an LCD/SLCD - due to the PenTile matrix configuration of pixels a 800x480 SAMOLED screen doesn't really have as many pixels as an 800x480 standard LCD.
Just take a close look at the screen of a Nexus One or Nexus S at some text and you'll see it's slightly fuzzy. See here for more info
Better resolutions aren't available yet because a) it's a relatively new technology and b) manufacturers are having a hard enough time making enough just to cover the existing devices that use them.
AFAIK, there is only one Android device with a larger screen resolution that, as long as you don't live in the good old US of A (and even there it can be done), can make calls: the Samsung Galaxy Tab. But not exactly small enough to fit in your trouser pocket (although it does slip easily into a jacket pocket).
PS: The Tab is fantastic for video (1080p MKV supported), games and general browsing (with plugins set to on-demand) plus the odd short book, although you do look very strange if you answer calls on it without a BT headset (very Trigger Happy).

Ugh, I won't flame people saying we don't need higher resolution, though I wanted to...
Here is one basic application where the higher resolution really does make a difference: Reading text .PDFs.
I tried reading PDFs on my 800 x 480 Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S) and I wish the text was a little smoother. Sure, I'd like a slightly larger screen (no more than 4.3") but if the screen was larger I'd be even more desperate for higher resolution. I'd like to see 1024 * 640 on a 4" Android.
Higher resolution does not nesc. need more battery/CPU power: it's the brightness that uses the battery most.

critofur said:
I tried reading PDFs on my 800 x 480 Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S) and I wish the text was a little smoother. Sure, I'd like a slightly larger screen (no more than 4.3") but if the screen was larger I'd be even more desperate for higher resolution. I'd like to see 1024 * 640 on a 4" Android.
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Doesn't your phone's AMOLED screen use the PenTile matrix? If so, that's a huge factor. I have 2 Droid Incredibles, one AMOLED w/PenTile matrix, the other SLCD. The SLCD has MUCH smoother text despite both being the same 480x800 resolution. AMOLED w/PenTile matrix has a "screen door effect".
Anyway, Toshiba might make your dream come true, and even exceed what you'd like to see.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/toshiba-enters-pixel-density-fray-with-367ppi-lcds-for-cellphone/

its true about the screen door effect. texting the g2x is very smooth dispite the resolution being the same as the vibrant.

Not sure I could put larger than 4.3" in my pocket

Malta w/ IPS

Looks like the Malta is coming out w/ a IPS Tegra2 tablet.
http://armdevices.net/2011/02/15/malata-releases-new-tegra2-tablets/

Looks like that has the screen we've all been looking for. hope it will fit in my gtablet.

It's not a Tegra 2 - it's Cortex based, problem similar to what SmartQ is coming out with.
That IPS screen is 4:3, not 16:9 - it's the same as my R10 and will not fit into our GTAB.

jasco13 said:
Looks like that has the screen we've all been looking for. hope it will fit in my gtablet.
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Would be nice if that screen can work with our g tablets... Does seem it uses the same dock.
The info sheet says:
- dual cortex A9 processor 1 ghz (though not Tegra 2)
- 1GB DDR2 (very nice)
- Front 1.3 MP camera & Rear 5 MP camera (also nice)
- GPS (nice, but already have external GPS)
- 10" 1280x800 screen with wide viewing angles. (Very nice)
Roebeet you sure, that screen dosen't look 4:3 to me. I think you looking at the one they show at the end (iPadish one).

I think the IPS one is that last one (about 6:20). That's the 4:3 device - I don't think the other two are IPS. But I could be wrong.
I noticed one of them has light-up buttons - that's pretty sweet. Also, that IPS screen is a dual Cortex (Tegra, I assume?).

roebeet said:
It's not a Tegra 2 - it's Cortex based, problem similar to what SmartQ is coming out with.
That IPS screen is 4:3, not 16:9 - it's the same as my R10 and will not fit into our GTAB.
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Beet you may want to double check, looks like 16:9 to me. The spoke at begining that they were using a better screen. I sure hope this will fit our tablets. I got my friend to convert over, he loves this forum, thanks for your help!

ncaggie1989 said:
Beet you may want to double check, looks like 16:9 to me. The spoke at begining that they were using a better screen. I sure hope this will fit our tablets. I got my friend to convert over, he loves this forum, thanks for your help!
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The first two are 16:9 and might fit the GTAB - whether or not the angles are better remains to be seen (it does look look that way however, going on the video).
I get the impression that the LCD's must have been the biggest complaint with their first gen devices, since viewing angles and screen quality are being addressed this year. That's great!

roebeet said:
The first two are 16:9 and might fit the GTAB - whether or not the angles are better remains to be seen (it does look look that way however, going on the video).
I get the impression that the LCD's must have been the biggest complaint with their first gen devices, since viewing angles and screen quality are being addressed this year. That's great!
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The first device was the current g tablet, from what I could gather. The second has the new improved screen, he mentioned it had a better screen than the third device (iPad look-a-like). I don't know if it IPS or what, but it look like a much nicer screen.

RojasTKD said:
The first device was the current g tablet, from what I could gather. The second has the new improved screen, he mention it a better screen than the third device (iPad look-a-like). I don't know if it IPS or what, but it look like a much nicer screen.
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I second that. Even when he moved the tablets around you could still see what was on the screen! IPS or not, I will take that any day over the crap we have

thanks for the info, hope that some retailers will just sell the screen.. I guess that buying a new screen is still cheaper than buying a new terga 2 tablet like A10. I was thinking about pre-order the A10. Now, I can wait a little bit longer.. Save a few hundred bucks for the google IO conference...
The new model has a very similar specs to Xoom (all kinds of sensors, camera, etc), just wondering how much will it cost? 600+?

Did anyone else notice that he said the new tablet has 10 point multi-touch? That is cool, but I don't see needing more than 4 or 6.

jasco13 said:
Did anyone else notice that he said the new tablet has 10 point multi-touch? That is cool, but I don't see needing more than 4 or 6.
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It probably doesn't cost much more to put in 10 points then it does 4 points so its nice to have for bragging rights I guess.

10 points may be useful in the future. there are some rumors that apple is going to use more different gesture to control more screen actions such as turn on/off device, etc. (read it from Engagdet).. How's about playing a real panio program, or guitar.. it would be nice to have more touch points at the same time.. right? just a thought..

What's the big deal with super amoled phones?

Having owned a galaxy s, I prefer the SLCD of the newer HTC phones coming out. They are just so much more clear/crisp and the colors look how they are supposed to look.
I've always thought of super amoled screens as HDTV's on display in a store with the brightness and contrast cranked up, and SLCD screens as HDTV's that have been properly calibrated.
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'd take SLCD anyday over super amoled. Anyone else feel the same?

brian85 said:
Having owned a galaxy s, I prefer the SLCD of the newer HTC phones coming out. They are just so much more clear/crisp and the colors look how they are supposed to look.
I've always thought of super amoled screens as HDTV's on display in a store with the brightness and contrast cranked up, and SLCD screens as HDTV's that have been properly calibrated.
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'd take SLCD anyday over super amoled. Anyone else feel the same?
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You aren't the only one. I've played with a Samsung Focus extensively at work, and I honestly don't like it that much. Yes, the blacks are amazing, because they're actually really truly black. It's a really dramatic difference on the black-heavy WP7 interface.
Every AMOLED screen I've used has this pixelated look to it that just kills me. They do not look smooth.
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I think it's just a personal preference thing. Some people like the wow factor of the super saturated colors on AMOLED. Some like how smooth a normal LCD looks.

Blacks look great, I'll give it that, but as soon as I started using an SLCD display, I completely forgot about deep blacks. Overall I just feel that SLCD screens are better.

I prefer Super Amoled to SLCD, but I prefer qHD SLCD to a WVGA Super Amoled. Not sure about Super Amoled Plus though.

Super AMOLED Plus = Super AMOLED - all the bad bits.
Bad bits of Super AMOLED:
Oversaturated? You can adjust the color hue from dynamic (color pops out), standard (erm, standard- looks similar to my Sensation) and movie (dull).
Pixelation? The standard (Real-Stripe) RGB layout on the Plus screen replaces the previous PenTile layout (RGBG). It makes the pixels look like any other normal LCD screen's.
Only gripe is the low-ish resolution now.
The Engadget review explains it quite well:
Engadget said:
The Galaxy S II's screen is nothing short of spectacular. Blacks are impenetrable, colors pop out at you, and viewing angles are supreme. This would usually be the part where we'd point out that qHD (960 x 540) resolution is fast becoming the norm among top-tier smartphones and that the GSII's 800 x 480 is therefore a bit behind the curve, but frankly, we don't care. With a screen as beautiful as this, such things pale into insignificance. And we use that verb advisedly -- whereas the majority of LCDs quickly lose their luster when you tilt them away from center, color saturation and vibrancy on the Galaxy S II remain undiminished. It is only at extreme angles that you'll notice some discoloration, but that's only if you're looking for it and takes nothing away from the awe-inspiring experience of simply using this device.
Whether you're pushing it to its limits with movie watching or just tamely browsing the web, the Super AMOLED Plus panel inside the Galaxy S II never fails to remind you that it's simply better than almost everything else that's out there. For an instructive example of the contrast on offer here, take a look at our recent post regarding the LG Optimus Big's upcoming launch in Korea. The pattern on that handset's white back was so subtle on our desktop monitor that we completely missed it, whereas when we looked at the same image on the GSII, it looked clear as day. Maybe that doesn't speak too highly of the monitors we're working with, but it underlines the supremacy of the display Samsung has squeezed into the Galaxy S II.
We'd even go so far as to say it's better than the iPhone 4's screen, purely because, at 4.3 inches, it gives us so much more room to work with. It's almost impossible to split the two up in terms of quality of output, they're both top notch. Notably, however, that was also true of Samsung's original Super AMOLED display, the one that graced the 4-inch Galaxy S, and by now you must be wondering if there's actually anything significant enough in the new S-AMOLED technology to justify appending that "Plus" to its name. The short answer is yes, and it's all in the pixels.
The one major downside to the original Super AMOLED panel was to be found in its PenTile matrix subpixel arrangement. It employed an RGBG pattern, wherein you got two green subpixels for every pair of red and blue ones, but the overall resolution was counted on the basis of green subpixels. Ergo, a PenTile 800 x 480 resolution wasn't as rich at the subpixel level as your standard RGB screen (768,000 versus 1,152,000), which resulted in slightly grainier images than would otherwise have been the case. Well, that "otherwise" scenario is now with us, because Samsung has switched to a Real-Stripe RGB array in the 4.3-inch Galaxy S II, which means it packs the full 1.152 megasubpixel count and, as we've already noted, the display looks delectable for it. A lesser criticism of the original Galaxy S was that its colors were a little blown out and oversaturated, but that's once again rendered moot on the successor device -- a software setting called Background effect allows you to tweak saturation, so if you're feeling a little melancholy, you can tone down the intensity of your handset's colors to match your ennui. Basically, if we haven't made it clear already, this is everything that Super AMOLED was, minus the bad parts and plus an extra .3 inches in real estate. A triumph.
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Disclaimer: I own both the GSII and the Sensation. Yes, I'd take a SLCD over SAMOLED (PenTile really bugs me), but SAMOLED+ over the SLCD on the Sensation any day. The higher resolution is really nice though.
And something for all the cynics who undoubtedly think I'm just a sammy fanboy who doesn't actually have a sensation:
http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z451/yamanote/Image0050.jpg
Maybe I'll prefer the Sensation when I can load custom ROMs onto it, who knows?

i think most of us have read the reviews and specs. When I compared them side by side I had to choose the Sensation though. Which is not to say the Sensation's screen is better, just much more to my liking.
IMHO the S2's screen is an acquired taste. Delicious if you like it, but essential you try before you buy.

The good thing about SAMOLED is it's very very bright when outside. Go outside in bright sunlight and look at your Sensation's screen. That's right...it's very difficult to see anything.
But SAMOLED also draw backs, especially screen burn in. Personally, if there was a qHD SAMOLED screen, I'd take it, but there isn't, and having used qHD, I don't think I could ever go back

No problem seeing the Sensation screen in direct sunlight. The other thing about samoled screens to remember is that they ABSOLUTELY KILL batteries! I've had a Samsung Vibrant for almost a year now and have NEVER had the brightness above 50%. It's usually all to way down so i can get a days battery charger out of it.

Agree. <( ' ' <)
Arcadia310 said:
I prefer Super Amoled to SLCD, but I prefer qHD SLCD to a WVGA Super Amoled. Not sure about Super Amoled Plus though.
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I agree. Currently have the Sensation, what kept me getting that over the Galaxy SII is the resolution of the screen. Absolutely amazing and definitely worth it!

I have both and the extra resolution is nice but the gs2 screen is nicer specially with the better viewing angles, its when you put 2 together you notice how much better it looks.

Samsung sold 10MM Galaxy S phones last year making it the top selling phone behind iPhone. 10MM people think the screen's pretty cool - flaws and all. HTC started to use SAMOLED (Desire, Incredible) but Samsung backed out of the deal. HTC must of thought it was pretty cool too because it's a lot more expensive than LCD.
Pick what works for you.

Just wait for Sammy to produce the qHd Super amoleds, then redue the comparison. So far some widgets and apps don't fit correctly with the qHd screens yet. But I like the higher res instead.
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Because its Super AMOLED
I got two HTC Desire, one the original AMOLED and the other one the LCD.
And if my normal AMOLED is anything to go by, I do understand why people would want something like Super AMOLED in there phone.
The vibrancy and the black level just blows you mind away.

So yeah.
It's just a matter of preference. Some people like having LED/LCD tv's in their living rooms, and others like myself prefer the deeper blacks, crazy viewing angles, and amazing colors that plasma's provide. It's the same with AMOLED vs LCD. Amoled's do tend to oversaturate colors but it isn't a bad thing.
What seems to turn off most people from Samsungs implementation, is the colors that are used in touchwiz. It makes the experience seem a little circus-like. But once you root it and get rid of touchwiz, it becomes an amazing experience. Believe me, if you owned one you'd understand. You'd learn to love how blacks are pure black, instead of a washed out gray. You'd love that the icons pop out at you. I'm getting the Sensation because i'm with t-mo and I have a nasty obsession with new gadgets, and the Hercules can't get here fast enough.

I personally like the color definition of the AMOLED screens. Comparing my Nexus One to my Sesation I believe that the Nexus offers better color definition and graphics seem to look crisper as well.
The Sensation does seem to offer a brighter screen and ofcourse who can complain against a 4.3 inch screen.

Paging Dr B said:
It's just a matter of preference. Some people like having LED/LCD tv's in their living rooms, and others like myself prefer the deeper blacks, crazy viewing angles, and amazing colors that plasma's provide. It's the same with AMOLED vs LCD. Amoled's do tend to oversaturate colors but it isn't a bad thing.
What seems to turn off most people from Samsungs implementation, is the colors that are used in touchwiz. It makes the experience seem a little circus-like. But once you root it and get rid of touchwiz, it becomes an amazing experience. Believe me, if you owned one you'd understand. You'd learn to love how blacks are pure black, instead of a washed out gray. You'd love that the icons pop out at you. I'm getting the Sensation because i'm with t-mo and I have a nasty obsession with new gadgets, and the Hercules can't get here fast enough.
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I owned a super amoled phone for a year...

EEK! There's a monster coming straight for us... and its called the Optimus G Pro

Engadget: LG Optimus G Pro coming to AT&T on May 10th
Not only does it have a removable battery and SD card slot (same as the Galaxy S4)... but it also has:
- IPS LCD display for better sunlight visibility than AMOLED
- 32 gb of internal memory standard for the lowest model
- A programmable "q button" that allows you to map any function you want to have happen when you press it
And of course all the basics of a high end superphone nowadays
- 5.5 inch 1080p display
- 3140 mAh battery
- Snapdragon 600
- 13 mp camera
- IR Blaster
- 2gb RAM
- LTE
Here's a video I found from ATT :
#%&! ... I'm not sure which one to order now

ap3604 said:
Engadget: LG Optimus G Pro coming to AT&T on May 10th
Not only does it have a removable battery and SD card slot (same as the Galaxy S4)... but it also has:
- IPS LCD display for better sunlight visibility than AMOLED
- 32 gb of internal memory standard for the lowest model
- 5.5 inch 1080p display
- 3140 mAh battery
- 13 mp camera
#%&! ... I'm not sure which one to order now
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Techradar did a feature on it and found it to be a bit of a tacky version of the note.
Concerning IPS, I much prefer amoled now that it's avialable with more accurate colours. Before, IPS had the advantage but now the colour accuracy on the galaxies (e.g.movie mode) is good enough. Combine that with the beautifully inky blacks, and I never want another IPS display again. (except the one on my macbook

Except the rip off design and the lack of Spen on that big screen, anything on Optimus G Pro is great.
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Edit: Oh, I forgot about the horrible update from LG

Personally, I won't go anywhere near LG devices unless it's Nexus to be honest. And it's a competitor to Note II (or rather Note III) than S4.

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And it's a competitor to Note II (or rather Note III) than S4.
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I personally don't care what someone says its a competitor for.
With those specs it's simply a competitor for best phone of early 2013, which is what I care about.

ap3604 said:
I personally don't care what someone says its a competitor for.
With those specs it's simply a competitor for best phone of early 2013, which is what I care about.
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Jesus Christ it's a 5.5'' phone, hence it's a competitor for the "phablet" (hate the term, but whatever) category rather than ordinary smartphone. Hence my comment.

tuxonhtc said:
Jesus Christ it's a 5.5'' phone, hence it's a competitor for the "phablet" (hate the term, but whatever) category rather than ordinary smartphone. Hence my comment.
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Jesus Christ all flagship phone screens are starting to be at least 5+ inches anyways, hence every smartphone is turning into a "phablet" (I hate the term too). So no, it simply is competing with all the other giants of 2013... including the Galaxy S 4.

ap3604 said:
Jesus Christ all flagship phone screens are starting to be at least 5+ inches anyways, hence every smartphone is turning into a "phablet" (I hate the term too). So no, it simply is competing with all the other giants of 2013... including the Galaxy S 4.
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Not really. they have 5.5'' screen and the flagships are </=5 inch. Big difference. The target audiences are different. Anywho, whatever.

LG is mostly known to be great regarding its swift updating policy

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LG is mostly known to be great regarding its swift updating policy
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I see what you did there...
As for the android version, it comes with 4.1.2 and while I'm sure both Samsung and LG are going to make it a point to try and update handsets to the latest android versions... I really don't care as that's the whole reason I come on xda anyways (so I don't have to rely on the manufacturer for updates)

i'll be sticking with the s4.
thinner, lighter, still an enourmous battery. dont need all that size in the screen.. although the LCD would be an upgrade if u ask me. AMOLED is nice, but i prefer the brightness for sun viewing.

Don't get neurotic about having the absolute "best" phone, ferchrissakes. Guess what? That bling new piece of latest and greatest shiny you just plunked down your cash for? It's always going to be second best in a few months. Use your device and enjoy it, and maybe learn to not give a rat's ass if it isn't the absolute newest on your block.

burhanistan said:
Don't get neurotic about having the absolute "best" phone, ferchrissakes. Guess what? That bling new piece of latest and greatest shiny you just plunked down your cash for? It's always going to be second best in a few months. Use your device and enjoy it, and maybe learn to not give a rat's ass if it isn't the absolute newest on your block.
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Agreed.
I'd actually go one further and say the tell-tale sign that you're 'with' the right device is that you're NOT that desperate to upgrade as soon as something new comes out. During my iphone-phase I was always excited when the new model came out - I know now it was partly due to the marketing and partly because I was never completely happy with them.
Even when better phones than the gs3 were coming out I was happy sticking with it until an upgrade that REALLY appealed to me came along (s4).

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... although the LCD would be an upgrade if u ask me. AMOLED is nice, but i prefer the brightness for sun viewing.
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I have a preference for LCD over AMOLED as well (although both can be great). The outdoor visibility is a big deal for me so I'm not sure which one to get
Also the 32 gb of internal memory on the standard lowest $199 w/ 2-yr contract model isn't too shabby
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Don't get neurotic about having the absolute "best" phone, ferchrissakes. Guess what? That bling new piece of latest and greatest shiny you just plunked down your cash for? It's always going to be second best in a few months. Use your device and enjoy it, and maybe learn to not give a rat's ass if it isn't the absolute newest on your block.
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I have an upgrade coming up so of course I'm going to chose the best phone for me at the time.
1) Removable battery
2) Outdoor screen visibility
Those are the top 2 features I'm looking for in my next phone and I'm not sure which phone to go with yet (LG Optimus Pro or Galaxy S4).

tuxonhtc said:
Not really. they have 5.5'' screen and the flagships are </=5 inch. Big difference. The target audiences are different. Anywho, whatever.
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I agree. It's so cool that Samsung was able to push the max screen size to 5" in basically the same package as the SIII. But the jump to a 5.5" screen is a big overall package jump. To me, that's just no longer a phone, but falls firmly in the phablet market.
Not putting down the phone, or what features are important to individual buyers. But it's not in the same place in the market as an S3/S4, HTC One is, IMO.

The Optimus G Pro is competition for the Note series, not the S series.

ap3604 said:
I have an upgrade coming up so of course I'm going to chose the best phone for me at the time.
1) Removable battery
2) Outdoor screen visibility
Those are the top 2 features I'm looking for in my next phone and I'm not sure which phone to go with yet (LG Optimus Pro or Galaxy S4).
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What makes you think that Optimus G Pro has better outdoor visibility? S4 has great outdoor visibility from what I gather. And even Note II scores better than G Pro when it comes to outdoor visibility. Although Note II isn't bad when it comes to outdoor visibility, S4 kicks Note II up the butt and is just marginally worse than the One. Brightness is not the only thing that's a decisive factor in outdoor visibility.
Here's the outdoor visibility chart:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-914p3.php

ap3604 said:
Jesus Christ all flagship phone screens are starting to be at least 5+ inches anyways, hence every smartphone is turning into a "phablet" (I hate the term too). So no, it simply is competing with all the other giants of 2013... including the Galaxy S 4.
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competing by the specs yes
by the sales heck no
by the updates ultimate no

fade2green514 said:
i'll be sticking with the s4.
thinner, lighter, still an enourmous battery. dont need all that size in the screen.. although the LCD would be an upgrade if u ask me. AMOLED is nice, but i prefer the brightness for sun viewing.
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Again, brightness is ONE of the factors that helps in outdoor visibility. AMOLEDs have higher contrast ratios, so despite much lower brightness, it can still have good sunlight visibility. Not HTC One good obviously, but still good.
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Again, brightness is ONE of the factors that helps in outdoor visibility. AMOLEDs have higher contrast ratios, so despite much lower brightness, it can still have good sunlight visibility. Not HTC One good obviously, but still good.
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well this is good news, i'll have to take a look at it when i get it. DAMN SUN! lol
oh and +1 thanks!

Acube Talk 7X (Quad Core) Hands-on - A Nice Voice-calling Tablet

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In spite of all the scorn poured out on tablets with voice-calling support, they are the rage in China, with all tablet manufacturers trying to grab a slice of the market. The domestic voice-calling tablet segment is growing with a number of launches from both Chinese and international manufacturers such as Samsung, Lenovo, ASUS.
On the lower end of this market segment, one of the latest voice-calling tablets is the Acube Talk 7X (Quad Core). The Talk 7X (Quad Core) is the refreshed version of the original Talk 7 and Talk 7X, which were respectively released in October and December, 2013. Much like the original Fonepad, the new Talk 7X (Quad Core) comes with a MediaTek processor, supports voice-calling and in addition, it comes with upgraded specifications. But, can it do enough to unseat some very high profile competition? We take a look.
Key Features:
◇7 inch PLS display at WSVGA resolution (1024X600 pixels)
◇Weighs 320g, 191.2*106.5*9.9mm in size.
◇MediaTek MT8382 SoC., 1.2GHZ Qual-core Cortex-A7 processor, Mali-400MP2 GPU, 1GB RAM
◇Android 4.2.2 Jelly Bean
◇8GB of built-in-storage, expandable by TF card
◇VGA front-facing camera; 2.0MP rear-facing camera
◇Stereo speaker
◇GPS
◇Bluetooth V4.0
◇GSM/WCDMA, full phone functionalities.
◇FM Radio
◇USB on the go
◇MicroSD card slot
◇Standard 3.5mm audio jack
◇1080p video playback
◇3000mAh Li-Po rechargeable battery, 5-6 hours battery life
Design and Build​
The Talk 7X’s front houses a 7-inch display surrounded by a black bezel. The front panel does not include any branding, which I would consider a good tradition by the Chinese maker. Thanks to the Jelly Bean's onscreen navigation keys, which mean the front of the device is devoid of physical buttons, leaving simply the black bezel with an earpiece, a VGA camera, a light sensor and a proximity sensor.
On the right side of the device are the rather excellent buttons, with the one piece volume rocker sited just below the power button. They have a very responsive feel and are easy to find with your fingertips. The buttons are colored white to match the finish of the rear side, blending in nicely.
Unusually, the Talk 7X has its micro-USB port located on the top of the device next to the standard 3.5mm headphone jack. While it's uncommon to find the USB port on the top of a tablet of this size, it is ergonomically sound as the Talk 7X is simple to use while charging.
The positioning of this port also helps reduce the costs of manufacturing the tablet, as the circuit board has the connection for the port at the top. Acube has avoided running a cable to the bottom of the tablet as it had to on the original Talk 7.
The 2MP rear camera is housed in the upper left corner of the white glossy plastic back, which gives the tablet a somewhat cheap feeling.
Actually, this upper part of the back is removable, underneath are the dual SIM slot and Micro SD card slot.
You could also find an aperture in the lower middle, along with some of the information Acube wants you to see.
Measuring at 191.2*106.5*9.9mm, it is smaller than most of the 7-inch voice calling tablet. The only smaller 7-incher with phone functionalities I can think of is the Huawei MediaPad X1, which, of course, is many times more expensive than the 7X.
Holding the Talk 7X with one hand between thumb and forefingers is a comfortable grip that can be maintained for some time, no doubt due to its relative lightness and weight balance.
Display and Sound
Unlike many other budget tablets, The Talk 7X hasn't skimped on the screen. It has the same PLS display used on the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 7.0, comfortably beating the TN displays featured by the Lenovo A1000 and Ainol AX2, which it is in direct competition against.
The 7-inch PLS display the Acube Talk 7X (Quad Core) sports has a resolution of 1024*600 (PPI=169), obviously not quite as good as the best in the business, but it's a step up on the previous Talk 7, which only has a TN display.
Being a PLS LCD screen, it has fantastic viewing angles, even better than most of the IPS panels widely used on Chinese tablets. It does suffer from a little more glare than I would like and the color balance seems a little favored towards a yellowish tint, but these are minor complaints.
Some users will probably find it uncomfortable to be able to discern individual pixels on the display at a typical viewing distance, as most of smartphone displays we look at every day have already gone beyond the so-called retina standard. However, this 7-inch screen still has a much higher pixel density than most of the laptops and PC monitors, thus it should not be much of a problem for tight-budgeted users.
Interface and Software
The Talk 7X runs the Android 4.2.2 OS, along with a healthy amount of customizations on top of it, but nothing to break the head-to-toe Android feel.
The Google Play store works brilliantly on the Talk 7X, with easy access to all the popular apps and games you could want. However there remains a dearth of tablet apps, a space where Google has struggled to engage developers, especially when you compare it to the wealth of high-quality apps made for the iPad.
Seven-inch tablets suffer much less though, as many phone apps still work brilliantly at this smaller tablet screen size.
Benchmarks​
The Talk 7X is powered by a quad-core 1.3GHz MediaTek MT6582 processor (Quad-core cortex-A7, Mali-400MP2) with 1GB RAM, which is a huge leap forward compared to its dual core predecessors.
General system performance is reliable and relatively speedy, the Antutu Benchmark test returned a decent 16010, matching the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 and besting the ASUS Transformer Prime.
The 5636 Quadrant test result was also surprisingly solid.
The notching in Geekbench2 test was sound, but not very promising.
In the more graphic-focused Nenamark2 and 3D Mark tests, the 7X also did very well.
The browser performance was also proven to be super-solid, the Vellamo test returned an astonishing 1903, putting this $80 device in the same league as the mighty Galaxy S4. And this promise is further proven by the notch in the CF-bench test.
Performance
The way the Acube Talk 7X performs in real world also transcends its budget offering and low price. It's obviously nowhere near the top of the league and sometimes does feel like a machine from the past, but it handily beats many of the pricier cellular tablets such as the Lenovo A3000 and Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 7.0. The 1.3GHz quad-core processor churns through tasks at a fair pace and it's certainly not unpleasant to use.
The animations when swiping between home screens and loading apps show some jitter at times, but there are no real delays. Apps load fast enough, but the difference in performance between the Talk 7X and my LG Optimus G Pro (Snapdragon 600) is noticeable.
Most games play well once loaded as the graphics processing capability of the 7X is actually very good, and with the screen resolution a notch down from that full 1080P, there are no issues.
Playing 1080P videos on the desktop YouTube page is smooth, and the touchscreen remained responsive to any sort of operations.
Multi-tasking works as well as you would expect given the 1GB of RAM on board. Switching apps is fast and painless, but there is a low limit on the number of big apps that can remain in memory. This isn't a reason to run a task killer, since Android manages its memory very efficiently.
The only time this lack of RAM can be an issue is if you have many tabs open in a web browser. Switching to a browser tab that's not in memory will cause the page to reload. Ultimately though, the memory is sufficient for pleasant enough operation.
Connectivity​
The Chinese manufacturer has been promoting the Talk 7X tablet as a complete device, which has both phone and tablet qualities. Thankfully, the voice-calling feature on the 7X lives up to the expectation. The call quality on the 7X was impressive and the tablet was able to latch on to cellular networks even in weak signal areas which came in handy at times. There's also Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 4.0, FM Radio and GPS on board. The Talk 7X comes in a single 8GB model, but the storage is expandable with Micro SD card of up to 32GB.
Camera
I am not a big fan of the idea of taking pictures with a tablet, to put it mildly, but if a manufacturer is going to include a camera it had better be decent. The Acube Talk 7X’s camera…. is not.
What we're talking about here is a 2MP camera with no flash assistance. Don't even think about grabbing those Instagram-friendly macro shots here. You'll be sorely disappointed, as the backgrounds tend to come out clear leaving the foreground a blurry mess.
That extends to general shots. Images end up washed out, noisy and lacking in vibrancy and color accuracy.
The front-facing camera can get the online video chatting done, but you would never use it for selfie.
Battery​
Despite having a fairly small 3000mAh battery capacity, Acube has managed to endow the Talk 7X with decent endurance by using a fairly efficient chipset. In constant use, the tablet is easily capable of 5-6 hours' screen time, which is considered pretty good at the budget end of the market.
The system did very well in standby, idle drain is negligible even with wireless connected.
Thanks to its standard micro USB port, charging the tablet is easy: it accepts any standard cable and is fast to charge for a tablet (With its standard 5V-2A plug it only took about 2 hours to finish a full charge).
Verdict
There's obviously nothing outstandingly good about the Talk 7X, but neither is there anything outstandingly bad. This is a budget tablet that actually exceeds my expectations in many ways. It's keenly priced and very capable.
The good:
For a device in this market segment, the Talk 7X has a PLS LCD screen, with nice color saturation, contrast, brightness and viewing angle, although the 1024 x 600 resolution seems like it's from a bygone era before 720p became the entry-level resolution for phones.
Audio through the built-in speakers is loud and reasonably clear, making this a great tablet for watching videos and listening to music.
Dual-SIM support is pretty useful for people who need two different mobile phone numbers.
At RMB499 ($80), it is affordable both as a phone and a tablet, and its performance is much better than the price would suggest.
The bad:
The rear-facing camera is a pretty poor effort from Acube and there's no real value in including it at this price at all.
The glossy plastic shell gives the tablet a cheap kind of feel, and has low resistance to scratches.
A 7-inch budget tablet that also wants to be a phone sounds like a silly idea. But the Acube Talk 7X is, in use, entirely sensible. It is stonkingly good value if a low-cost portable tablet is what you’re after.

seems no one else has anything to share about this model.
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jupiter2012 said:
seems no one else has anything to share about this model.
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good news for some is that this model is now RMB399, which is around $65, quite a bargain.

where is it available for that price $65.00

Nice review- thank you!
who i the best tablet brand in china?(4 quaity).

Wow!!
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Xperia-Ray said:
Nice review- thank you!
who i the best tablet brand in china?(4 quaity).
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Thanks and to answer the question, Acube and Ainol probably have the best quality.
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I got in touch with Cube's support staff and they told me that their factory are testing Android 4.4.2 and that it should be released in a couple of days.
I've ordered this tablet, for slightly less than $110 it seems like great value for money. Hopefully I won't be disappointed once I receive it.
I do think Cube could have skipped the rear camera and increased the battery capacity a little instead. (Though I suppose it makes sense to have a rear camera if you use it as your main phone/tablet/phablet, I will mostly use the tablet for movies and games)

acube
very nice review .
i also have this tablet for like a week now and i am very surprised to see that it manages almost every task with such ease.
the only thing in don't like about this tablet is the display unfortunately, ythe colors are not saturated, ther red is quite pinkish blue and green don't have too much power.
i am thinking of calibrating the colors but i don't seem to find an app to do this.
what do you guys think i should do?
thanks in advance
best regards,

gbb14 said:
very nice review .
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I think you're used to the very oversaturated samsung colours.
I bought this thing 3 weeks ago as an experiment to get my family onto skype.
Conclusion:
This is a supercheap-supertablet,
I compared it next to an Ipad-air(with a comic), and the colours almost match 100% (in my eyes)
viewing angles are excellent, and performance also (compared to price)
We also have a Galaxy Tab2 7", and this little cheap thing (that even can make calls!) outperforms it roughly.
Wow, after 4 years of membership.....finaly, my first post!

boerke said:
I think you're used to the very oversaturated samsung colours.
I bought this thing 3 weeks ago as an experiment to get my family onto skype.
Conclusion:
This is a supercheap-supertablet,
I compared it next to an Ipad-air(with a comic), and the colours almost match 100% (in my eyes)
viewing angles are excellent, and performance also (compared to price)
We also have a Galaxy Tab2 7", and this little cheap thing (that even can make calls!) outperforms it roughly.
Wow, after 4 years of membership.....finaly, my first post!
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Glad u like it as much as i did.
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Help me
Hello, please help. I have a problem with the tablet, the firmware damage and no place I managed to find one that works. Please help me by putting on a rom or something so you can use it, please it would really appreciate it.:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:

Babydan said:
Hello, please help. I have a problem with the tablet, the firmware damage and no place I managed to find one that works. Please help me by putting on a rom or something so you can use it, please it would really appreciate it.:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:
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Had Same problem go to needrom.com down load ROM and brusch tools easy instructions
Will solve your problems.
Rick

Its a nice
I need as much info as possible. Iḿ running stock 4.4.2 and the model number is U51GT-C4BD and I really really would want to get it rooted. None of the common methods i tried work. I am a beginner to supesuser with ubuntu + cli. Could i possibly find a su binary and drop it under system? Also, the main reason is to remove bloath and some tweaking.... By the way its a great tablet for such a low price...

No reset button
jupiter2012 said:
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Acube x7 is a great device but unfortunately when it jamms or bricks one can't reset device ,No reset button:crying:

gdcolin said:
Acube x7 is a great device but unfortunately when it jamms or bricks one can't reset device ,No reset button:crying:
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press nd hold the power button for more than 8 seconds.
来自我的 HTC D820t 上的 Tapatalk

jupiter2012 said:
press nd hold the power button for more than 8 seconds.
来自我的 HTC D820t 上的 Tapatalk
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Useless, i have two of those devices i tried to hold the power button for more than 8 seconds but nothing happened no power on
Not even when you put on charge! Dead devices

Ever saw two models of Cube Talk 7X U51GT W and Cube Talk 7X U51GT-C4 on cube-tablet.com, which model does the above you mentioned belong to? Any differences between these two models? I'm interested to buy Cube Talk 7X online, but before that i need to make a confirmation.

The home and return bar do not work in upright mode they work fine side ways and upside down
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the return and home buttons are only blocked in upright position with the loadspeker at the top

The only good way for this problem seems be to flash with a convenable rom...