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Drove by the T-mobile headquarters in Bellevue, WA today and decided to run a speedtest for the fun of it. No hspa+ reception at headquarters! Tried at three different spots around the buildings...
So proud I joined "America's largest 4G network" LOL

i have the "H" symbol on my mt4g but i say its more like "E". download speeds are 20kb-40kb max, so when i'm home i just connect to my wifi.

Yea, the problem is that the H doesn't mean anything. Have you tried mobile signal widget (market)? It's pretty cool cause it shows you wether you're on hspa+, 3g, or edge. I kept thinking I was on hspa+ cause of the H until I realized it will always show H even if I'm on 3g.
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c_licious said:
Yea, the problem is that the H doesn't mean anything. Have you tried mobile signal widget (market)? It's pretty cool cause it shows you wether you're on hspa+, 3g, or edge. I kept thinking I was on hspa+ cause of the H until I realized it will always show H even if I'm on 3g.
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hey i tried mobile signal widget in the market and it never shows 3g or h or anything. just shows signal bars and thats it. so hopefully there will be a fix for this.

Try the Network widget it works good and shows all signals you might be on.

Only 2g or 4g.. never seen a 3g symbol!

Since purchasing my phone almost 2 weeks ago I have never gotten 3g. I have replaced my sim and also upgraded data. I have one day left to return and I'm wondering if you guys too are having this issue. Or perhaps is it a tower/radio issue?
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It won't ever show 3g
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Yeah i saw the same thing. I think it's has a lot to do with TMO's 4G not actually being a different technology than it's 3G. So in most cases if you have 3G you also have 4G. Are there any areas where you know that TMO's HSPA+ network doesn't have coverage but the normal 3G coverage does? I'd be interested in that. I couldn't test in my area because the 3G coverage is the exact same as the 4G so the indicator would only change if I entered an edge only area.
The G2 only displays an H which can either be 3G or 4G but it's not differentiated on the phone. So I think it's just because of TMO's network not being a separate technology that requires a different radio. So the phone won't go from 4G to 3G to Edge. It goes straight to 2G because 3g and 4G is the same in technology. Only difference is speed and that that's with any network where you have different speeds in different places.

The 4G is a souped up version of their 3G so you won't see 3G ever AFAIK.

Thought i was the only one that noticed

As a t-mob tech rep I can confirm that this is true. The phone will either display 2 or 4. It was even in the brief training we received. No need to return it

Get Mobile Signal Widget if you want to see it go between 3G(UMTS) or H(HSPA+)
It will not show 3G/4G because it would flip between the two too much.

Yesterday I saw it just said "G". Phone was slow as ****. I love this thing.
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joeyklatzko said:
The 4G is a souped up version of their 3G so you won't see 3G ever AFAIK.
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It's the same on the G2x that I had briefly.

good to know cause im in love with my phone and didnt wanna chance a exchange! its really not enough good about this phone on here but for any of you on the edge its a great phone coming from a hd2 which was also the SH!T !!

Just a little extra info on this. EVERY 3G cell site in T-Mobile's network is HSPA capable so whenever you are on a 3G site your have HSPA access BUT not every site is HSPA+ (4G speeds). With that said, your phone does not know the difference so even if we wanted an icon to show the difference we couldn't have it. There is one more mode and that is UMTS. This only shows when your phone is idle and not doing data (not very often). It does NOT mean your don't have HSPA access on that site, it just means your phone is not currently doing data. So, we could have a 3G icon for when your idle but your phone would be constantly switching from 3G icon to 4G or H (whichever you have) and that would be annoying. Hope this helps.

setzer715 said:
There is one more mode and that is UMTS. This only shows when your phone is idle and not doing data (not very often). It does NOT mean your don't have HSPA access on that site, it just means your phone is not currently doing data. So, we could have a 3G icon for when your idle but your phone would be constantly switching from 3G icon to 4G or H (whichever you have) and that would be annoying. Hope this helps.
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That's what it did for the HD2 & it let me know when I was actually pulling down data, just look for 3G or the H

xnifex said:
That's what it did for the HD2 & it let me know when I was actually pulling down data, just look for 3G or the H
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You will still know with the data activity arrows.

setzer715 said:
You will still know with the data activity arrows.
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On the Sensation yes, HD2 running WM though it was about the only way to know

Its a lie. It just says 4G instead of 3G. Never 3G. Its a ploy to make you believe they have 4G everywhere.

I have an unbranded Asian Sensation and it shows 3G once and a while. There is this one area I notice it switches from the H(4G) to 3G. I know TMO changed the H icon with a 4G one so maybe they removed the 3G one show it always shows 4G even if on 3G??

Ive seen it switch to 3g and its like not having internet. Speeds around 50-100 kbps . A friend with mt4g confirmed.
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~~Tito~~ said:
Its a lie. It just says 4G instead of 3G. Never 3G. Its a ploy to make you believe they have 4G everywhere.
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Tito, long time no see!
LOL, true that t-Mob is trying to brainwash the XDA gang

DeezNotes said:
Yesterday I saw it just said "G". Phone was slow as ****. I love this thing.
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You were on a regular GSM connection, those are old and slow. Not your phones fault, it was basically trying to use data over a rotary phone.

Is your device from tmobile?

Difference between H and H+

Just want to ask, what is the difference between H and H+ on Inspire 4G..
H = 3G?
H+ = 4G??
cheers

Yes. The ITU classifies HSPA+ as a 4G technology even though it will never hit their own definition of 4G speed. Wikipedia has a great article about the different 4G technologies. Would post a link if I weren't mobile.
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limx said:
Just want to ask, what is the difference between H and H+ on Inspire 4G..
H = 3G?
H+ = 4G??
cheers
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there is no difference for this phone. In other countries they don't have this magical H+ that AT&T thinks they need to fool their customers with and call it 4g
H and H+ are essentially the same thing when it comes to this phone and Roms. Roms that originate from desire hd land will indicate your 'H+' connection with a simple 'H'

limx said:
Just want to ask, what is the difference between H and H+ on Inspire 4G..
H = 3G?
H+ = 4G??
cheers
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Yea if you're talking about the icon, you can't really rely on that. Currently ATT has a 3G network which is UMTS. They improved this network a few years ago and were able to push faster speeds and deemed this their HSDPA network, widely referred to as 3.5G. They've just started rolling out their new network, HSPA+, which, like biglittlegato said, is technically a 4G technology. Now they're about to start rolling out LTE, which is also a 4G technology, but capable of faster speeds then HSPA+
But again, different chefs use different network indicators, as do different bases that ROMs are built off of, for the different networks. If you want to know what network you're actually connected to -
Settings - About Phone - Network and look at Mobile Network Type

Pirateghost said:
there is no difference for this phone. In other countries they don't have this magical H+ that AT&T thinks they need to fool their customers with and call it 4g
H and H+ are essentially the same thing when it comes to this phone and Roms. Roms that originate from desire hd land will indicate your 'H+' connection with a simple 'H'
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+1 on using it to fool customers ...but I do have to admit, I get that warm fuzzy feeling when I see the H+ hahaha.
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cwhitney24 said:
+1 on using it to fool customers ...but I do have to admit, I get that warm fuzzy feeling when I see the H+ hahaha.
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Ok, its a long story, but for a while I didn't have a data plan activated on my work phone (the Inspire) all of the sudden it is on, I now get the "H" with CM7 Nightly #179.
So I ran speed test on the Inspire and my OG Droid (VZW 3G), here's some interesting results
So the Inspire (H) got 264ms Ping, 3584kbps d/l, 1679kbps u/l
OG D1 (3G) 228ms, 0.10Mbps d/l, 0.33Mbps u/l
I haven't traveled much since I just got data, but two questions, does anyone know if CM7 shows H+? 2nd, if not, what ROM's may actually goto 4G?

Ronin3178 said:
I haven't traveled much since I just got data, but two questions, does anyone know if CM7 shows H+? 2nd, if not, what ROM's may actually goto 4G?
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no CM7 does not show H+
and i dont understand why its so hard to comprehend. the symbol means literally nothing. there is no secret 4G network that only the inspire can access. its the same network its been for years. its an icon. it means literally nothing. they all get "4G"
im going to say it again, because this question comes up all the damn time.
THE H/H+ ICON MEANS NOTHING

Pirateghost said:
THE H/H+ ICON MEANS NOTHING
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+1 Well stated..!
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Pirateghost said:
no CM7 does not show H+
and i dont understand why its so hard to comprehend. the symbol means literally nothing. there is no secret 4G network that only the inspire can access. its the same network its been for years. its an icon. it means literally nothing. they all get "4G"
im going to say it again, because this question comes up all the damn time.
THE H/H+ ICON MEANS NOTHING
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Agreed it really doesnt and I have started a thread to maybe put this to rest once and for all. HERE

Pirateghost said:
no CM7 does not show H+
and i dont understand why its so hard to comprehend. the symbol means literally nothing. there is no secret 4G network that only the inspire can access. its the same network its been for years. its an icon. it means literally nothing. they all get "4G"
im going to say it again, because this question comes up all the damn time.
THE H/H+ ICON MEANS NOTHING
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Thanks, part of my confusion may have been b/c because my D1 showed in Mbps, while the Inspire showed in kbps. Call it a brain fart, even though the speedometer showed properly during the test how much faster the inspire was, it threw me for a loop.
Since I never had data service with the stock I only had the user's manual to go off of, it shows H+ but no H.
That may be the cause the confusion for most too.
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OP: I see you are running Android Revolution. I've noticed that it doesn't display H+ whereas the stock rom does show H+. I just rooted and installed ARHD and was thrown off by the plain "H".

[Q] why does my t mobile sensations internet say wcdma

The top icon says "4g" yet in my internet settings it says wcdma not hspa or anything like that. Does this mean it isn't 4g??

I'm assuming you are looking under Mobile Network Setting > Network Mode. If that is in fact what your are referring to, then you have nothing to worry about. What you are seeing in the type of connection the phone is using to connect to the network. GSM is the network T-Mobile and AT&T uses (SIM card), and CDMA is what Verizon and Sprint uses (old technology). If you are getting the 4G icon on your status bar, then you are connected at 4G speeds.
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Thank you, question tho i'm always either on 4g or edge, why? I love the 4g speeds but why no 3g? I never see the icon read 3g?
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same here always 4g or edge. No 3g
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From time to time you may see G (3G), or the slowest speed 2G (Edge), and this just means the signal is fluctuating from the available connection speeds in your area, this is normal. You will never just get 4G all the time, it will go in and out. Your phones are doing what they are supposed to do. And be aware some areas have no 4G at all.
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the reason why you are not seeing 3g is cause the 3g icon has been replaced by 4g. cause technically there is no 4g yet. its a marketing ploy to get more people to buy new phones. dont get me wrong cause its not really 3g you are connected to its more like 3.5g.

SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
From time to time you may see G (3G), or the slowest speed 2G (Edge),
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Have to correct you on this, G = GPRS, E = Edge (2G).

Divine flaw said:
the reason why you are not seeing 3g is cause the 3g icon has been replaced by 4g. cause technically there is no 4g yet. its a marketing ploy to get more people to buy new phones. dont get me wrong cause its not really 3g you are connected to its more like 3.5g.
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this guy is correct. if you really want to know what connection you have you can swap out the icons for your data connectivity or install Elixir & look at what it says there. If you're connected to 3G it'll say UTMS & it'll say HSPA for 4G/HSPA

Divine flaw said:
the reason why you are not seeing 3g is cause the 3g icon has been replaced by 4g. cause technically there is no 4g yet. its a marketing ploy to get more people to buy new phones. dont get me wrong cause its not really 3g you are connected to its more like 3.5g.
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Damn I knew some **** like this was up. any idea when real 4g will be out
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nbochoa said:
Damn I knew some **** like this was up. any idea when real 4g will be out
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No one has finished deploying faux G networks and no real 4G phones are being sold. I imagine it will take 5-10 years for true 4G to be available in more than a few small markets. It just doesn't make financial sense for service providers to replace/upgrade equipment over and over again in a short timeframe.

So me having a sensation would mean what I have is the fastest I can get or would changing my ROM help me get the "42 mbps" t mobile claims to have.
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mike_ekim said:
No one has finished deploying faux G networks and no real 4G phones are being sold. I imagine it will take 5-10 years for true 4G to be available in more than a few small markets. It just doesn't make financial sense for service providers to replace/upgrade equipment over and over again in a short timeframe.
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I dunno, one could say LTE is 4G.

lianw said:
I dunno, one could say LTE is 4G.
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So the Verizon lte is faster than hspa+
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nbochoa said:
So the Verizon lte is faster than hspa+
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Higher theoretical higher throughput performance. Real-world results are of course, different.
It all depends on the area (population density, etc) as well as the quality of the network infrastructure.
Here are some results:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/4G-s...e-holds-the-fort-in-smartphone-speeds_id17405
nbochoa said:
So me having a sensation would mean what I have is the fastest I can get or would changing my ROM help me get the "42 mbps" t mobile claims to have.
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The Sensation is not capable of achieving that speed. It's a hardware limitation, not software.
It's quasi-impossible to obtain the full theoretical maximum speed a network provider advertises.

nbochoa said:
So me having a sensation would mean what I have is the fastest I can get or would changing my ROM help me get the "42 mbps" t mobile claims to have.
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Max "theoretical" speed is 14.4mb. Speeds vary by location.

I can't get above 2 or 3, MAYBE 4 mbps on a good day, not sure why. I got 3 or 4mbps regularly on my old mytouch 3g slide using the HSPA network, I figured HSPA+ would be faster, not slower, but I have yet to pinpoint my problem. I was expecting a good 5-8 at least, but oh well.
As for Verizon's LTE, it's still not technically 4G. 4G is TECHNICALLY required to have a theoretical maximum output of 1 GBPS, of course, nothing would be able to achieve that initially, but that is the required theoretical maximum for 4G specifications. But there's nothing they can do about companies claiming 4G. Although what can they really do, they've already sucked the 3G term dry, and it's kind of a stupid marketing campaign to say 3.75G or HSPA+, it's easier for the vast majority of technologically incompetent Americans to understand if they just say 4G. But just wait for when the mass confusion ensues when real 4G does really get invented, then everyone's going to say "I thought that was 4G before! What's this 4G? We'll call it 5G!"
It'll be an endless cycle of marketing ploys.

Divine flaw said:
the reason why you are not seeing 3g is cause the 3g icon has been replaced by 4g. cause technically there is no 4g yet. its a marketing ploy to get more people to buy new phones. dont get me wrong cause its not really 3g you are connected to its more like 3.5g.
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Not entirely true, I do get a "G" symbol from time to time out her in San Diego when I am on the stock ROM, which "G" is 3G. There is a difference between the 3 bands, and 4G is much faster when you do get it.

SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
Not entirely true, I do get a "G" symbol from time to time out her in San Diego when I am on the stock ROM, which "G" is 3G. There is a difference between the 3 bands, and 4G is much faster when you do get it.
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Uh no, if you get just a G then you're on GPRS & that is slower than EDGE.
If you're on a stock Tmobile US ROM you will never see 3G since they disabled it from showing.

SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
Not entirely true, I do get a "G" symbol from time to time out her in San Diego when I am on the stock ROM, which "G" is 3G. There is a difference between the 3 bands, and 4G is much faster when you do get it.
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thats funny..... g =gprs not 3g. think of it as 1g. and yes i do get a g signal every time i head down to the dungeon at work and i cant for the life of me connect to the internet. even on my old phone which was an hd2 i would get a g signal if im down in the dungeon. but guess what that phone had a 3g icon and when im not in the dungeon i was connected to a 3g network cause my phone had that icon. if you are telling me this g signal is 3g than im sorry your wrong.

Why is a 4G phone getting 3G speeds

So on my phone It says 3G at the top. Sometimes. It says H. But I have miui Tom currently and probably forever? Most of the time when I wana download something from the market I have to pull down the drop down menu and turn off the data icon and turn it back on to refresh the data. Wait for a few seconds and let it work again. I have no problems texting and receiving them. Or browsing the internet. But for the market I'm having to refresh the data. Wondering if there is anything I could do
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the lack of an h or 4g is just indicating that you dont have a hspa connection which has more to do with your area than your phone. the infuse is a 3g device but t-mo started advertising the hspa+ as 4g and att followed. it still operates on the same network and technology as 3g but is faster. 4g is lte (which the infuse doesn't have.) or wimax i guess but that is crappy sprint 4g that is not faster than att 3g and is only deserving of the 4g title because it is literally there 4th generation data network, not because it is actually comperable.
in other countries h and h+ are refered to as 3.5g and/or 3g+ because it is not truely a new generation of network, just 3g made faster.
the market problem is probably do to it being a i9000 port. i dont know what the nature of the bug is but it shows on the i9000 roms and i havent run an aosp rom so i dont know if it is normal for miui or not.

Dani897 said:
the lack of an h or 4g is just indicating that you dont have a hspa connection which has more to do with your area than your phone. the infuse is a 3g device but t-mo started advertising the hspa+ as 4g and att followed. it still operates on the same network and technology as 3g but is faster. 4g is lte (which the infuse doesn't have.) or wimax i guess but that is crappy sprint 4g that is not faster than att 3g and is only deserving of the 4g title because it is literally there 4th generation data network, not because it is actually comperable.
in other countries h and h+ are refered to as 3.5g and/or 3g+ because it is not truely a new generation of network, just 3g made faster.
the market problem is probably do to it being a i9000 port. i dont know what the nature of the bug is but it shows on the i9000 roms and i havent run an aosp rom so i dont know if it is normal for miui or not.
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Ohh OK. So 4G doesn't mean 4G speeds. It means 4th generation. As in new. I always thought 4G meant speed 4 ghz or something of high speed data. Something to do with speed. Now that I think of it. G stands for Generation. Anyway thanks
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technokid said:
Ohh OK. So 4G doesn't mean 4G speeds. It means 4th generation. As in new. I always thought 4G meant speed 4 ghz or something of high speed data. Something to do with speed. Now that I think of it. G stands for Generation. Anyway thanks
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The speeds do get faster as the generations progresses, but actual 4g speeds were supposed to be 100mb lol that failed haha. Anyway the market problem happens to me too. If you search apns in CM7 or the MIUI forum there is a fix. I applied it before, and it worked. I am just too lazy to do it again because for me it is not that big of a pain lol.

You won't always have 4G speeds. It's more like 3G+ lol. HSPA+. Get it? Lol if you want 4G speeds for LTE
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Seriously? Another dumb post about phones not getting 4g. Some 4g phones have h and some have 3g icons. Read other threads and maybe you will learn something for once in your life.
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Ryanscool said:
The speeds do get faster as the generations progresses, but actual 4g speeds were supposed to be 100mb lol that failed haha. Anyway the market problem happens to me too. If you search apns in CM7 or the MIUI forum there is a fix. I applied it before, and it worked. I am just too lazy to do it again because for me it is not that big of a pain lol.
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Thanks I'll look That uhp
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I heard somewhere that MIUI doesn't support 4G the same as the stock ROM. When I used MIUI I got slower speeds than stock. Not significantly slower, but "meh" speeds. Otherwise there isn't much of a difference, it only switched to actual "4G" when you're downloading something anyway..