I notice that a lot of apps run on start up and after I stop them they'll just start again 5 or 10 mins later. I use adv task killer and the stock task manager. Is there an app I can download to manage them better or is there something in settings ive missed.
Task killers, especially automated ones, went out of favor when better memory management came in over the last couple Android releases.
Something like Titanium Backup will let you "freeze" apps/services that you don't think you need and, perhaps more importantly, easily unfreeze them when you realize you really did need them. Root is generally required.
The more you stop an app, the more it's going to keep trying to run. Don't use task managers. Let your phone do what it wants. When you need the memory to do something, just do it! You're phone will know how to allocate the RAM and freeze tasks. If you want an app to never run, that you can't get rid of, freeze it with Titanium Backup. Be careful with that, though.
Edit: Damn jeff, posted at the same time!
Edit 2: Of course, this would be common knowledge if he would bother to do the basic research I thought most people do when they first get a device. I knew task killers were bad before I even knew about custom roms.
I use Gemini to stop apps from auto starting when the phone boots up
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The problem is that my phone doesn't allocate. I play a game called peggle and when I run it , it runs really slow and laggy but if I clear all of the processes running in the back ground the game runs fine. I was hoping to get more control over my phone once I rooted it. Don't get me wrong I can flash roms and use Titanium Backup to uninstall the stuff I couldn't. But it feel like thats where it stops. I use gmail and facebook but I only want them to run when I'am using them, kinda like my computer. But we can't alway get what we want.
P.S sorry I couldn't find the sticky on why task managers are bad to use, finding stickys on this site is sometimes like trying to find a pirate's buried gold
I'll admit that there is a lot of "old" information out there on task killers and things like Juice Defender. It can be pretty confusing. It took me a good year before I realized that the Android world had changed from the times of those posts and reviews. Basically, as I understand it, prior to Froyo, memory management was pretty poor in Android. Task killers were a "user-land" way of making up for OS-level deficiencies. Froyo and certainly GB have much better memory management, making task killers more of a source of system instability than the benefit they once were.
There isn't a good way to be able to say "I don't want this, that, and the next service to not be running while I'm running this game/app." Those things are running services generally because they need to stay in contact with the mother ship to do something you want, like keeping abreast of changes, or sometimes something you don't want, like tracking your surfing habits or location. A service also runs when the app needs to keep track of or respond to something else happening on your phone, like battery/bandwidth monitoring tools, or notifiers of various sorts. A well-designed app will try to restart its services when it detects they have stopped.
You might be able to freeze things with TiBackup or the like, kill the services, play the game, unfreeze, then continue. I've never tried anything that fancy. I seem to recall that TiBackup could use the tagging from Apps Organizer to select things for batch operations, but I haven't tried it myself.
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I use Gemini to stop apps from auto starting when the phone boots up
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+1 to this. I've tried everything from killing apps to freezing them. I finally stuck with using Gemini to stop apps from auto-opening. Apps such as Maps, DSP Settings, etc. This allows you to stop the apps from turning on until you turn them on.
To add to what jeff said, another thing even if it says facebook is running it might not be. But it could be a service that facebook borrows from android so you dont need fifteen instances of gps running simultaneously. Instead android gps is used by fifteen different apps. And if it happens to turn on to update your locations facebook thinks it needs to also update so if you want to tell you friends your at the local brothel automagically you can.
That is why it appears when you kill a process and 10 seconds later it is started back up. Something is using it for some reason.
Maybe you can try this one.. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5lbHNkb2VyZmVyLmFuZHJvaWQuYXV0b3N0YXJ0cyJd... i've been using it and it works great for me..
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Maybe you can try this one.. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5lbHNkb2VyZmVyLmFuZHJvaWQuYXV0b3N0YXJ0cyJd... i've been using it and it works great for me..
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Thanks! I flashed a new rom hoping it would use less system rescources. I use valhalla final , before valhalla my system used around 225megs sysyem ram after it droped to around 186. then I unistall some stuff i didnt use that came with it and it got to around 178. Now peggle plays fine. but when I kill apps running in the background the system only uses 156megs. then my emulators run fine. It drives me nuts when programs run rampant. They should only run when I use them, like my computer. My gf reminded me that its just a phone and maybe iam asking too much
Glad you are up and going! If you like Valhalla Final, you might want to try FB's trimmed-down version of Raver's Valhalla Black. It comes with one of AntonX's kernels and is a little snappier and leaner version than the "Valhalla Final" version, in my opinion. You can try later versions of AntonX's kernels as well. (Links for both in my sig).
Your phone is a computer. It's just that Windows is a lot better at "hiding" all the crap that is running in the background!
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Hello All,
I wanted to see what everyone thinks is the best application manger for Android.
Also is anyone familiar with the Getjar free app store?
Thx All,
Force
What do people think of "Advance Task Killer"
It seems to me it shows all tasks, not jsut the open ones.
Regards,
Force
FYI,
Many people say talk killers are not necessary, as that is a windows phenomenon, Linux & android treating background processes differently.
Regards,
Force
I personally use Advanced Task Manager for $0.99. I have read the articles about how Android does not need task Managers because it is built in, but I know from personal experience that without it if there are running programs in the background my phone gets really sluggish especially when I get a phone call and it makes it difficult to answer etc. Take in account, this experience was mainly with the Hero (slower) but I use on my Evo now.
You know people will argue either way, because there is evidence to support both sides of the argument. so with that in mind- i honestly havent had the need for one with my evo, but it you truly are considering one- i actually have a pair to suggest.
one is OS Monitor- free on the market- great app for pinning down process that could be an issue- also supports dmsg repporting- and logcat is built in to- so if your testing something and it goes all wonky you can export the log to view on a pc and send it to the developer too.
the second is AMM- or Auto Memory Manager- free and donate versions on the market. There are pretty much a couple of sliders and you set it how you want android to handle the process. I have had great success with this app on my other device- normal free memory was around 30-35 and using this set aggressively i saw gains of 50mb at most times keeping my freememory to around 75-80mb range.
Hope this helps.
I take both sides. I have task manager installed, but use if ONLY when needed. Aka, I used it when I want to kill the browser after I'm done with it so next time I launch it I won't be seeing old pages.
I like EStrongs Task Manager.
http://www.appbrain.com/app/nextapp.systempanel.r1 is nice, it can kill processes, monitor system stats, uninstall apps and more. There is also a free version.
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http://www.appbrain.com/app/nextapp.systempanel.r1 is nice, it can kill processes, monitor system stats, uninstall apps and more. There is also a free version.
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i installed that last night, cool app
why someone who know don't explaine exactly how android works and do we need killers and if yes which one is best...
Everyone of us using something but question is that which one is best for our needs.
quick system info pro (free)
I only use the manual task killer widget when memory gets down around 100. Spikes it right back to about 250.
Whats your guys' normal memory range? I see someone on here saying 50 was normal for them but that seems REALLY low to me.
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I take both sides. I have task manager installed, but use if ONLY when needed. Aka, I used it when I want to kill the browser after I'm done with it so next time I launch it I won't be seeing old pages.
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Does the stock Sense browser not have an option to kill the windows by hitting menu? On CM, I do menu, windows, and X them out
I have read some good number of articles about using or not using a task killer on android phones, I am leaning at the moment to not having one (as i have not installed one and i have had my phone. For about a week or two now). I am extremely interested in hearing some opinions flrom my fellow xda members.
Thanks in advanced for some friendly debate over the issue
-Dave
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There are already numerous threads about this. Do a quick research and you'll find lots of debates going on.
For example, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=744101
What's your point to start a new one?
You only need it in emergencies. At first I used it often and decided I was just paranoid and uninstalled it. Device then worked more smoothly then when I was using it. You may get a little nervous about it saying that it only has 70M left, but that's not really true. Most of the apps that you exit out of don't get used by the CPU anymore and just sit in memory (not doing anything). When you launch another app, that applications gets moved out of memory and the new one gets active.
If you install a lot of 3 star apps (crappy apps) and notice that your battery is going low fast or phone getting hot, then use it as it is an emergency. Just try not to make it a habit.
Do not use a task killer unless an app is frozen! It only slows down your phone and causes bugs. Your apps have to reopen every time you want to use it, which only slows things down. It's also possible for apps to lose data because they get stopped prematurely.
Besides, freeing up ram won't make your phone go faster. If the ram isn't being used, then it's doing nothing at all. A phone with 500MB free would be just as fast as a phone with 20MB free.
I used advanced task killer for a while but uninstalled it because i couldnt come up with a set of tasks that i would always want killed.
Plus the purist in me doesnt like the idea of automatically terminating a thread without some kind of collaboration between the threads involved. How does task killer know that any given thread is at a good stopping point?
It seems that background tasks were not nearly as big a drain on battr life as having gps on all the time. Once I installed the power widget on my home screen toggling gps took care of that.
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Some stuff still pops up everytime I clear my running apps, so I was wondering what is recommended to check off first.
Main thing are widgets or apps you require on all the time.
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You shouldn't use such app like this, let the android do the killing stuff him self.. try to google about taskiller on android to make it clearer for you..
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You shouldn't use such app like this, let the android do the killing stuff him self.. try to google about taskiller on android to make it clearer for you..
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Some lower end phones require a task killer to even make the phone bearable. I noticed my old Android phone needed to kill apps or it would start lagging really bad but when I killed tasks, it ran smooth. Keep this in mind, OP might not have a high end phone.
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Some lower end phones require a task killer to even make the phone bearable. I noticed my old Android phone needed to kill apps or it would start lagging really bad but when I killed tasks, it ran smooth. Keep this in mind, OP might not have a high end phone.
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You will notice a speed up for a while but in a long run the system will not go stable enough..
I'm using a Galaxy S. I just like to kill off programs. Am I not supposed to? I mean, there can be a LOT of programs running.
Hey everyone...
I'm running a cappy with CM nightly #104. I upgraded 2 days ago and everything was running well.
I installed Autokill memory optimizer to help keep things running smoothly. I set it to the aggressive preset and it worked fine for a day.
Today - out of the blue - nearly everything on my phone started 'force closing' email, gapps, apps when opeend, etc. Even autokill force closed after only being open for a second or two.
I uninstalled autokill and things seem to have returned to normal.
Did I miss something? I found a website that's a kind of guide for autokill. I like the program and think it should make things run more smoothly... but this was very strange.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
UPDATE: It started again with a few apps constantly closing (gapps, email). This time I uninstalled autorun manager and things went back to normal.
We'll see how it goes since I don't know of anything specific I did that would make that sort of thing happen.
Again, any advice greatly appreciated!
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Again, any advice greatly appreciated!
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The advice is NOT to use any task kill/auto kill app. They do more harm than useful, especially in newer Android OS.
Thanks... That's kind of annoying, but makes sense.
Is there a better way to optimize memory usage? I have apps that seem to lag more on the newer OS after a min or so of usage. (EX: words with friends)
I would suggest the supercharger v6 script in android general section. Worked wonders for me. Dlev5, talon.
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Thanks, I'll check it out!
Android keeps things in ram on purpose - to optimize switching between apps. The apps are not actually running; they do not actually use any cpu cycles, they're simply memory resident so the OS doesn't have to retrieve them off the flashrom chip each time you want to load something. The alternative (removing an app from ram each time you close it) will actually force Android to retrieve it from storage each time you want to run it, meaning it'll use more cpu cycles, increase loading times, and needlessly waste battery power.
Android also keeps a pool of minimum ram free that it needs to provide a smooth desktop environment. It'll automatically kill apps and services in a set order if it needs more ram for itself or a foreground app. Those task-killer apps have been hurting Android's performance since 1.6.
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The advice is NOT to use any task kill/auto kill app. They do more harm than useful, especially in newer Android OS.
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This.
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This time I uninstalled autorun manager and things went back to normal.
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Autorun manager is something I can't live without. You do have to be careful with it though.
Only use advanced mode. Basic mode is essentially a task killer.
Anti depressant perhaps?
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Anti depressant perhaps?
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Haha.... it feels like that sometimes.
Thanks to everyone for the responses. I've got some ideas of stuff to learn more about and at least I know how to reverse any damage I do
I like autostarts. Just be careful and you need to root first.
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Hey guys I just foun out that with the widget "ASUS Task Manager" threw the one touch clean I had a really big performance improvement. Before I had 14 tasks running in background which made my tablet really laggy. So maybe this will help you too.
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You can also use any advanced task manager to look at the apps that autostart with the tablet and remove half of them (wisely). I'm using System Tuner at the moment. Seems more sound to me than just hitting 'kill all' once in a while manually and pretty much randomly. It's better to make your device run some while killing or even not starting others..
Infiinty users should also consider changing their Minfree values to let the system take care of freeing the memory more efficiently, you can also see my thread on tweaking in the development section.
guys. where i can download this task manager widget?
i'd like to install it on my Kindle Fire CM9. very nice tool.
juster2 said:
guys. where i can download this task manager widget?
i'd like to install it on my Kindle Fire CM9. very nice tool.
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The one OP speaks of is built into the bloatware of Asus. I use it with pretty good results. The one D14 spoke of is called System Tuner and is available at the play store by searching for it or clicking here.
The thread he referenced is a great one, albeit rather technical, and is located here.
+1 for System Tuner
A long time user of the System Tuner app...
Where does the advice, "don't use task managers with GB or newer because the OS is designed to handle tasks well" fit into this? I have read that advice all over the place and heard it on at least the Android Central podcast. I'm not saying it's wrong but this goes against that. Are we supposed to be killing tasks all the time in ICS?
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Where does the advice, "don't use task managers with GB or newer because the OS is designed to handle tasks well" fit into this? I have read that advice all over the place and heard it on at least the Android Central podcast. I'm not saying it's wrong but this goes against that. Are we supposed to be killing tasks all the time in ICS?
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Im a firm believer in this as a general rule as people go crazy killing tasks that dont need killed. Android memory management is generally pretty good, although alot of times stock ROMs give priority to bloatware. I use the app when I notice lagginess and see that I have games still running. I depend on my tablet to keep me going all day so I can't allow alot of junk running in the background. The best route is to restart the tablet, but that even has flaws with apps autostarting. In general, if you do't know what your doing, dont use a "kill all" as you're killing processes that dont need to be killed and can actually cause your tablet to run slower until these processes restart.
There is one thing I would like to kill all the time - Verizon's Backup Assistant. I have all of its check boxes unchecked and it still runs every few days. Will "System Tuner" let me set it to be killed every time it tries to rear its head?
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There is one thing I would like to kill all the time - Verizon's Backup Assistant. I have all of its check boxes unchecked and it still runs every few days. Will "System Tuner" let me set it to be killed every time it tries to rear its head?
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I do believe you can black list apps and autokill them anytime they pop up.
agree with Chief Geek. task killers on latest android versions can be more evil than good. never used autokill options, always in manual mode but full memory=increased battery drain. also on my kindle fire with 512mb ram, and spb shell 3d installed as default launcher, after i quit from any heavy application(games, browser w/many tabs etc) my launcher takes up to 30-40sec to load back. thats can be annoying. task killer can be useful in some circumstances.
i've found task killer similar to asus task manager. ics task manager. "Search" tool sometimes very helpful if use it with brains people without brains don't use search
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There is one thing I would like to kill all the time - Verizon's Backup Assistant. I have all of its check boxes unchecked and it still runs every few days. Will "System Tuner" let me set it to be killed every time it tries to rear its head?
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It should, it has another list for what's starting at boot time. But if these can't help, try disabling its connectivity in DroidWall or remove it manually as root from where it's installed, probably /system/app (but be careful and make a backup just in case).
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Where does the advice, "don't use task managers with GB or newer because the OS is designed to handle tasks well" fit into this? I have read that advice all over the place and heard it on at least the Android Central podcast. I'm not saying it's wrong but this goes against that. Are we supposed to be killing tasks all the time in ICS?
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Ok, as one who has done a LOT of looking into this for a LONG time, heres my two cents.
If you are constantly killing a task that constantly starts itself up agian, that uses more power than just letting the task sit in the background memory. If extended battery life is your goal, you dont want to constantly be killing the same tasks over and over
If performance is your goal, and you want the most SPEED out of your device, then you want as much free memory available to the device as possible, hence the one click clean dealies. This is usually short lived because most of the tasks you kill will start themselves up again in short order.
Best case: Determine what tasks you are killing often and find a permenant solution. I have frozen maps on occasion because of this. Gotten rid of the facebook app, and also nerfed a bunch of free games because they kept popping up.
Overall task killers are not needed, just know your system and monitor it properly and it will run smooth.
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Overall task killers are not needed, just know your system and monitor it properly and it will run smooth.
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This.
Task killers only temporarily work around the issue. Android is supposed to be handling processes and services by itself. Of course, there are applications that abuse the likes of "persistant" processes and services which can slow it down. Tweaking things like the SuperCharger script does can help, but it's usually apps that are the real culprits.
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There is one thing I would like to kill all the time - Verizon's Backup Assistant. I have all of its check boxes unchecked and it still runs every few days. Will "System Tuner" let me set it to be killed every time it tries to rear its head?
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I believe that you can just "Disable" this app via the Settings->Apps menus. ICS has a nice feature that will let you disable apps that you don't need. That should stop it from running.
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