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Windows Applications on Android phones

Does anyone know if we can use the same Windows apps on an Android device such as Hero?
Thx

No you can't.
Besides...that would be pointless.

Who cares about Android... the point is that some of use still love using windows apps in lieu of cheap and ugly android apps providing substitute functionalities in god's name by open source oses... I LOVE OFFICE I LOVE WINDOWS AND Hate having to use android on Samsung galaxy tab...

What is so good about Android OS ?

Everyone here and there are saying android is the OS of the future. Android should be on HD2. Android is Open Source etc etc
Whats so cool about it?
Lets make some comparison (from my point of view, you may differ)
Apple OS
Advantages
1 Amazing Smooth Graphics Best in its class
2 Logical GUI again Bsst in its class
Disadvantages
1 I need itunes to get some music suppose say friends pc.
2 I cannot use it as pen Drive.
Windows Mobile OS
Advantages
1 Can be alternate for most of PC's work.
2 Installing Music, soft is a breeze.
3 I use pc at work and home so modying to my taste is easy.
Disadvantages
1 Outdated Interface like still using windows 98 when Windows 7 is out.
2 GUI is more inclined for PC like task but shuld by changed logically to smartphone
Android OS
Advantages
1 Open Source ???????
Disadvantages
1 Open Source - Look where is linux, Its fine for complex computing but for everyday joe... noo
I think Windows mobile will bounce back with wm7/8. But Iphone Os and Blackberry will continue to haunt it for a while.

If you use it you will know what is so good, there are many features that android has over apple :
ADV:
-Multi-tasking
-3rd party apps
-exchange support
-customization
-push emails to phone
-multiple emails can be setup
-price is lower than iphone
-OS layers(Sense,Blur,Pulse,timescape,liquid,etc)
I dont have any disadvantages but im sure someone else can post those.

apple.
-no multitasking
-came up with 3 os updates just to get copy/paste.
-not customizable
windows mobile-
compatible with any computer
-gps is hackable
-customizable
-has word mobile
CONS with wm-
-6.5 is only 6.1, just a little bit more friendly
-need outside resources to sync with mac
-many different screen sizes/phones for apps, so takes longer

Ace42 said:
If you use it you will know what is so good, there are many features that android has over apple :
ADV:
-Multi-tasking
-3rd party apps
-exchange support
-customization
-push emails to phone
-multiple emails can be setup
-price is lower than iphone
-OS layers(Sense,Blur,Pulse,timescape,liquid,etc)
I dont have any disadvantages but im sure someone else can post those.
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Windows OS supports all of these namely
Multi tasking
3rd party apps
exchange support
puse emails
multiple emails
price is still lower than iphone except
but whats OS layers sense,blur,pulse,timescape,liquird etc if its like os interface software than windows alos habe htc sense , spb shell etc . and may improve with wm7.
Iphone has the smoothest graphics and animation, windows os is flexible and most tweakable.
so for me Windows OS wins on features... even its not too finger firiendly

ya ya ya ya ...

waqqqas said:
ya ya ya ya ...
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For a first post, I'm rather disappointed. If you have nothing sensible to say, best to say nothing at all
Hopefully your 2nd post will have had more thought put into it

waqqqas said:
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Thanks and welcome to xda
Fallen Spartan said:
For a first post, I'm rather disappointed. If you have nothing sensible to say, best to say nothing at all
Hopefully your 2nd post will have had more thought put into it
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I was also thinking same about his first post. But coming back to topic - Whats good about android when all the functionality i can get in WM.

rahulelectra said:
Thanks and welcome to xda
I was also thinking same about his first post. But coming back to topic - Whats good about android when all the functionality i can get in WM.
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Well, it's a little less outdated. WM is getting past mature almost into old, it still has some life though, however I feel it can't compete with Android. Spend a week with an Android device (namely the Nexus One) and you'll be amazed

Webos!
Can we throw webos from palm in the mix?
Pros
--Gorgeous UI
--Amazing ability for syncing
--3rd party promgrams
--Amazing multitasking
--Very hackable
--Very Customizable
--Gets flash in next update
--Super fast growing amount of apps (though limited at the moment)
Cons
-- Features that should have been standard have to be turned on through developer mode.
--Could use more hardware options
--Not enough apps.
To me, Webos stands out and above

android os has many pros and cons, as does iphone os, windows mobile isout of the match and windows phone 7 isnt really for developers but has many pros, its a matter of taste, whatever you like or suits you, their all good, just going around talking crap about each os is stupid, sorry but your a big time a**hole.

Simply because it is open source.

rahulelectra said:
Everyone here and there are saying android is the OS of the future. Android should be on HD2. Android is Open Source etc etc
Whats so cool about it?
Lets make some comparison (from my point of view, you may differ)
Apple OS
Advantages
1 Amazing Smooth Graphics Best in its class
2 Logical GUI again Bsst in its class
Disadvantages
1 I need itunes to get some music suppose say friends pc.
2 I cannot use it as pen Drive.
Windows Mobile OS
Advantages
1 Can be alternate for most of PC's work.
2 Installing Music, soft is a breeze.
3 I use pc at work and home so modying to my taste is easy.
Disadvantages
1 Outdated Interface like still using windows 98 when Windows 7 is out.
2 GUI is more inclined for PC like task but shuld by changed logically to smartphone
Android OS
Advantages
1 Open Source ???????
Disadvantages
1 Open Source - Look where is linux, Its fine for complex computing but for everyday joe... noo
I think Windows mobile will bounce back with wm7/8. But Iphone Os and Blackberry will continue to haunt it for a while.
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Hi to XDA!
For me android and iOS rule the roost.
Here are my reasons
- Android has the second biggest app ecosystem at this time. nearly 500,000 apps. Compare that to WM's less than 80,000
- The tweakability factor for Android is just ridiculous. The things you can do with the OS can't be compared with any other OS.
- True multi-tasking with the newer phones
- App refunds!
- Google Sync, the biggest email provider in the world at this moment
- As a developer, Linux is very easy. C# which is used to code for WM, is really difficult. Android has provided with us with an easy to use SDK, WM still is trying to get it right.
- If you were talking about WIN CE and not WP, then it was good at that time. But it never took off and is dead at that time.

Windows Mobile 7 Features leaked!

WP 7 features are leaking all over the net. Let me list them :
· WP7 will be announced at MWC, and there will be a demo, but this will be just the UX
· MIX will have specific developement focus sessions on WP7
· WP7 supports both Sliverlight (out of browser) and XNA
· Silverlight is version 3.0, with elements of 4.0 plus mobile specific features such as sensors etc
· XNA apps can be developed using XNA GameStudio 3.1
· SL apps developed using Expression Blend 3.x and VS2010
· MS will release a mobile version of VS / Expression which will be free, and VS2010 / Expression Pro will have a free add-on
· WP7 will have an equivalent of .NET CF embedded into SL, but no SQL.
· WP7 will have isolated storage which is accessible using LINQ
· The UX of WP7 is based upon a theme called “METRO” and is similar to Zune HD, but with a completely new “Start” screen.
· No multi-tasking (applications will pause when in the background, however they will support notifications using the MS Push Notifications environment)
· No .NET CF backwards compatibility, however a proportion of the data and business logic in .NET CF could be ported
· MS were confident to have devices ready for Sep 2010
· No MS manufactured device, however much tighter control of manufactring process, so as an example each device has a 3D processing chipset, and MS provide all of the device drivers. So no platform builder. This enables OTA updates and simplified model for ODM’s
· Marketplace will support buy and try before you buy, as well as an API
· ODM / OEM will not be able to modify the “Start” screen, so no more HTC Sense / TouchFlo etc.
· MS are actually ahead of schedule which will surprise the analysts / journalists
· Browsing experience is currently faster / better than iPhone 3G, and they are aiming towards 3GS.
· Browser is based upon desktop IE7 codebase, but with some IE8 functionality
· No in browser Flash or SL
· WP7 has full integration with XBOX Live, and ability to purchase games
· WP7 will use the Zune software for music, videos, photos sync
· WP7 only supports app installation through service based delivery i.e. marketplace, so no side-loading
· MS will provide a hosted push notifications environment
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While this might disappoint most but I for one am really happy to see that Microsoft is finally taking this seriously and has worked on WM7 from ground up!
Finally we will be able to get the User Experience comparable to iPhone/Android! Xbox Live and Zune integration sounds totally awesome!

Well this would be the media edition of the phone.... and all the OEM's will sport the 'professional' version of the phone...makes sense.

Still that won't make any Extreme Changes. The basic UI will remain the same. I feel there won't be any major differences User Interface wise between Windows Mobile 7 versions...they've already disallowed 3rd Party UI!

Im afraid your wrong . HTC have already said they will continue supporting Sense 3D on WinMo7, now they wouldnt have been able to do that if MS is going to lock down the UI.
I think/heard there will be 2 versions of the OS, the zune version which is what you see above (this will run on MS hardware, pretty much like the zune) and all the OEM's such as HTC, Toshiba, SE, etc etc will run the pro version of the OS which will similar to what we are used to...how different the OS will be in terms of GUI will be interesting to see, i sure hope that the zune version doesnt get all the goodies.

"WP7 only supports app installation through service based delivery i.e. marketplace, so no side-loading"
Does that mean we could not anymore install cab files from xda.dev ?

How far the new OS is going to be customizable is still to be seen. I think they will keep everything closed just like the iPhone and only allow limited modifications.

no multi tasking?... ... ...the point is???

If the above features are true ... Good bye WinMo7
I will go with Android (Or iPhone 4.0?) ...

^Could not wait and have already went over to the dark side...android is very cool best thing I've done!

this looks like some fanboys conspiracy
all windows mobile power (from the users point of view) that its so customizable and like micro computer
if wm7 gonna be kind of an iphone people will prefer the real iphone its perfect in its own limited way...

I can only say, if winmo drops multi-tasking, I'll drop winmo.
Gee. if people want a iPhone they'll get one.
Not everyone may be able to afford a 1ghz processor now, but the future's going to catch up before winmo7 comes out anyway.

tuksedra said:
no multi tasking?... ... ...the point is???
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Think of the pleasure to be got from watching WinMophiles having to admit to iPhonatics that WinMo is now even worse at multi-tasking than the iPhone is! (rotfl)

moooxooom said:
I can only say, if winmo drops multi-tasking, I'll drop winmo.
Gee. if people want a iPhone they'll get one.
Not everyone may be able to afford a 1ghz processor now, but the future's going to catch up before winmo7 comes out anyway.
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x2!!!
Without Multi-Tasking, HTC Sense and not be able to install whatever I want in where I want, I will never buy a new winmo pda phone again...
I'll guess I'll have to go to Android or in the worst case to iPhone

Multi-Tasking would be indeed a absolute no-go. I'm sure, that will never NOT happen.
I hope, you're also in the future allowed to install what you want where you want. I hate these Iphone restrictions. Let's hope, this will not gonna happen for WM.

I think companies are going paranoid... don't understand why many restrictions when on the desktop side u can do whatever u want... because of a majority of dumbs, that don't even know how to shutdown a computer, the rest of us have to suffer of these limitations...

No multi-tasking means I'm sticking with 6.5.3 (or whatever they call it) or going with Android.
Don't they realize that competing with Apple in Apple's arena will only get them smoked PLUS alienate their fanbase? We go to WinMo because we DON'T want iphone os. What we do want is a rebuilt, faster, better WinMo os that is just as customizable as the current os.
Seriously, if they are planning on putting out a winphone os, they are going to lose. period.

fb401 said:
No multi-tasking means I'm sticking with 6.5.3 (or whatever they call it) or going with Android.
Don't they realize that competing with Apple in Apple's arena will only get them smoked PLUS alienate their fanbase? We go to WinMo because we DON'T want iphone os. What we do want is a rebuilt, faster, better WinMo os that is just as customizable as the current os.
Seriously, if they are planning on putting out a winphone os, they are going to lose. period.
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What he said

Maybe they will remove the file manager. If they remove the file manager, the device is no more PDA.

fb401 said:
We go to WinMo because we DON'T want iphone os.
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"We" aren't exactly a mass market, though. There were considerably more iPhones sold in the last 12 months than every single model of Windows Mobile phone put together. (WinMo is currently a distant fourth in the smartphone market behind Symbian, RIM and iPhone, with Android closing). The bulk of those who still buy WinMo phones are corporate customers. If abandoning the needs of a tiny minority of users (i.e. us) will net Microsoft a substantially improved marketshare, you can bet they'll do just that.
Having said that, I'm inclined to view this particular rumour with some suspicion; at the very least, with other rumours persistently claiming that there is more than one version of WM7 in the offing, it certainly makes no sense to assume, at this stage, that every available version will be like this.

sigh..........
I really hope some of this is not true. And I will wait until some formal announcement to make up my mind BUT if true, no multitasking, no user UI customization, no apps installed to sd card, all apps through the Marketplace?? Had I wanted to live in a walled garden I would have already bought an Iphone.
I've been using WinMo PDAs and phones for more years than I care to admit. Maybe it is time to simplify my life and get a dumb phone and swear off tech. Guess I can start carrying around all my passwords written down in a code again in my purse (shades of the 80's here except that I have a bunch more and they are all pretty complicated now- I do love my ewallet). grrrrrrr...............

Why iphone OS is better than WM?

Any one can explain why Iphone can run graphics more smooth than WM?
I have HTC Touch HD and i test a lot of cooked roms and an official roms but it still slowly.
The hardware of Iphone is better than my HTC HD?
Regards

This might have been the wrong place to ask that question, but have you seen how simple the OS for the iPhone is? If you compare it with WM, it's just a start menu with tweaks. If you did that to WM, it'd fly as well too because it has no reason to use up it's power or memory in keeping a very nice interface smooth.

Good evening, don't forget that Windows Mobile (WinCE) is way older than Iphone... Microsoft WinCE was created in 1996 beetwin that time and now, things have change 3g, smartphone, colour-screen, wifi,... Windows Mobile is not ready it's like a wall with 15 layer of wallpaper. While Iphone is new it's developed with all this technologies built-in like a wall with only one wallpaper and the best one.
Between Cassipeia A20 and latest HTC... it's been a long way.

hugomenezes said:
Any one can explain why Iphone can run graphics more smooth than WM?
I have HTC Touch HD and i test a lot of cooked roms and an official roms but it still slowly.
The hardware of Iphone is better than my HTC HD?
Regards
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what windows mobile can do that iphone cannot..
1st windows can unzip RAR,zip...etc.. alot kind of format when company send u a email that have attachment in ZIP that iphone unable to read the file. but windows mobile can!
2nd playing play with fews friend on wifi local game network on laptop connecting windows mobile.but iphone cannot!
3rd windows mobile can play FLASH format. but iphone cannot!
4th windows mobile able to support more video/audio codec. but iphone cannot!
5th windows mobile can download bittorrent!. but iphone cannot
6th windows mobile can change battery when ur battery is low. but iphone cannot!
7th windows mobile more app.
8th windows mobile can sync any song/video and other without installing itunes.but iphone must install itunes to add video or song
9th windows mobile can share song/video/photo other file but iphone cannot!
sorry too many to add.. lazy

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hugomenezes said:
Any one can explain why Iphone can run graphics more smooth than WM?
The hardware of Iphone is better than my HTC HD?
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The GPU is faster; generally PowerVR versus Adrena 200 (AMD Z430). Has nothing to do with the OS. In my opinion, the Apple OS approach is way too restrictive.

One thing WiMo can not do that the iPhone can is WPA2-Enterprise authentication without a certificate. But that's about it. At the end of the day, I don't miss my iPhone, very happy with my HTC HD2.

Well.. if you are comparing iOS with WiMo.. you might aswell add Android.
Well, personally I prefer both Android and WinMo over iOS.
why?
basically, because you can do more with both android and WinMo without rooting/jailbreaking the device. Than you could with an non-jailbroken iPhone.
with Android and Winmo:
- You can use your phone as a wi-fi hotspot
- Download different movie/media players
- Brows your files on your device and/or computer
- etc
However..
You can't add icons onto your desktop in WinMo. Neither can you add folders on your own(It is possible that i've been missing something here ofc).
Both the Android and iOS platform has devices that does support games with smooth graphics(as you call it).
And I find that the App store and Android Market is better than the WinMo market.
But that might just be me.
Both Android and WinMo got devices with harware keyboard. Witch is something the iOS does not have. I did not like to use my iPhone with wet fingers, same goes for most touch screens that i've used. However, that is not that big of an issue with a hardware keyboard.
You can also have widgets in android(You can also do this in WinMo if you download the right app for it. But I can't remember the name) I.e you can place a weather forecast on your desktop/lockscreen. On iOS however, you will have to click the apps icon, wait for the loading and then refresh to see the weather.
Same goes for the calendar.. In android I can see my appointments straight on the home screen.. However on the iOS I have to enter the Calendar app.
All in all, here is the way I would put my prefferences.
1. Android(A quite open platform. With the posibillity of adding widgets etc.)
2. WinMo 6.5+
3. iOS(I would really like to see some widgets.. atleast in the lock screen..)

I agree with ukon .
winmo is older, hence not as graphicly 'complete' if you'd like.
But it does not preform any slower than the iphone os doing the same tasks...
Winmo lets you to do anything you like, within reason... Everything mentioned above by another poster. Its not a restricted OS. Unlike the iphone os.
Android is in my opinion a lovely mix of the two.
flawless GUI, and its not restrictive.

I want a phone where I have total control: WM & Android.
NOT a phone that totally controls me: iOS
Nuff said.

phatmanxxl said:
I want a phone where I have total control: WM & Android.
NOT a phone that totally controls me: iOS
Nuff said.
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Well said!

ov2rey said:
what windows mobile can do that iphone cannot..
7th windows mobile more app.
sorry too many to add.. lazy
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Where are they hiding all those apps?

pkoper said:
Where are they hiding all those apps?
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On this little ol' think called t'interweb
Try Handango, MS Marketplace, XDA, google.
See, unlike Apple, MS don't dictate who can create and sell apps for their OS, and WM has a huge headstart on Apple.

It's not better, it just has a better marketing

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It's not better, it just has a better marketing
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Exactly.
In addition to all of the above, Steve Jobs has figured out that most people don't need complicated stuff, it's the "stupid simple and shiny interface" ratio to. "advanced fuctions". I really don't know if that's really good or bad and I guess to each his own. Sad tho that these different capabilities haven't so far put together. Maybe Android will accomplish that one day.
Oh, and the way iPhone has implemented video call is utterly rediculous. Or have they changed that restriction policy later or did someone hack it open?

hugomenezes said:
Any one can explain why Iphone can run graphics more smooth than WM?
I have HTC Touch HD and i test a lot of cooked roms and an official roms but it still slowly.
The hardware of Iphone is better than my HTC HD?
Regards
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I'm going to ignore the other posts in this topic. It seems too many are clouded by iOS hatred (I mean, "WinMo has more apps than iOS"? Really?).
As far as I know, there are a lot of factors that goes into why WinMo is not as 'smooth'/efficient as iOS. Among these factors are lack of proper GPU drivers (due to Qualcomm's licensing issues), lack of proper optimization due to multiple phone spec setup (iPhone hardware tends to be static and fully supported by Apple itself), and, perhaps most notably, Windows Mobile is a very old OS. It doesn't support a lot of modern tech in ARM CPUs.
The last reason is probably why Microsoft is finally deciding to drop Windows Mobile and develop Windows Phone.
But to get to the point, Apple doesn't have any of the issues above. iOS is modern, available on static hardware configurations, and, of course, Apple's micromanagement of its OS/app market is probably doing a lot to keep things efficient. Of course, this approach has its drawbacks too (as people here would probably love to tell), but the advantage is also obvious for the world to see.

answer the question topics. I think it smoother graphics on the iphone because the resolution is only 320x240 qvga while your touch hd is WVGA 480x800.
and it is certainly lighter os on iphone because it only displays a static icon in the menu. if you like static icons ,turn off htc sense and use titanium. or use shell menu such as spb. it'll fly
and for graphics in applications such as games. buy games from EA and Gameloft and i guarantee they run smoother than the iphone. for example Ferrari GT from gameloft. play using accelerometer on for both, you'll see which phone steer car easily

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Another quick reminder.
Such thread are usually shut, but i'm leting this be because so far it seems clean and productive, please don't turn it ugly.
Thanks
madnish30.

Developing for Android and iOS - 2 native apps or just 1 with cross-platform toolkit?

Hi,
I want to develop an app for both Android and iOS and was considering using a cross-platform toolkit. Currently I'm tending towards Appcelerator Titanium as it uses native widgets.
However, since I only really want to target 2 platforms, is it worth doing that? Or should I get myself a cheap Mac Mini (or run OSX under a VM or something) and just develop it natively for both?
Opinions of people who have developed for both platforms would be very helpful.
Regards,
Asfand Qazi

iphone / iOS now has "Alien" which can be used to run android dalvik code directly on the device, I suppose it depends what you are developing?
If your app uses ndk I don't think alien will help because the two devices are not the same inside, but pure Dalvik apps would run through alien and this would halve your dev time worrying about cross-platform issues.
I would have said flash or AIR but I have heard aple has spat the dummy again over AIR and flash apps on it's store so I'd skip that.
Also worth thinking about is something like web apps because both android and iOS support apps ased on webpages. remember it does not have to be the next microsoft office to make bucks.
Just some ideas to get the ball rolling

I'm primarily going for a native look and feel for each platform, so although those options are interesting, I don't think they would suit me. Interesting anyway though, maybe I'll use one of those for a future project.