personally, i happen to like the stock ui of this phone, so i didnt want to flash a custom rom or anything like that. i kept searching for different ways to improve performance and limit bugginess, and here is what i have come up with. first, root is a must for this phone. so is cwm recovery. the first thing i did was boot into cwm recovery and run fix permissions. this stopped the constant rebooting, but i was still experiencing the vibrating and force closing problem. i began deleting bloatware apps that i wasnt using. i installed an app called total commander for android, which has many different wonderful functions, one of which is mounting any partition as r/w. when you are done modifying a partition, you can also mount it back to r/o. so i removed most of tmobiles and samsungs bloatware apps, such as device carbon, zipwhip, telenav, group texting, qwik video chat, twitter, myspace, swype, and maybe a few i cant remember. each time i deleted system apps, i went back to cwm and fixed permissions again. now so there is no confusion, i didnt fix permissions after deleting every single app. say i would delete five or six apps, when i was done deleting them all, i would fix permissions. the reason for this is that i found that after deleting system apps, the system would still have permssions stored for those apps, and i believe this caused system errors similar to registry errors in windows. so, after deleting most unneccessary system apps, i saw more improvements, but there was still a bit of buginess. i was looking for something on google one day when i ran across a forum for the samsung vibrant where a member had issues with the same buzzing and force closing i had experienced. it was a buzz, a pause, then buzz-buzz-buzz. another member revealed that there were three main causes of this issue, which were androids native gmail client, wifi, and the stock android browser. i dont use wifi, but i got rid of the android browser and gmail client. i installed a third party email client from the market called maildroid, and use opera mobile as my default browser. i havent had any more problems except with two apps. one is slacker radio which is embedded in the media room app. it froze my phone every time i tried to load it. not a big loss, since i dont use it. just cant delete it without deleting media room and i use media room as my music player. but it still works fine as long as i dont open slacker. the other one is media hub. also froze my phone every time i opened it. not a big loss there either since i download most of my music from free sites. i deleted it. the only time i have force closes is when in settings i accidentally hit drivesmart, and thats because i deleted the drivesmart app. so im on stock ui and no crashes, freezes, lags or force closes. been about a week since my last unexplained crash. this might not work for everyone, but it might be a start.
If any of this does help anyone out there who wants to stay on the stock rom, feel free to reply or hit the thanks button
This does help me, but I think I'll wait for the back to basics rom, see how that goes.
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oh yeah i gut all Samsung and t-mobile aps from my phone, but i use custom roms as well. I havn-t had a force-close in over a week and the last one i had was with the stock browser.
ive uninstalled
gallary
browser
tmobile carbon
and all unused aps drivesmart ect.
I havent had a problem with gallery. I use it to view my pictures. the gallery on this phone is quite nice compared to my last phone.
yeah mine kept freezing, not sure why so i said enough is enough and i dont really use it too much
Good info, but can I make a request?
It is harder than you know what to read!
PLEASE edit the OP to have paragraphs!
Android's gallery is a joke. Download Quickpic.
I suggest PowerAmp over the stock music player.
Another source of issues is the TouchWiz launcher. Nix it.
That just leaves Google Maps. Unfortunately, there are no good alternatives...
I personally havent had any problems with any other apps. i like the stock apps that i actually use, such as gallery, the stock music player, google maps, and TouchWiz. A lot of people bash the TW launcher, but i really dont think its the problem. i dont have any problems with it at all. i have tried other launchers, but i end up ditching them because they are larger than the stock launcher and use more RAM. i avoid using 3rd party apps over stock apps unless absolutely necessary, as in the case of gmail and android browser. getting rid of those apps stopped the buzzing and force closing for me. the reason i avoid using 3rd party apps over stock apps is because they take up space and sometimes use more ram. the TW launcher is actually quite small compared to other launchers, being only a few kb in size where other launchers are on average 2 to 5 mb. the most recent launcher i tried was WP7 launcher, which imitates the windows 7 ui. i liked it, but google navigation froze in that launcher. back to stock launcher, and navigation worked fine again. i know that i personally dont have any problems with TW launcher, gallery, or the stock music player, and i like all of them.
Meh.
The gallery takes forever and depends on the media scanner. Quickpic starts up faster shuts completely down when it's finished.
As for memory, 3rd party launchers play very nice with the system and let go of their resources when the OS asks them to. Can't say the same thing for TouchWiz.
You'll also want to run Voodoo sound and the PowerVR plug in from Chainfire.
Of course, you're free to do any slow thing you want with your device. It just won't perform as well as it could.
you are completely free to have your own opinions. but in my experience, im not having problems with the stock apps. in fact, i reinstalled the stock browser and gmail and still no problems. my phone works fine for the way i use it. you may use your phone in different ways or for different things than i do, so 3rd party solutions may be necessary for you. im not having any problems with my phone, so they arent necessary for me. you keep saying oh you'll want to do this or you'll want to do that. maybe you need all these 3rd party apps because you dont know how to manage your stock apps. almost every time i am finished doing anything with my phone, i go to task manager, exit all apps, and hit clear memory. every couple of days, i clear my app cache. i use optimize android toolbox for that. i dont even reboot my phone on a daily basis, and still, no problems. no lags, freezes, force closes, crashes, or random reboots. not a single one. i would say thats top performance in my book. now, enough said.
i feel like you two are going at it, you both have your own opinions, i side with the stock apps being poorly written and potentially causing issues. Im using gallary again because i like how it pulls pics from online, but for the browser i use opera mini just because i like the layout better (no hate towards the stock one)
I remove every apk that is not needed for what i do with my phone, including blutooth and some others that ive discovered do not inhibit the functioning of the device. This is all because im just a huge nerd with OCD and like to play around with things and have them running as clutter free as possible. Remember guys this is why we all use android, so we have the freedom to customize the device to our own needs.
i just want to say one more thing. when i started this thread, the information in my OP wasnt intended to be a guide for getting this phone to peak performance or to make it the fastest or best that it could be. it was intended as a starting place for those who simply want to get their phone running PROPERLY with the stock rom/ui. PROPERLY means without any glitches, force closes, freezes, lags, crashes or random reboots. there is a big difference between PROPERLY and BEST. for instance, take a car that comes out of the factory and has some problems. you can correct the problems and get it running PROPERLY, or you can supe it up and get it running the BEST/FASTEST. some people are happy with something just working properly, while others want the best/fastest. so for anyone who wants info on getting this phone running the best/fastest, feel free to start your own thread. this thread is for info on getting this phone WORKING PROPERLY. THANK YOU.
Yeah ok. I just think discussion ia a great forum for innovation. If everyone just stayed on topic all the time no new ideals would ever have a medium to incubate in. I'm sorry if we've irritated you, it definitely wasn't my intention. Were all on the same team here.
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orange808 said:
Meh.
The gallery takes forever and depends on the media scanner. Quickpic starts up faster shuts completely down when it's finished.
As for memory, 3rd party launchers play very nice with the system and let go of their resources when the OS asks them to. Can't say the same thing for TouchWiz.
You'll also want to run Voodoo sound and the PowerVR plug in from Chainfire.
Of course, you're free to do any slow thing you want with your device. It just won't perform as well as it could.
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thats the only thing that irritated me. i repeatedly stated that certain stock apps were working fine for me. this guy repeatedly told me to replace the apps that i said were working fine for me. if you dont like those apps, fine. do whatever you want with your phone. dont keep insisting that i copy you. and the comment about doing any slow thing you want is what really irked me. i feel like that makes it sound like im an idiot for not doing what he tells me to do. i took it as disrespectful. i got no beef with anything or anyone else here.
if any of the apps that this guy insisted i replace were actually causing problems, i think i would still be having problems. especially touchwiz, which everyone thinks is so terrible, which isnt causing me any problems at all.
i think it only causes issues with memory, it doesnt manage it well. But i think you aid you close apps manually so it wouldnt be as bad.
Manually closing programs doesn't allow the garbage collector to do its job. Over time, small amounts of memory tied to hanging handles will add up and you will encounter issues.
Once again, it's your device. If you are happy, do what you like.
sidekick_fanatic said:
i just want to say one more thing. when i started this thread, the information in my OP wasnt intended to be a guide for getting this phone to peak performance or to make it the fastest or best that it could be. it was intended as a starting place for those who simply want to get their phone running PROPERLY with the stock rom/ui. PROPERLY means without any glitches, force closes, freezes, lags, crashes or random reboots. there is a big difference between PROPERLY and BEST. for instance, take a car that comes out of the factory and has some problems. you can correct the problems and get it running PROPERLY, or you can supe it up and get it running the BEST/FASTEST. some people are happy with something just working properly, while others want the best/fastest. so for anyone who wants info on getting this phone running the best/fastest, feel free to start your own thread. this thread is for info on getting this phone WORKING PROPERLY. THANK YOU.
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so how does the performance compare to custom roms like gingerclone or glorious overdose? (I ask since I am considering buying a sidekick, and want to know how much tweaking i'll need to do)
okay orange808, if you want to continue insisting you're right, then fine, you're right. now drop it. as far as which custom rom is the best, i cant answer since i havent flashed a rom.
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Hello,
I'm considering purchasing One X but after reading so many posts about multitasking issues I have serious doubts. I can not really check this since it takes time to see the issue but how if I don't use Sense (use alternative launcher like GoLauncher, will I still have this issue or Sense is bigger then just laucher itself.
artisticcheese said:
Hello,
I'm considering purchasing One X but after reading so many posts about multitasking issues I have serious doubts. I can not really check this since it takes time to see the issue but how if I don't use Sense (use alternative launcher like GoLauncher, will I still have this issue or Sense is bigger then just laucher itself.
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Sense is bigger than the launcher. Sense affects a lot of the core phone's features can can't be removed with just a launcher. In this particular case, Sense affects memory management, as well as the actual multitasking app itself.
Let's put it this way. If you're playing a game like say... Radiant Defense (awesome game, btw) that takes a while to complete a level and you get a text message... switching to the messaging app will actually cause the game to close. Now you can use the "multitasking" app to go back to the game, but the game will reload. It will not leave off where you left it.
If that sounds like something that would bother you a lot... I'd avoid the phone. HTC has even said that this is a core Sense 4 FEATURE, not a defect. So they won't be fixing it.
Personally don't think this really warrants a new thread, you probably should have just asked in the ongoing discussion on this.
Haven't tried an alternate launcher yet, so I can't comment on that. But as to the basic question of "how bad" the issue is, I think it depends greatly on how you use your phone, and what you expect from it. Obviously, HTC expects most people to be okay with it, or they wouldn't have tweaked it this way. Only had the phone for a few days, but so far the memory management doesn't seem much different from how the HTC Flyer does it, and I've been fine with that (having owned it since June 2011).
Like posted above, Sense is more than just a launcher. The multi-task changes are likely deep in the kernel.
To me, it is not a big deal. I don't like anything running in the background anyway. And for that matter, the number 1 app in the past a typical Android user uses is Auto Task killer which serves the exact same purpose as the new Sense 4.0. I suspect a lot of those Auto Tasker kill users now also the ones who complain about HTC's feature.
Either way, the biggest problem is with Android itself. There isn't any uniform way to inform OS that an app requires to remain running in background (unless you created a service) can be kept that way. And there is no way for an app that doesn't do anything in the background to be suspended without using any system resources. For later, both iOS and WP7 have much better implementation.
For many years now, I use Google Listen as my podcast player everyday. It works in most times while in the background but a lot of occasions, this app will be closed by OS while I'm listening to the podcast. This behavior is the same on couple different Android phones (samsung and now HTC One X). So, if google's own app can't even stay alive in background in various Android phones, it speaks volume that multi-tasking is a over-hyped feature. What HTC did is not necessary bad to everyone. For example, my Samsung phones (SGS, SGS2 and GTab 10.1) doesn't auto kill bakcground tasks (still kills my GListen) but they all lags badly from time to time.
For what it worth, I can use Google Listen in the background while running Google Nav app in the fore ground for a few hours without problem (other than occasionally Listen get closed for no reason).
I have had mine for 2 weeks and only knew about a "problem" from reading these threads.
In all in how you use it. First reply answered it best
ricktat said:
I have had mine for 2 weeks and only knew about a "problem" from reading these threads.
In all in how you use it. First reply answered it best
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Agreed. The only app I use for streaming in the background is subsonic, which functions just fine.
Also I have the very very slight annoyance that games have to completely reload if you exit them and don't switch back very very quickly. So if I get a phone call and go right back to game it's fine, but if I go web browse or something else and go back the game has to reload. This is mitigated somewhat by the raw speed of the phone, as game loading doesn't take very long (unless the game is a ****ty port like PvZ).
To avoid confusion, lets just keep this conversation with the ongoing one here. Thanks.
Thread closed.
I am creating this topic because I think we could use a thread dedicated to see what is safe to remove and what is not.
Right now it won't have much, but I plan to provide good info. please post what you have been able to remove and even what Bootloops phone or just causes problems.
ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP BEFORE TRYING THIS! BOTH NANDROID AND TITANIUM BACKUP
Ways to Remove Unnecessary Apps
One way and my personal favorite is to use Titanium Backup. It can uninstall these apps but can also back them up.
Another way is to use a file manager that can access /system/app. this is one of the harder ways since it can get difficult to know what is what because it just gives package names. ex. com.mobitv.client.tmobiletvhd.apk is the T-Mobile TV app
Safe to remove NOTE: This is how they appear in Titanium Backup. Always make a backup both TiB and Nandroid before starting
Buddies now 1.0
Custimize homescreen 1.o
Email 1.0 (this is the widget not the android email app)
Game Base
Gmail
Google Play Books
Highlight
Home screen tips
Lookout
Media Hub
More for Me
News & Weather
Ocean Weather
Polaris Office
Pro Apps
Slacker Radio
Social Hub (app)
Social Hub (widget)
TeleNav GPS
TwLauncher (only if you have a replacement launcher. Ex. Adw, go, Zeam, ...)
...
Unsafe to remove. Do not remove!
mediaprovider
...
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If you do remove something you shouldnt
If you can boot, then just restore the app you removed in titanium backup.
If you bootloop you got two options
1. Restore Nandroid backup in CWM (good thing I did a Nandroid backup, right?)
2. No Nandroid Backup, its not guarantied but you might be able to use this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1591601 . A factory reset/data wipe may be needed in stock recovery
I will try to see if I can post backup files in case some one does remove something they shouldn't.
mediaprovider.APK and .Odex: http://db.tt/EQquH1Zi
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I'll say it here again, "bloatware" is a misnomer of a term. Your phone will not work faster removing these applications. Personally I removed them because I didn't want to ever see the notification for them having an update in the store. Also, having them installed, but not running, has *zero* impact on your battery.
I point this out because if you're ever unsure about whether you should remove uninstall something, don't.
These are the apps I have personally chosen to uninstall or freeze, and my phone has worked flawlessly for several weeks:
Zinio
Yelp
Visual Voicemail (may be desirable to many, but if you use google voice it's not)
Telenav GPS (yes, your google maps gps will work just fine without it)
T-mobile Video Chat
T-mobile Name ID
T-mobile Mail
Slacker
Netflix
More for Me
MobileLife Family
Media Hub
Lookout Security (the app didn't even work for me so I found it useless)
Linear
Pro Apps
Kies air
Highlight
Game Base
Bonus Apps
411 & More
Personally, I always selected "make a backup" with TitaniumBackup Pro before removing an app, and if TBP ever gave the warning message about that app not being deodexed, I instead chose to freeze it.
Cirkustanz said:
I'll say it here again, "bloatware" is a misnomer of a term. Your phone will not work faster removing these applications. Personally I removed them because I didn't want to ever see the notification for them having an update in the store. Also, having them installed, but not running, has *zero* impact on your battery.
I point this out because if you're ever unsure about whether you should remove uninstall something, don't.
These are the apps I have personally chosen to uninstall or freeze, and my phone has worked flawlessly for several weeks:
Personally, I always selected "make a backup" with TitaniumBackup Pro before removing an app, and if TBP ever gave the warning message about that app not being deodexed, I instead chose to freeze it.
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True, it won't affect your phone much to remove these apps, but some of these still run in the background. I personally do this because I feel my phone runs a bit better and I just don't want them on my phone. I'm doing it for those who want to remove stuff but don't know what can be.
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You think those apps, "run in the background?" The majority of those apps, and probably more, don't even load up at all, much less "in the background" unless the user of the phone INSTRUCTS THEM TO.
And you put twlauncher in the "safe to remove" category? If ADW, LauncherPro, or whatever else a person is using crashes or gets corrupted, good luck!
This thread just shouldn't exist, the information has already been posted, in the thread where the instructions to even allow it to be done in the first place.
Cirkustanz said:
You think those apps, "run in the background?" The majority of those apps, and probably more, don't even load up at all, much less "in the background" unless the user of the phone INSTRUCTS THEM TO.
And you put twlauncher in the "safe to remove" category? If ADW, LauncherPro, or whatever else a person is using crashes or gets corrupted, good luck!
This thread just shouldn't exist, the information has already been posted, in the thread where the instructions to even allow it to be done in the first place.
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Look, on my phone, lookout mobile along with Telenav and a few others still loaded on the memory. What I'm trying to do is something helpful for the blaze community.
If you have something against me, don't post it here. Pm me or bring it up with a moderator. If you want to post something help, please do so. ( I appreciate the fact that you reminded me to include a warning about touch wiz launcher). This is an open community where we try to help each other, not argue.
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I removed touchwiz first. I use rootuninstaller to remove what I don't want.
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Cirkustanz said:
I'll say it here again, "bloatware" is a misnomer of a term. Your phone will not work faster removing these applications. Personally I removed them because I didn't want to ever see the notification for them having an update in the store. Also, having them installed, but not running, has *zero* impact on your battery.
I point this out because if you're ever unsure about whether you should remove uninstall something, don't.
These are the apps I have personally chosen to uninstall or freeze, and my phone has worked flawlessly for several weeks:
Zinio
Yelp
Visual Voicemail (may be desirable to many, but if you use google voice it's not)
Telenav GPS (yes, your google maps gps will work just fine without it)
T-mobile Video Chat
T-mobile Name ID
T-mobile Mail
Slacker
Netflix
More for Me
MobileLife Family
Media Hub
Lookout Security (the app didn't even work for me so I found it useless)
Linear
Pro Apps
Kies air
Highlight
Game Base
Bonus Apps
411 & More
Personally, I always selected "make a backup" with TitaniumBackup Pro before removing an app, and if TBP ever gave the warning message about that app not being deodexed, I instead chose to freeze it.
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Your comment is completely untrue - Android is an operating system; just like any other - Windows, Linux, iOS, etc...
By removing applications that run in the backround and take critical memory (RAM) you instantly make your phone run faster...many of these applications run in the backround and the only way to stop them is to:
* Freeze them
* Uninstall them
THUS - removing applications that aren't vital to a user; and are taking system resources away; instantly speeds your phone up...not only do you free ram but you also take away applications which are using processor power...
...your comment couldn't be further from the truth and has no form of logic to it...sorry to bust your bubble.
...and don't get your panties in a wad and upset because someone has called you out and clearly disagrees with your flawed train of thought over the matter
SOOO removing applications that are junk, that you don't want...bloatware, etc - WILL speed up your phone...
Although one program can be considered bloatware to one user, and vital to another - I prefer the term "junkware" - just like Windows (Microsoft); the companies get kick backs for installing software...(T-Mobile)
michaelstigers said:
Your comment is completely untrue - Android is an operating system; just like any other - Windows, Linux, iOS, etc...
By removing applications that run in the backround and take critical memory (RAM) you instantly make your phone run faster...many of these applications run in the backround and the only way to stop them is to:
* Freeze them
* Uninstall them
THUS - removing applications that aren't vital to a user; and are taking system resources away; instantly speeds your phone up...not only do you free ram but you also take away applications which are using processor power...
...your comment couldn't be further from the truth and has no form of logic to it...sorry to bust your bubble.
...and don't get your panties in a wad and upset because someone has called you out and clearly disagrees with your flawed train of thought over the matter
SOOO removing applications that are junk, that you don't want...bloatware, etc - WILL speed up your phone...
Although one program can be considered bloatware to one user, and vital to another - I prefer the term "junkware" - just like Windows (Microsoft); the companies get kick backs for installing software...(T-Mobile)
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Samsung has actually optimized CPU and RAM quite well. Most of the "bloatware" does not take CPU or RAM, and some due. Removing them does not make a noticible difference on this phone, although on some past Samsung models it did.
And not to get off topic, but you can frame 'corrections' in a appropriate tone and not accuse him/her of being void of logic. Which wasn't even true.
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Bulletblitz27 said:
Samsung has actually optimized CPU and RAM quite well. Most of the "bloatware" does not take CPU or RAM, and some due. Removing them does not make a noticible difference on this phone, although on some past Samsung models it did.
And not to get off topic, but you can frame 'corrections' in a appropriate tone and not accuse him/her of being void of logic. Which wasn't even true.
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...if it quacks like a duck; and looks like a duck; and has logic like a duck - well, then it should swim in a pond, not be wrong; and give me no reason to correct it...
And you clarified my point even further - "most"...thanks
My posting was simply made so people were not under the WRONG assumption that taking a few minutes to get junkware off their O/S wouldn't make a difference. It will actually save a good amount of system resources; and give a much more rich experience that Google intended...
michaelstigers said:
...if it quacks like a duck; and looks like a duck; and has logic like a duck - well, then it should swim in a pond, not be wrong; and give me no reason to correct it...
And you clarified my point even further - "most"...thanks
My posting was simply made so people were not under the WRONG assumption that taking a few minutes to get junkware off their O/S wouldn't make a difference. It will actually save a good amount of system resources; and give a much more rich experience that Google intended...
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No, actually I did not clarify your point. My point was in contrast with yours. Rooting the phone has many other benefits than possibly speeding up a phone that's already optimized in this respect.
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Who cares. No one should.
The amount of time "saved" from "freeing up resources" so the phone can "have as rich of an experience as Google intended" is much less than the time it took for either one of us to write our posts, or for any would-be person to read them.
It's a dead issue, do whatever you want. Including having some silly opinion.
Bulletblitz27 said:
No, actually I did not clarify your point. My point was in contrast with yours. Rooting the phone has many other benefits than possibly speeding up a phone that's already optimized in this respect.
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1 thing that we need to remember, is that this message board is not for arguing our points. How about we simply agree to disagree over this matter? You clearly are not going to see it my way - and I clearly believe that taking junkware/bloatware is clearly beneficial to the phone.
I have seen it in action on many android phones that I have serviced, and I also saw how removing junkware off of my personal blaze freed up a lo of memory.
What we should do is now let users of the thread that have seen 2 different peoples point of view make up their minds for themselves. If we continue to go back and forth it does nothing but take up valuable space here on the thread and does a disservice to the users...a healthy debate and conversation is good / but this is beginning to become toxic and redundant!
Thanks for a different point of view however and no hard feelings
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I could not have agreed more, and thanks for not taking a lot of offense to what I said.
Personally I am 1 that is always messing with my phone, so I put more time into it than most people ever would...gotta love ADHD and Ritalin
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FYI
i wouldn't get rid of the default Gallery app (Gallery3D.apk) it seems like for some reason you can't set a Lock screen wallpaper it only has Wallpaper gallery as an option but if i want to set a Home screen wallpaper i can choose from Live wallpapers, Quickpic Wallpaper (an gallery app i downloaded), & Wallpaper gallery.
With Gallery installed the Lock screen options are Gallery & Live wallpapers and when i tap on Gallery i get a bunch of options including the Quickpic and i set that as default and when i go to Quickpic and say "set as" i get options to set as Home screen or Lock screen wallpaper now as i didn't before without Gallery installed
So yeah not sure why i need the default Gallery app to set Lock screen wallpaper but whatever
Use autoresizewallpaper instead..don't need the stock gallery..I got rid of mine
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'bloat' and boot...
Removing 'bloatware' from an android (linux) environment will only effect boot time (phone will be fully booted/usable faster). As it is so often pointed out in forums, once an app is cached (most of the time this happens during boot) it is not using cpu cycles and thus not eating away at any battery life (the RAM will have the same power draw whether it is being used or not) - that is until that app is opened (as any running app will use battery). So if you are looking for a more responsive phone removing bloat isn't going to help - you are literally better off buying a more powerful phone. However I can attest to removing bloat and speeding up boot times from using a 1st gen Exhibit 4g. Removing the 'bloat' decreased my boot time on my exhibit by 10-15 seconds! But beyond speeding up boot times there is no real reason to remove 'bloat' (unless you just don't want those crappy apps on your phone). Let's not get on a tangent on ram cleaners (task killers) please... as they are worthless and do eat away at battery life (as the os realizes it needs to re-cache those apps...) :victory:
anactoraaron said:
Removing 'bloatware' from an android (linux) environment will only effect boot time (phone will be fully booted/usable faster). As it is so often pointed out in forums, once an app is cached (most of the time this happens during boot) it is not using cpu cycles and thus not eating away at any battery life (the RAM will have the same power draw whether it is being used or not) - that is until that app is opened (as any running app will use battery). So if you are looking for a more responsive phone removing bloat isn't going to help - you are literally better off buying a more powerful phone. However I can attest to removing bloat and speeding up boot times from using a 1st gen Exhibit 4g. Removing the 'bloat' decreased my boot time on my exhibit by 10-15 seconds! But beyond speeding up boot times there is no real reason to remove 'bloat' (unless you just don't want those crappy apps on your phone). Let's not get on a tangent on ram cleaners (task killers) please... as they are worthless and do eat away at battery life (as the os realizes it needs to re-cache those apps...) :victory:
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Look, we dont need any more of those kind of posts. I understand it wont affect much, but some do want to remove certain apps like myself. I have wanted to rename post to safe to remove apps, but i dont know how to do that. Unless you have something to contribute to this, dont post things like those apps arent bloatware or that they dont do anything to affect performance. We are trying to help each other out.
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Look, we dont need any more of those kind of posts. I understand it wont affect much, but some do want to remove certain apps like myself. I have wanted to rename post to safe to remove apps, but i dont know how to do that. Unless you have something to contribute to this, dont post things like those apps arent bloatware or that they dont do anything to affect performance. We are trying to help each other out.
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Uh.. wha? I believe you misunderstood my post entirely. I never said that there is no point in removing 'bloatware'/preinstalled apps. The purpose of my post was only to inform. Please re-read my post (without bias). There's this false assumption that removing bloat will make a phone faster and it's just not true. Removing '411 & more' & 'netflix' is NOT going to make my quadrant score higher or give me more FPS playing games.
I may be over-generalizing here but this is what I have come to understand in regards to Android:
Need more storage & want faster boot times? ---> remove bloat/preinstalled apps.
Want better battery life? --> buy extended battery, adjust screen brightness to lowest viewing level.
Want a faster phone? ---> get a custom rom with OC/buy setcpu and OC or buy a faster phone.
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Uh.. wha? I believe you misunderstood my post entirely. I never said that there is no point in removing 'bloatware'/preinstalled apps. The purpose of my post was only to inform. Please re-read my post (without bias). There's this false assumption that removing bloat will make a phone faster and it's just not true. Removing '411 & more' & 'netflix' is NOT going to make my quadrant score higher or give me more FPS playing games.
I may be over-generalizing here but this is what I have come to understand in regards to Android:
Need more storage & want faster boot times? ---> remove bloat/preinstalled apps.
Want better battery life? --> buy extended battery, adjust screen brightness to lowest viewing level.
Want a faster phone? ---> get a custom rom with OC/buy setcpu and OC or buy a faster phone.
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Okay, i see now. Sorry bout that. You are right. I have seen the same pattern with android that you describe and that is why i removed a few things from my phone
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I notice that a lot of apps run on start up and after I stop them they'll just start again 5 or 10 mins later. I use adv task killer and the stock task manager. Is there an app I can download to manage them better or is there something in settings ive missed.
Task killers, especially automated ones, went out of favor when better memory management came in over the last couple Android releases.
Something like Titanium Backup will let you "freeze" apps/services that you don't think you need and, perhaps more importantly, easily unfreeze them when you realize you really did need them. Root is generally required.
The more you stop an app, the more it's going to keep trying to run. Don't use task managers. Let your phone do what it wants. When you need the memory to do something, just do it! You're phone will know how to allocate the RAM and freeze tasks. If you want an app to never run, that you can't get rid of, freeze it with Titanium Backup. Be careful with that, though.
Edit: Damn jeff, posted at the same time!
Edit 2: Of course, this would be common knowledge if he would bother to do the basic research I thought most people do when they first get a device. I knew task killers were bad before I even knew about custom roms.
I use Gemini to stop apps from auto starting when the phone boots up
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The problem is that my phone doesn't allocate. I play a game called peggle and when I run it , it runs really slow and laggy but if I clear all of the processes running in the back ground the game runs fine. I was hoping to get more control over my phone once I rooted it. Don't get me wrong I can flash roms and use Titanium Backup to uninstall the stuff I couldn't. But it feel like thats where it stops. I use gmail and facebook but I only want them to run when I'am using them, kinda like my computer. But we can't alway get what we want.
P.S sorry I couldn't find the sticky on why task managers are bad to use, finding stickys on this site is sometimes like trying to find a pirate's buried gold
I'll admit that there is a lot of "old" information out there on task killers and things like Juice Defender. It can be pretty confusing. It took me a good year before I realized that the Android world had changed from the times of those posts and reviews. Basically, as I understand it, prior to Froyo, memory management was pretty poor in Android. Task killers were a "user-land" way of making up for OS-level deficiencies. Froyo and certainly GB have much better memory management, making task killers more of a source of system instability than the benefit they once were.
There isn't a good way to be able to say "I don't want this, that, and the next service to not be running while I'm running this game/app." Those things are running services generally because they need to stay in contact with the mother ship to do something you want, like keeping abreast of changes, or sometimes something you don't want, like tracking your surfing habits or location. A service also runs when the app needs to keep track of or respond to something else happening on your phone, like battery/bandwidth monitoring tools, or notifiers of various sorts. A well-designed app will try to restart its services when it detects they have stopped.
You might be able to freeze things with TiBackup or the like, kill the services, play the game, unfreeze, then continue. I've never tried anything that fancy. I seem to recall that TiBackup could use the tagging from Apps Organizer to select things for batch operations, but I haven't tried it myself.
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I use Gemini to stop apps from auto starting when the phone boots up
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+1 to this. I've tried everything from killing apps to freezing them. I finally stuck with using Gemini to stop apps from auto-opening. Apps such as Maps, DSP Settings, etc. This allows you to stop the apps from turning on until you turn them on.
To add to what jeff said, another thing even if it says facebook is running it might not be. But it could be a service that facebook borrows from android so you dont need fifteen instances of gps running simultaneously. Instead android gps is used by fifteen different apps. And if it happens to turn on to update your locations facebook thinks it needs to also update so if you want to tell you friends your at the local brothel automagically you can.
That is why it appears when you kill a process and 10 seconds later it is started back up. Something is using it for some reason.
Maybe you can try this one.. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5lbHNkb2VyZmVyLmFuZHJvaWQuYXV0b3N0YXJ0cyJd... i've been using it and it works great for me..
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Maybe you can try this one.. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5lbHNkb2VyZmVyLmFuZHJvaWQuYXV0b3N0YXJ0cyJd... i've been using it and it works great for me..
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Thanks! I flashed a new rom hoping it would use less system rescources. I use valhalla final , before valhalla my system used around 225megs sysyem ram after it droped to around 186. then I unistall some stuff i didnt use that came with it and it got to around 178. Now peggle plays fine. but when I kill apps running in the background the system only uses 156megs. then my emulators run fine. It drives me nuts when programs run rampant. They should only run when I use them, like my computer. My gf reminded me that its just a phone and maybe iam asking too much
Glad you are up and going! If you like Valhalla Final, you might want to try FB's trimmed-down version of Raver's Valhalla Black. It comes with one of AntonX's kernels and is a little snappier and leaner version than the "Valhalla Final" version, in my opinion. You can try later versions of AntonX's kernels as well. (Links for both in my sig).
Your phone is a computer. It's just that Windows is a lot better at "hiding" all the crap that is running in the background!
I recently noticed that the CPU on my rooted, stock rom Nexus 5 was running at levels of 70*% on all 4 cores. It came to my attention because this really slowed down the phone and made apps run very slow.
I asked about it and investigated but got no satisfactory responses. Finally I came across this
http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-5-camera-and-cpu-usage-bug-acknowledged-20140305/
I uninstalled the camera updates and the CPU usage immediately dropped to normal with only 2 cores being used most of the time.
So, if your phone has been running slow lately, it might be because of the latest camera update. Uninstalling the update might be the answer for you too.
the camera daemon was an issue way before the new camera came out. many many many have been experiencing it with the old camera. its not the camera itself btw, its a service your phone runs when taking photos(using the cam). and there are 2 temporary fixes for it.. 1. reboot your device, 2. use a free memory app to kill your services. as you can see that article was written way before the new camera app came out.
Which service should I kill? The battery app said it was "Android os" that was hogging it. Would disabling the camera app and using a different app make a difference?
Here's the difference I saw.
i use an app called FMR Memory Cleaner. i open it, press the button to run it(kill everything), and it frees my ram memory up. as a side effect, it kills that camera daemon service running. so it stops the high cpu usage/battery loss right after. basically, right after i stop using my camera, i run it.
btw, i used to work for androidcommunity.com(and actually get paid for it). i used to head and run their forums. and if you search simms22 in their search, a whole bunch of their news articles will pop up with me in them
Thanks. I thought task killers were useless because Android just reloads what it needs, but maybe it doesn't reload the camera daemon until the user calls it again. I don't use the camera much which is possibly why I had not noticed this till now.
Wonder if a boot manager could selectively prevent the camera and similar daemons from loading till actually called. But I don't know much about the inner workings of android.
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Thanks. I thought task killers were useless because Android just reloads what it needs, but maybe it doesn't reload the camera daemon until the user calls it again. I don't use the camera much which is possibly why I had not noticed this till now.
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its a matter of opinion. sure, android does the job. personally i dont like how android does it. ive been using a few free ram/fast reboot type memory freers apps for the past 5 years, and am very selective of which i use, as some are just junk. anyways, it keeps me happier in the end, and thats whats important. isnt it?
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its a matter of opinion. sure, android does the job. personally i dont like how android does it. ive been using a few free ram/fast reboot type memory freers apps for the past 5 years, and am very selective of which i use, as some are just junk. anyways, it keeps me happier in the end, and thats whats important. isnt it?
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Yes it is what's important.
And thank you for your help.
So I have had the tablet for a week now, running Marshmallow. Just rooted, nothing more. One thing that is driving me nuts with this tablet is that the way it uses its memory. It does not want to keep apps in memory.
For instance. I can be playing a game, jump out to Chrome, surf for a minute, go to email, then go back to my game and the game needs to reload. I look at the RAM and it says I have like 800mb free. This happens over and over to me.
Is this just normal for the Shield that it aggressively closes apps so fast. I am just comparing to my Nexus 7 that didn't behave like this and I thought it was very odd.
Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!
Good question. I self have noticed this behaver, but I have the K1 only for a bit more than a week too and upgrade directly to Android 6.0, so I can't say if that happens on 5.x too. A Bug? A "Feature" of Android 6.0 or of the K1 itself? What ever it is, I don't like it, makes no sense for me, the K1 have enough RAM.
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So I have had the tablet for a week now, running Marshmallow. Just rooted, nothing more. One thing that is driving me nuts with this tablet is that the way it uses its memory. It does not want to keep apps in memory.
For instance. I can be playing a game, jump out to Chrome, surf for a minute, go to email, then go back to my game and the game needs to reload. I look at the RAM and it says I have like 800mb free. This happens over and over to me.
Is this just normal for the Shield that it aggressively closes apps so fast. I am just comparing to my Nexus 7 that didn't behave like this and I thought it was very odd.
Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!
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I'm noticing similar behavior but can't effectively tie it to the Marshmallow update either. I'm running stock with Action Launcher 3 as my launcher.
I see the same reload for apps when I've switched between multiple in one sitting. The one place I notice it frequently is in my use of Muzei, which I use in conjunction with Tapet, for changing wallpapers. It seems like at least once a day I access my tablet and notice that the wallpaper has reverted to a stock, static wallpaper and Muzei needs to be "activated".
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I'm noticing similar behavior but can't effectively tie it to the Marshmallow update either. I'm running stock with Action Launcher 3 as my launcher.
I see the same reload for apps when I've switched between multiple in one sitting. The one place I notice it frequently is in my use of Muzei, which I use in conjunction with Tapet, for changing wallpapers. It seems like at least once a day I access my tablet and notice that the wallpaper has reverted to a stock, static wallpaper and Muzei needs to be "activated".
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Well I have no went back to 5.1, and the same problem. I can be playing a game, come out to the browser for a minute or 2, then go back to the game and it needs to be fully reloaded. Honestly I am soo surprised it acts this way, especially with 2GB of ram. It is such a let down. I wish people would have mentioned this in there reviews in the product as I saw it no where. I hate to say it, but it drives me nuts enough I am about to be an Ex-shield owner. I like playing games on this but I am sure other people are like me where they play for 15 -20 minutes. Put it down for a little bit, come back and want to play more. This just doesn't allow for that. It acts more like a portable console. constantly needing to be relaunched.
It's really annoying that it dumps apps out of memory. Like say I'm in Facebook and I want to look up a link in chrome to reply to a comment with.. So I switch to chrome find the link, switch back to Facebook, and now I'm at the main page again and have to scroll and find where I was at and sometimes I just can't and give up. Why Nvidia why?!
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It's really annoying that it dumps apps out of memory. Like say I'm in Facebook and I want to look up a link in chrome to reply to a comment with.. So I switch to chrome find the link, switch back to Facebook, and now I'm at the main page again and have to scroll and find where I was at and sometimes I just can't and give up. Why Nvidia why?!
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As far as I can tell, this is a bug/feature that Nvidia is responsible for. At first, I used to worry about switching between a game like Real Racing 3 and Chrome browser. The game will almost certainly close. Now, the there's an even bigger problem. I can't have a reasonable amount of tabs open in Chrome. They reload each time I switch to them. I considered switching to Firefox and/or Opera to see if the problem would persist but I just can't do without Chrome's syncing capabilities.
The only thing keeping me from rooting and trying out a custom ROM is the loss of Nvidia's proprietary apps.
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As far as I can tell, this is a bug/feature that Nvidia is responsible for. At first, I used to worry about switching between a game like Real Racing 3 and Chrome browser. The game will almost certainly close. Now, the there's an even bigger problem. I can't have a reasonable amount of tabs open in Chrome. They reload each time I switch to them. I considered switching to Firefox and/or Opera to see if the problem would persist but I just can't do without Chrome's syncing capabilities.
The only thing keeping me from rooting and trying out a custom ROM is the loss of Nvidia's proprietary apps.
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The chrome tab problem might not be tablet related. I have the same issue on my Sony Xperia Z3 compact and on my Nexus 9. Maybe chrome sucks up so much ram that it forces android to close app in the background and tabs to unload?
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The chrome tab problem might not be tablet related. I have the same issue on my Sony Xperia Z3 compact and on my Nexus 9. Maybe chrome sucks up so much ram that it forces android to close app in the background and tabs to unload?
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My Marshmallow-running HTC One M8 handles this better than the tablet that has a more powerful hardware. I don't know how many tabs my phone can handle at a time but I know the tablet doesn't even come close in that regard.
I didn't buy a 2GB RAM tablet only to have it treat my browser tabs like an iPad with 1GB of RAM.
Holy crap... uninstall Facebook and Messenger and this thing flies. I always felt like it gamed "ok" but the UI was laggy as hell. Uninstalled FB and Messenger and now this thing is a beast.
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Holy crap... uninstall Facebook and Messenger and this thing flies. I always felt like it gamed "ok" but the UI was laggy as hell. Uninstalled FB and Messenger and now this thing is a beast.
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I would recommend that on any android device. I've noticed on all of my devices with facebook that it was listed as the number one app for battery use even when I hadn't launched it in days. After uninstalling it I got improvements in battery life and now I just use their mobile website in chrome. I actually like that better as links open up in a new tab and there is no need to switch apps to go back and forth between facebook and web pages. I also created a home screen link to the facebook mobile website and put it in a folder on one of my home screens.
I hated the aggressive ram management of the stock rom initially so i rooted it and flashed BitO-k4 kernel , it improved but not up to the mark compared to my nexus 5x , now i use CM13 temasek's build (multirom) and it is way way better.
i think the stock rom is the initial culprit here, removing apps like facebook might help but things like swap , zram and ram management values present in stock will always be bottlenecks for true multitasking.
try using different kernels from our community it might help a bit.
Try kernels from 4pda.ru
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=617264&view=findpost&p=48990563
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http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=617264&view=findpost&p=46309014
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Holy crap... uninstall Facebook and Messenger and this thing flies. I always felt like it gamed "ok" but the UI was laggy as hell. Uninstalled FB and Messenger and now this thing is a beast.
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If you still want to use fb try the app tinfoil for Facebook. That kinda goes for anyone regardless of what they are using, it's a lot better. Facebook apps suck so bad with resources they slow just about anything down...