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**Let me begin by saying that, as a newcomer to the forum, I apologize of this has been posted in the wrong place. I considered posting it in various HTC Fuze specific or Android subforums, but decided on this one as it is "(Android) Software...General". If there's a problem, please notify me and move this thread accordingly. I have no intention of creating problems.**
I've been doing a great deal of experimenting with Android on my Fuze, and (after trying XDAndroid 2.0.1) am trying to get 1.6 (Donut) working.
I've been using the (1.6) build on connect-utb.com. My phone is an HTC Fuze, or a Raphael 110. Apparently, it (the build) was last made/modified on 11/22/09, and (quoting from the download/version description):
"This Android package is based on the Current phhusson/leobaillard's release from 22.11.2009."
The problem I'm having is that, among other things, 1.6 seems to be VERY unstable.
A program (google maps/voice/android keyboard/marketplace/etc...) seems to crash every minute. I've become rather exasperated with it, and, after multiple manual restarts and re-installations, I've come to the oasis of mobile phone knowledge asking for assistance.
I'm confused (regarding 1.6), as this is supposedly the more stable build. I shied away from XDAndroid 2.0.1 due to the small bits of UI lag I was experiencing. 1.6 attracted me due to the claim that it's much faster (as well as having a couple more features working).
Can somebody give me some advice in regards to whether I might be doing something wrong? I'm sure I'm using the correct startup.txt, and don't quite know what the problem could be.
Granted, if somebody also has ways of optimizing XDAndroid 2.0.1, or providing an optimized build, I'd welcome that alternative.
In short, I'm looking for an Android build that will run very fast, and with exceptional stability, on a Raphael 110.
Thank you in advance.
Get the latest builds from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601751
Thank you for pointing me in that direction, JR_de, but, as I understand it, that thread pertains solely to Android 2.0.1 Eclair.
When I used that version, I found the graphics and response times (overall system speed) were somewhat laggy. Is that normal (for my phone)? Is there a way to optimize it?
I know that the HTC Fuze (Raphael) has a 528Mhz processor, as well as 288Mbs of RAM, which is on par with the HTC Magic - another Android phone.
Can you please provide some insight as to whether I could either 1)optimize Eclair or 2) download a stable 1.6?
Thanks again.
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xyrovice said:
Thank you for pointing me in that direction, JR_de, but, as I understand it, that thread pertains solely to Android 2.0.1 Eclair.
When I used that version, I found the graphics and response times (overall system speed) were somewhat laggy. Is that normal (for my phone)? Is there a way to optimize it?
I know that the HTC Fuze (Raphael) has a 528Mhz processor, as well as 288Mbs of RAM, which is on par with the HTC Magic - another Android phone.
Can you please provide some insight as to whether I could either 1)optimize Eclair or 2) download a stable 1.6?
Thanks again.
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try agian when its update almost everytime its improved speed wise
some have said that the febuary 22 build is faster
jul644 said:
try agian when its update almost everytime its improved speed wise
some have said that the febuary 22 build is faster
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Would that also include every build thereafter, or just the one from February 22nd?? I downloaded and am using the March 1st build in the hopes that, as it's the most up to date, it will be the 'best'.
Also, I saw something about enabling 3D in Windows Mobile (before launching Haret, I assume). It said you could do this by launching TouchFlo3D.
I booted back into WinMo, launched TF3D, and am now going to see if it's any faster.
Thank you both for your help so far.
You might have more luck posting your questions on the XDAndroid forum. I too would definitely recommend using the later Eclair versions, I remember a massive performance leap around two months ago when that version number shot up. The Eclair builds will obviously be updated more regularly too.
The graphics lag is completely normal for your Fuze. The reason isn't a hardware problem, it's because the drivers for the graphics chip and just about everyting else in your WM phone need rewriting for Android, and they haven't been optimised yet, hence them not running as smoothly as on phones whose drivers have been written specifically for Android by HTC themselves.
My Touch Pro would require a soft reset every ~5 minutes with the XDAndroid 1.6 builds, but I could probably use it for 24 hours now on Eclair without it crashing.
If you're still unsure, why not just give Eclair a go? You can always switch back if you find it slower. As for your search for a build "that will run very fast, and with exceptional stability, on a Raphael 110", I'm afraid that the development just hasn't got there yet, especially for the stability. Relative to Windows, it's still miles off for that.
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You might have more luck posting your questions on the XDAndroid forum. I too would definitely recommend using the later Eclair versions, I remember a massive performance leap around two months ago when that version number shot up. The Eclair builds will obviously be updated more regularly too.
The graphics lag is completely normal for your Fuze. The reason isn't a hardware problem, it's because the drivers for the graphics chip and just about everyting else in your WM phone need rewriting for Android, and they haven't been optimised yet, hence them not running as smoothly as on phones whose drivers have been written specifically for Android by HTC themselves.
My Touch Pro would require a soft reset every ~5 minutes with the XDAndroid 1.6 builds, but I could probably use it for 24 hours now on Eclair without it crashing.
If you're still unsure, why not just give Eclair a go? You can always switch back if you find it slower. As for your search for a build "that will run very fast, and with exceptional stability, on a Raphael 110", I'm afraid that the development just hasn't got there yet, especially for the stability. Relative to Windows, it's still miles off for that.
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Thanks for taking the time to write this.
Since my last post, I have indeed given Eclair a second chance, and find it performing a bit better than I remember. Granted, I'm using the 'standard' home screen, not the Home++ one (if that makes any difference).
Also, thanks for clarifying that it's the graphics drivers that are hindering performance. That gives me hope, seeing as it's (more or less) a software issue that can, and hopefully will be, fixed.
While I would love to see the OS become faster one my phone, right now my biggest issue lies in battery life. Past that, it's camera capability, and then GPS. I'm also fiddling with a 3g/data issue, but I'm sure I'll work that out. I have never used bluetooth for the years that I've owned a cell phone, so I'm not too worried about that.
Honestly, though, I've been using Eclair for the past few days with very few reboots. I've never has any major crashes (usually only one when I boot into android and it says the latin keyboard process has crashed), and thus haven't had to reboot out of "necessity."
In short, I have given it a second chance, and am very thankful for doing so.
I wouldn't worry too much about battery life, GPS and the camera as they're the most commonly asked about things on the thread. The developers are well aware of how many users want these working, and I'm sure that if the project continues to be updated, these things (particuarly battery life) will be prioritised.
I asked svetius to open a board for Raphael Android Development, and he has very kindly done so. In the future, you'll probably get more replies here.
This is very, very much appreciated.
Thanks for your time, as well as the link (and your efforts in regards to the creation of that board).
does anyone have a good startup.txt file for their raphael
i need one because my raph has android preformance issues.
thanks
Guys, just wanted to know your thoughts, if its advisable to move to GB on Captivate or remain on Froyo. In short, what are the advantages of moving to GB, over Froyo on Captivate, other than GB being the latest and greatest. I'm not sure if Captivate hardware at this point, can be supported completely by GB yet or other way around.
So let the discussion begin
I'm using miui and I love it. Had serendipity before and battery life is so much better with gb.
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GR-12, I9000 reoriented vG.1.2 and UGKC1 modem works better than any other I9000 port I have ever used. GPS is way better without any "fixes" added!
Don't be fooled by the "glowing" testimonials. All the GB ROMs are still in development and have some issues. It just depends on whether you can live with those issues or not. If you need everything on your phone to work properly, stick with a Froyo-based ROM for now.
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GR-12, I9000 reoriented vG.1.2 and UGKC1 modem works better than any other I9000 port I have ever used. GPS is way better without any "fixes" added!
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You mean that GPS is better on GB ? I never had any issues with GPS in all the latest Froyo ROM's.
I think GB is just better out of box! Better performance, FANTASTIC (comparatively) GPS, stability, and bragging rights to me friends (maybe that one is just me ha).
The only disadvantage is the lack of variety. There are GB ROMs surfacing, but it'll take time before we have more than maybe 5 to choose from, with 1 or 2 elites (well, that's with froyo as well regardless of the number of ROMs IMHO).
Basically, the choice is yours. I love GB, but it has presented some unforseen problems on some of my friends' phones and I've had to fix them (nothing major, just randomness).
There's my two cents!
Regards
Smith
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Don't be fooled by the "glowing" testimonials. All the GB ROMs are still in development and have some issues. It just depends on whether you can live with those issues or not. If you need everything on your phone to work properly, stick with a Froyo-based ROM for now.
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Yea, to be frank, I did use a couple of GB ROM's and they were good, but lots of bugs still to be fixed. I personally felt the only 2 reasons to go to GB was bcoz it was the latest/greatest and some GB ROM's support Netflix
P.S: One of my favorite apps Galaxy Tuner doesn't work on GB
I have been using continuum 5 for a couple of days and for me, it's been better than stock froyo for sure.
Speed, battery life, bluetooth connection and reliability, etc...
Try it for yourself to be sure, cause you cat ask 100 different people here and get 100 different answers.
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You mean that GPS is better on GB ? I never had any issues with GPS in all the latest Froyo ROM's.
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You have a newer build? Mine is 1007, sucked eggs without a nudge.
Miami_Son said:
Don't be fooled by the "glowing" testimonials. All the GB ROMs are still in development and have some issues. It just depends on whether you can live with those issues or not. If you need everything on your phone to work properly, stick with a Froyo-based ROM for now.
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How many GB roms have you tried? I'm on GR-12 after trying every gb release to date and have zero problems and full functionality. Better than any froyo rom I've used and I've used most of them.
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How many GB roms have you tried? I'm on GR-12 after trying every gb release to date and have zero problems and full functionality.
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Here's the problem with anecdotal evidence, it only applies to the person giving it. What you consider to be "zero problems and full functionality" is only relevant to the way YOU use your phone. It doesn't mean everyone using that ROM will have the exact same experience because they likely don't use their phone exactly as you do. Reading the various GB ROM threads, there's enough people having issues ranging from minor to major to validate my statement. I don't have to use the ROM to see that. There's a reason "best ROM" threads get deleted or closed in here. It's because what works for one may not work for another. Rather than try to pass off my experience with a ROM I prefer to caution people not to accept the "glowing reviews" without a grain of salt. Maybe there'd be less people with problems if they were just a little hesitant to jump into flashing XYZ ROM based on those glowing reviews.
All gb based roms, as they are right now, are full of bugs/problems. Anyone who states otherwise is either a liar a fan boy or just doesn't know what they are talking about. Period.
GB roms have better battery life which is very important for me. and gallery flies : )
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Here's the thing, GB is the future around here. Very little development is continuing on froyo roms. One very popular rom is being finished by it's developer and a few others are also being finalized. The focus is rapidly shifting to GB for obvious reasons, it's just better and has way more potential. Personally I've had no issues with it and find it every bit as stable as the best froyo roms.
You will never know if you don't try it how it will run for you, but reading threads and listening to people complain about this and that can be found in any rom thread, froyo or GB.
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Here's the thing, GB is the future around here. Very little development is continuing on froyo roms. One very popular rom is being finished by it's developer and a few others are also being finalized. The focus is rapidly shifting to GB for obvious reasons, it's just better and has way more potential. Personally I've had no issues with it and find it every bit as stable as the best froyo roms.
You will never know if you don't try it how it will run for you, but reading threads and listening to people complain about this and that can be found in any rom thread, froyo or GB.
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The problem is that because it is the next big thing, there are those who are jumping into it who have neither the expertise or ability to fix it when it goes wrong. I see people who haven't even mastered the simpler task of updating from Eclair to Froyo willing to start right off with the more complex procedure of flashing a GB ROM. Then many of those people (if they don't screw up the flash) end up trying to go back not knowing anything about the changed bootloaders and they end up in a world of hurt. The forums are filled with them and their issues. I'm all for experimentation, but human nature often overrides common sense and you get too many people who would rather jump feet first into the deep end and then come looking for someone to throw them a life preserver instead of putting on a flotation device before going into the water.
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The problem is that because it is the next big thing, there are those who are jumping into it who have neither the expertise or ability to fix it when it goes wrong. I see people who haven't even mastered the simpler task of updating from Eclair to Froyo willing to start right off with the more complex procedure of flashing a GB ROM. Then many of those people (if they don't screw up the flash) end up trying to go back not knowing anything about the changed bootloaders and they end up in a world of hurt. The forums are filled with them and their issues. I'm all for experimentation, but human nature often overrides common sense and you get too many people who would rather jump feet first into the deep end and then come looking for someone to throw them a life preserver instead of putting on a flotation device before going into the water.
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Thats a personal decision. I'm not about to tell someone not to try something, it should be their decision based on how comfortable they feel about the process. In reality it's more like 1 or 2% who end up with serious issues, I believe it was icezar who confirmed those percentages. If people take the time and read the instructions, it's no more difficult than flashing froyo. I remember a few bricks when froyo roms started appearing. Your always going to have some idiots who don't read first and get in trouble. Thats why all Devs post a disclaimer in their original posts. User beware no matter what you flash.
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I haven't ran into any problems that have warranted switching back to Froyo ROMs yet. Sure, they're not as polished as some of the Froyo ROMs, but it's not something you can notice right off the bat anyways, unless you're a developer yourself and actually looks for bugs/problems.
Went MIUI a couple of hours ago.
Now i find myself restoring back apps on A3 via TiBu.
Spoiled by stablity.
GR-12 actually got me to use my Captivate again, and even though I sold it, it worked fine for everything I used it for. That's texting, talking on the phone, and GPS, to name a few. Bluetooth may not work while your streaming Pandora as you drive down the road using the calculator, but I didn't really try any of that.
CM7 Inspire 4G
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You have a newer build? Mine is 1007, sucked eggs without a nudge.
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Mine is 1009 and GPS doesn't work on any custom ROM, used to work on stock 2.1.
Before you read this and blast me for being impatient I want you to know that this is purely a question and I am truly grateful for all the developers we have working on the Charge Development.
Being that this is my first smartphone, I don't really know how long development takes and how much work goes into it. So my question is, how long before we see a Gingerbread ROM? Do the developers have to wait until a test build is leaked for the phone from Samsung or is development probably going on right now?
What about a Google Stock Froyo experience (you know without Touchwiz or Launcher Pro or anything like that)? I've heard a lot of people who like the Google experience better than anything else so I'm just wondering if that is in the works?
Once again I'm not trying to get on anyone's back I'm just purely wondering if these things are in development or if we will ever see these on the Charge.
Thanks
For most devices, especially CDMA, going from the ROM that shipped with the phone to a working AOSP ROM (Google Experience if you will) takes several months. With Samsung phones, it takes longer from what I've seen. The biggest problem that anyone trying to do this will encounter is the dual-RIL (needed for cell radios), and could be what prevents a full AOSP ROM from ever happening. A lot of people would love AOSP, but it is much easier said than done.
Hi,
I recently installed Dexter's rom on my xt720 as I wanted to use the app2sd. All went well except I realized there was less memory available now then before.
About 50 megs only now and I think it was more in the 70 to 80 megs free before.
Is there a better ROM to install or some options I can tweak to make it as fast as it can, I already changed my sdcard to a level 10 one and that alone is a nice start for recording videos but I would like to play games on it and it's not that great right now with this free RAM.
Thx for the help, there is a lot of infos on this site but I'm afraid I need some directions!
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Hi,
I recently installed Dexter's rom on my xt720 as I wanted to use the app2sd. All went well except I realized there was less memory available now then before.
About 50 megs only now and I think it was more in the 70 to 80 megs free before.
Is there a better ROM to install or some options I can tweak to make it as fast as it can, I already changed my sdcard to a level 10 one and that alone is a nice start for recording videos but I would like to play games on it and it's not that great right now with this free RAM.
Thx for the help, there is a lot of infos on this site but I'm afraid I need some directions!
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Dexters ROM has been known to have RAM issues and with use it will slowly go down even further. There are many newer ROM's available which you could try out. Specifically The Hellmonger XDA special or Mioze7Ae's CM6. If you are a hardcore gamer, which these ROM's you can activate swap and use applications like chainfire 3D which will allow you to play most games you want. If this is what you choose to do, then we will give you more instructions on how to go about it.
gu3vara said:
Hi,
I recently installed Dexter's rom on my xt720 as I wanted to use the app2sd. All went well except I realized there was less memory available now then before.
About 50 megs only now and I think it was more in the 70 to 80 megs free before.
Is there a better ROM to install or some options I can tweak to make it as fast as it can, I already changed my sdcard to a level 10 one and that alone is a nice start for recording videos but I would like to play games on it and it's not that great right now with this free RAM.
Thx for the help, there is a lot of infos on this site but I'm afraid I need some directions!
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If you want probably one of the most stable ROMs in my opinion, then u have to try the Wanhu Epic SteelBlue. AFAIK, it has no memory issues and plays games smoothly with rare force closes and till today no random reboots. it supports app2ext and link2sd if im not wrong. Hope that helps!
I finally went with the MiuiXt_Final_V2 and it's running much better, with plenty of ram available.
Three questions though : I have no sound when recording a video, is it normal and is there a fix?
The swap works fine, but do I have to fastboot the phone every time I reboot it, using my computer and all?
I'm starting to figure how things work....!
Thx
gu3vara said:
I finally went with the MiuiXt_Final_V2 and it's running much better, with plenty of ram available.
Three questions though : I have no sound when recording a video, is it normal and is there a fix?
The swap works fine, but do I have to fastboot the phone every time I reboot it, using my computer and all?
I'm starting to figure how things work....!
Thx
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Thats great. MIUI is supposedly the fastest ROM along with CM6 and it does have alot of cool features. I haven't used it since the beta phase, and I believe the stock moto camera application was ported to the phone so you shouldnt be having any trouble with the sound. It would make more sense if you ask on the MIUI thread as people who use it will guide you better with the quirks on that ROM.
Unfortunately yes you have to fastboot everytime the phone reboots. The reason for this is swap uses a custom kernel. The kernel is that peice of computer language which communicates between your hardware and software. Our phone has a locked bootloader which inturn prevents us from flashing kernels besides the official motorola one. I do however know on the MIUI rom there is a quick reboot option which people use which keeps the kernel loaded. You can use that when you need to reboot.
I found the quick reboot function, thx!
I have no problem with sound when recording anymore, don't know why it failed the first time I tried it
This rom is much more stable than dexter's version, really glad I installed it.
Hello to you all
Now I'm using ThiaiZ03D Prada version, which is fine for me. But I was wondering (...not if it blends) but if is necessary or if is good to overclock the CPU.
Is it useful, safe and/or necessary to do OC? And which is the best speed to take it to safely. On which ROM? Acura, Rushdroid, Meemo23's XPlay3D ROM or...
And what about battery life, normally it would drain faster...or not?
And which of all these ROMs made for speed is the most complete - I mean for 3D (cause for this reason I bought the phone), HDMI and all other stuffs that some people are saying that in some ROMs are not working.
Thanks for taking time to read my thread and, hopefully taking time to answer it, cause there are lots of ROMs and lots of people are getting confused of all these choices..
Thanks to all the devs for feeding us with ROMs... Maybe someone from LG would take a peek to all these and, even more, hire some of these guys.
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Hello to you all
Now I'm using ThiaiZ03D Prada version, which is fine for me. But I was wondering (...not if it blends) but if is necessary or if is good to overclock the CPU.
Is it useful, safe and/or necessary to do OC? And which is the best speed to take it to safely. On which ROM? Acura, Rushdroid, Meemo23's XPlay3D ROM or...
And what about battery life, normally it would drain faster...or not?
And which of all these ROMs made for speed is the most complete - I mean for 3D (cause for this reason I bought the phone), HDMI and all other stuffs that some people are saying that in some ROMs are not working.
Thanks for taking time to read my thread and, hopefully taking time to answer it, cause there are lots of ROMs and lots of people are getting confused of all these choices..
Thanks to all the devs for feeding us with ROMs... Maybe someone from LG would take a peek to all these and, even more, hire some of these guys.
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Custom roms to be honest is all the same it's the tweaks we put into them that separate our roms from each other.. You have to try them to really make a choice. You can't just guess and say this one is better before you actually go about trying the roms.
And oc is not really needed 1ghz is just fine but if you do have overclock of 1.2 use set cpu to put it back down to 1ghz and when you game and it feels laggy bump it back up to 1.2ghz again...
All stock custom roms hdmi works no questions about it.. Only cm7 and cm7.2 roms are the ones that have no 3D function and hdmi function as of yet..
And people on here confuse them self's without actually reading and flashing a rom or either the dev makes a mistake in which case we fix it right away.
Like i said a custom rom is dependent on the users choice you have to try it to love it but before that you really can't take someone else's word for it. So go out and explorer and find what you like the best..
Thanks Meemo... at this very moment I'm downloading your XPlay 3D... I'll give it a try