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G Tablet coming tomorrow...would like to get some things set straight. Thanks.

Hey all,
I'm getting my G Tablet tomorrow and I'd just like to get some things clarified.
I know, the first thing some will say is USE SEARCH! Well, I did - and that's actually why I just want to get some things straight before I go down the path of modifying the device software. See, reading it all has managed to confuse me more than help me get a definitive instruction set for forging ahead.
I'm seeing the update "****s on CWM" according to a user...and then a 'fix' for that. Than I see that Gapps causes FCs for some, while it works for others. So...yeah, a little back and forth on what to do and who's instructions to follow.
Alright, so first thing's first....Should I flash the Clockwork Mod that I'm seeing available - 0.8? or is there something else I should consider or that I've missed? or maybe wait for a newer version? Should I even flash CWM if I get the newest (and I WILL be getting the newest) S/W version? Are there any downsides at all to flashing CWM on there in terms of messing with OTA updates, etc?
I read this:
"All the ROMS use a standard firmware updater that can be used by non-technical users. Here is an explanation on how it works:...."
Sooo, does that mean I can live without CWM? If an update doesn't work for some reason, will I be able to fix it or overwrite it somehow if I can't get into the tablet at all from the tablet itself? I read something about going into APX mode and putting things on through Windows, is this an infallible method?
Second of all, I read the FAQ thoroughly (I think and hope) but I'm still not 100% on what Gapps to DL or how to put a working Android Market on there especially with this new S/W update. I've seen how to 'fix' the Market to see missing apps, but not how to actually install it on the G Tablet. I may have missed that post somewhere on here.
I'm also unclear if I should get Gapps or not at all, as I've read that some have FCs on there while others do not - so what's the general consensus in light of this update that was just released as of Dec. 21, 2010?
Ultimately, here is what I'd like from my GTab:
I'd like to run the new official Tapn'Tap released recently first and foremost.
I'd like to have the official/unofficial (w/e) Google Market.
I'd like to run Google Apps (Gtalk, Gmail, etc.).
IF I don't like Tapn'Tap, and this is a worse case scenario situation, as in if I HATE TnT - I'd like to have the option to slap something else on there and I'd like to make sure I don't brick my Tablet. Whether that means storing an original official TnT ROM or whatever.
Point me in the right direction please, especially considering things may have changed as of the new S/W update.
Thanks much and sorry for all the questions. I assure you I used search and I attempted to put it together on my own. It's been a long time since I've modded (G1 was the last time) and I don't do it often. Also, apologies if I posted this in the wrong section....I considered posting it in Dev. section but this one seemed better suited.
Thanks again, XDA rocks.

Neoprimal said:
Hey all,
I'm getting my G Tablet tomorrow and I'd just like to get some things clarified.
I know, the first thing some will say is USE SEARCH! Well, I did - and that's actually why I just want to get some things straight before I go down the path of modifying the device software. See, reading it all has managed to confuse me more than help me get a definitive instruction set for forging ahead.
I'm seeing the update "****s on CWM" according to a user...and then a 'fix' for that. Than I see that Gapps causes FCs for some, while it works for others. So...yeah, a little back and forth on what to do and who's instructions to follow.
Alright, so first thing's first....Should I flash the Clockwork Mod that I'm seeing available - 0.8? or is there something else I should consider or that I've missed? or maybe wait for a newer version? Should I even flash CWM if I get the newest (and I WILL be getting the newest) S/W version? Are there any downsides at all to flashing CWM on there in terms of messing with OTA updates, etc?
I read this:
"All the ROMS use a standard firmware updater that can be used by non-technical users. Here is an explanation on how it works:...."
Sooo, does that mean I can live without CWM? If an update doesn't work for some reason, will I be able to fix it or overwrite it somehow if I can't get into the tablet at all from the tablet itself? I read something about going into APX mode and putting things on through Windows, is this an infallible method?
Second of all, I read the FAQ thoroughly (I think and hope) but I'm still not 100% on what Gapps to DL or how to put a working Android Market on there especially with this new S/W update. I've seen how to 'fix' the Market to see missing apps, but not how to actually install it on the G Tablet. I may have missed that post somewhere on here.
I'm also unclear if I should get Gapps or not at all, as I've read that some have FCs on there while others do not - so what's the general consensus in light of this update that was just released as of Dec. 21, 2010?
Ultimately, here is what I'd like from my GTab:
I'd like to run the new official Tapn'Tap released recently first and foremost.
I'd like to have the official/unofficial (w/e) Google Market.
I'd like to run Google Apps (Gtalk, Gmail, etc.).
IF I don't like Tapn'Tap, and this is a worse case scenario situation, as in if I HATE TnT - I'd like to have the option to slap something else on there and I'd like to make sure I don't brick my Tablet. Whether that means storing an original official TnT ROM or whatever.
Point me in the right direction please, especially considering things may have changed as of the new S/W update.
Thanks much and sorry for all the questions. I assure you I used search and I attempted to put it together on my own. It's been a long time since I've modded (G1 was the last time) and I don't do it often. Also, apologies if I posted this in the wrong section....I considered posting it in Dev. section but this one seemed better suited.
Thanks again, XDA rocks.
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I don't know how much direction pointing I can do but here goes..
Clockwork mod in my opinion is a necessity. Version 0.8 is the best one for most people because of how it deals with the memory locations. Yes, you can do things without it. The update process is as simple as putting an update.zip file, and a recovery folder with a command file in it on an sdcard and holding the vol + button while hitting power. It is easy. Clockwork has a lot of little features though that make life easier. You can make a complete system backup with it. You can install updates, and new firmware with it. You can completely lock up your tablet and using clockwork and your backup be back in business in about 3-4 minutes. You can load new roms and if you hate them you can go back to your old working stuff in minutes. Yes, there are ways to make one of these tablets work again when they get stuck. I don't think anyone has actually bricked one. Some may think they have, but I doubt it.
Unless you are dead set on wanting the stock TnT interface the easiest way to get what you want is to load one of the roms. Yes, there are ways to get most of it without loading a new rom. Most everyone that has gone the I have to stay stock but want all the mods has eventually just loaded a rom. TnT3.0 is based on the latest stock stuff. It has the market, flash, etc. already in it. VegaN is what I use mostly but they are both stable and fast.
Before you flash something brand new that just came out I would read about it and see what others have to say about issues. It usually only takes about 30 minutes until you can tell if it is going to be good or not.
All of the roms for this tablet have there own little quirks. The stock has gotten better with each update but it still is not as good as the ones I named.
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard.
With a little bit of searching almost everything you may want it to do can be done. I really love mine, and when I got it almost 2 months ago I hated it...

"Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard."
"Sigh" of relief. Then I'm not too worried. As I said I've dabbled in modifying my G1 and it is mostly cake. But I've just been seeing conflicting posts on whether cwm works with the newest official tnt release or not so I wasn't sure what to do.
Thanks for your advice. And when I said pointers, I meant like this as well as pointing me to any posts I may have missed on how to do whatever. Though I THINK I found most of them.

Neoprimal said:
"Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard."
"Sigh" of relief. Then I'm not too worried. As I said I've dabbled in modifying my G1 and it is mostly cake. But I've just been seeing conflicting posts on whether cwm works with the newest official tnt release or not so I wasn't sure what to do.
Thanks for your advice. And when I said pointers, I meant like this as well as pointing me to any posts I may have missed on how to do whatever. Though I THINK I found most of them.
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The new release overwrites clockwork. But it is not hard to put back. Always a good idea to copy the clockwork backups folder to your pc, or somewhere they won't be lost. The custom roms typically leave the recovery image alone and can be installed with or without clockwork by either extracting the zip contents for stock recovery, or installing it as is in clockwork.

Sprdtyf350 said:
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable.
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I can vouch for that. Erased system, boot, data and cache in preparation for a new ROM. Accidentally rebooted and couldn't get into recovery. Booted it into APX mode, flashed stock and was on my way.

I would just run ZRoot, then upload the TnTLite 3.0 recovery and update.zip and then do the recovery mode process. You should have a microsd handy just in case it doesn't work, but so far I haven't needed that.
This tablet is much easier to work with and very forgiving since VS never took the time to lock down the bootloader etc like Motorola did with my Droid X. You really shouldn't fear changing files out etc, provided you're getting a ROM from one of the people providing them here. If you can press and hold two buttons at once, you can make your gTab an awesome little tablet. It benchmarks about 1000 points higher than my Droid X on quadrant. Can't wait to see what these guys can do with Gingerbread.

Sprdtyf350 said:
The new release overwrites clockwork. But it is not hard to put back. Always a good idea to copy the clockwork backups folder to your pc, or somewhere they won't be lost. The custom roms typically leave the recovery image alone and can be installed with or without clockwork by either extracting the zip contents for stock recovery, or installing it as is in clockwork.
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It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update

hogasswild said:
I would just run ZRoot, then upload the TnTLite 3.0 recovery and update.zip and then do the recovery mode process. You should have a microsd handy just in case it doesn't work, but so far I haven't needed that.
This tablet is much easier to work with and very forgiving since VS never took the time to lock down the bootloader etc like Motorola did with my Droid X. You really shouldn't fear changing files out etc, provided you're getting a ROM from one of the people providing them here. If you can press and hold two buttons at once, you can make your gTab an awesome little tablet. It benchmarks about 1000 points higher than my Droid X on quadrant. Can't wait to see what these guys can do with Gingerbread.
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with the new update however does the z4root still work? i heard it may not anymore. just curious also since im hopefully getting mine on sat for xmas

rothnic said:
It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update
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Thanks for the info Rothnic! I had already flashed it before I figured out it removed Clockwork. Learning new stuff every day is good... Thanks..

dragonfly1113 said:
with the new update however does the z4root still work? i heard it may not anymore. just curious also since im hopefully getting mine on sat for xmas
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The very first time I rooted, I used ZRoot and installed 2.4.0. I didn't change anything and used the exact same process of simply copying over the 3.0.0 files over to the root directory of the internal memory and did the recovery procedure (vol+ and pwr keys). It worked like a charm.

hogasswild said:
The very first time I rooted, I used ZRoot and installed 2.4.0. I didn't change anything and used the exact same process of simply copying over the 3.0.0 files over to the root directory of the internal memory and did the recovery procedure (vol+ and pwr keys). It worked like a charm.
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Ok cool, thanks cant wait for my g tablet hopefully sat morning

I think you'll like it a lot. I also own an iPad. While they are similar they are also a little different. Merry Christmas!

hogasswild said:
I think you'll like it a lot. I also own an iPad. While they are similar they are also a little different. Merry Christmas!
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my mom has an ipad and my dad could only buy it while i was on my honeymoon bc he knew i wouldnt approve of an apple device in the house haha.

rothnic said:
It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update
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My device hasn't come yet (damn you FedEx!) but I'm eagerly awaiting it.
My plan:
Unbox, start it....do a factory reset from the getgo if it has enough juice.
Set it back up. Charge it to full. If whatever comes on it is as unbearable as I've seen in on Youtube - start modifications.
Will CWM install on it AFTER I do the update if it's available to me? I've seen that the update messes with it if it's already there - but noone's mentioned putting it on there after the fact. I may just go that route for simplicity sake.
Thanks for this!, and thank you all for chiming in with your experience. I feel much better about just getting my hands dirty in it all. I had wrote something to someone yesterday about jumping in and just doing it, but when it comes to dealing with it yourself it can be a daunting task - especially when it still has that new smell, lol. Anyway, thanks again. You guys really rock.
Will stop back later on after I've done my thing

I think they are both nice devices. There are trade off for both of them. I think the screen on the iPad is wonderful, where the gTab's is okay. But the gTab has a forward facing camera, you can print from it, and you can modify it fairly easily too.

Sprdtyf350 said:
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable.
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...famous last words...
Seriously though...trust the directions from the great devs like roebeet. Follow their instructions word for word. You can switch ROMs and then flash back if you want. No worries...

Off topic!
Well...disappointment! Fedex had my package out for delivery at 8am and at 8pm, they're not here. This is why I like UPS, they show up at my door on the day of delivery, no exceptions - they have shown up at almost 9pm before. The Archos 101 I got was sent out at 8am as well but got here at 1:30pm - I suppose that was before the holiday rush.
Checking the details of my tracking I'm seeing a "delivery exception" at 7:30pm (I guess it was time to get back to the facility so they can clock out by 8pm?) and upon calling them I get a somewhat stumbling but polite CS who tells me the delivery went out "late" - upon which I asked if 8am was considered late, especially from a distribution facility WITHIN the same zip code as I am, and all he could say was "Very sorry about this".
Aaaanyway....I guess it will be tomorrow before I can report my adventures.
Think I'll be able to get my $3.99 back from Amazon? I have Prime and with that the package would have come tomorrow anyway. Basically my $3.99 is wasted. Imagine if I didn't have Prime though? Whew.

ima_UNC_fan said:
...famous last words...
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If you can figure out how to brick it you will probably get an award.. It won't be a good award but probably one of those top ten dumb things people do awards. So far unless you plug the motherboard into a wall socket no one has bricked one. May think they have, but like I said before I doubt it..
And your right.. If it can be done, someone eventually will figure out how. And then we will all laugh at them.. At least I will

I finally got the G tablet tonight and...alright, don't flame me for this - but I don't see what all the complaints about the screen being horrendous or the device being molasses slow are about?
I don't know how people are trying to view it...but when looking at it or setting it on a stand to watch media, I'm not seeing any problem with the viewing angles. It's about the same as my laptop so I watch it the same way.
It's not even a 1/4 as slow as the stuff I've seen on Youtube or in some of the review videos I've seen around the net. I haven't gotten a single FC. Granted, I haven't put in a SD Card yet so maybe problems will start then?
I guess I should note, the very first thing I did was did a factory reset. Then I hooked it up to Wifi and got the 3053 update. I'm one of those who will be waiting for the 'official' update on the 24th.
I set up the time and date, restarted and everything works. I haven't installed flash yet (don't need it that much) and stuff that I DO want on there right now works fine (skype, pandora, fring, dropbox, evernote). I'm slowly figuring out a list of what I want/need from my Mytouch 4G to port to the VS GTab. Figure I don't really NEED Gtalk, Gmail on there because I have these on my phone AND PC - do I really want them making noises all around my home on 3 devices? I was concerned about getting the Google Apps on but now I'm finding I really don't need them. So it seems to me this will be a matter of learning to separate what I need on a tablet vs. my phone - I was of the mentality that I should just get whatever's on my phone on the tablet, this is something others apparently do as they seem to want everything that's on their phone, on their tablets as well.
I personally don't see the point in that. Had I had the Google Market, that would have escaped me as I'd have used Appbrain to just get my motherload of apps from the MT4G to the GTab. Not having it has slowed me, and now I get to re-evaluate before I do grab apps for it.
Now I just have to merge/convert my HTPC into a NAS device as well and find an app that will allow me to DLNA stream media from it and I'll be in mobile heaven.
I haven't had my wifi drop at all anywhere in my home and I've marched all over with it (I use full Wifi N, no G compat. so maybe my range is wider?). Tried email, etc. to replicate crashes and force closes but haven't so far. No surfing issues. I DID find that one app got 'stuck' being downloaded and I had to delete the file before the 'downloading' icon would go away, even after restart.
Maybe the trick to getting a workable GTab in the first place is to factory reset it before first use? Iunno. Things may change and issues may pop up the more I use it and as time passes - but so far, so good!
Again, I can't thank XDA enough for the advice and info. I've found and been given.

Sprdtyf350 said:
If you can figure out how to brick it you will probably get an award.. It won't be a good award but probably one of those top ten dumb things people do awards. So far unless you plug the motherboard into a wall socket no one has bricked one. May think they have, but like I said before I doubt it..
And your right.. If it can be done, someone eventually will figure out how. And then we will all laugh at them.. At least I will
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I figured it out. Accidentally hit one of the devkit nvflash .cabs and boom

[Q] Q time!

Alright try not to flame the piss outta me; i've been a member here for years and i know how to SEARCH. (and i did)
there's alot of reading between the lines that goes on here. lots of things are not explicit.
my needs are:
1. to be able to tether via bluetooth/wifi/usb/MIFI/hotspot my phone to a windows laptop
2. to delete the bloatware
3. maaaybe save the apps to the SD but that's not necessary
but i must remain with stock ROM. i had a cingular 8125 (wizard) and an AT&T Fuze (diamond) that i hacked and cracked and unlocked and every other thing you could do to them.. and it was always a mess; emailin the dev late at night cause this don't work or that don't work, data don't work, GPS don't work, radios don't work, the phone don't work, it needs to be rebooted everyday cause the other thing's from a different phone. hell i even blew the speaker on the fuze with some speaker mod i downloaded cause it was too quiet and so it didn't ring half the time. i don't need sweet fuzeberry pictures for the menu button and all of this.
so unless there's some perfect rom out there that doesn't have not one damn error, i'd like to stay with a stock rom.
so can bullets 1 and 2 and maybe 3 be solved without going with a non-stock rom? do i have to root to get #'s 1 and 2?
thanks for not flamin me

There is a stock rooted Rom on here which you can use that will let you do what you want.
As for the roms, I know everyone has their preference but gtg's inspired saga gingerbread Rom is pretty much flawless. Even have it on my wife's inspire and she never complains about anything not working. I am sure others are very good as well.

wdkingery said:
Alright try not to flame the piss outta me; i've been a member here for years and i know how to SEARCH. (and i did)
there's alot of reading between the lines that goes on here. lots of things are not explicit.
my needs are:
1. to be able to tether via bluetooth/wifi/usb/MIFI/hotspot my phone to a windows laptop
2. to delete the bloatware
3. maaaybe save the apps to the SD but that's not necessary
but i must remain with stock ROM. i had a cingular 8125 (wizard) and an AT&T Fuze (diamond) that i hacked and cracked and unlocked and every other thing you could do to them.. and it was always a mess; emailin the dev late at night cause this don't work or that don't work, data don't work, GPS don't work, radios don't work, the phone don't work, it needs to be rebooted everyday cause the other thing's from a different phone. hell i even blew the speaker on the fuze with some speaker mod i downloaded cause it was too quiet and so it didn't ring half the time. i don't need sweet fuzeberry pictures for the menu button and all of this.
so unless there's some perfect rom out there that doesn't have not one damn error, i'd like to stay with a stock rom.
so can bullets 1 and 2 and maybe 3 be solved without going with a non-stock rom? do i have to root to get #'s 1 and 2?
thanks for not flamin me
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All of that will require root access. At the very least, your gonna need to do that.
Once you do, if you want a kick-ass fast, stable and dependable tweaked custom stock ROM...try the one in my signature.

Nickovtyme said:
All of that will require root access. At the very least, your gonna need to do that.
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With the exception of maybe App2sd.
But indeed, rooting is pretty much a must-do activity.
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Nickovtyme said:
All of that will require root access. At the very least, your gonna need to do that.
Once you do, if you want a kick-ass fast, stable and dependable tweaked custom stock ROM...try the one in my signature.
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sadly i cannot even find the one in your sig

wdkingery said:
sadly i cannot even find the one in your sig
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Let me remedy that for ya.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1015206
I think there's only a handful of us around here that use this ROM as their day to day ROM...and mostly its because it's so close to stock. Not many bells or whistles with this one.

oh puke it appears i'm gonna end up crackin this phone into pieces as well.. bleh. there's sooo much i don't know right now. apn? what was it before i did this? what should it be? a million trillion new things with a new operating system, new phone.. not one thing is the same it seems. on the the [GUIDE] i go..
can this all be undone on this phone if i crush it and need to return it to AT&steal for insurance?

Take a breath. You will catch on and yes it can be reversed if you need to send in for insurance though if the phone is split in half you may have trouble running the stock ruu and getting s-on.
Check the thread in dev section on data speed to see apn settings I believe they are listed in there.

i have yet to even plug this phone into my laptop for the first time.
any activesync type programs i need?

wdkingery said:
oh puke it appears i'm gonna end up crackin this phone into pieces as well.. bleh. there's sooo much i don't know right now. apn? what was it before i did this? what should it be? a million trillion new things with a new operating system, new phone.. not one thing is the same it seems. on the the [GUIDE] i go..
can this all be undone on this phone if i crush it and need to return it to AT&steal for insurance?
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I meant to tell ya that with the Ingersoll ROM, well with most of the ROM's in the dev section, wifi hotspot is enabled by default. I have used it and can verify that it works perfectly..just enable wifi hotspot in the settings. Oh and AT&T won't ever know either...though there is some debate about that.
Or like Newter555 says, do the research and you can add the APN's yourself.

wdkingery said:
i have yet to even plug this phone into my laptop for the first time.
any activesync type programs i need?
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Follow the sticky guide at the top of this forum and you should breeze right through it.

i believe i rooted, but rom manager cannot find superuser, i downloaded superuser from market and it is not doing anything special; no errors ...
i'm now stuck with a rom that has no sound. please help

wdkingery said:
i believe i rooted, but rom manager cannot find superuser, i downloaded superuser from market and it is not doing anything special; no errors ...
i'm now stuck with a rom that has no sound. please help
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If you used the attn1 method he mentions that you have to flash a ROM to get sound back. Do you have rom manager installed? It can install recovery for you and download roms for you.
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He has recovery installed. All he has to do is select a rom, put it on the hd and start recovery to flash it. The process is well.documented. ROM manager is not the answer.

lil fyi i got it all worked out thanks to attn1

wdkingery said:
lil fyi i got it all worked out thanks to attn1
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Awsome! Good for you.
Welcome aboard...you're life is changed forever.

Two very annoying issues with this phone

Rooted, CM 7.1.0, T-Mobile
Not sure if these are CM issues or HTC's crappy hardware issues, but...
1. When I try to turn on the screen using either the top button or bottom trackpad button, the screen will flash on for a second and then go off again. It will do this two or three times until the screen stays on at the lock screen. Didn't do this before CM, but also didn't start until months after I modded to CM.
2. When using the on screen keyboard(in vertical mode) sometimes it's like the touchscreen is responding very slowly to my taps and CERTAIN KEYS will not work at all. So I'll be typing and the keyboard will be kinda sluggish and suddenly I'll notice that none of the a's I'm hitting are registering. I'll hit the area of the screen over the "a" key and the surrounding keys will register but not "a". I will usually have to turn the screen off and then back on before it starts working again. I think it did this the first time before I modded, but can't quite remember.
Anyone else having these problems?

The first problem has happened before on some roms.
I don't recommend using CM 7, its old, outdated and hasn't been fully patched.

I had that same touch keyboard issue with my HTC EVO shift and my HTC Inspire....an of course all my phones were on different ROMS
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The first issue... are you oc? If so how much? Really no need to oc this phone. Also, it could be a wake issue, if you are underclocked to much, there is a minimum amount that sometimes has to be higher on some phones than others.
It seems to me these could be kernel issues.
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mrbmg said:
The first issue... are you oc? If so how much? Really no need to oc this phone. Also, it could be a wake issue, if you are underclocked to much, there is a minimum amount that sometimes has to be higher on some phones than others.
It seems to me these could be kernel issues.
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Unless CM over or under clocks by default, then no changes in cpu.

You should run the HTC stock software for a few days or a week to see if the problems you have are persistant across ROMs, or something specific to your current software package.
Just a thought.
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Blue6IX said:
You should run the HTC stock software for a few days or a week to see if the problems you have are persistant across ROMs, or something specific to your current software package.
Just a thought.
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Yeah I've thought about doing that, but I also use my phone for business and switching between roms is kinda disruptive, so I haven't done that yet. Hoping for more feedback from others.

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AviatorJud said:
Yeah I've thought about doing that, but I also use my phone for business and switching between roms is kinda disruptive, so I haven't done that yet. Hoping for more feedback from others.
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Yea, that is something that impacts us all. I could get a lot more dev done if I didn't have to have my plan phone set and ready a specific way each shift to be able to do my job the way i'm expected to.
Best bet would be to wait until you had a day or two off, maybe a weekend or something and when you finish with your obligations before that free time starts:
-try to have near to a full battery or a full one waiting.
Installing a new ROM always works better with a full battery on install, so if you can already be at that step you can start right away instead of waiting for it.
-Make a clockworkmod backup of your device as it sits, and copy that backup to a computer somewhere.
-Get all the ROM files you need to re-install it in a folder with that clockworkmod backup you just made. When you go to put the phone back together to go back to work, if the backup doesn't work for some reason you can at least install fresh and go from there.
-On that note, backup all your apps too. If you do end up having to re-install your ROM you are running right now, being able to install all the apps right away again off the sdcard saves a lot of time and hassle.
Make sure to get those apps backed up to a computer too.
-backup all your contacts. Export everything you can to the sdcard, and then copy that to the computer too.
-Make sure you have all the passwords and account names you need for anything you have installed. (Gmail(s) - Games - accounts tied to apps or services you use)
If you do have to reinstall everything, and you use internet services like dropbox or an internet faxing service you don't want to have to track down those logins if you don't type them often. Make sure you check all your apps and write them down ahead of time.
-Lastly, since you are on CM7, use titanium backup to backup everything and copy that also to the folder on the computer. The word backup in the computer industry is synonymous with redundant, and if it's not you're doing it wrong.
The reason why I said to copy all these backups off the phone and onto a computer is because if something catastrophically bad happens to the phone then what?
By catastrophically bad I mean you format the sdcard by mistake on a factory reset while you're playing with different ROMs - what then?
If you do need the device for work, and you are serious about trying to test the errors against being a phone-specific hardware issue or a software issue with the ROM you are using, then jogging your process by putting this all out there might help you get started.
When you get that downtime, you'll know ahead of time so you can prepare, and then when it hits you have an immediate plan of action to put into place to maximise the time you get for testing.
Also, have the ROM you want to put on it ready to go, and if possible alternates to that - so research the 3 software versions available from HTC for the device.
Also become familiar with this process:
Restore to stock
...maybe download all 3 software versions before your free time hits so you have them already. If everything goes sideways you can always use one of them to restore the device.
If you are S-OFF you have nothing to worry about for doing any of the software updates unless you manually re-lock the device, so just don't do that and you'll be fine.
If you are S-ON speak up and i'll lay out your possible headaches along the way and what we know about them if someone else doesn't first.
If you have prepped before the free time hits:
1 - passwords/account info written down and at the computer you'll be using...
2 - all software packages (restore files, roms, anything else...) that you need downloaded and on the computer you'll be using...
3 - all the apps you use backed up and on the computer you'll be using...
4 - any media like pictures and music or anything else backed up to the computer you'll be using...
5 - a full battery or close to ...
...you are still looking at almost an hours worth of backup time to do the clockworkmod backup, titanium backup, transfer them to the computer, and then you might run a little over that time when you test the clockworkmod backup.
( you always test the backup - the only thing worse then not having a backup is having a corrupt one you thought was good )
...which cuts into your time testing the other ROM enough as it is, but if you aren't ready to do it like this it will take significantly longer.
Since you'll know when the time hits getting a majority of the media, pictures and user generated stuff plus most (if not all) of the apps you use backup up the day before helps cut down on a lot, but that hour is still lost to making a way of putting it back together again.
You also need to leave yourself a solid 4 hours to put the machine back to the way it is before you started on the other side. Again, on install, you want to have a full battery so plan for that too.
4 hours gives you enough time to get everything slapped together from a fresh CM7 install and manually doing all your apps and setting up the phone for work, if the CWM backup fails for some reason and you have to start over.
I just want to see everyone have their phones running right, and if it's a hardware issue then you should get it repaired, if it's a software issue then you should seek a solution - but the quickest way to a result, and the one for your issue, is to directly test it yourself.
Since you sounded like you came to that conclusion too, your only issue now is squeezing it into a time slot you can get so don't hesitate if you have questions on the processes involved.
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If you have multiple MicroSD cards you could use for this, then you can save a lot more time.
You could take the one you have in there now out, and put it to the side so that when you installed your work setup again the memory card and all it's stuff is right there.
Then you could take different memory cards and have them pre-made to what you need, so as soon as you are done backups you power off and swap memory cards.
First one you swap in has the PG59IMG.zip restore file (and nothing else) renamed that way and ready to go, so when you power back on to hboot that installs itself and you save the time spent copying that over before you can install it.
When that finishes, you are back to stock and ready to go, and you didn't change any of the info on your work sdcard.
Something to think about, if work stuff is that important that's what i'd do (and what I do myself, so thought to add it)

Wow Blue, thank you for taking the time to respond. I think I will have some time this weekend to give this a shot. I am S-OFF. And you're right, as long as you plan everything ahead and allow for the time to get set back up, it's not too bad. I'm just trying to decide what rom to try switch to. I really hate sense, so I don't really wanna go back to stock. Wish there was a good stable vanilla to use. Any thoughts?

Oh and if I want to update to the newest radio, which is listed in your "return to stock" thread and then perhaps use another custom rom, like bulletproof, will that radio stick? Do roms not ever update the radio? I just noticed that I am on the original one for the doubleshot, which came out last june.

AviatorJud said:
Oh and if I want to update to the newest radio, which is listed in your "return to stock" thread and then perhaps use another custom rom, like bulletproof, will that radio stick? Do roms not ever update the radio? I just noticed that I am on the original one for the doubleshot, which came out last june.
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I don't even know what radio I'm on that's a sad thing...but yeah once you update your radio, no Rom will overwrite the radio unless it somehow has one in it you know...
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AviatorJud said:
Wow Blue, thank you for taking the time to respond. I think I will have some time this weekend to give this a shot. I am S-OFF. And you're right, as long as you plan everything ahead and allow for the time to get set back up, it's not too bad. I'm just trying to decide what rom to try switch to. I really hate sense, so I don't really wanna go back to stock. Wish there was a good stable vanilla to use. Any thoughts?
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My pleasure, it's what makes XDA work - people taking time to share what they've learned so others can benefit from or add to the knowledge.
If you are trying to bug-check, honestly, the stock official ROM is a good one to use. It's not something you are so much doing to enjoy the phone, as much as to check on a specific aspect of it.
Further, you are already halfway home on putting the phone back to factory settings if it is a hardware issue, so then you just have to S-ON it and send it in for repair - though you probably won't get it back with S-OFF ability, you will at least be able to unlock it.
Just from directly developing things for the device, and having to go through these testing procedures time and again, I try to set the process up to keep moving, so by going to bone stock if it is broken you already have taken steps to make it what it has to be to send it in, the next looming goal if you aren't going to restore to your work setup.
AviatorJud said:
Oh and if I want to update to the newest radio, which is listed in your "return to stock" thread and then perhaps use another custom rom, like bulletproof, will that radio stick? Do roms not ever update the radio? I just noticed that I am on the original one for the doubleshot, which came out last june.
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This was just answered above me, but you can always go back to previous radio installs if you are S-OFF...but only if S-OFF.
I've run Bulletproof on the new radio and it runs fine, so doesn't matter either way on that one - other ROMs you'll have to ask the author.
ROMs can update the radio, or only work on specific ones, but for our device I don't think it's been an issue yet, pretty sure everything works with everything on that part.

Help (if possible)! think my phone is done :(

This is going to be long!
If anyone has insight to this would be appreciated
Precursor: I am on CM9 nightly (7-27-12) with 6.0.1.0 non touch recovery (NS4G)
So last night I go to open my opera web browser and it would flash like it would open and instant close (no error message). I say OK thats weird and decide to reboot. Upon rebooted I am greeted with never ending amount of FC's from every app and service imaginable. I again say OK EXTREMELY weird and decide its time to restore my backup from yesterday.
I reboot in recovery and what do I get greeted with? Unable to mount /sdcard! Long story short after scouring google for about an hour I find that if I do a fastboot oem lock/unlock I should get back up and running. Thankfully that works and I install the newest 7/31 CM9 nightly.
I wake up today without my phone alarm going off when it should. Weird huh? I go to open the clock and get a FC from the clock application. Reboot and it works just fine. OK weird again.
Go to work and leave my phone on the counter to help a customer. I come back to the desk and my phone is in recovery mode? Uhhh what? I reboot the phone and it says "encryption unsuccessful" and the phone needs to wipe data and reboot to continue use...
I decide WTF why not, not like I can use it. At this point I'm worried though. The phone reboots to recovery and I guess does a data wipe (takes 3-5 mins) and reboots. Now I am stuck on the CM9 bootscreen and won't go past.
I have some ideas as to get the phone (hopefully) back up and running. Just curious what this sounds like to anyone more knowledgeable then me (especially the part where it tried to encrypt my phone without me touching it!)
Any thoughts or help is appreciated!
Edit: I tried copying files to sdcard from recovery using mount usb storage. The files copy over and as soon as I leave the mount menu and go to install the zip files WHICH I SAW ON THE SDCARD they ARE NOT THERE anymore.
Edit2: It still lets me install the CM9 7/31 nightly which I had saved on the phone yesterday. Even after wiping everything and reinstalling the ROM I can't get past the CM9 bootscreen
Edit3: Tried fastboot, odin, nothing works. Even after odin I still get the CM9 boot screen. Pretty sure something is messed up to the point of I need a new phone. FML!

YESS!!!
YES I WANT ATTENTION.
I Have exactly the same. Mother of smartphones Somebody help us!
Its the internal Memory thats messed up yes, But Please somebody fix this Bullcrap. We don't have the knowledge but I will gladly donate to you who fixes it!
I just bought a brand new screen for my phone and I don't freaking want to buy a new Phone At the moment, So if you find a way to help us then let us know since that could be lifesaving right now.

Pretty sure I've given up. Everything I've tried has failed... looks like it might be gnex time.

NYYFan325 said:
Pretty sure I've given up. Everything I've tried has failed... looks like it might be gnex time.
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Have you tried just going back to the stock rom/recovery/bootloader with the samsung application?

ronnygunz said:
Have you tried just going back to the stock rom/recovery/bootloader with the samsung application?
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I would Love to get an link to that. if it helps us out i'd sh1t goldbricks. seriously.

Moonystorm said:
I would Love to get an link to that. if it helps us out i'd sh1t goldbricks. seriously.
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I couldn't post the link because I have less than 10 posts here so I pm'd you. At least I hope I did. Let me know if you didn't get it.

Can you send me the PM as well. I know of the tool you are referring to but can't seem to find it anymore

NYYFan325 said:
Can you send me the PM as well. I know of the tool you are referring to but can't seem to find it anymore
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I tried to send it, I hope it worked but it doesn't show up in my sent messages so I am in the dark.

Stock ROM. All the way back to Gingerbread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1572307

Well nothing officially works
The samsung simple dl tool just says "error" when I hit "start download" nearly immediately. Now I have no recovery or anything. Going to sprint right after I get out of work to get a gnex

NYYFan325 said:
Well nothing officially works
The samsung simple dl tool just says "error" when I hit "start download" nearly immediately. Now I have no recovery or anything. Going to sprint right after I get out of work to get a gnex
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Ugh... I'm sorry people Who will get to our problem. Paid samsung services can Help. Nothing else. I be a smart guy and do like NYYFan here and get a galaxy nexus. thank You everyone for help. i set up 48hours for anybody to help me or i get a new device. Might sound rude but its a choice i made.
-Moon

I HAD THIS SAME EXACT PROBLEM
Temporary solution: heat the phone up with a hair blow dryer. get it hot but not so hot that it melts things. it will be able to boot up and work. I used this method so i could copy my sd card to my computer and wipe everything off
Permanent solution: turn your phone in for repair. there is no remedy to fixing this. apparently the circuit board or chip is bad and you can't fix it.
Luckily I had best buy black tie protection and I am waiting on my new replacement phone.

NicholasQ said:
I HAD THIS SAME EXACT PROBLEM
Temporary solution: heat the phone up with a hair blow dryer. get it hot but not so hot that it melts things. it will be able to boot up and work. I used this method so i could copy my sd card to my computer and wipe everything off
Permanent solution: turn your phone in for repair. there is no remedy to fixing this. apparently the circuit board or chip is bad and you can't fix it.
Luckily I had best buy black tie protection and I am waiting on my new replacement phone.
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I work in a computer repair shop and going by that solution...sounds like a problem I may be able to repair using a similar method as some of the board-level repairs I do pretty often...anyone want to send me a dead lab rat? Lol
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Xaelius said:
I work in a computer repair shop and going by that solution...sounds like a problem I may be able to repair using a similar method as some of the board-level repairs I do pretty often...anyone want to send me a dead lab rat? Lol
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You can have mine lol x) And Yep i fix computers for friends and so on their friends and this sounds like Nvidia was behind the chip... xD

It wouldn't matter who actually makes a chip if the heating it up is a temporary fix. That is a OEM issue. Basically think xbox360 rrod with the warped boards the solder melting/failing and the chips get loose etc.
Unless heating up failed flash storage temporarily makes it work. Which I doubt is the case but don't actually know. Brings back memories of putting failing HDD drives in the freezer though.

Well this is my official goodbye to the Nexus S forums (not like anyone cares haha). Just got my shiny new Galaxy Nexus. Have a great night everyone and happy modding!

NYYFan325 said:
Well this is my official goodbye to the Nexus S forums (not like anyone cares haha). Just got my shiny new Galaxy Nexus. Have a great night everyone and happy modding!
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Ugh. Congraz. xD

Try Adam outler unbrickable mod for nexus s
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1397393
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Unfortunately that is good only if software screwed up your phone. In my case and I'm sure others when it is hardware failure, that won't work :\

Trying to install Rom

I have the T959v android phone, which I found out is a bit more complicated than my Samsung Vibrant.
I am running the gingerbread kernel after using Kies.
I have finally successfully flashed the T959v using Heimdoll following this guide. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21953878&postcount=2
Super User has been installed using SuperOneClick.
After struggling with it and reading on some sites it's possible and some sites it's not possible, I've come to the conclusion that Rom Manager is not a good idea to use, to install a Rom on my particular phone.
I want to install this Rom here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1402966
However I reviewed the instructions and found I was lost on some parts.
I know how to get to recovery mode (with the phone turned off, hold down volume up and down and the power button)
However, here's where I get lost:
6. Perform Voodoo -> Disable Lagfix.
I do not have this option, likely because I'm missing voodoo or some sort of app. I've tried googling this and figuring out what it is, but I don't even know what a CWM is.
I haven't tried (since I'm atleast smart enough to review information before I start following them, lest I get myself stuck somewhere and unable to back out of). However I believe I can get as far as Step 5.
Unfortuantely I can't get any further.
The only apps I have installed (besides the annoying bloatware on the phone) are the ones I listed above.
This is my first time flashing a phone or doing any of the above, previously my friend did it for me.
So I apologize for whatever Incompetence I may have, however if you can simplify instructions I'm pretty good at following them.
The hard part is that I don't know how to do a lot of the instructions.
Is there a video? Perhaps a guide with pictures that includes all the software I need and how to install that software?
I'm sorry for the questions, I hope someone can help. This has been a long and frustrating process but I'm determined to finish it.
Thank you in advance.
Ah also this: "Must have pre-installed kernel with clockwork recovery!"
I cannot do this because when I try and use clockwork recovery it says it cannot support my phone.
It gives me a list of 4 devices, none of which are my phone.
Then I click on "My device is not listed" and it states the T959v is not supported.
I'm really sorry for all the questions.
Not only does this app look nice, and sound nice due to hardware acceleration. Above all it gets rid of that bloatware crap from T-mobile.
I look forward to giving this app a try.

Hello my friend i know how excited you are when it come's to flashing, installing, removing apps on your phone, but before you do any harm to your phone maybe
consider reading this http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_4G before going further. it save's you a lot of time and headache plus you can avoid
flaming from other people here. and also try to use the search bar just i case you have further question's..
I advice you to take some time to read first on what do you want to your phone before doing anything.. don't be in a hurry we have tons of great roms in here..

Do not use clockwork manager...it is not for this device!
If you have super user ur rooted and good to go ...i would suggest you play around with the gingerbread roms for a spell before going to icecream sandwich roms,just so you get a feel for flashing on this device.....i too came from the vibrant and dearly miss it.
This phone is far from a vibrant but is coming along.
Feel free to pm me.....I may be a bit slow on replies since I'm working 7/12's 3rd shift.

Thank you both so much for your replies.
Warren I am checking that link out right now. Thanks
Shortbus, I miss my Vibrant too.
Technically speaking my Vibrant is still usable, but ever since I dropped it and cracked the screen it seems to have drastically slowed down (and the screen is annoying with all the cracks too).
Sad day for me.
I still want to try and get that Rom I had posted above working, as I doubt I'll move to another rom anytime after that. But I'll try and learn more about it using the link you gave me Warren. It'll probably take me several days ~_~
Shortbus I may email you with questions I come across from time to time if that's ok

Squeezitgirdle said:
Thank you both so much for your replies.
Warren I am checking that link out right now. Thanks
Shortbus, I miss my Vibrant too.
Technically speaking my Vibrant is still usable, but ever since I dropped it and cracked the screen it seems to have drastically slowed down (and the screen is annoying with all the cracks too).
Sad day for me.
I still want to try and get that Rom I had posted above working, as I doubt I'll move to another rom anytime after that. But I'll try and learn more about it using the link you gave me Warren. It'll probably take me several days ~_~
Shortbus I may email you with questions I come across from time to time if that's ok
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If you want to install Valhalla Final - read the guide in the first link of my signature and begin where applicable.

I don't mind.
Flashing roms on this device is easy once you realize its not the vibrant lol.
Like the vibrant....this thing is near impossible to brick,....just a lil bit more complicated than the vib.....till you get to understand it.

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If you want to install Valhalla Final - read the guide in the first link of my signature and begin where applicable.
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Ah, so I should switch to Froyo instead of Gingerbread from the looks of it.
I'll get right on that I'm going to try following your guide now
edit: I saw that you switched to Gingerbread, jumped too far ahead of myself.
I'm getting pretty far along in the guide, I'm now at the part where I am about to install the rom.
I love that you guys respond so quickly too.
In the process of using Heimdall I ran into so many issues but was (slowly) able to work through them and figure them out.
It's nice to know I can come here if I have a quick question.

I'm not much help with heimdall....I use gremlin remover,its a one click Odin program....serves the same purpose....to bring you to a rooted stock state.