Is this Xoom pure Google experience Android tablet?
Meaning that it will get update directly from Google instead of Motorola ...
If so, that would seal the deal for me. I am already thinking about getting two for my wife and I, but Pure Google Experience would make this thing damn near magical in my mind.
gogol said:
Is this Xoom pure Google experience Android tablet?
Meaning that it will get update directly from Google instead of Motorola ...
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no i think it has MotoBlur on it. it will take a long time for updates like samsung or htc
There is no MotoBlur on it. Hopefully it will have an unlocked bootloader, simple root access and updates from Google though.
Not pure android, but as close as you're gonna get without AOSPing it yourself.
Think about the original Droid, this is the equivalent tablet.
You are not getting updates from Google though, you are getting them from Moto/Verizon.
Hmmm ...
Then Xoom is the same like the LG G-Slate ...
Both are NOT pure Google experience ... which we must wait either Motorola or LG to provide software update ...
That is sucks ...
Then I might wait for HTC Honeycomb tablet because to my opinion HTC is more open and give update more often / faster than those 2 companies.
JCopernicus said:
Not pure android, but as close as you're gonna get without AOSPing it yourself.
Think about the original Droid, this is the equivalent tablet.
You are not getting updates from Google though, you are getting them from Moto/Verizon.
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Motorola seems to be pretty good with updates actually, apart from the cliq and very low end devices.
The Xoom will not be ruined by MotoBlur, thankfully, but no pure AOSP. However, since it's a premiere/flagship/whatever device, no doubt updates will be coming.
Unlocked? Doubt it. But that's what XDA is for
Google has stated several times that the Xoom is their "lead Honeycomb device" whether or not it means they will handling it themselves, alone, is unknown.
It has not been confirmed that Motorola will be updating the device themselves.
Also Honeycomb on the Xoom, at least as it seems, was not modified by Motorola. Therefore I would assume that it is stock 3.0. It hasn't been touched by anyone else but Google. Where was it confirmed that it was not pure AOSP?
Except that the Xoom debuted as Moto's and Verizon's product back in January, because of this you can expect it to not be pure AOSP, at the very least the tethering functionality will me messed with so that verizon can get their greedy cut.
Google is just helping out and using it to develop tablet functionality.
If this was a Google Device, you wouldn't be seein actual proper marketing for it. *snicker*
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Except that the Xoom debuted as Moto's and Verizon's product back in January, because of this you can expect it to not be pure AOSP, at the very least the tethering functionality will me messed with so that verizon can get their greedy cut.
Google is just helping out and using it to develop tablet functionality.
If this was a Google Device, you wouldn't be seen actual proper marketing for it. *snicker*
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I assumed Google simply used Verizon to market the device and allow it to be on a major network, then asked Motorola to make the device for them.
Obviously I was wrong.
Apparently Google isn't going the way of it's phones and making a "Nexus" line for tablets. It seemed that from now on with each new major release of Android we would get a flagship, AOSP device from Google themselves.
Yeah, this doesnt appear to be a Google/Nexus device, unfortunately. Silver lining is that it seems like Moto isn't futzing with it TOO much, probably to get it out in time to compete and get a head start on the ipad2.
sure of that?
To clarify, Motorola XOOM is a Google Experience Device and the first tablet to incorporate Android 3.0 Honeycomb. As such, Motorola Mobility has worked closely with Google to develop and optimize the Honeycomb OS on XOOM, and has no plans to customize the software with MotoBlur
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The above came from intomobile site and I also found contradictions from other motorola execs that blur could come later.
Of course the words "no plans" doesn't preclude them coming up with a plan.
Perhaps we're looking at a saner 3-party update model for Xoom? Carrier for the radio firmware and crapware (as long as I can remove it), the manufacturer for driver level hardware facing stuff and the Goog for all else. Of course this assumes no blur.
"planned obsolescence" is the big issue here.
this is a pure google experience stop coming up with non sense about moto blur because you won't ever see it on the xoom
Holy thread necro, batmam!
The way I'm seeing it (pure speculation). Is that it might not being a full on "Nexus" device. At worse it is on par with the original Droid. If it was wifi only I would think it would be better as Verizon wouldn't have a say in the firmware update, but there is a 3g verizon version so that might effect update (even for the wifi only version)
one of the thing i like to mention is, the last patch/upgrade on the XOOM.
the file 99b3b5f5dcde.signed-trygon-HRI66-from-HRI39.99b3b5f5.zip doesn't seems to come directly from google servers.
i have tried to search for any download link that is directly from google, but no luck. most of them are like cache copy on megaupload or somewhere else.
unlink the nexus line of phones, you are able to get the download directly from google servers. something like below.
http://android.clients.google.com/p...signed-passion-GRI40-from-FRG83G.81304b2d.zip
my conclusion is that the updates will not come directly from google, but from motorola. hence proving that this is not a official google support device.
just a thought.
again, i might be wrong.
The FUD around this device is out of control.
If I were a mod I'd have to warn a large % of this thread.
If those fear mongering took one minute you could find an article such as this: http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/21/motorola-xoom-android-motoblur/
Which confirms that, yes, the Xoom is a pure android experience device, and no, it will not be seeing motoblur.
How are debunked rumors still circulating?
(quote from the article)
To clarify, Motorola XOOM is a Google Experience Device and the first tablet to incorporate Android 3.0 Honeycomb. As such, Motorola Mobility has worked closely with Google to develop and optimize the Honeycomb OS on XOOM, and has no plans to customize the software with MotoBlur.
inrelief said:
The FUD around this device is out of control.
If I were a mod I'd have to warn a large % of this thread.
If those fear mongering took one minute you could find an article such as this: http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/21/motorola-xoom-android-motoblur/
Which confirms that, yes, the Xoom is a pure android experience device, and no, it will not be seeing motoblur.
How are debunked rumors still circulating?
(quote from the article)
To clarify, Motorola XOOM is a Google Experience Device and the first tablet to incorporate Android 3.0 Honeycomb. As such, Motorola Mobility has worked closely with Google to develop and optimize the Honeycomb OS on XOOM, and has no plans to customize the software with MotoBlur.
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Agreed, that still doesn't make it a Nexus or a developer device. Meaning that Motorola is most likely to be the one responsible for updating the device.
Like it was mentioned countless of time, see this as the original DROID and history should repeat itself for updates as well as not being soiled with Motoblur.
inrelief said:
The FUD around this device is out of control.
If I were a mod I'd have to warn a large % of this thread.
If those fear mongering took one minute you could find an article such as this: http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/21/motorola-xoom-android-motoblur/
Which confirms that, yes, the Xoom is a pure android experience device, and no, it will not be seeing motoblur.
How are debunked rumors still circulating?
(quote from the article)
To clarify, Motorola XOOM is a Google Experience Device and the first tablet to incorporate Android 3.0 Honeycomb. As such, Motorola Mobility has worked closely with Google to develop and optimize the Honeycomb OS on XOOM, and has no plans to customize the software with MotoBlur.
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Apparently this is the fox news version of a xoom thread. No fact checking
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Samsung Captivate Android OS 2.2 Upgrade Released Then Quickly Pulled
By Ed Hardy, Brighthand.com Editor | 2/17/2011
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The long-awaited upgrade to Android OS 2.2 (Froyo) for AT&T's Samsung Captivate was released today... only to be quickly withdrawn.
Currently, it's not clear if this system software upgrade was released by mistake, or if a bug was found in it almost immediately.
This is just another blow to users of the Captivate, which was released last summer with Android OS 2.1, even though the latest version of Google's mobile operating system at that time was already OS 2.2.
Although Samsung has committed to releasing an upgrade for this model, and at one point said this would be available by the end of November, users of this smartphone are still waiting.
Since then, Google has introduced Android OS 2.3, which is currently available only on the Samsung Nexus S.
New in Android OS 2.2 (Froyo)
Android OS 2.2 is required for devices to run Adobe Flash Player 10.1, which allows the web browser to fully make use of websites that use Flash for navigation, games, and showing video.
This version of Google's operating system also contains a number of other enhancements, such as faster performance thanks to a new JIT compiler and the ability to store applications on a removable memory card.
In addition, Samsung has promised that this system software upgrade will include a fix for a bug that sometimes causes these smartphones to be unable to get a GPS lock.
source: brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=17530&news=Samsung+Captivate+Google+Android+OS+2.2+Froyo+Upgrade
Also, see:
gizmocrunch.com/android/5414-samsung-captivate-froyo-update
This news is days old and there have been at least 5 threads about this already...mods please close this.
/flameon
something pretty significant has happened (release of froyo source for both epic and vibrant). Both were released pretty quietly and have started seeing some reports of the epics push starting the 21st.
I don't think it will be long before we see the source released for the captivate.
Its kind of weird for me personally...
Do I really care about the official Froyo 2.2? Not really...
Do I want AT&T/Samsung to release it? If they promised it, they should...
I only want to see it release to know that a major company kept their word. Plus, if it helps the devs here release other ROMs based on a true US Cappy build, then I'm all for it.
I'd like to see it released, but I'm not so sure that I'll be rushing back to stock so I can update to it.
And the story is wrong. Froyo was never released... no one downloaded it.
The only thing that was released was some instructional pages.
Posting a story that is wrong is even worse then posting rumors.
So, I had idea, and I don't know if it's been done. I wondered if it would be useful to create a list of as many phones made by each manufacturer as possible, include the launch date, and determine the date of the last update provided. Based on this, we could take an average of how long each manufacturer provides updates for their devices before EOLing hardware (even though it's usually an artificial EOL since the devices are more than capable of running current releases). Would anyone be interested in this data, and would anyone like to assist me in this pursuit?
Interesting idea and it may take a lot of data analysis to figure that out.
Also something to consider is that does it differ by region? I spoke to one of my friends who works in Hong Kong Fortress (a big box store like Best Buy) and for HK, supposedly Sony and Samsung get the quickest updates. Him mentioning Sony definitely surprised me. After that it's HTC and then LG. except for the Nexus 4 of course.. I can attest to LG since my last phone Optimux 2X took forever to get updates available.
Also note that in HK, Motorola has pretty much given up on the market, so I don't think any of their phones get updates here anymore.
Your biggest issue will be that the OEMs dont control updates in alot of places. The carriers have most of the power when it comes to updates. The OEM may send them an update but the carrier can refuse to push the update to handsets.
of course,sony and samsung privde updates the fastest and newer versions of android(samsung updates its 2 year old dual cores to 4.2.2 adn some of them come from 2.3).Htc is also up with updates,but a bit slower.Well,lg is out of the list.They never update their phones.The promised a ics update for my e730 last summer and i still run on gb
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of course,sony and samsung privde updates the fastest and newer versions of android(samsung updates its 2 year old dual cores to 4.2.2 adn some of them come from 2.3).Htc is also up with updates,but a bit slower.Well,lg is out of the list.They never update their phones.The promised a ics update for my e730 last summer and i still run on gb
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This sounds about right. Those "Dual-core" phones were the Galaxy i9100 and the S2 Skyrocket variant for AT&T for 4.1.2. Instead of Sony: I would put ASUS next. Their TF300 got the 4.2 update back in March. In-fact: ASUS Support has no restrictions about recommending Custom ROMs and will even link you to a few.
Sony and LG are like....eh. I'd even add HTC to the list. They put out a list, but it's ages before we hear from them again.
I dream of a future when we have open platforms and we can update devices at our will...
the best is samsung and the worst is LG
naxian said:
the best is samsung and the worst is LG
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Yes LG is indeed the worst. The official GINGERBREAD update came out for the Optimus 2X in December 2012... and it was extremely buggy, pretty much unusable. Needless to say I ditched the phone in March.
I just pre-ordered the phone and I'm curious what the long term support is going to be like. I did some googling and didn't really find any solid evidence that they will support the phone after release.
Has anyone owned their products in the past and received major Android upgrades?
They are not up to par with Motorola or anything, but I googled and was able to find an old link explaining how to upgrade to ICS for a prior phone:
http://www.alcatelonetouch.com/global-en/support/faq/ot-995ics-fota.html
Hopefully since this is their flagship phone, there are some developers that will work on bringing updates to the phone
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Also found confirmation of updates from the SVP of US branch an hour or two ago: http://androidandme.com/2015/05/new...l-3-launch-updates-and-giveaway-announcement/
We’re committed to ensuring that we always have the very best user experience possible and plan to have Idol 3 software updates available to consumers via over-the-air updates. Timing on these updates will be on a rolling basis as needed.
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Do you know if, usually, with Alcatel on xda, we may have, at least, a rooted device + a custom recovery to make backups...?
That's what I'd like to know before I purchase one.
So I've been thinking. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I think the wait for the update won't be nearly as long as years past.... The reasoning behind my theory is the fact that Samsung didn't fragment the devices this time around. We always seen the Exynos (international versions) get the update within a month of release. And then snap dragons always took 4-5 months probably because of the out of house support and the carriers slowing down the process.. I'm thinking a month or two tops. Thoughts?
Samsung Exynos ( Drivers Team) have to provide the new validated drivers for each operating system release. so does other vendors (WiFi, Bluetooth, Cellular radio modem). Driver need to be tested then handed over to Software Development team for testing and integration.
meanwhile i am sure software team would be testing preview build code and developing new feature or integrating into their software. after driver integration comes testing and QA. usually these brands have much bigger and restrict Quality assurance team.
Then it is released in international variant as it does not require any certification from cell phone carriers. on carrier variant it has to be certified by carrier QA team.
that's why it take a long time for vendor like(Samsung HTC , LG) a long time to push update on carrier phones.
as far marshmallow update is concern. its based on lollipop with major overhaul in permissions and ART optimization. Samsung would update all the apps to utilize new permission model plus testing.
i think realistic guess would be 2 months minimum. we could see a update for international model within 2 months. personally i would like to have in 2 weeks but thats not gonna happen. i can wait for 2-3 month however given that the update is free of bugs.
small vendors like one plus and other can't fix issue due to small team. like touch screen issues i still have and they fix in one update and screw in next.
i haven't seen Samsung push a faulty update (though some issues of memory leak were due to google's buggy code) Samsung does not have control over.
muzamalabad said:
Samsung Exynos ( Drivers Team) have to provide the new validated drivers for each operating system release. so does other vendors (WiFi, Bluetooth, Cellular radio modem). Driver need to be tested then handed over to Software Development team for testing and integration.
meanwhile i am sure software team would be testing preview build code and developing new feature or integrating into their software. after driver integration comes testing and QA. usually these brands have much bigger and restrict Quality assurance team.
Then it is released in international variant as it does not require any certification from cell phone carriers. on carrier variant it has to be certified by carrier QA team.
that's why it take a long time for vendor like(Samsung HTC , LG) a long time to push update on carrier phones..
as far marshmallow update is concern. its based on lollipop with major overhaul in permissions and ART optimization. Samsung would update all the apps to utilize new permission model plus testing.
i think realistic guess would be 2 months minimum. we could see a update for international model within 2 months. personally i would like to have in 2 weeks but thats not gonna happen. i can wait for 2-3 month however given that the update is free of bugs.
small vendors like one plus and other can't fix issue due to small team. like touch screen issues i still have and they fix in one update and screw in next.
i haven't seen Samsung push a faulty update (though some issues of memory leak were due to google's buggy code) Samsung does not have control over.
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Well said!!!!